Game 2013.158: Tigers at Twins

91 – 66, 2.

Not much to like about yesterday’s game. Even though JV went 6 with 0 ER and 12 Ks, he walked 3 and got in enough trouble to not pitch into the 7th. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I’m certain that the bullpen has pitched significantly more innings in JV starts this year than in any year in recent history.

I recognize that the Tigers have been pretty average over the past few weeks, a time span that coincides greatly with Cabrera’s nagging injuries. But I don’t put any stock into momentum heading into the playoffs in MLB. None whatsoever. It would be great to catch Oakland. In my mind, that is what we are playing for right now. Any momentum we may pick-up will be lost in the break before the first playoff series.

If we don’t, we’ll re-evaluate come game 1 post for the ALDS.

Rotation as listed…

Tonight: Fister

Tomorrow: Scherzer

Friday: Porcello

Saturday: Sanchez

Sunday: Verlander

That Sunday game is on the 29th, and there will be 5 days between the last game of the regular season and game 1 of the ALDS on Friday the 4th (assuming Detroit is not in a play-in/WC game). So really, Leyland can do whatever he wants with the rotation. I’m thinking that the home/away will play a role with Porcello out of the pen.

To be honest, this exercise was much less enjoyable that I thought it would be. Or perhaps I’m still frustrated that JV didn’t win #18 last night.

70 Comments

  1. StorminNorman$

    September 24, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    against LHP S. Diamond
    1. Austin Jackson, CF
    2. Torii Hunter, RF
    3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B
    4. Prince Fielder, 1B
    5. Victor Martinez, DH
    6. Omar Infante, 2B
    7. Matt Tuiasosopo, LF
    8. Alex Avila, C
    9. Ramon Santiago, SS
    Starting pitcher: Doug Fister

  2. StorminNorman$

    September 24, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    scanning the AL standings, a few figures jumped off the page regarding the teams that would currently be playoff bound:

    Extra Inning Games
    DET – 6-12 (DET the only MLB playoff team w/losing record in XTRA)
    BOS – 10-6
    TAM – 9-7
    CLE – 10-2
    OAK – 7-6

    1-Run Games
    DET – 19-23 (DET the only MLB playoff team w/losing record in 1-run games)
    BOS – 21-19
    TAM – 25-21
    CLE – 28-17
    OAK – 32-21

    vs LHP
    DET – 26-23 (DET w/worst record vs LHP)
    BOS – 32-21
    TAM – 29-22
    CLE – 32-20
    OAK – 32-21

    what does it mean? …maybe nothing… I have my opinion

    • Smoking Loon

      September 24, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      Meanings:

      Extra Inning Games: Lousy bullpen

      1-Run Games: Lousy bullpen

      vs LHP: Jackson, Dirks, Avila

      • Smoking Loon

        September 24, 2013 at 7:55 pm

        Cleveland looks pretty darned strong on the StorminNorman$ lists. Are we *sure* we want them in the playoffs? That’s up to us, of course, so let’s decide now.

        • Smoking Loon

          September 24, 2013 at 8:07 pm

          Make that:

          Extra Inning Games: Feast or famine/dead late offense, no running game, lousy bullpen

          1-Run Games: Lousy bullpen, feast or famine/dead late offense, no running game

          vs LHP: Jackson, Dirks, Avila

    • Vince in MN

      September 24, 2013 at 8:07 pm

      It means the Tigers tend to lose extra inning games by 1 run to LH pitchers. Actually I agree with Loon that the bullpen is the culprit. Once you get past Benoit in extras and are into dregs, well… phssst.

      • Smoking Loon

        September 24, 2013 at 8:09 pm

        “It means the Tigers tend to lose extra inning games by 1 run to LH pitchers.”

        That’s quite interesting, actually. There may be some truth to it.

        • Vince in MN

          September 24, 2013 at 9:13 pm

          I’m guessing a lot of those losses were/are/continue to be on the road where they are 31-35 vs. Not Cleveland.

  3. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    another less than average pitcher the Tigers can make great at times. Maybe its a good thing you only face very good pitching in the playoffs. Because of all the mediocre pitchers the Tigers make, look like Cy Yyoung winners…The Tigers are definately the personnality of their manager. I believe yesterday in the posts the word lethargic was used…well thats them!

  4. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    does anyone have a list of the 10-15 pitchers who threw shutouts against the Tigers? .I know Sale is on it but I didn’ think it was a who’s who of the top pitchers in the A.L.

    • Smoking Loon

      September 24, 2013 at 7:37 pm

      Sabbathia* NYY
      Iwakuma SEA
      Richards LAA
      Gomez PIT
      Locke* PIT
      Cobb TBR
      Santana KCR
      Shields KCR
      Salazar CLE
      Santana KCR
      Iwakuma SEA

      Nearly all righties, strangely enough.

  5. StorminNorman$

    September 24, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I agree with Kevin’s comments, “don’t put any stock into momentum heading into the playoffs”. As DET fans might recall, in 2006, STL limped into the playoffs, winning just 3 of their last 12 games, and finishing just 5 games over .500 (83-78), which that year was good enough to win the NL Central.

    STL kind of continued the limp in the WS (batting only .228), but fortunately for them their opponent (DET), limped offensively (batting .199) and defensively; and the heavily favored DET lost to STL in 5 games. Remove Sean Casey’s stats from DET that year, and DET batted only .159 in the WS… oh the memories

    • Smoking Loon

      September 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm

      Yeah, momentum is just talk.

      • Vince in MN

        September 24, 2013 at 8:13 pm

        Yup, it’s easy to talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

        • Coleman

          September 24, 2013 at 8:59 pm

          Oh yeah, I can walk!

    • Vince in MN

      September 24, 2013 at 8:10 pm

      You could say that although the Cardinals limped into the Series that year, the Tigers were rolled in on a gurney.

    • Vince in MN

      September 24, 2013 at 9:00 pm

      I do believe in “fire in the belly” though.

  6. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    how bad is my life when I spend more time watching the Indians and Rangers scores more than the Tigets. Just hoping the Tigers can BACK IN……

  7. Vince in MN

    September 24, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Fister doing his best Verlander imitation tonight.

    • Vince in MN

      September 24, 2013 at 10:03 pm

      Three 1-2-3 innings in a row now (4-6). Eat your heart out JV.

  8. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    is this all legal???

  9. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    where did all this come from….wow!

  10. Vince in MN

    September 24, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Avila vs. LHP this year (before tonight): .149/.232/.243/.475

    Definitely needs all the PAs he can get against lefties before the WS starts.

  11. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    even though Avila has been hot ( not against lefties) I liked it alot better when Mumbles was platooning him and Pena…Pena sits so much now he hasn’t been very effective with his 2 AB a week…but Mumbles really doesn’t care about stuff like that

  12. Jerry the Tiger Fan

    September 24, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Anybody else get the feeling that Francona has some kind of dirt on Ventura ((I’m only sorta kidding))??? 12 straight losses to CLE by Ventura’s team and now they cough up 2 in the bottom of the 7th to fall behind CLE yet again. Amazingly awful by the ChiSox. Anybody else feel like the rest of the division hates us? Minnesota is playing us as though they are still in the hunt right now, but they also generally lay down for CLE (although nowhere near the extent that the ChiSox have this year). The White Sox played us much tougher than they did CLE this year, as did the Twins.

    I sure hope that Gardenhire treats the CLE series this weekend the same as he is treating this one. Last night Gardy brought in his 8th inning guy in a game they trailed 3-0 to pitch the 8th versus looking at the kids as most teams do this time of year. He also brought his closer in despite trailing 3-2 in the top of the ninth versus getting a look at his prospects.

    Maybe I’ve just got a persecution complex. :-)

  13. StorminNorman$

    September 24, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    CWS just tied CLE …Perez gave up a HR in the top of 9th

    • StorminNorman$

      September 24, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      Perez just gave up another HR…now 4-3 CWS

  14. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    come on Sox ..shut them down for ONCE this year!

    • StorminNorman$

      September 24, 2013 at 10:00 pm

      Perez, who eventually was pulled after the 2nd HR then a single, was very Valverde-esque tonight

  15. Vince in MN

    September 24, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Tui’s last hit was Aug 28th. His last extra base hit was July 27th.

    • StorminNorman$

      September 24, 2013 at 10:02 pm

      he really hit the proverbial wall

      • Vince in MN

        September 24, 2013 at 10:06 pm

        Well, you look at his career and it looks like this is normal, and the first part of the season was just a fluke. Early on I was hopeful that he had turned a corner, but it looks like he was just running into them in bunches.

        • Jerry the Tiger Fan

          September 24, 2013 at 10:50 pm

          I agree. It looks like midnight has struck for Tui. I just can’t see anyway that he makes the postseason roster given the numbers that Vince cited. No hits since August 28th and no xtras since July 27th. Yikes. Even Santiago hits with more power than those numbers.

          • Smoking Loon

            September 25, 2013 at 6:06 pm

            I’m pretty sure Tui has been playing with a sore arm since August 28. Earlier this week, Jackson was hampered by a sore arm. Benoit’s arm was a little sore when he gave up the HR to Dozier Monday, but going back to a standard 1-inning outing last night allowed it to heal properly.

  16. Vince in MN

    September 24, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    2-run PH homer by Giambi wins it in the ninth for CLE.

    • StorminNorman$

      September 24, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      at least they’re consistent…CWS that is

      • Vince in MN

        September 24, 2013 at 10:22 pm

        And so has CLE been. They have been very, very good at taking advantage of opposition mistakes. And not just by “slugging it”.

  17. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    The White SUX suck against everyone except the Tigers…22 wins.in their final at bat…..thats unreal

    • Vince in MN

      September 24, 2013 at 10:18 pm

      The Indians have “fire in the belly” and a manager that instills that quality I think.

  18. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    and here we go yet again……..

  19. StorminNorman$

    September 24, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Wacha for STL has a no-hitter with one out in the 9th on MLB network

    • StorminNorman$

      September 24, 2013 at 10:24 pm

      with 2 outs Zimmerman got a high hopper infield hit to blow the no-hitter

      horse shoes and hand grenades

  20. Jerry the Tiger Fan

    September 24, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Can we please get this magic # to 1 tonight??? Another white knuckler as Twins tightening the noose in the 7th. Ok Gardy, we get it. You’ve shown that your club is playing with integrity down the stretch. Now lay down and let us wrap this thing up before we get to Miami. Damn.

    • Vince in MN

      September 24, 2013 at 11:20 pm

      Gardy’s big mistake was letting Diamond pitch in the fourth inning.

      • Jerry the Tiger Fan

        September 24, 2013 at 11:29 pm

        Gardy has managed these two games as though it were the ALDS. Switching pitchers mid-inning to get lefty on lefty matchups with bases empty and two outs. Last night using his 8th inning guy in the 8th despite being down three runs. I will be interested to see if he plays it the same way against CLE this weekend. We may not need him to but Texas, Tampa, and KC certainly would appreciate it. It’ll look a little fishy if he decides to pitch his “kids” this weekend versus going with his frontline guys in this series versus DET.

        • Vince in MN

          September 24, 2013 at 11:50 pm

          I know from a Tigers perspective this sounds improbable, but the Twins have about 5 “frontline” guys in their bullpen. Unfortunately they are run down now because the starters have been so bad this season (lowest IP/G in the league (majors?) this season – I think). The other big problem for them is run scoring ability – Morneau gone, Mauer on DL (probably for the rest of the season too), Willingham not up to par because of injuries all year, and although Dozier has made great strides in the 2nd half, they really are fielding a AAA team. Cleveland, which is playing great ball right now, unlike you-know-who, should be able to roll over them as easily as they have vs CHI. We should be able to win one more out of the last four to clinch, but the current level of Tiger ball isn’t going to cut it in the playoffs.

  21. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Smyly and AlAl..just like it is supposed to go…cept Al I still don’t trust you, but nice job

  22. Jerry the Tiger Fan

    September 24, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Some add-on runs would sure be nice.

    • Jerry the Tiger Fan

      September 24, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      I guess the Tigers didn’t agree with me as they put up a meek 1-2-3 top of the 8th inning.

      • Vince in MN

        September 24, 2013 at 10:52 pm

        The thing is, one more Tiger win or one more Ranger loss and they are assured of making the playoffs, so what’s the rush?

  23. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    meabwhile the Tigers sit on their 4 runs because scoring in more than one inning in a game..is…just…to….hard!

    • tbran

      September 24, 2013 at 10:47 pm

      Come on, this is one tough AAA team that Minnesota is featuring here. I mean their line up is loaded with guys hitting .230 and .250 …

  24. Jerry the Tiger Fan

    September 24, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    A Bruce Rondon appearance. First time in close to a month I believe.

    • PHToy in HK

      September 24, 2013 at 10:51 pm

      That was nice and efficient.

  25. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    this is country hard ball right here folks!!!!..Great to see this!!!

    • Jerry the Tiger Fan

      September 24, 2013 at 10:52 pm

      That was an impressive inning by Rondon. Wow. Its that kind of potential that makes you see why the Tigers thought he could be their closer last winter.

  26. Vince in MN

    September 24, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Rondon is going to get yelled at again for throwing too many strikes (9/10).

  27. Vince in MN

    September 24, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    AJax took extra BP today, and although we all know BP is over-rated (Lloyd and Jimbo say so), he does have 3 hits tonight. Maybe it is all psychological.

  28. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    The Tigers never do the things it takes to try and add on runs. There was a perfect chance to send Jackson, the second fastest Tiger, and try and get him in scoring position…but Mumbles thinks ony bad thigs happen when you try and steal!!!!

    • Jerry the Tiger Fan

      September 24, 2013 at 11:22 pm

      I know and its frustrating. I have no idea why you don’t have Ajax try and steal second in that situation. Nothing to lose at all. If he gets thrown out, no big deal. If he steals second and later is driven in by Hunter or Miggy its a pretty big deal. Three run lead versus a 2 run lead and a lot less stress for everyone on the team, especially the closer.

  29. tbran

    September 24, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    whew. at least it stayed in the ball park tonight. fingers crossed. come on Benoit!

    • Jerry the Tiger Fan

      September 24, 2013 at 11:23 pm

      Actually I would have rather it left the ballpark tonight and stayed in the ballpark for a double last night. We likely win both games if that was the case.

  30. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    ONE to go Boys!!!!….great pitching tonight!!

  31. Jerry the Tiger Fan

    September 24, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Finally! Victory! Magic number down to 1.

  32. PHToy in HK

    September 24, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    and the K’s keep coming!

  33. judpma

    September 24, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    I think I have posted 6 or 7 times this season 93 wins!!!! well lets get that 93 clincher tomorrow!

  34. Vince in MN

    September 25, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Coke has been pitching with a sore arm since last year. Thanks Phil.
    http://beck.mlblogs.com/2013/0.....t-for-mri/

    • Smoking Loon

      September 25, 2013 at 6:02 pm

      Tigers pitchers often suffer from Retroactive Sore Arm Syndrome.

      • StorminNorman$

        September 25, 2013 at 6:46 pm

        and according to the NIH; RSAS is typically a secondary condition caused by the primary diagnosis, that being a severely bruised ego