Game 2013.140: Tigers at Red Sox

81-58, 1st place, when do magic numbers become a thing?

I’m up against the clock today, friends, so just a quick intro to get the discussion going.

You don’t see too many 0-4 nights for Cabrera, makes me wonder if he was really okay. He’s out again today, and now I really wish that he had sat yesterday.

Jason Beck did a whole post on yesterday’s Pena out at the plate; gist of it is that Leyland blindly supports his coaches, even when his coaches admit that they are wrong. We’ve discussed this before. This looks bad from the outside, but it’s part of the reason why players and staff are so unwavering in their admiration for Leyland. And he’s winning, so I’m okay with it.

Today’s Can We Win a Playoff Game Without Miggy* Lineup Is:

1. Jackson, CF
2. Hunter, RF
3. Fielder, 1B
4. Martinez, DH
5. Dirks, LF
6. Kelly, 3B
7. Infante, 2B
8. Avila, C
9. Iglesias, SS

*Tigers are 10-2 without Miggy this year

76 Comments

  1. StorminNorman$

    September 4, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    with Cabrera sitting tonight, i’d give Castellanos a shot at 3B… and yes, I know JL said he wouldn’t play him at 3B…and Dempster is a righty (hence lefty Kelly)

    • Vince in MN

      September 4, 2013 at 5:22 pm

      Castellanos is not going to play 3B – ever.

  2. StorminNorman$

    September 4, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    BOS has won 7 of the last 8 Dempster started, even though he’s been fairly mediocre in those games.

    In 4 career games against Porcello, BOS is batting .377 against him (ERA = 9.00); DET will need to go ‘Dempster diving’ to provide the run support necessary for a W.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 6:56 pm

      Take heart. Lester’s numbers against the Tigers were horrible, too.

      • StorminNorman$

        September 4, 2013 at 9:40 pm

        unfortunately history repeated itself, and Porcello’s (9.00) ERA against BOS actually got worse

        • Smoking Loon

          September 4, 2013 at 10:46 pm

          Yeah. Wasn’t pretty, in the end. Done in by the long ball.

  3. TIGERS RULE

    September 4, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Had the team brain trust dealt with Miggy’s injury(s) properly he would be ready and 100% good to go for the playoffs. They have squeezed the lemon too hard and I doubt he will be anything but gimpy at the best when the playoffs roll around.

    • Vince in MN

      September 4, 2013 at 6:39 pm

      Individual player records are important for the brain trust too, since some of the gilt rubs off on them.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm

        Miggy wasn’t willing to sit and it would have been a tough choice even if had been. The worry here subsided when he was hitting 11 HR in 20 games. The worry will again subside, I imagine, any time Cabrera is hitting well. But the situation remains the same and will for the rest of this season, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this all crops up again next season. He’s been gimpy for two months.

        Miggy’s been squeezing his own lemon. We’d all do the same, given the same lemon. No turning back now.

        • TIGERS RULE

          September 4, 2013 at 7:23 pm

          You’re right “no turning back now”. All we can do is see how everything shakes out.

      • TIGERS RULE

        September 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm

        Allowing Miggy to play while injured is going to come back and bite management where the sun don’t shine …… and it looks like it is starting to happen already!

  4. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Avila is not very good at baseball right now.

    • StorminNorman$

      September 4, 2013 at 8:02 pm

      that could be the understatement of the evening

  5. StorminNorman$

    September 4, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    11 pitch AB, like VMart just had are brutal on one’s pitch count

  6. judpma

    September 4, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    the problem with the Avila thing is management will blame this season on the concussion even though he has been terrible since opening day..They will say we get him right physically and he will be the stud he never has been again….they will ignore the facts that he has less hits, runs, rbi, runners thrown out, than any starting catcher in baseball……but he does call a good game

    • StorminNorman$

      September 4, 2013 at 9:03 pm

      by “management”, I guess that would include Vice President, Assistant General Manager, Al Avila

  7. judpma

    September 4, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    hard to believe these two lineups have been shut out more than any other two teams in all of baseball

  8. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    Did I mention that Avila isn’t very good at baseball?

    • StorminNorman$

      September 4, 2013 at 9:13 pm

      yes, but it bears repeating… every couple innings

  9. judpma

    September 4, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Avila has one throw out steal attemot since the All Star break…I don’t recall it!!!

  10. judpma

    September 4, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    I think he has the final say….haha!..well what do you think dad…I mean Al

  11. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Avila had a VERY good season two years ago. But he appears to have Boesched.

    • Vince in MN

      September 4, 2013 at 9:20 pm

      Maybe he has been concussed longer than we think.

  12. Vince in MN

    September 4, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Got on late, what happened to Igles? Why is Porcello still pitching?

  13. StorminNorman$

    September 4, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Iglesias left the game with bilateral shin splints and is day-to-day

    …but meanwhile Avila says he “feels great”

    • Coleman

      September 4, 2013 at 9:19 pm

      Put him at shortstop.

    • Coleman

      September 4, 2013 at 9:49 pm

      If he really has shin splints he won’t recover until the offseason.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 4, 2013 at 9:56 pm

        I’m more worried about losing Iglesias than Cabrera. Maybe it’s just the “no warning” aspect.

  14. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Yeah, Alburquerque with the bases loaded, that should work.,,

    • Vince in MN

      September 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      We need to have a little talk with Mr. Leyland about handling the pitching staff out in a dark corner of the parking lot after the game.

  15. Vince in MN

    September 4, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Why is AlAl still pitching? I mean at all.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 9:45 pm

      Nearly as difficult to answer as “Why are we still watching?”

      • Vince in MN

        September 4, 2013 at 10:10 pm

        Train wrecks can be fascinating for some reason.

        • Smoking Loon

          September 4, 2013 at 10:38 pm

          Yup. I’m still watching this one.

  16. judpma

    September 4, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Al why didn’t u walk that first guy??? sheeesh!

  17. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Watching the replay, he knew what pitch was coming. Are we tipping pitches? Are they stealing signs? Or are our tendencies just too predictable?

    • Coleman

      September 4, 2013 at 9:34 pm

      OK “knew” is too strong a word. He was definitely looking for that pitch though.

  18. StorminNorman$

    September 4, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    that spiraled out of control in a hurry…beginning with JL bringing Porcello back to start the 6th inning…or leaving him in after he walked the Nava (leadoff)… and then bringing in ALBQ w/the bases loaded and nobody out?!?! …I mean c’mon!

  19. Smoking Loon

    September 4, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Hey, Alburquerque nearly struck out the side. He has “great stuff.” A “wicked slider.” So what if he allows 7 runs to score every now and then.

  20. judpma

    September 4, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    The bottom line guys, is the fact that the Tigers ARE in firs place DESPITE Capt Mumbles and his cronies….Not because of them!!!!

    • Jerry the Tiger Fan

      September 5, 2013 at 12:27 am

      Amen! Luis Pujols could mange this team to an AL Central title with all the talent on the roster plus the lack of talent on the other AL Central rosters in comparison. I totally agree that the Tigers win in spite of Ol’ Smoky and his band of blind third base coaches (Brookens and previously Lamont).

  21. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    This is definitely an NPR game (Not Playoff Ready).

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 9:51 pm

      It was nice to see Quintin Berry, though. I notice he scored from 1B on a double. Is that allowed?

  22. Smoking Loon

    September 4, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Porcello, it seems to me, consistently looks and pitches tired by the 6th inning. Odd for a young guy.

  23. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    I have heard rumors that teams can score a lot at Fenway.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      Hearsay.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 4, 2013 at 10:02 pm

        This is actually a pitcher’s duel, and the Tigers are clearly much better tonight at throwing BP.

        • Smoking Loon

          September 4, 2013 at 10:03 pm

          Bondo! Gettin’ it done.

  24. Smoking Loon

    September 4, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Evan Reed’s warming up. Does this mean surrender?

  25. Vince in MN

    September 4, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Well one good thing is that this kind of game brings their pathagorean more into line.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 10:10 pm

      That was the plan. Leyland’s no fool. He knows the value of an in-line Pythagorean.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 4, 2013 at 10:11 pm

        Is this better or worse than some of those games against the Angels?

        • Smoking Loon

          September 4, 2013 at 10:12 pm

          I mean, at least they have the excuse “vs. Red Sox at Fenway” here.

  26. Vince in MN

    September 4, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    I’d like to see the Red Sox try an on-side kick here, to see if they can run up the score. It could be useful for tie-break purposes at playoff time.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 10:18 pm

      The Red Sox need all the runs they can get, because I see the Tigers battling back into this one.

  27. Vince in MN

    September 4, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Lots of ballgame left.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 10:20 pm

      You bet. Martinez was robbed there. Dirks, too. The Red Sox luck is gonna run out. Tigers are on the cusp here.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 4, 2013 at 10:21 pm

        The tying run is at the plate…. 5 games from now.

      • Coleman

        September 4, 2013 at 10:21 pm

        Seems like they’re on something.

    • Coleman

      September 4, 2013 at 10:20 pm

      Yeah. #%^*!

  28. Coleman

    September 4, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Excellent time for a day off tomorrow.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 10:24 pm

      You said it. I’d hate to have to write a game post with this one fresh in memory.

  29. Smoking Loon

    September 4, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    How many home runs for Boston now? 10? I’ve lost count.

  30. Smoking Loon

    September 4, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    An out is recorded!

  31. Vince in MN

    September 4, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    I’m guessing 3 (maybe 4) of the guys pitching for the Tigers tonight won’t be back next year. And I’m not basing that on just this one outing, but let’s say tonight put an exclamation point on what I would describe as questionable value.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 11:04 pm

      Yes, exclamation point. All joking around aside, I’m disappointed to see bullpen guys get knocked around in situations like this. I’m watching to see them pitch as if the score didn’t matter, like it’s just another opportunity to excel. And when they do pitch well in a hopeless cause, I’m not less impressed by it. Bondo and Reed were just sad.

      • Vince in MN

        September 5, 2013 at 10:02 am

        Leyland to relief pitchers: “Let’s get this thing over and get outta here. Don’t worry about finessing ‘em, just throw fastballs”.
        Boston manager Farrell to Red Sox hitters: “They just want to get out of here. They’ll throw nothing but fastballs. Batting practice. Have fun”.

  32. Smoking Loon

    September 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    The headline:

    “Jim Leyland says Tom Brookens was wrong to question himself: ‘I thought it was a great call’”

    What would be funny is if Brookens admitted he was wrong to question himself…

    “Jim Leyland says Tom Brookens was wrong to question questioning himself: ‘I thought it was a great question’”

    Infinite possibilities here. It all ends with Brookens going to manage the Mud Hens and leaving us in peace, a happy ending indeed.

  33. judpma

    September 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Tigers were 1-4 RISP….I knew it would cost them someday…today…haha. they needed to be 22-25

  34. Kevin in Dallas

    September 4, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    It’s just one loss. Still gonna win the Central.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 4, 2013 at 11:39 pm

      It might not be the last time they face the Red Sox this year, either. If they need a little extra motivation then, maybe they should remember this game.

    • Coleman

      September 4, 2013 at 11:56 pm

      Yeah. Not very encouraging though as far as a playoff preview. And–partly because of this series–the majority of that playoff game will be in Fenway.

      The only really important issue from this game though is the status of Iglesias.

      • Coleman

        September 4, 2013 at 11:57 pm

        That should be “playoff series” above, not “playoff game.”

    • Jerry the Tiger Fan

      September 5, 2013 at 12:31 am

      Probably, but is amazing how drastically different a loss like this can make me feel about our chances to finally bring Ilitch a World Series title. I was encouraged to see the Tigers engage in playoff type baseball the last two nights at Fenway. After tonight those games seem as if they were played a month ago.

  35. Jerry the Tiger Fan

    September 5, 2013 at 12:39 am

    The other worrisome thing is that CLE just won’t fold up the tents and go away. Lead back down to where it was a week ago, 6.5 games. The lead was 8.5 games after opening this series with a win two nights ago. Next on tap for the Indians: the Mets in CLE. We all saw how “dynamic” that Mets team was two weekends ago. Yeesh.

    Not only that, but we face Big Game James on Friday, Duffy (who baffled us the last time KC was in town), and Bruce Chen who generally shuts us down (although we got to him in the most recent series versus the Royals). As a “glass half empty” kind of guy, color me worried that this race is about to get uncomfortably close again.

    • William

      September 5, 2013 at 6:23 am

      Good thing is, CLE faces KC six times. They also have a series with TEX at some point soon….and they are done with us.

      Not an ideal situation for them, obviously. They are rather annoying though…I’ll give you that. The division isn’t the laughingstock that the media predicted in April.