Game 2014.157: White Sox at Tigers

Apologies to Torii Hunter, but last night looked like Septaugust baseball.

Kyle Lobstein continues to be a very promising rookie: he made one mistake, but rebounded with composure and pitched 7 strong innings, after which Joba Chamberlain pitched a good 8th, and Soria came on looking like a closer in the 9th. Unfortunately, rookie Chris “Cy” Bassitt hounded the Tiger bats into submission, and Detroit failed to put up even a single run against him or the 2nd worst bullpen in the league. (The Twin pitching staff and bullpen are even worse, but we saw what Ricky Nolasco was able to do to the Tigers last week).

So far The Lobster has started 5 games, with a 3.38 ERA, and a 1.154 WHIP, which puts him here:

  1. 1.096 Anibal Sanchez
  2. 1.154 Kyle Lobstein
  3. 1.166 Max Scherzer
  4. 1.209 Rick Porcello
  5. 1.216 David Price (as a Tiger)
  6. 1.348 Drew Smyly (as a Tiger)
  7. 1.419 Justin Verlander

Speaking of Price, there is some concern that he will get bombed again tonight. Here is what happened his last 6 starts:

8/21  0 earned runs

8/27  8 earned runs

9/01  1 earned run

9/06  5 earned runs

9/12  1 earned run

9/17  5 earned runs

You see where I’m going with this. It’s Jekyll time, we should have a good start to look forward to.

90 Comments

  1. Only Tiger Fan in Mississippi

    September 23, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Thanks for the good write up Coleman. If we follow your above ERA data it trends for Price to give up 0.67 runs tonight (an every other game thing). Perhaps more important, can the Tigers bats provide him with at least one run tonight? JD has proved he can hit Carroll so I am putting the onus on him. Meanwhile my pick to shine is Mr. Sep-tober Hunter!

    • Coleman

      September 23, 2014 at 5:11 pm

      It doesn’t really make any sense. But as I learned many years ago when I followed horse racing, when you notice a pattern, you are a fool to just ignore it.

    • Coleman

      September 23, 2014 at 5:16 pm

      Also, Price could give up 0 or 1 run, but there’s still the bullpen.

      • Only Tiger Fan in Mississippi

        September 23, 2014 at 5:48 pm

        There are three types of ways to determine probability; classical, empirical, and subjective approaches. Baseball, and most on this website, deal mainly with empirical evidence to infer what will happen in the future. Leyland earned his spurs when he subjectively went out on a limb to put somebody in the line on a warm and fuzzy.

        • Coleman

          September 23, 2014 at 5:58 pm

          So…we’re missing the classical? I think that’s it. We need more oboe!

          • StorminNorman$

            September 23, 2014 at 6:10 pm

            …more oboe? …i’m going to say no, but more cowbell, yes!

            • Coleman

              September 23, 2014 at 6:13 pm

              Oboe is vastly underrated. But oboe + cowbell? Yeah, that’s a win.

              • StorminNorman$

                September 23, 2014 at 6:26 pm

                https://screen.yahoo.com/more-cowbell-174128899.html – an SNL classic – especially w/Walken’s not so subtle reading of the cue cards

              • Vince in MN

                September 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm

                Don’t the Angels have an outfielder by the name of Cowbell?

              • StorminNorman$

                September 23, 2014 at 9:32 pm

                Cowgill actually – LAA

        • Coleman

          September 23, 2014 at 6:07 pm

          Probability works best over large sample sizes. Leyland was actually pretty good at doing the “”yeah, but” thing with his substitutions, especially in 2006. Maybe it was random luck, but until the World Series he was always putting the right guy in the right place at the right time.

          • Smoking Loon

            September 23, 2014 at 7:05 pm

            Big fan of the oboe.

            I could be wrong, but it seems to me that John Bonham completely eschewed the cowbell. Odd. Name a Zeppelin song with cowbell. Maybe I’m forgetting something.

            It’s funny that the song in the SNL bit that made “More cowbell” famous is an example of outstandingly lame and needless use of a cowbell. But of course that was probably the point.

            It’s too bad Corey Knebel is gone. He would have come in handy for “More Knebel!” Kinda close…

            • StorminNorman$

              September 23, 2014 at 10:36 pm

              Loon…for the record, “Moby Dick” off Zeppelin II = cowbell

              • Smoking Loon

                September 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm

                Ah, that’s right. I was thinking about various rock song cowbell parts (favorite is “We’re An American Band”) and how those simple quarter-notes can add so much to a heavy drum part… started thinking Bonham = heavy drum part, and was surprised to draw a blank on a Led Zep cowbell tune. I stand corrected. There might even be more. I have it all, I should know, but I don’t listen as much as I used to. Memory fails me.

              • Coleman

                September 23, 2014 at 11:06 pm

                Ever seen a video of the live version where he tosses the sticks and plays half the solo with his bare hands?

              • StorminNorman$

                September 24, 2014 at 12:43 pm

                I’ve seen that video – hence the nickname “Bonzo”.

                Coincidentally 34 years ago today, Bonham plowed through over a quart of vodka (and whatever else), went to bed and never woke up again. I was planning on going to see them at the Joe (DET) at the end of Oct ’80 – in a US “In through the out door” tour, that never happened.

              • Coleman

                September 24, 2014 at 1:50 pm

                Ah, I didn’t realize this was the anniversary, just one of those coincidences. Your story reminds me that I had tickets to see Joy Division in Detroit in 1980; obviously they never made it. And of course I exchanged my ticket, which would be a collector’s item now.

              • StorminNorman$

                September 24, 2014 at 2:00 pm

                Coleman: the movie “24 hour party people” is a comedy that touches on the beginnings of Joy Division and what evolved (New Order) – good flick starring Steve Coogan…

  2. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    speaking of dbags
    http://www.csnphilly.com/baseb.....um=twitter
    “The Phillies shopped Papelbon to the Tigers but Detroit wasn’t interested due to concerns that Papelbon wouldn’t be a fit in the team’s clubhouse.”

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      Maybe the clubhouse is really small.

  3. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    2nite’s lineup – against RHP Scott “cy” Carroll 5.10 ERA 5-10 record
    1. 2B Ian Kinsler
    2. RF Torii Hunter
    3. 1B Miguel Cabrera
    4. DH Victor Martinez
    5. LF J.D. Martinez
    6. 3B Nick Castellanos
    7. C Alex Avila
    8. SS Eugenio Suarez
    9. CF Rajai Davis

    I guess since Carroll is a RHP is why Avila’s back in the lineup

    • Coleman

      September 23, 2014 at 6:39 pm

      No, it’s because Avila’s moping about his lack of sombrero.

      • Only Tiger Fan in Mississippi

        September 23, 2014 at 6:49 pm

        Give him a cowbell!

        • Coleman

          September 23, 2014 at 6:51 pm

          Actually, he’s a bit of a human cowbell.

  4. Kevin at another wedding

    September 23, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    Great discussion gents, good start. Let’s go Tigers!

  5. jud

    September 23, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    How bad are things when your best hope is you #1 competition losing because you can’t beat the worst two teams in your division???

  6. Coleman

    September 23, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    I thought Cy Young pitched last night, what’s going on?

    • StorminNorman$

      September 23, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      going into today’s game hitters were batting about .300 against the CWS ace Carroll…

  7. Smoking Loon

    September 23, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    Looking for the Tigers game. Dan & Jim are covering some other game tonight. Anyone?

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 8:33 pm

      J.D. does it all! Hey, he used to play for the Tigers.

  8. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    KC TCB up 5-0

  9. T Smith

    September 23, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    KC is now officially on fire

    CLE has officially given up

    DET is still 0-way-to-many with RISP

  10. TigerfaninCA

    September 23, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    will someone (besides an Angel fan) tell me why Trout deserves the AL MVP award?

    • Only Tiger Fan in Mississippi

      September 23, 2014 at 8:48 pm

      He has the support of the west coast press?

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 8:50 pm

      Being the best player on the best team in the AL might be a factor. Not that the MVP award means anything in particular to me.

      • Vince in MN

        September 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm

        Give it to him this year already, just so we don’t have to hear about it anymore.

        • Smoking Loon

          September 23, 2014 at 10:56 pm

          Ha. I agree.

  11. jud

    September 23, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    In the past 5-6 years I have watched Miggy bat at least 1500 times on TV..that at bat is the difference in him since last Aug. Two hanging breaking balls right down the middle. He fouled one off and swung and missed the other….he never did that prior to the core injury at the end of last year. He hit those mistakes a country mile..he is just not the same…

  12. Smoking Loon

    September 23, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    I don’t feel like the Tigers have the lead. It feels like they’ve been behind all evening. Price notwithstanding.

  13. Smoking Loon

    September 23, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    This is weird. This series is weird. If decent offspeed stuff was all it took to shut down Detroit, wouldn’t the league have figured that out about 100 games ago?

  14. Only Tiger Fan in Mississippi

    September 23, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    How about a Tyler Collins pinch hit for Avila?

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 9:14 pm

      I don’t think anything will help. Time to relax and enjoy David Price’s complete game shutout. Forget about the offense. They have.

  15. jud

    September 23, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    1 run in 16 innings against two pitchers that couldn’t make the Lakeland Tiger team!

  16. jud

    September 23, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    If Avila was any slower Lamont could beat him to second. Even though it was a bad bunt

  17. jud

    September 23, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    Nice baserunning to get to third by Romine got us a run

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 10:39 pm

      True. Proved to be a big run in the end, too. I hope he gets every start at SS from here on out. Even if that means he will have to reach base to be on base.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 23, 2014 at 10:39 pm

        Can’t forget about Rajai’s one-man run, either.

  18. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    BFT!!

    now my concern suddenly shifts from offense to the anxiety of the 9th inning (Nathan)

    Price 84 pitches through 7 – I’m hoping for a smooth 8th, then back out for the CG

  19. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    …hope they don’t regret the run Cabrera should have brought in during that AB

  20. jud

    September 23, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Miggy just ain’t right this whole year..he has his streaks but he ain’t right!

  21. Vince in MN

    September 23, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    Both CLE and SEA getting hammered tonight. Looks like the wild card teams will be DET/KC and OAK. What are the odds the Tigers and Royals will have to play a 1 game playoff for the division title?

    • tbran

      September 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm

      What are the odds? The way things are going this week — high.

      Signed,

      Cptn. Obvious

  22. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    unfreakin believable!

  23. PHToy in HK

    September 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    I am stunned!

    • PHToy in HK

      September 23, 2014 at 10:16 pm

      What a surprise, Sloppy Joe Blow walks the first batter he faces.

  24. Vince in MN

    September 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    The longer the season goes on, the dumber Ausmus gets.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 10:13 pm

      What’s dumb?

      • Vince in MN

        September 23, 2014 at 10:17 pm

        Leaving in Price too long. Just like leaving Porcello in too long the other night. This is a pattern with him and his Aces.

        • StorminNorman$

          September 23, 2014 at 10:21 pm

          I think it has more to do with the options (or lack thereof) coming out of the bullpen

          if DET had a bullpen similar to KC, Price would have been pulled after the leadoff guy got on in the 9th

          • Vince in MN

            September 23, 2014 at 10:25 pm

            When your starter is throwing BP, you have to pull him. Even with an iffy bullpen your chances are better. And why not Nathan after the Garcia hit; or Soria. Oh wait, I forgot, he got wasted in yesterday’s loss.

            • Smoking Loon

              September 23, 2014 at 10:31 pm

              I have to disagree that leaving Price in was dumb. Price did not stand and deliver. That simple. Fortunately, Cabrera (and Kinsler and Hunter) did.

              • jud

                September 23, 2014 at 10:36 pm

                You want Price or Nathan throwing the 9th. I go with Price. Good decision…just didn’t work.

              • Smoking Loon

                September 23, 2014 at 10:40 pm

                Yup.

  25. Smoking Loon

    September 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Wow, look how wrong you can be. All of us would have howled if Price hadn’t come out for the 9th… or stayed in there.

    Don’t blow this, Joe.

  26. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    …so I guess Nathan will get to do “his thing” afterall

    …sad

  27. T Smith

    September 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    What are the odds Nathan holds the go-ahead run on 3rd?

    • StorminNorman$

      September 23, 2014 at 10:13 pm

      slim, very slim

  28. Kevin in Dallas

    September 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Nathan is gonna step up when we need him, and the bats will bail Price out in the bottom of the 9th. Price gave it his all, if we had more confidence in Nathan this wouldn’t have come to pass.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 10:15 pm

      Aye.

      Oh. Hmmm.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 23, 2014 at 10:18 pm

        OK. #DoItForTheRotation. It’s Septober.

        Excelsior! Veni, vidi, vici! Croatoan!

    • mcb

      September 23, 2014 at 10:23 pm

      If there is no confidence in Nathan then use Soria. We gave a lot up for him and he is the invisible man.

      • StorminNorman$

        September 23, 2014 at 10:25 pm

        unfortunately ‘the confidence’ for Soria is only slightly higher than Nathan… but at least its on the upswing

    • StorminNorman$

      September 23, 2014 at 10:28 pm

      you nailed it Kevin!

      my optimism was in the gutter when Nathan appeared

      • Smoking Loon

        September 23, 2014 at 10:45 pm

        Good point by mcb about Soria the Invisible Man.

    • T Smith

      September 23, 2014 at 11:04 pm

      +1

  29. StorminNorman$

    September 23, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    Cabrera has a shot at redemption… after K’ing w/runners on 2nd and 3rd and one out in the 7th

  30. tbran

    September 23, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    It’s Miggy time!

    • tbran

      September 23, 2014 at 10:27 pm

      Thank you Mr. Miggy!!

  31. Smoking Loon

    September 23, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    About time! Phew!

  32. Only Tiger Fan in Mississippi

    September 23, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    3-0, 4-3, or 7-1….a win is a win

  33. PHToy in HK

    September 23, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    What a roller-coaster. Credit to KiD for calling the end of the game!

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 10:42 pm

      +1

  34. jud

    September 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    Cleveland with everything to lose can’t score in two days and the SUX play like its the frickin World Series!….

    • StorminNorman$

      September 23, 2014 at 10:47 pm

      …this ‘is’ their (CWS) WS, and DET appears content on making it an exciting one for them

      …and DET will also be working another team’s WS this Thurs – Sun …and let’s hope DET is not so accommodating in those 4 games with the Twinkies

  35. Smoking Loon

    September 23, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    Don’t worry, Coleman. “Hounded” did not go unnoticed.

    • Coleman

      September 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm

      Oh, I never worry. There are things that are their own rewards.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 23, 2014 at 11:04 pm

        That’s the spirit.

        Kevin, hire this man.

  36. Jason

    September 23, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    In the end, Nathan recorded one more out than Petricka.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 23, 2014 at 11:05 pm

      Nomination for post of the game.

      • Kevin in Dallas

        September 23, 2014 at 11:56 pm

        Second.