Game 2010.072: Tigers at Braves

I love seeing guys make their debuts. I despise seeing people overreact one way or the other to a single start. That said, I’m optimistic that Andy Oliver is up to the task. I’ve been high on Oliver for quite some time and it doesn’t surprise me that he has made it to the big leagues in just his first full professional season. The Tigers have been aggressive with him. I am surprised it is coming before the All Star Break.

Oliver will be opposed by Kris Medlen.

As an aside I did a Q & A with Tomahawk Talk previewing the series which can be read here.


  1. Stormin Norman $

    June 25, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Whether Porcello gets his groove back in Toledo or not, it would be nice to see Oliver do well… having a quality lefty starter and an insurance policy (should one of the other starters need a break or replacement) down the stretch could be crucial.

    …but let’s be reasonable when it comes to expectations, making the jump from AA to facing a division leading team is quite a leap… as evidenced by Porcello’s first outing in Toledo, 8 innings, 1 hit, 1 unearned run, 1BB, 3 K’s.

    • Vince in MN

      June 25, 2010 at 6:40 pm

      Oliver is slated to go against MN on Wednesday as well – two consecutive starts against division leading teams. We’ll see what he is made of. After that, who knows.

      • Dr. Detroit

        June 25, 2010 at 7:36 pm

        It does seem a bit fast to have him up, but might as well have him get his feet wet first before going against the Twins, which with this series coming up being a key series for us may be part of the reason why he is being called up now. Nice to see we have a lefty option against them–if the D-Train could be effective against them, Oliver should be, if he doesn’t pull a Sborz/Figaro with Atlanta, that is.

  2. Keith (Mr. X)

    June 25, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I’m looking forward to seeing this kid pitch even if it’s just for one or a two starts. He might be a little raw, but he should be less painful to watch than Dontrelle Willis ever was. I expect Porcello to be be back pretty fast.

  3. Coleman

    June 25, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    I wonder how he is with a bat.

  4. Coleman

    June 25, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Nice way to start the game, with a Run Boesched In

  5. Stormin Norman $

    June 25, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Guillen failure to turn that easy DP gave the Braves that run… and added a lot of pitched to Oliver’s pitch count.

    • Coleman

      June 25, 2010 at 8:17 pm

      And that was his 2nd muffed play of the game already, whatever he had for dinner tonight, he should lay off tomorrow

  6. Coleman

    June 25, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    And the bright side, the Twins also just gave up their 1-0 lead and are likewise tied 1-1

    • Coleman

      June 25, 2010 at 8:20 pm

      Even better, make that 1-2

  7. Mcb

    June 25, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Sox are getting scary.

  8. jud

    June 25, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    the kids holding his own…of course it would be a bit much to ask the Tigs to put up a 5 spot to help the kid out

    • Coleman

      June 25, 2010 at 9:02 pm

      It’s a bit much to ask considering they are facing Cy Medlen

  9. Dr. Detroit

    June 25, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Where was that McCann pitch? 3-2 grooved fastball? He is a fine hitter so no hanging your head low giving up a dinger to him–nice to see Oliver bounce back and finish out the inning.

  10. jud

    June 25, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Well he bunts just like most of the Tiger regulars…..not a big priority in the tiger system

  11. jud

    June 25, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    the Braves are 1 for 2 RISP the Tigers are 1-6 so far . Now that is the story of the season!

  12. jud

    June 25, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Jackson with a no-no thru 7 for the D-Backs ..I hope I didn’t jinks him

  13. jud

    June 25, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Chipper is closing in on 1500 RBI while Inge is closer to 1500 strikeouts…..but I’ll bet Inge is POG way more often than Chipper

  14. Coleman

    June 25, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Another A.O. K

  15. Jud

    June 25, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    CY———————- was just too much today…lights out….nothing we could do…(fill in the blank again and again and again)

  16. Stormin Norman $

    June 25, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    E Jackson still has no-hitter two outs in the 9th (130 pitches, 7 BBs)

    twinkies still losing to the mets 5-2 going into the 9th

    • kathy

      June 25, 2010 at 9:59 pm

      Just hearing his voice, makes me miss him all over again. Tremendous accomplishment for him. Still wish he was a Tiger.

  17. Coleman

    June 25, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    C’mon you guys, two measly runs and we probably go to bed in 1st place

  18. Stormin Norman $

    June 25, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    …another loss for the twinkies…5-2

  19. Jud

    June 25, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    hey Maggs and Miggy way to work those 3 pitches into 2 outs

  20. Stormin Norman $

    June 25, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    E Jackson no-hitter in the 9th two outs 140+ pitches

  21. Stormin Norman $

    June 25, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    When is the last time a pitcher threw 150 pitches in one game?

    E. Jackson just did, and threw a no hitter against the Rays… CONGRATS EJAX! what’s up with all the no-hitters and perfect games this year?

  22. Jud

    June 25, 2010 at 10:00 pm


  23. Stormin Norman $

    June 25, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    when the current Tigers give their fans nothing to cheer about, there’s always the ex-Tigers to cheer about… i always liked Jackson – good guy… deserves it… what a work-horse.

    • Shane Trapped in Toledo

      June 25, 2010 at 10:04 pm

      Yeah, teams .5 games out of first at the end of June are always hard to cheer for.

  24. dredford

    June 25, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Rod Allen said, “Two great managers here tonight…” I know one is Bobby Cox; who else is in the ballpark tonight?

    • Stormin Norman $

      June 25, 2010 at 10:07 pm

      the other would be the concession ‘manager’, Frank Murphy on the mezzanine level.

      • Jud

        June 25, 2010 at 10:32 pm

        oh and I thought they were talking about Lamont!

  25. Jud

    June 25, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    why did I think the Tiger lack of offense would do exactly what they did or didn’t do today….they must have early dinner reservations somewhere like they usually do first game in a new city….pathetic attempt to try and win a game!!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. Keith (Mr. X)

    June 25, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Oliver was very impressive. I didn’t know he threw that hard. His mechanics looked nice also.

  27. billfer

    June 25, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Why do all of you hate this team so much? Nothing to cheer about – what about their second round draft pick last year making a great debut? Why is it that the Tigers offense is awful but the Braves could only manage two stinking runs against a guy who was struggling in college last year.

    Yes, the Tigers haven’t been as good as a typical team at scoring a runner from third with less than 2 outs. The league average is 50%. The Tigers are at 46%. If they were average they would have scored exactly six more runs this year. Yes, it probably would have made the difference in a win at some point in the season, but it isn’t nearly as bad as it is often made out to be.

    I understand lamenting and comiserating but jeez. Look around. This isn’t a great team but they aren’t bad either. They have an MVP caliber player, a ROY caliber player. An ace. Two comeback player of the year candidates. Two players competing for the batting title, and one of the best bullpens in the game. That doesn’t exactly suck.

    • Shane Trapped in Toledo

      June 25, 2010 at 11:17 pm

      Thank you. This place has been getting awful lately.

    • Mark@HOU

      June 25, 2010 at 11:23 pm

      Holy crap Bilfer, I just ran the same numbers myself. 6 runs over the course of 72 games is once every 12 games. They have played 19 1 run games going 10-9. So even rounding up where the Tigers lost a run in two of these games. One was a win hence the 50/50.

      Therefore the “unacceptable” runner on 3rd less than 2 outs Tigers percentage has cost the Tigers the chance at winning exactly 1 game the whole season. I say chance because you still have to win the game in extras.

      1 game in baseball equates to about 4 minutes of a football season. Getting this fired up and incedulous after every game is like making the same proclamations after every drive in a football season.

    • stephen

      June 25, 2010 at 11:49 pm

      I agree! And I’ve even been on vacation so don’t be blaming me aka Chief Dark Cloud. C’mon people, Inge’s OPS+ is ALMOST at league average. Let us dance until the dawn.

      • Shane Trapped in Toledo

        June 25, 2010 at 11:56 pm

        I do not think that this team, the manager, or the general manager are infallible, but the criticisms here are sometimes so off base it just seems like haters-being-haters-just-for-the-sake-of-hating.

        The Tigers bunt quite a bit for an AL team. Look it up and quit being a hater.

    • Teymour

      June 26, 2010 at 1:00 am

      Haven’t posted in a while, but thanks Bilfer. Your blot is a daily read and I always try to get a pulse of the people in your comments section. It is, however, pretty obnoxious to see people hate. If you hate the Tigers so much, then stop watching. There are a million other things to do than watch a game and complain. I know it could be worse, it could be freep or mlive comments. That said, its a 162 game season. Teams lose. Then they win.

      Here’s to the present and the future. Cheers!

      • Kevin in Dallas

        June 26, 2010 at 1:25 am

        Much of it is in jest. It’s hard to say that anyone who actually follows every one of 162 games, like many on this list do, hates the team. Just part of the analysis. Sounds a little worse when we lose. It will be better tomorrow. That is, unless Ol Smokey runs out the Three Dog Night roadies instead of a normal, logical lineup and puts Milt Wilcox on the mound. I’d put it at 50/50.

        • Stormin Norman $

          June 26, 2010 at 1:10 pm

          Amen to that… i didn’t get the pollyanna directive memo declaring anything resembling criticism to be off limits when directed at the Tigers.

          In addition to supporting your team, pointing out their flaws, questionable decisions and uncomfortable stats are part of being a fan… sure some of us tend to highlight negatives more than positives, but i’m with Kevin in that most of it comes from a basis of irony and/or humor (or an attempt at it anyway) and from fans that want their team to win and get better. For me, i appreciate the fact that the Tiger fan base includes both ‘glass half full’ and ‘glass half empty’ fans – both sides need an occasional dose of reality… so Bilfer’s comments are also welcome.

    • Jerry The Tiger Fan

      July 9, 2010 at 2:14 pm

      Bilfer, we get frustrated watching guys make first pitch outs in the late innings of close games. We get frustrated at the team’s lack of ability to hit a routine flyball to CF when there is a man on third and less than two out. We get frustrated watching Brandon Inge repeatedly take half-hearted check swings on an almost daily basis. It is quite the opposite of hating the team. We love the team and want them to win so badly that ALL flaws are magnified, and discussed here among like-minded fans (i.e. fans who want the Tigers to win but can express their frustration through dark humor/sarcasm).

  28. Jonathon

    June 25, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Got back from the game a bit ago, a few observations.
    1. Oliver was good tonight, a few loud outs and besides the couple string of hits in the second this was a gem. He works pretty slow, wondered if anybody else noticed this.
    2. Damon and Inge looked horrible at the plate today, horrible. Avila hit that ball a ton to straightaway, he also had a rocket that he pulled foul. He is seeing the ball well right now.
    3. Bonine did not look good probably continued due to rust.
    4. Jackson didn’t stand a chance of hitting Wagner.
    Tigers fans represented well tonight, should be able to get some hits and runs off kawakami tomorrow, hopefully max continues his good outings. I’ll be at the game tomorrow again, I’ll update tomorrow night.

    • kathy

      June 26, 2010 at 12:24 am

      I thought it was a great game. Carlos made some bad plays but he’ll make up for it. Just didn’t do it tonight. Oliver is extremely mature for his age and looked dominating out there.

    • kathy

      June 26, 2010 at 12:30 am

      Wagner looked like he could have blown away any team tonight.

    • Mark in Chicago

      June 26, 2010 at 10:08 am

      1. I noticed that Oliver is a bit of a slow worker, especially with runners on base. He did a very nice job overall though, he’s got a very good fastball and a decent slider. His changeup is still a work in progress. He throws strikes, which is nice to see.
      2. I thought there were quite a few guys that had a bad approach tonight, they seemed to be over-aggressive and swung at some very borderline pitches. They helped Medlen out a lot, I thought.
      3. Bonine has been unbelieveable all year, he’s entitled to give up a run now and then.
      4. To echo Kathy’s comment, nobody stood a chance of hitting Wagner in that one. Pretty impressive display of power pitching.

  29. Jonathon

    June 25, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Forgot to mention the good defense work that the left side had tonight. I was sitting behind Inge and that backhand play he made was sick.

  30. Coleman

    June 26, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Great, I just got kicked out of the fine drinking establishment I had been enjoying, and this a mere 20 minutes into my Inge Dance…and dawn still so far away…

  31. Kevin in Dallas

    June 26, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Three stars:

    1) Coleman 9:27pm
    2) Stormin Norman $ 10:27pm
    3) Coleman 12:49am