Game 2014.137: Tigers at Indians

David Price Tigers

Well here we go, it’s September Baseball, we’ve got the useful or not-so-useful bits up from Toledo, got the guys all inspired (or not so much?) after a talking to by Mr. Ausmus, and we’ve got a whole lot of AL Central between here and October.

Cleveland has been the hot team in the Central of late, slowing down the previously hot Royals–almost, kind of, sweeping them (1/2 inning to go), and pulling to within 3.5 games of the division lead. Didn’t we see this movie last year?

David Price takes the reins this afternoon. We all remember what he did last time out, but also what he did the time before that. He’ll have his work cut out against Cy Kluber.

Despite speculation to the contrary, Cabrera is in the lineup–”resting” at DH. (Insert standard complaint).

Just to summarize the call-ups:

  • James McCann C
  • Steven Moya (L) RF
  • Tyler Collins (L) LF
  • Hernan Perez SS
  • Kyle Lobstein (L) P
  • Kyle Ryan (L) P
  • Robby Ray (L) P

Ausmus announced that Lobstein is the 5th starter right now, and will start tomorrow’s game.

Today’s Laboring Lineup:

  1. Kinsler, 2B
  2. Hunter, RF
  3. Cabrera, DH
  4. V Martinez, 1B
  5. JD Martinez, LF
  6. Castellanos, 3B
  7. Avila, C
  8. Suarez, SS
  9. Carrera, CF

61 Comments

  1. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Man, what a relief that Miggy is in good shape again after extended rest. This *is* Game 151, right? Oh. I’m early? Well, I’m sure everything will be fine.

    • Coleman

      September 1, 2014 at 4:18 pm

      Cabrera 15-for 28 (.536) vs. Kluber with 3 HRs.

      • Coleman

        September 1, 2014 at 4:19 pm

        Make that 16-for-29!! Shows what I know.

        • Smoking Loon

          September 1, 2014 at 4:27 pm

          Yeah, you were way off. Guess Miggy didn’t need the ankle for that one. Which raises the question…

  2. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Record in games without hitting a HR:

    KCR 30-46 .395
    DET 19-35 .352
    CLE 13-33 .283

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 4:05 pm

      Record in games vs. “fair or better” opposing start:*

      KCR 38-55
      DET 36-56
      CLE 36-59

      *BBREF GameScore >41, not necessarily QS

      • Smoking Loon

        September 1, 2014 at 4:13 pm

        Record in games allowing Reached On Error:

        CLE 27-24
        KCR 18-19
        DET 18-22

        Ha. Go figure.

        On the basis of all this heavy research, I conclude that the Tigers have a 51% chance of winning this series.

        • StorminNorman$

          September 1, 2014 at 4:51 pm

          Lloyd could be Mgr of the Year…if SEA makes grabs that 2nd wild card spot

  3. Jim EggersUSMC

    September 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    A good defense ( that includes pitching) coupled with timely (“clutch”) hitting will win you some ball games..

    Astros fire Porter, leaving Lloyd and Rick Renteria as only managers of color in MLB

  4. Coleman

    September 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    I see they packed the big floppy shoes for Cleveland.

  5. Kevin in Dallas

    September 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    The defensive jokes start again early.

    • Coleman

      September 1, 2014 at 4:37 pm

      No way that should have been scored as a double. (It’s worth noting though that Santana drilled that pitch; I’d stay away from him the rest of the day).

      • Smoking Loon

        September 1, 2014 at 4:56 pm

        They’l never score something like that as an error, but yeah. You expect a bit more than just getting there.

  6. StorminNorman$

    September 1, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    I agree…E8…clown show continues… and then Carrera follows that up w/a GIDP

    Carrera didn’t even need to jump, he could have taken one step back and reached up and made an easy catch… Little League teaches you to get to the wall first…

  7. StorminNorman$

    September 1, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    Kluber should know Cabrera is having trouble catching up with fastballs and he’s chasing outside curve balls – so he serves Cabrera up an inside hanger… thanks.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 5:01 pm

      Yeah, I was wondering how Miggy couldn’t have been doing a little more of this over the past couple months. That looked easy. We’ll see how it goes next time against Kluber. Won’t be getting anything at all inside, you’d think. Or not on purpose.

  8. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Well, some defense going on. Hunter getting it in quickly, then Kinsler.

  9. Kevin in Dallas

    September 1, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    So Cle was up 4-2 when they called the game last night, most likely will be another KC loss. Cle is the hot team now. This thing is setting up nicely for Det to get hot and take the division, except for the whole “getting hot” problem.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 5:03 pm

      Yeah. Not seeing any latent hotness here.

  10. StorminNorman$

    September 1, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    I’ll miss the remainder of this for a family function …the glory and/or frustration are all yours guys

    • StorminNorman$

      September 1, 2014 at 5:15 pm

      OK I stayed to see CLE give DET 3 runs after blowing Cabrera’s (what shoulda been a) flyout…reverse clown-show…for a change

  11. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    Uh-oh, Indians allow a ROE. They’re going to win (See above.)

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      Well… now Cleveland is tempting fate.

  12. Kevin in Dallas

    September 1, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    VMart goes yard on an 0-2 count. Wow.

  13. jud

    September 1, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    Whouda thunk this would all happen!!!…keep frickin hitting them!!!

  14. Coleman

    September 1, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    And now JD “Swing at Anything” Martinez!

  15. jud

    September 1, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    Wait he hasn’t thrown 100 pitches nor given up 10.yet. Asmus is looking this up to see if its legal to take him out!!

  16. Bill

    September 1, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    This game shows the difference between Francona and ausmus. Ausmus will leave his starters in till they get at least 100 pitches. Francona went and got his. lets him rest up and try it again next time

    • Kevin in Dallas

      September 1, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      I think Francona is willing to concede the game to Price. And he has a normal bullpen too. That helps.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 5:34 pm

      Francona also started Mike Aviles in RF.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm

        Francona also has McAllister in his pocket. Tigers don’t quite have that kind of long relief option.

    • jud

      September 1, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      I agree 100%..of all the things I don’t like about Asmus this is my #1 peeve…you do not leave your good starting pitchets out there to get their brains beat in..especially to save your piece of crap bullpen. A good manager like Francona gets him out of there. But of course Asmus has never developed a long man so he wouldn’t know who to bring in. He would use 6 more pitchers, which is another thing I don’t like…..I just hope this series doesn’t get down to coaching.

  17. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Back to reality with Miggy striking out low and away. Oh well.

  18. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    Indians looked a lot more dangerous last time I saw them.

    Hey, Kluber got a strikethrough on his “Cy.” Nice touch.

  19. jud

    September 1, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    Some darn good pitching from Price right there…He is learning that to be successful in Detroit you cannot let the ball get hit anywhere in the Tiger outfield, including to them…after first and second no outs he really didn’t throw a hittable pitch!…nice work!

  20. tbran

    September 1, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    This guy Carerra is a one man clown show.

  21. tbran

    September 1, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    Wow! Where did that one come from?

  22. Jim EggersUSMC

    September 1, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    Miggy get a shot in that balky ankle? He is en fuego today!

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 7:44 pm

      Opposite field HR! He’s been holding out on us.

  23. jud

    September 1, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Ok so the obvious question is …if Miggy is fine where has he been for 6 weeks???????

  24. Vince in MN

    September 1, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Miggy closing in on the 20-2 Club.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 7:44 pm

      It’s a pretty exclusive one.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 1, 2014 at 7:53 pm

        Abreu, Carter, Encarnacion, and Davis. That’s it for all of MLB.

  25. Vince in MN

    September 1, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    Perez, Moya and Collins. Too bad they didn’t call them up yesterday, we could ditch Kelly, Romine and Carrera right now.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 7:46 pm

      That 9th inning was sweet. Collins is my guy, couldn’t be happier for him. So long, Andy Dirks.

  26. tbran

    September 1, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Is that Jason Giambi or the club house janitor?

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 7:45 pm

      Both.

  27. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Here’s some unexpectedly good news. Not that things like this are at all predictive, but the Tigers are 14-7 in games following wins with a 5+ margin. Some hedge against the idea that the Tigers can’t follow up one good game with another.

  28. Smoking Loon

    September 1, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/k2wplw6

    Giants-Rockies complete game suspended May 22. Funny (see last bit).

  29. Coleman

    September 1, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Now we just need Texas to beat Kansas City and…oh wait, never mind, Colby Lewis.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 1, 2014 at 10:08 pm

      The Royals had better not bunt with a 4-3 lead.

  30. Only Tiger Fan in Mississippi

    September 1, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Geaux Rangers!

  31. PHToy in HK

    September 1, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    Great game today. It is always nice to wake up and see the Tigers are up 7-1, take a shower and find the lead has been stretched to 9-1 and then take the elevator downstairs and see that they won 12-1!

    Can someone try to explain “wins above replacement” to me? In Kurt Mensching’s recent love letter to Jose Iglesias he laments that the Tigers have the worst WAR for the shortstop position in the majors at -0.4, and that only 2 other teams are “worse than replacement level”, Boston at 0.0 and Milwaukee at -0.1. How is this possible? Isn’t the “average” player supposed to be a 0? Sounds like grade inflation to me if 27 out or 30 teams have above average players at a position!

    • Kevin in Dallas

      September 2, 2014 at 2:53 pm

      Excellent question. I’m waiting for someone smart to respond.

      • Coleman

        September 2, 2014 at 3:47 pm

        I forwarded your request to Ol’ Smarty.

    • Coleman

      September 2, 2014 at 3:52 pm

      Actually it would be pretty easy to add all WARs, which should add up to 0, if I’m correctly understanding “replacement level” I might try that someday.. Then again, maybe the average player is actually above average.

    • Vince in MN

      September 2, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      Isn’t a “replacement player” basically a AAA level performer? How the sabremetricians establish a value for that I don’t know (I assume it is less than 0). You could say that Suarez is our AAA replacement player at the SS position I guess. If so, I am not too disappointed, but as for Romine, Worth and Gonzalez, they must be well below “replacement level”. Beyond the basics I’m mathematically challenged, so that is my neophyte understanding, but for those of you who like to crunch numbers:
      http://www.fangraphs.com/library/misc/war/

      If somebody figures it out and can explain it in English rather than an equation, let me know.

  32. StorminNorman$

    September 2, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    in Lobstein’s last 6 IN (4 H, 1 ER) outing against NYY, he only had one swing and miss – w/the way DET has been playing defense lately, let’s hope CLE has a lot more whiffs than one

    • Vince in MN

      September 2, 2014 at 4:49 pm

      This is why we need strikeout pitchers. The more balls put in play, the more hits (25% or so) and inevitably the more runs. Factor in our No. 29 defense and it is clear that a ball in play is a liability.

  33. Vince in MN

    September 2, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    WordPress won’t let me post the link, but go to Lee Panas’ Tiger Tales site for an interesting stat comparison between Tigers and Royals.

  34. StorminNorman$

    September 2, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ngs-5.html

    DET has two of the top 6 most coveted free agents; I tend to believe that neither of them (Scherzer & VMart) will be back in DET next year

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