Game 112: Tigers at White Sox

by billfer on August 5, 2008 · 557 comments

in 2008 Season,Game Post

PREGAME: Here we are at one of those critical junctures where if the Tigers lose, even the optimists have to call it a season. It reminds a lot of a series like this 2 months ago where Detroit improbably swept the White Sox. Of course that series was in the confines of Comerica Park.

It will be Nate Robertson taking on Gavin Floyd. Robertson has been the awful in 2 of his last 3 starts. Both of those came on the road. Both of them he was showering before the 4th inning started. And in both of them the team gave him a ton of run support. In between he picked up a quality start against these same White Sox.

Floyd’s ERA is 2 runs lower when pitching in Chicago. He has allowed 11 homers in 76 home innings, and the Tigers have been known to hit some homers, so that might be good.

As for all those changes Leyland was talking about, there were no roster moves, and other than Ryan Raburn starting in left (5 for 12 off of Floyd) there’s really nothing of note.

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Guillen, 3B
  4. Ordonez, RF
  5. Cabrera, 1B
  6. Sheffield, DH
  7. Raburn, LF
  8. Inge, C
  9. Renteria, SS

Game Time 8:10

POSTGAME: Oh Holy Hell.

I’d like to say something about Polanco’s game. Or Fernando Rodney being the man. Or Ryan Raburn’s 4 hits. Or Nate Robertson making it through 5 innings. Instead…

Oh Holy Hell.

Farnsworth has allowed more homers than all but 25 AL pitchers. All 25 are starters. Edgar Renteria had had a good game with 3 hits and some nice defense…until he booted a routine grounder. The game should have been over. Joel Zumaya should have thrown something that wasn’t a fastball.

Oh Holy Hell.

 
 

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Andrew in Toronto August 5, 2008 at 5:28 pm

“Don’t perform and I won’t put you in the lineup”???

Sheffield, Renteria, Robertson have been performing great!

charlie August 5, 2008 at 6:09 pm

that’s why leyland is dead in the water with his players. he is going to stick with his vets until they are definitely out of contention and then we’ll see some kids.

Chris in Dallas August 5, 2008 at 6:15 pm

Just once, I’d like to see the 3-4-5 be Ordonez-Cabrera-Guillen. Not that the offense has been bad, I just think that might make it a little better. Maybe. Or maybe not. But you never know until you try.

Jeff Molby August 5, 2008 at 6:16 pm

he is going to stick with his vets until they are definitely out of contention and then we’ll see some kids.

I would hope so. Yes, you can get lucky and have a couple guys like Joyce and Galarraga overachieve for awhile, but you’re not going to win a division (aside from the NL West, maybe) by promoting your AAA team.

If the vets don’t start clicking on all cylinders ASAP, the season is over. There’s nothing anyone can do to change that fact.

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 6:29 pm

“Just once, I’d like to see the 3-4-5 be Ordonez-Cabrera-Guillen.”

Agreed. I’ve been wishing for this for some time — ever since Cabrera started heating up, to be precise. Leyland always says Maggs had a career year batting clean-up, so he doesn’t want to move him. But arguably, Guillen had a career year batting fifth last year. Cabrera has no support behind him right now, and I have to assume that translates into less hittable pitches.

cib August 5, 2008 at 6:33 pm

I’m going dorm-stuff shopping with my son; he’s 18 and leaving for Ann Arbor in 3 weeks so I’d rather spend the time with him at this point! I’ll record the game and if any miracles happen I’ll take a look and chime in later. Have fun!

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Hopefully this board has some descriptions, because this is a no-fly game on MLB.tv thanks to Hawk and DJ. My sanity is at a breaking point with the Tigers already without their tandem idiocy.

cib August 5, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Amanda August 5, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Dang the game doesn’t start til 8:10 pm ..I gotta be to work at 5 am and get up alittle before 4 am.. so I def won’t be seeing the whole game. When I wake up they’ll probably be replaying it on FSN, like they usually do, hopefully I wake up to some good news. Go Tigers!!!

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 7:50 pm

Robertson vs. Floyd. Yikes.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Nice start.

ohiotiger August 5, 2008 at 8:15 pm

perfect… nate loves to blow early leads!

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Placido two run homer!

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Ouch. Carlos swung at ball three, four, and five.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:25 pm

cib: “I’m going dorm-stuff shopping with my son; he’s 18 and leaving for Ann Arbor in 3 week” Hey that’s cool.

One tip: don’t wait till the last thing to buy the cases of beer, or that dorm room gets all full of chairs and clothes and all that and it’s totally a pain to find any room. Oh wait, nevermind I just remembered that’s on the list of stuff you forget to tell your parents about…

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Damn, doesn’t that just figure? Granderson finally steals a base and Polanco goes and wastes it by Homering, he might has well have just stood on first for all the good it did him.

I’ll have to look this up but…it seems like Polanco and Inge both hit homers in the White Sox stadium.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 8:28 pm

Here goes Nate trying to give the lead right back.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:29 pm

Amanda: “..I gotta be to work at 5 am and get up alittle before 4 am”

crikey!

judpma August 5, 2008 at 8:29 pm

shoot there goes Nates NO Hitter

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:30 pm

Obviously we know what Amanda does for a living. Which is cool, since I’ve never known anyone who was a professional duck hunter before.

Tony August 5, 2008 at 8:30 pm

Anyone else smell a 3-run homer?

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 8:31 pm

Yup, just keep running up those counts Nate

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 8:32 pm

Nate holds a lead!

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Alright one inning full of stress in the books after the DP. Nice pitch Nate.

Tony August 5, 2008 at 8:33 pm

It’s amazing how much double plays smell like 3-run homers.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:34 pm

Actually I think it sometimes works in our favor when there’s a guy on 2nd, especially if he moves around a lot, because sometimes that helps keep Edgar awake.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 8:34 pm

can we just call this a full game right here and chalk it up in the W column

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 8:38 pm

Raburn lays down a great bunt, and forces a throwing error to advance to second.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 8:38 pm

I hate sheff hitting but that was 6 inches outside

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:41 pm

C’mon Inge, let’s see some back-to-back two-base bunts for once.

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 8:43 pm

After that first swing from Edgar, I thought Ryan had a better chance of stealing home than him coming in on a hit.

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm

Is there anyway we can break up Inge and Renteria in the lineup, somehow? Just sayin. Those automatic two outs amid a rally or with RISP is just painful. Especially with a runner on 3rd with only one out.

Opportunities Squantered: 1

Let’s keep this number down if we have any shot at winning this game.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm

If Renta-retard continues his futile hitting in this series, and if he still is in the everyday lineup, then I will know that Leyland is full of crap when he says he is going to bench non-performers.

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Konerko seems to have lose all understanding of the strike zone. He thought he had a walk on a fastball down the middle.

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 8:49 pm

For whatever the reason, be it 1997 or whatever, Jimmuh is forever loyal to Renteria. It’s going to end like the band going down with the Titanic, most likely.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 8:50 pm

Wow. Nate looked good that inning. Here’s hoping it lasts.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:51 pm

That’s OK, the White Sox may hit a few long balls, but obviously the have no answer for our one-two punch of the Big Bat of Polanco, bracketed by the small-ball attack of Granderson/Raburn, who effortlessly carry the shaky double-play hitters between them.

Plus Chicago made the 1st error, and the team making the first error usually ends up losing as often as not.

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 8:52 pm

And another thing:

I know this is a “softball” slugging team, but as long as we have Inge and Renteria and a struggling Sheffield in the lineup, I definately think we need to see some more suicide sqeezes with a runner on 3rd with less than two outs. I understand it’s not a popular call, but to me it’s a no brainer as long as someone not named Grandy, Polanco, Guillen, Maggs or Cabrera is at the plate.

Come on. Let’s start producing some runs anyway we can.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm

Dave BW: “Konerko seems to have lose all understanding of the strike zone. He thought he had a walk on a fastball down the middle.”

In his defense, he may have visually calibrated “middle” based on the called 3rd on Sheffield

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 9:03 pm

For whatever the reason, be it 1997 or whatever, Jimmuh is forever loyal to Renteria. It’s going to end like the band going down with the Titanic, most likely.

Renteria is probably the sole reason Jim Leyland is managing today. If not for that winning hit in the 1997 WS (courtesy of Edgar Renteria), Jim Leyland probably becomes an also-ran manager who fades to oblivion. I can see something like “slave for life” gratitute oozing from Leyland as far as Renteria is concerned.

It’s kind of like that Jim Belushi movie — Mr. Destiny I believe, where the one strike out vs. hit changes his entire life.

This is as good as explination to me as any why Renteria is still playing.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:04 pm

actually Edgar and Inge batting bachck to back kills only one rally…if they were spread out they could kill 2

Chris August 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Looks like another Gavin Floyd dominating performince of the Tigers… Good thing Poly got that homer before Floyd found his mojo.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Renterias the man, he was traded for two good prospects. I doubt I’d be worth either of jurrjens or gorkys.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm

T Smith: “I know this is a “softball” slugging team, but as long as we have Inge and Renteria and a struggling Sheffield in the lineup, I definately think we need to see some more suicide sqeezes with a runner on 3rd with less than two outs. I understand it’s not a popular call”

I’m with Tsmith…(Is that a Hungarian name perhaps?)…
Inge is a good bunter at least (yeah I know, he had that lame checked-bunt strikeout last year, but other than that), and is fast enough that if its fielded by an error-waiting-to-happen guy, it just may happen.

So is Sheff, but I can’t say that I can visually recall him bunting before…but I would enjoy seeing him square up, and at the last moment cock that thing and yank it hard foul off the wall between home and third.

I know it would just be a strike, and you would want to make sure LaMont was awake when the signs were put on because you don’t want Raburn stealing home then and getting the Cupid business.

But after that we can bunt as much as we want, and as hard as he tries that 3rd-baseman won’t be able to charge in for at least a few innings; he’ll want to, but his legs won’t move. That would be a fine peripheral to attain.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm

T Smith:This is as good as explination to me as any why Renteria is still playing.

I am going with your explanation also cause there can’t be any other reason that would make any basic sense

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm

the sad thing is, i have a bad feeling they might pick up his option.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:08 pm

I love gushing about ramirez after he lucks into a broken bat double

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:09 pm

hey Nate way to keep Uribe from moving that runner over.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:11 pm

how about Miggys stretch /…he is getting good over there

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:11 pm

What are the odds that we would have scored ramirez there? 10pct? 20?

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 9:13 pm

Man, with Gavin getting better each inning and Nate getting worse, I’m starting to seriously regret putting my life savings on this game. That’s going to be $14.25 sorely missed.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:15 pm

judpma: “actually Edgar and Inge batting bachck to back kills only one rally…if they were spread out they could kill 2″

back to back is one thing, but I would feel better if they were back to back instead.

I think we will see poor Inge get a least a hat trick of strikeouts; those walks he has learned to love this season–well when he realizes who is on deck, they just make him double-play bait. I’m not sure he’s equal to the pressure of the “must….get….double…” game.

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Nato need only go two more innings and then we can turn it over to The Committee.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:17 pm

Sheff nice swing

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:20 pm

Oh but hey, some good luck for a change–2 outs! C’mon Inge you’re free! free of nagging DP fear! Take those pitches with wild abandon!

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:20 pm

Inge, put that one out!

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Oh crap The Inge actually drilled that sucker, maybe there IS something to the DP-Phobia theory…

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 9:24 pm

And with that, Inge’s BA falls to a nerdy .219. He must feel like quite the man prancing around the clubhouse in his Peter Pan tights with half a ham sandwich.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Come on nate, all you have to do is hold the lead and hand it to the pen

sky August 5, 2008 at 9:25 pm

My intuition, such as it is, says this (4th) is the inning where Robertson will get shelled!

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Wow another DP. Nate found the pitcher’s best friend.

Joel in Seattle August 5, 2008 at 9:27 pm

GOOD J

Joel in Seattle August 5, 2008 at 9:27 pm

GOOD JOB, JIM.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:27 pm

Nates best friend is the four days he doesn’t start

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 9:28 pm

Thank you declining, never to hit above .270 ever again Jim Thome.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:29 pm

And now we get to see the future hall of famer. And griffey is up too.

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Despite the walk, Konerko is Tinkerbell to Inge’s Peter Pan.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Forty

That’s four best friends.

sky August 5, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Guess my intuition is not that good today.

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Rod keeps calling Griffey Jr. “Griff”, but that only makes me think we’re playing against Fred McGriff.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Tigers need to find a way to run up the pitch count on Floyd and chase him out of there in the 6th.

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm

“And now we get to see the future hall of famer. And griffey is up too.”

Are you really claiming that Nate Robertson is a future hall of famer. I mean, ok ok you have an argument, but definitely not first ballot.

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Only 76 pitches so far for Nato. He should go five innings easy.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Ken Griffey Jr…… The Crime Dog…

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Ken in Vargas: You should have saved a few bucks from your debauched splurge; you could buy a book and then read it. What I am trying to say is if you had ever read the chronicles of the famous prancing gender-neutral sprite, you would know it is a vegetarian creature that would never let the salty-good but meaty with pigflesh ham dangle from its child-lips.

But he did lay a power of wood against that pitch and were it not for the unlucky circumstance of having a left fielder loitering about right out in the very left field where he sent the drive lining its way warning-trackward, you could have easily seen The P-Pan flutter all the way to 2nd in its dainty silk slippers.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Thank You Grandy!!! Somebody needed to get to Floyd again.

sky August 5, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Edgar and Curtis…….what a ticket!

sky August 5, 2008 at 9:38 pm

And Polly!

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Griffey yikes man…

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 9:39 pm

This is the exact reason I didn’t understand putting Griffey in center. He Joyced two bases for Polanco.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:41 pm

atta boy Grandy

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:42 pm

problem with Renteria’s hit is that will guarantee him in the lineup for the rest of August

sky August 5, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Guillen gives the Tigers the Cycle in four batters!……..This is the fun part of the team. If only…………….! well, we will talk about the bullpen later.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Good job Guillen. Let’s keep pouring it on. 5-1 “bad guys” according to hawk

mcb. August 5, 2008 at 9:43 pm

WAHOO!

However, we are not yet out of Robertson lead-blowing territory.

It’s still “Gum Time”.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Nice. Tigers finaly solving the riddle that is Gavin Floyd…

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Chris: “Ken Griffey Jr…… The Crime Dog…”

That is a difficult one. One the one hand, if he is a crime dog, we could have him quad-cuffed and hauled tailwise to the pound. And it’s not like we couldn’t use every little edge we can get.

But I think there may be a wrongness in that which would nag at me. If the dog has no ability to reason, no concept of what a weighing of right vs wrong would even be…can any dog be said to commit a crime once you reason from that starting point? You see the difficulty now?

Besides, we are pounding the living hell out of the ball right now anyway!

Palmcroft August 5, 2008 at 9:44 pm

T Smith:

Regarding Leyland owing Renteria for winning him a championship, you said “I can see something like ‘slave for life’ gratitude.”

I agree that it’s the only possible explanation. I propose Renteria’s official nickname be “Gratitude.”

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:44 pm

the question is how many runs will be a safe lead when it goes to committee???????????????????????

Forty August 5, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Grr at least dp is out now

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Coleman, are you really Clive Staples Lewis disguised as a man who mines cole? I have never heard a ham sandwich described with such vivid imagery.

“What I am trying to say is if you had ever read the chronicles of the famous prancing gender-neutral sprite…”

I have not read these chronicles, admittedly, but I’m pretty sure this sprite you speak of hangs out on the corner of Las Vegas Blvd. and Flamingo Rd. Her name is actually Jackie.

On a more relevant note, thank you Grandy! And Polanco going for the cycle today?

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Palmcroft via Tsmith: “I propose Renteria’s official nickname be “Gratitude.” That’s coincidentally not far from my unofficial nickname for Renteria, “GIDPitude”

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:51 pm

a sheff rally

mcb. August 5, 2008 at 9:53 pm

This past weekend, other mcb. called this scenario:

Detroit getting a 3-game sweep of the ChiSox, after which we would all get sucked back into the pennant race, then Detroit going to Kansas City and (I quote) “blowing the goats”.

Too bad he’s not really good at predicting these things. It would save me a lot of time.

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Either is certainly a milder version of suckitude, which is probably the most accurate

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 9:55 pm

KILV (oh now I get it, you’re a TV station, I’m a bit slow to catch on sometimes): “Polanco going for the cycle today?”

I would prefer he forgo the cycle out of deference to Renteria who couldn’t look less lively wearing lead leggings and by god cycling around the basepaths is like a three-day vacation to the leg-weary…

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 9:55 pm

Wasserman with a 8.56 e.r.a. Well what does he expect, spelling his name Eh-ren. That reads more like a glamorized stutter than anything.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 9:56 pm

good at BAT Rayburn

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 9:58 pm

At least Gratitude started off the inning with a double. And just when Leyland thought his debt was nearly paid….

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Nato’s job now is to hold them to four runs or less ths inning.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 10:01 pm

I love listening to hawk get upset. He gets all flustered. He gone and he gone.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:01 pm

these guys are very helpful DP DP DP

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Another DP – Nato’s balls must be heavy this evening.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Man when was the last time you saw a team kill itself with dps like this?

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:03 pm

nice move Nate walk the guy with two outs to set up that next DP

billfer August 5, 2008 at 10:04 pm

In case anyone was wondering, the last time Polanco hit a homer with someone on base, it was Sept 27th, 2006.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 10:06 pm

You think when Nate Robertson gets run support he just starts to suck? I do.

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 10:06 pm

Nate does realize the majority of MLB pitchers do actually like pitching with multi-run leads, right?

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm

get the hook!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm

That was fortunate. Time for the committee to shut the door.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:09 pm

my only HOPE here with the committee is the first guy you walk or hit ..you are out of there PERIOD. next

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:10 pm

You see the commercial is funny because when he stops making the mojito the music stops and the people stop dancing

Chris August 5, 2008 at 10:10 pm

Jermaine Dye is THE Tiger Killer and is having an excellent year…. God, am i amazed he did not hit a 3-run homer.

billfer August 5, 2008 at 10:10 pm

As much as I’d like Robertson out of the game, it’s Thome, Konerko, Griffey next inning. He’s held Thome in check and K’d Griffey twice. And Konerko spent the offseason training with Gary Sheffield. So I totally get it if he comes back out next inning.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 10:11 pm

billfer: “the last time Polanco hit a homer with someone on base, it was Sept 27th, 2006.”

It’s something like the Lunar eclipse then?

No…it’s just your gentle way of breaking the bad news, isn’t it?

Let’s see, sure enough, there it is, Sept 27th…aww, we lost though! and that “N. Robertson” guy who got the loss had been pitching so well earlier…

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 10:13 pm

Has Robertson had a 1-2-3 inning lately?

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:14 pm

Edgar will NOT make you pay for hanging a curveball

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 10:17 pm

judpma: “my only HOPE here with the committee is the first guy you walk or hit ..you are out of there PERIOD. next”

It’s a bit more complicated than that. Like if you hit a guy but he’s a catcher with Darko hair, then you may remain until you hit a 2nd batter.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 10:17 pm

“Has Robertson had a 1-2-3 inning lately?”

Yes. The 2nd inning of this game.

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 10:19 pm

Despite the K by Granderson there, he has actually done a magnificent job vs. lefties this season. I think we need to give Lloyd McClendon a big round of applause for this success story.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:21 pm

You can tell the sox miss ozzie ranting and raving

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 10:21 pm

I like it that so many of the Tigers seem like nice guys, but to me it doesn’t seem appropriate to go easy on this pitcher just because he is Amish.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:21 pm

maybe if you hit a guy so hard in the middle of his chest that he can’t possibly run you get to stay in also

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:23 pm

You can put it on the board: nate sucks

Adam August 5, 2008 at 10:24 pm

Oh my God. YOU CAN’T PUT HIM OUT ANOTHER INNING.

HE’S NATE ROBERTSON.

ohiotiger August 5, 2008 at 10:24 pm

god, i hate “hawk”

Ryan in Brooklyn August 5, 2008 at 10:24 pm

I would have thought Nate’s leash would have been mighty short. Thome’s double seems like enough to me…and as I type this, Konerko homers. Captain Smokes???

Tony August 5, 2008 at 10:24 pm

I wonder what Nate’s BAA split is between him pitching out of the wind-up and pitching out of the stretch.

billfer August 5, 2008 at 10:24 pm

Boy was I wrong.

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 10:24 pm

…and robertson’s ERA is back to over 6.00

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Nate still managed to leave the game with a higher ERA than when we started.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:25 pm

I am so glad we have Nate just getting it done

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Eh two runs is plenty for the committee

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:27 pm

bet he starts his next game totally ignoring the threat by the skipper of produce or your out of there

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Yes, and also their pitchers have to be careful, anything gets away from them inside…well the suspension iron is hot as they say.

And if one of ours got away inside on their catcher next inning, as much as they would be yearning for the payback, at the same time they are in mind of the hot suspension iron (not to mention the fine…um….skillet, yeah, the fine skillet. Because that’s not just parking meter money they are fining you, and they have families to feed…)

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:28 pm

And fossum induces the almost double f9…for a one third of an inning no hitter!

Chris August 5, 2008 at 10:29 pm

Now we are see why good bullpens are so damn valuable. Our bullepen is terrible while the Sox is the best in the majors… We needed about a 5 run lead going into this stage of the game…

sky August 5, 2008 at 10:29 pm

I was in the living room and commented to my wife that with the score 6-2 in the bottom of the 6th I expect the Tigers to lose. That is a very sad attitude, but two batters later the score was 6-4. So it isn’t cynicism, it is just the proof of experience this season against good teams like the White Sox. They are not going to give up and the Tigers have a bad habit of not scoring any more after getting early runs. They seem to sit on their laurels with leads instead of pouring it on.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:29 pm

so far the bullpen is doing great!!!!

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 10:30 pm

judpma: “the threat by the skipper of produce or your out of there”

It depends on the produce.

a rotting head of lettuce upside the head would leave your cheek with a foul aroma that would take days to scrub off, try ignoring THAT.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:31 pm

My girlfriend points out that juan is one letter away from being juan ooh-ree-nay

sky August 5, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Here’s a thought:

Listening to Ken Harrleson on White Sox TV is worse than watching Rodney pitch. You heard that right here, from Sky!

billfer August 5, 2008 at 10:33 pm

In case anyone was wondering, 3 of Juan Uribe’s 13 walks this season are courtesy of the Tigers. A little more surprising is that the strike throwing Twins have walked him 3 times also.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 10:34 pm

The Sox bullpen isn’t really that good. They’re pitching at a 6.50 ERA in the last two weeks.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:34 pm

the game should be stopped here and awarded to the Tigers for the simple reason the Sox failed to take advantage of 2 Tiger bullpenners

billfer August 5, 2008 at 10:35 pm

I was in the living room and commented to my wife that with the score 6-2 in the bottom of the 6th I expect the Tigers to lose.

Honestly sky, have you EVER expected the Tigers to win this year regardless of the score?

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:37 pm

“There’s no reason to think olivo was thrown at”

No dan there isn’t. Unless you count the two previous pitches, the lopsided score, and olivo getting hit earlier in the season by the sox.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 10:40 pm

judpma: “maybe if you hit a guy so hard in the middle of his chest that he can’t possibly run you get to stay in also”

that game is sucking even more as time goes on, like a cheap wine aging into a harsh vinegar in the hot sun. Because Inge should have gunned it to second on the sac bunt, because the runner on 1st was bluish from lack of breath, and I can’t imagine got down to 2nd like The Flash or anything.

sky August 5, 2008 at 10:40 pm

I really believe Rodney should not be allowed to pitch until after the 3rd out in the 9th inning. Then he can come out and throw to the Little Leaguers running the bases.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:40 pm

the Tigs are in their lets get this over with offense cause we have more runs to give up

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 10:43 pm

“I really believe Rodney should not be allowed to pitch until after the 3rd out in the 9th inning. Then he can come out and throw to the Little Leaguers running the bases.”

SECOND

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Put me on record as actually thinking hawk has been fairly tolerable and reasonable tonight…it’s clearly all relative, but he hasn’t bugged me too much…

sky August 5, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Honestly sky, have you EVER expected the Tigers to win this year regardless of the score?

Many time, Billfer. But not for the last few weeks against teams like the Twins, Indians, Sox, or TB. Ask around, I am not the only one who gets this feeling.

Hey, I don’t like it! It is just a feeling of no confidence in the pen to stop the ops, especially in away games. I don’t think I am the only one who has noticed this!

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 10:45 pm

This small park is ridiculous.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Man quentin is the man, he’s very good

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 10:46 pm

I think you have to bring Rodney out in the 9th. He’s the set-up guy. Then when it’s tied in the 10th, you bring in Farnsworth, since you need to save your closer in case you take the lead in the 11th.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 10:46 pm

Way to waste a pitch Lopez.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 10:48 pm

Billfer, Sky’s usually right.

He likes to tell us he told us so.

ohiotiger August 5, 2008 at 10:48 pm

i think i’ve seen this game before…

Forty August 5, 2008 at 10:48 pm

B-i-t – wouldn’t call that hook an ideal 0-2 offering, but he didn’t hang it either. Quentin is good.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:49 pm

walk em …….your outtta there. period next

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Just doing a quick calculation here, it looks like if Nate gets 9 more starts and averages 5 innings per start (45+ IP) he would need to allow 50 ER in order to get his ERA up to 7.00. On the other hand in order to get his ERA down to 5.00, he could allow up to 10 ER in those same number of innings. At this point neither goal seems to be attainable, but baseball is a funny game, and stanger things have happened (although I can’t think of any off hand).

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Put one in the dirt or some high cheese.

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 10:50 pm

I hope we haven’t all jinxed Bobby Seay by commenting on how good he’s been lately.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 10:50 pm

Can we have Armando close?

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 10:53 pm

This would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Nice job, Bobby.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:53 pm

good work Bobby Seay

David G. August 5, 2008 at 10:53 pm

So does Seay come out for the 8th?

ohiotiger August 5, 2008 at 10:53 pm

well, its about time for our offense to pick us up with a run or 2, but the bullpen will get it back to a tied game in the bottom of the 8th

Ryan in Brooklyn August 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm

Bobby Seay is my hero.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm

Some more runs now plz.

judpma August 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm

can we just forfeit the next two innings

billfer August 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm

Sky – I know the pen doesn’t inspire confidence, but since you started coming around, it seems to be that every time the Tigers have a lead, no matter the opponent, you’re telling you’re wife they’ll blow it. They’ve been frustrating as all get out, and they blew way too many, but they’ve still won more than they’ve lost the last 6 weeks.

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 10:55 pm

Also, Dan Plesac is filling in for DJ as the analyst tonight. Plesac does not shut up. He is constantly talking. I’m not sure he’s worse than DJ, but it’s close.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 10:56 pm

Let’s get a hit. A HIT!

Ryan in Brooklyn August 5, 2008 at 10:56 pm

I say stay with Seay for the 8th. Especially with Griffey up 2nd.

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm

Brandon Inge is our Juan Uribe.

David G. August 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm

I remember that 7/25/07 game very well for Raburn. That game was pretty much the beginning of the end for this team.

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 10:59 pm

With Raburn getting 4 hits (so far) tonight, what are the odds that he sits tomorrow?

Mike R August 5, 2008 at 10:59 pm

At least you get your money’s worth when you watch a Tigers game.

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 11:00 pm

Cringe

You’re really testing the health of the ol’ oblique with those half-swing whiffs

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 11:00 pm

Rayburn 4-for-4…that makes Jimmuh a genius, right?

Cameron in Singapore August 5, 2008 at 11:00 pm

So what are the odds the bullpen is going to blow this game?

judpma August 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm

nice at bat Inge take a pitch down the middle check swing strike 2 on a ball outside and hit a ball off you shoe tops for yet another or your .218 outs

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm

Leyland belongs to the “sell high” school of thought. Hence thames getting benched for defense during his home run streak.

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Raburn is 4 for 4, and 3 of those hits haven’t left the infield.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Great dig by paulie

judpma August 5, 2008 at 11:04 pm

good idea by Renteria throw your bat farther that you hit the ball to confuse the D

judpma August 5, 2008 at 11:05 pm

odds on winning are 20-80 at this point

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:06 pm

Mark: that’s what speed could be doing for us, if we had any.

Palmcroft August 5, 2008 at 11:07 pm

GameCast just flashed the odds of the Sox scoring 2 runs to take the lead at 14.79%. Sorry, Bilfer, but they are not up on the Tigers bullpen. The odds are actually 49%.

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 11:07 pm

I’m usually not in the Sky School of Drats and other Such Grumblings, but when was the last time we closed out a 1 run lead after the 7th. I really don’t know. I think we would have to be the underdog in this situation. Drats!

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:09 pm

Good thing jimmuh went and got seay. He looked way too good out there.

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 11:09 pm

I think it’s awesome (and sensible) that opposing teams are now warming up their closers in the 8th inning when they’re still behind us by a run

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm

T Smith:

“Cringe
You’re really testing the health of the ol’ oblique with those half-swing whiffs”

Hey, the guy’s not done rehabbing yet. If you look at his check swings now compared to before he went on the DL you will see the difference, some are really almost not swings at all, and others are more slowed down swings but he’s swinging all the way through.

I think it could be another month before he can really reliably slam the brakes on that thing at the dead halfway point

Chris August 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm

Sox have the best bullpen in the majors this year. Quite a turnaround from last year when they were the worst. And Kenny Williams determination to right-the-ship really paid off.

Dave Dombrowski, I hope can learn from his rival. Please DD, do everything you can to drastically improve this bullpen.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm

Oh great. “Hey, Bobby. Way to throw 11 pitches and get 3 outs, but we’re going to go put in that guy who gave up 2 home runs in the same inning last time he went out. And we’re still only up by a run.”

Jesus, Leyland. Sell high indeed.

Ryan in Brooklyn August 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm

If Seay can pitch to Konerko, why can’t he pitch to Alexei Ramirez?

Ken in Las Vegas August 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm

Here comes Farnsnotworthit. Let’s see what happens shall we.

sky August 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm

Really?

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm

haha, way to go professor

billfer August 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm

Kyle Farnsworth is like the Marcus Thames of pitchers.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Yep. Who freaking called it.

ohiotiger August 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm

we should trade farnsworth for a veteran catcher… i think it would make the team better

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm

What an idiot. Why take out the best relief pitcher we have right now. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Palmcroft:

49% ?? That’s a little low actually.

sky August 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm

No…That did not happen!

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Has this bullpen overmanagement ever not backfired?

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Hahahahahahahahaha

Nice job dd. Nice job jimmy.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

This bullpen sucks so much.!!!!!!!!!!!! ERRRRRRRRRRR

Vince in MN August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Oh, I get it now. That sly old dog Leyland, when he says “the Committee”, he means The Committee. He is using the whole damn shooting match. We’ll get Rodney and Zumaya later, with Dolsi held as the reserve. Well this makes sense: with the Closers 3 in there, it effectively makes this a 7 inning game.

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

why throw ramirez a strike? ever? he’s walked like 12 times all year.

Why take Seay out? Is he really that bad against righthanders? You let him face Konerko, but not Ramirez? You also break up the momentum of the inning by taking him out.

I don’t get that entire sequence.

sky August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

I so wanted to mark on my calender the night that my big mouth was proven wrong!

Oh well, I may be wrong yet.

JOE Z August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

GREAT TRADE

tomd August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

It was weird, I had this nightmare that we traded a first-ballot hall of fame catcher for Kyle Farnsworth. No one would be that stupid, right?

Ryan in Brooklyn August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Someone wake us all up from this nightmare…

jason August 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

I can’t help but laugh.

Mike R August 5, 2008 at 11:14 pm

hahaha. If you can possibly detach yourself (and just accept that we’re watching a Texas Ranger team of the Midwest night in, night out) this is actually quite comical.

At least we got that solid B Grade prospect that came with Farnsworth for Pudge.

OH WAIT.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:14 pm

Yeah, he’s like “Wow, they need a home run to tie the game? I’ll give it to them.”

West Coast Tiger August 5, 2008 at 11:14 pm

Leland Leland Leland. We traded Pudge for that.

Palmcroft August 5, 2008 at 11:15 pm

I pretty sure we’re north of 80% at this point, I really hadn’t anticipated the sell high approach…again. I don’t mean to rain on everyone’s continuing Leyland-love, but this is kinda ridiculous, no?

Kevin in Austin August 5, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Mike R – CJ Wilson’s night – walk, HBP, K, walk, grand slam. You think Fernando Rodney’s got anything on him?

Cameron in Singapore August 5, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Farnsworth fits right in with the Tiger’s bullpen. He was a great addition!
Dombrowski, “Let’s see, right now we only have Rodney, Zumaya, and Jones to give up home runs and lead us to crushing defeats…We need some reinforcements. I bet Farnsworth can do it too!”
Let’s cut this guy tonight.

sky August 5, 2008 at 11:16 pm

You know, guys, we really could make some serious money in Vegas on this team.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Farns has lost us two games now, in the three games he’s pitched. Awesome.

tomd August 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Perhaps he’s the Yankee Manchurian Candidate, programmed to destroy what little threat Detroit was as a wild card. Or even revenge for 2006.

Mr. Farnsworth? Kyle Farnsworth? Kyle Lynn Farnsworth?

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Jason – I smiled too. It’s like u of m last year. You just hope it gets your dbag coach fired.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Just look at the goooose-eggs put up by the Sox pen….. They make me sick…

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Not to second-guess the Pudge trade — this post isn’t about that — but how important is lefty-righty matchups when Seay is the only guy in the bullpen who can consistently get guys out? I honestly just wanted him to close out the inning. Ramerez is a very good fast ball hitter. In my mind, pulling Seay for Farnsworth is a crap shoot.

We can second guess all day long, but Seay is the only guy I want to see pitching in late innings until the rest of these guys learn to locate their strikes and stop throwing meatballs

Dave BW August 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Hey, cameron, Farnsworth gives up HR’s better than ANY of those guys! He waas the final piece we needed

PHT in HK August 5, 2008 at 11:18 pm

This is really pathetic and depressing.

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm

I swear on the Fielders Bible this vile Sobbing Barber is still on the Yankee payroll and Pudge and Girardi and Cashman are all doing a shot together every time the Sobbing One unleashes the Please Hit Me Out Pitch, but the Sobbing Barber, though late it be, he catches right up to them within no time at all of his arrival back in Manhattan, and then if this isn’t a good time what is!?

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm

hey..on the bright side Farnsworth is a FA after the season.

Ryan in Brooklyn August 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm

So what’s in store for the 9th? I’m not sure I want to know…

Chris August 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm

“Farns has lost us two games now, in the three games he’s pitched. Awesome.”

Yea, but he pitched great last Saturday, when the Tigers were down by 6 runs……(%*%$#@&)

Mith August 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm

Great trade, DD!!!

PHT in HK August 5, 2008 at 11:20 pm

If I remember correctly, our host did mention Farnsworth’s habit of giving up the long balls when the trade was announced.

David G. August 5, 2008 at 11:20 pm

Well, we got Maggs up. I will consider that a victory. But still think we need two runs to tie this game up after 9.

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 11:21 pm

God give me a break. Two freakin stabs by uribe.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:22 pm

So does zumaya give up a jack here? Or is it the lots of walks prolonged “1000 cut” approach?

sky August 5, 2008 at 11:22 pm

Was it me or did that throw to 2nd to force Guillen seem to pull the guy who caught it about 2 feet off the bag?

David G. August 5, 2008 at 11:22 pm

I am going to have a hard time believing this replay if he’s actually out at 2nd. They cut to commerical that quick just to be able to Dr. it for Hawk’s irrational Homerish gushings.

JOE Z August 5, 2008 at 11:22 pm

THERE IS NO WAY LEYLAND AND THE COACHING STAFF ARENT FIRED AFTER THIS SEASON. THIS IS OUT OF HAND AND EMBARASSING. AFTER THE SEASON WE BETTER FIND SOME DANG ARMS SOMEWHERE TOO

Kevin in Austin August 5, 2008 at 11:22 pm

I’m pretty sure that after a play like that, the Sox are gonna win this game. Wow.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:22 pm

In the situations that require a good at-bat, Maggs always puts it in play on the first pitch. It’s ridiculous.

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 11:23 pm

I have tried to be an optimist lately. Really, I have.

There is no way this game gets to extra innings. I just can’t see it. And I promise that walks are involved.

David G. August 5, 2008 at 11:23 pm

Dang, he is out….

Mike in CT August 5, 2008 at 11:23 pm

who knows if he’d get through waivers, but actual contending teams might actually give up something (not sure what) for Seay the way he’s pitching.

RudeMood19 August 5, 2008 at 11:24 pm

I usually defend Leyland, but bringing Farnsworthless in was the dumbest move.

And that stab by Uribe in the 9th was unbelievable.

LIke, nothing goes our way, just like this season.

Cameron in Singapore August 5, 2008 at 11:24 pm

Forty,
I vote for the lots of walks slow death sort of process.

tomd August 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm

Don’t worry, it’s ok. Farnsworth’s on the mound again.

(This message to everyone here who’d like to go to bed early and avoid the spectacle of extra innings)

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm

Gather round my little children, and I’ll tell you the story of “Farnsworth and the Walk-Off Home Run.”

Travis August 5, 2008 at 11:26 pm

My money’s on Quentin.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:27 pm

So how come seay doesn’t get to pitch after getting three guys out but farnsworth gets to pitch the ninth after that debacle? And the two farns debacles in the previous games? Is that “demanding performance” jimmy?

He might be one of the worst managers in sport. What an epic, epic idiot.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:28 pm

Gonna be Quentin!

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 11:29 pm

I’ll take Dye beating us.

Kevin in Austin August 5, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Is there any question that Quentin goes yard here?

Travis August 5, 2008 at 11:30 pm

I like the Dye bet, too. Good call.

Kris August 5, 2008 at 11:30 pm

Complete suckage

A hot head who can’t pitch for a big head that couldn’t hit. On balance, the two v. one draft choice is the key loss.

Season is done, but very entertaining

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Wait no one is warming up? Wtf?

Brian P August 5, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Why even give Dye anything close to the plate? His run doesn’t matter. Go after Thome, please.

Travis August 5, 2008 at 11:34 pm

Wow. How did we get out Quentin and Dye? Unbelievable.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:34 pm

Ok nice job farnsworth?

Cameron in Singapore August 5, 2008 at 11:35 pm

Amazing…Farnsworth didn’t singlehandedly lose the game. He lost the lead, but not the game. He’ll need help to do that.

billfer August 5, 2008 at 11:35 pm

There are only 25 AL starters who have allowed more homers than Farnsworth. And yeah, they’re all starters.

Mike R August 5, 2008 at 11:35 pm

Kevin in Austin wrote:

Mike R – CJ Wilson’s night – walk, HBP, K, walk, grand slam. You think Fernando Rodney’s got anything on him?

Psh. Rodney could do that lefthanded. That’s nothing. Someone show these numbers to Rodney so he can out-do him tomorrow. I’m envisioning 1 hit, 3 walks, 1 K, 1 HBP in 0.2 IP while throwing 18 of his 34 pitches for strikes.

What’s that? That happened 2 days ago? Oh.

RudeMood19 August 5, 2008 at 11:37 pm

i called they tigers r gonna sweep and im sticknig by it

JOE Z August 5, 2008 at 11:37 pm

good stat: extra innings this season: tigers 3-6 white sox 5-2

Kris August 5, 2008 at 11:39 pm

El crookedo sombraro warming up…kids, get the popcorn ready.

Chris August 5, 2008 at 11:39 pm

Farnsworth allows a homer per every 3.1 innings pitched.

Perhaps he can pitch in the homerun derby next year.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:40 pm

I hope Hawk Harrelson dies of a heart attack right now.

“I gone.”

Travis August 5, 2008 at 11:41 pm

Man, Dotel is nasty…

ohiotiger August 5, 2008 at 11:42 pm

i’m going to bed… this game is a re-run. i’ll give you a hint: Rodney walks in the game winning run

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 11:42 pm

Adam: “I hope Hawk Harrelson dies of a heart attack right now.
“I gone.”

Haha nice disguise, Bloodthirsty Chris…not likely though, unless someone could talk him into stepping into the box vs Cupid.

sky August 5, 2008 at 11:42 pm

Harrelson is complaining about the strike zone for Tiger hitters as opposed to Sox hitters. Have you ever heard Mario do this?

THE GUY HAS NO BROADCAST CLASS AT ALL!

RudeMood19 August 5, 2008 at 11:43 pm

Hawk pisses me off. It’s beyond homer-ism, it’s almost to the point that every baseball team somehow bullied him in life, and the White Sox were some group of guys that saved his life. It’s really pathetic.

Travis August 5, 2008 at 11:43 pm

Oh no. Here comes F-bomb…

Mark in Chicago August 5, 2008 at 11:44 pm

ahhahahhahahhahahahaaa!!!

Rodney in. at least I can go to bed now.

Cameron in Singapore August 5, 2008 at 11:45 pm

Oooh man…Seeing the words on Gamechannel, “Rodney relieved Farnsworth.”
I mean, is that going from bad to worse? Or from worse to worst? Or from worst to worst? I just don’t know how to describe the feeling such a statement brings.

Kevin in Austin August 5, 2008 at 11:46 pm

Can someone clue me in on what they Sox TV guys are saying about Rodney, I can’t stand to listen…but I’m curious if they are packing up already and getting ready to head home.

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 11:48 pm

I have a theory. Leyland is trying to get Rodney DFA’d tonight.

Forty August 5, 2008 at 11:48 pm

I’d have preferred rodney over farns in the 8th…though I’d have preferred I dunno maybe BOBBY SEAY to both

Chris August 5, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Tiger’s have 8 blown saves since July 5th…… At that rate a team would accumulate 48 in a season.

That is miserable.

Mike R August 5, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Ken Griffey walk off? Nahhh, Rodney with the K is my guess.

Kris August 5, 2008 at 11:49 pm

And so it begins…

Kevin in Austin August 5, 2008 at 11:51 pm

Goodness Chris, if the Tigers just win 1/2 of those games…think of where we’d be…

Coleman August 5, 2008 at 11:53 pm

Ken Griffey was determined…he was not about to let it all end, not here, not this way, with the broken ribcage…

T Smith August 5, 2008 at 11:54 pm

Nothing in the dirt on 0-2, please

Brian in Tampa August 5, 2008 at 11:55 pm

Rodney is so frustrating because he has good stuff. This inning is proof of it. He is just not consistent enough right now.

Travis August 5, 2008 at 11:56 pm

F-bomb = Roller Coaster, Jr.

billfer August 5, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Well, there was good Rodney. That strike 3 pitch to Griffey was a beauty. It’s like he meant to throw it there.

Mike R August 5, 2008 at 11:56 pm

We must give Rodney his due. 13 strikes, 6 balls, 2 K’s and a BB in the inning.

Kevin in Austin August 5, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Ramirez had to throw his bat at that ball to make contact…

sky August 5, 2008 at 11:57 pm

Rodney looked like a first class relief pitcher that inning. He does show that he has the talent. If only he could be consistent and predictable with it!

Travis August 5, 2008 at 11:58 pm

A few great pitches there by Rodney. When he is on, he is a dominant relief pitcher.

Mike R August 5, 2008 at 11:58 pm

That fastball to strikeout griffey was 100.2 mph according to MLB gameday.

billfer August 5, 2008 at 11:58 pm

Speaking of wild things, 6 K’s and no walks for Dontrelle tonight. Ten hits allowed, but 3 were in his first inning, and 4 were in his last inning. From the 2nd through the 6th all he allowed was 3 singles.

Adam August 5, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Sooo…who’s catching? Sardine-head?

I mean, Brandon could have flied out to center like that.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 12:00 am

Nice grandy means no more dotel

Chris August 6, 2008 at 12:00 am

Yes, the Tigers are 1-5 in those games where they blew the last 7 save opportunities. If they would have converted those save opportunities, the Tiger record would be 60-51…..

1-1/2 games out of 1st place…..

billfer August 6, 2008 at 12:00 am

Did Inge get hurt on one of those foul balls last inning? You don’t pull your number 1 catcher for offense leading off an inning do you? (Serious question here, not soliciting Leyland incompetence cracks)

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:01 am

Cupid was out there with a full quiver.

I guess Cap’n Smokey is getting a bit sleepy and wants to end this, it looks like we just pulled the goalie…

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:02 am

That was a very peculiar move. I understand the thinking (Joyce has been hot in the last 6 weeks with good pop and RH vs. LHH), but I don’t really like it. I don’t hate it either.

Ken in Las Vegas August 6, 2008 at 12:03 am

We just have to win this. We lose, forget about a playoff run. With Minnesota losing, if we win, we can live to see another day. Pleaaassseeee

Brian P August 6, 2008 at 12:04 am

“You don’t pull your number 1 catcher for offense leading off an inning do you?”

If Inge catches the next two games, then I’m fine with that move. Dotel was throwing mostly fastballs, and Joyce can definitely hit fastballs.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:04 am

Quick… what were Inge’s numbers against Dotel? I doubt Joyce has had much of a look. That could be a reason.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:07 am

Ooof. Polanco had beef. That was outside.

Brian P August 6, 2008 at 12:08 am

Inge had no hits against Dotel… because he has zero plate appearances against him.

Not to sound Hawkish, but the strike zone is a bit large. For both sides.

Chris August 6, 2008 at 12:08 am

Matt Thornton….. Ozzy is throwing out one bullpen stud after another. The team is loaded….

This game is so lost….

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:08 am

Inge might give some useful tips to the Melancholy Dane for the next inning for handling the Red Bullpen. One idea worth trying: one catcher’s mitt on each hand. Because when the heat goes wild, there’s no time for the reaching over stuff.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:08 am

3 hits over the last 6 innings.

Raburn infield single, Guillen single, Renteria single.

No Maggs or Cabrera?

Upsetting.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:09 am

Chris, the best part about this is that Ozzy isn’t even managing! He’s suspended tonight. This game is being called by ghosts.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:10 am

Really? I’m surprised that Inge has no plate appearances against Dotel.

Mike in CT August 6, 2008 at 12:11 am

Spinning newspaper alert — Rodney’s ERA is under 6.00!

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:12 am

Not-Hawk just called Renteria “Enteria.”

As in, “You are now Enteria Fernando Rodney speed zone.”

Chris August 6, 2008 at 12:12 am

Yea, when you have a bullpen this good from top to bottom, you don’t need to manage the game.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 12:13 am

What a cruel season. Now Rodney is doing his best Rivera impression.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:13 am

Excellent outing by Fernando. He was lights out tonight.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:14 am

Inge and Joyce had actually quite comparable no-plate-appearances against Dotel. (Although Joyce: career 0 – for – The White Sox [0-5])

The other thing I don’t like about the move besides having my evening end hoping for a Renteria/Sardinha rally, is that now both Inge and Joyce are done for the day, and who knows how long this will go on…

And I’ll be damned but Cupid, he shoots the straight arrow this eve…

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 12:14 am

Rodney for CY YOUNG!

Tbone August 6, 2008 at 12:14 am

I’m still up. I’m not entirely certain why, but I’m still up.

Brian P August 6, 2008 at 12:15 am

99 on the black. I blame dome baseball for our woes.

Ryan in Brooklyn August 6, 2008 at 12:16 am

my laptop battery only has 11 minutes remaining. Please don’t make me go dig up the charger.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 12:16 am

Looks like we have ourselves another shutout inning streak going. Cabs goes yard here or we lose.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:17 am

Seriously, can SOMEONE see more than one pitch?

Maggs last two PA, two outs, two pitches seen.

STOP IT!

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:17 am

Kevinaustin: “Rodney for CY YOUNG!”

The night is yet young, and nobody knows where the wheel of fate will stop. But he could yet earn another Sigh Young.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:19 am

Game? Probably.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:19 am

Chris: What is encouraging, though, is that guys like Matt Thornton and whoever else the White Sox ran out of the bullpen last year (save for Jenks) they couldn’t throw strikes or get anyone out. I’m not a proponent of comparing this team to other teams from the past, but one thing that I do know is that bullpens are the most volatile component of a team in any sport in this country — you don’t know what you’re going to get. Matt Thornton has a WHIP of 1.509 last year in 56+ innings. This year he’s at 1.008.

I guess what I’m saying is that with a healthy Miggy next year (all year) and some guys reversing to their means (I’m looking at E-Rent if his option is picked up) and a bullpen reversal (not out of the question with the White Sox Pen posting 5.47 ERA and 1.605 WHIP while this year the WS Pen has posted 3.35 ERA and 1.288 WHIP.

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:19 am

Farnsworth screwed my day Sunday live and in person. Now he is screwing me out of sleep.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:20 am

Wry Inn in Brooklyn:

“my laptop battery only has 11 minutes remaining. Please don’t make me go dig up the charger.”

Dude, this one could have a whole charge cycle left before it ends

David G. August 6, 2008 at 12:22 am

Now Leyland is gonna have to chomp on beef and salad and blame the offense.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:22 am

B.I.T: “Farnsworth screwed my day Sunday live and in person. Now he is screwing me out of sleep.”

wow…I knew it was something though I could tell he hasn’t been focused on baseball…

Ryan in Brooklyn August 6, 2008 at 12:23 am

Yeah, Coleman, I’m plugged in now. I’m ready to see this through, for better or worse.

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:23 am

Thanks Coleman
Ha Ha

JOE Z August 6, 2008 at 12:24 am

adam and anyone else bashing maggs for swinging at the first pitch. pretty sure his 2nd in AL (hopefully finishing first again) and defending batting champ, knows what hes doing. regarding maggs, you dont get to have an opinion on his approach.

Chris August 6, 2008 at 12:24 am

Absolutely horrible at bats by both Guillen and Maggs. And what is Maggs doing swinging at the 1st pitch after Guillen got out on the 1st pitch…… FREAKEN GRIND IT OUT……. MAKE THE PITCHER WORK A LITTLE!!!!!!!

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:25 am

Wow. what a terrible K call on Thome.

T Smith August 6, 2008 at 12:25 am

I’m baffled.

Dylan August 6, 2008 at 12:25 am

Well Rodney has rebounded well. Maybe if we could score a run..

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:25 am

F-Rod looked great. Maybe we can get him a win.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 12:25 am

“Sheffield, Raburn, Sardinha”. Now That’s Funny. They might as well just list the next 3 Sox hitters up.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 12:25 am

Come on at this point Rodney is just padding his stats

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 12:26 am

Oh goodness, that was sick. Glad I got to watch.

Ryan in Brooklyn August 6, 2008 at 12:26 am

Wow. Rodney for 3 shut out innings. Whodathunkit?

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:26 am

The pitches that Guillen and Maggs swung at were both thigh high, down the middle. If they double on those pitches, no one says a word. But they didn’t. I’m fine with them swinging at a meatball coming in like that. They were poorly located.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:27 am

I hope they bring Thornton out for another inning because Inge has a .750 OBP against him. Oh wait, nevermind.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:28 am

Rodney stepped up huge tonight. How about a homerun to make it worthwhile?

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:28 am

Shut up Hawk you a-hole

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:30 am

I’m guessing Hawk was complaining about the strike zone — with good reason. That 2nd pitch to Gary was at the knees and called a ball.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 12:30 am

I like how each team’s announcer’s in succession laud their pitcher for a great performance against Sheffield. But don’t seem to acknowledge his YTD stats.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:31 am

Sardinha already used up his triple for the season, but if Raburn can put down another 2-base bunt, The Dane just might still have a double left in the tank somewhere…

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:31 am

He was begging for the long foul ball. Just foul. It was mashed.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:32 am

Who has Sardinha in the walk-off HR pool?

Edit: Doesn’t matter.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:33 am

God this sucks. And Joe Z, Maggs showed us last year he can bat almost .400. He can do better and we all know it. You’re not allowed to tell me when I’m not allowed to have an opinion.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:33 am

Too bad Sardinha and Raburn are in the game now with Inge out. That limits the choices to let Thames pinch hit because we need to keep them both in case of an injury. I wish I had thought of that when Joyce pinch hit for Inge. In retrospect, bad call.

Chris August 6, 2008 at 12:35 am

Thornton just untouchable… We have no shot as long as he is in the game pitching.

greg August 6, 2008 at 12:35 am

Sheffield’s bat looks considerably slower than earlier in the year to me. Down to average bat speed I’d say….not good.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:36 am

this game has turned into a game of chicken where we will trade long fouls and strikeouts back and forth until somebody makes a mistake and somebody else gets the W (7 – 6)

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:37 am

Maybe Swish can put us out of our misery.

Maybe he deserves it after what we did to his A’s in ’06.

T Smith August 6, 2008 at 12:37 am

And the Tigers have now been shut out for the last eight innings of White Sox pitching. Not so good.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:37 am

James Hoye got that one right on Swish.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:38 am

I want Miggy to extend his hit streak…how many innings do we have to play for that to happen?

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 12:41 am

If Uribe wins this game I may suffocate myself with a Paws doll.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:41 am

We’re Batman, and the White Sox are the Joker. Or is it the other way around. Hawk does call us “The Bad Guys.”

But then again he’s like the Penguin.

billfer August 6, 2008 at 12:42 am

I want Miggy to extend his hit streak…how many innings do we have to play for that to happen?

Hopefully just 14

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:42 am

hopefully we get the lead because Dolsi was wild in that inning (7 strikes, 5 balls) and none that were real borderline (and thanks to Ramirez/Uribe swinging at balls out of the zone) I don’t want him to be pitching with the game still tied.

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 12:42 am

Thank goodness.

T Smith August 6, 2008 at 12:42 am

I’m calling it. Renteria is going yard here.

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:43 am

Grandy sac bunt.

T Smith August 6, 2008 at 12:43 am

But I guess a basehit will do

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:44 am

E-Rent not bad today.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:44 am

“I’m calling it. Renteria is going yard here.”

I’m calling the ball doesn’t make it out the infield. Even money on his bat though.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:46 am

Why is Granderson taking so long to square around? He’s straight up sac bunting here, square up immediately. Don’t even mess with your batting stance.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:47 am

Can we not have our XBH machine bunt? Because he’s going to do that.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:48 am

NO WAY!

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:48 am

Oh wow! 1/3rd of Polanco’s homers coming in tonight’s game!

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:48 am

Holy crap. Polanco again. No way.

Joel in Seattle August 6, 2008 at 12:48 am

POLLY!!!

Kris August 6, 2008 at 12:48 am

Horrible bunt – failing to execute the little things continues to kill this team.

Edit – Pollypollypolly!!!

Ryan in Brooklyn August 6, 2008 at 12:48 am

POLLY!!!!!!

billfer August 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

I kid you not. I was just bringing up Polly’s page on b-r to find his last 2 homer game as he hit that. Coincidentally enough, it was this year against the Yankees – and the second came off of Kyle Farnsworth.

T Smith August 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

Polanco with 2 HR night. You can put on the board, yes!

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

POLANCO!!! 2 2-run home runs!

Joel in Seattle August 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

I think they should let Polanco pitch the bottom half of the inning. He deserves credit for winning the game.

Ryan in Brooklyn August 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

Hey Billfer, when was Polanco’s last home run with men on base? :)

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

That was very poor form on the bunt attempt. You absolutely cannot drop the bat head like that, especially against somebody throwing that kind of heat.

Way to pick up Grandy, Polly. That a boy.

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 12:50 am

I just joked up my Paws doll.

edit “Choked” but who gives a damn.

greg August 6, 2008 at 12:50 am

I hereby annoint Polanco the greatest Detroit Tiger of all time….

at least for tonight!

:-)

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:51 am

NOW we can use Zumaya.

greg August 6, 2008 at 12:51 am

T-Smith – LOL

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:51 am

Placiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiido!

It’s the Placido Po-Longball Show! Good night and drive safely

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 12:51 am

I would like a few more runs. Just to be safe.

billfer August 6, 2008 at 12:52 am

Hey Billfer, when was Polanco’s last home run with men on base? :)

Yesterday :)

Adam August 6, 2008 at 12:53 am

Aw, poor Miggy. But he had 6 chances.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:53 am

Po-longball. hahaha. Well done Coleman.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 12:53 am

It’s funny I was thinking after the Granderson bunting adventure “if we’re not going to out-execute them, we may need to out-slug them”

prayer answered!

Travis August 6, 2008 at 12:54 am

It’s really Zoomy’s game, now. He’s the last man standing out there in the pen.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:54 am

And the White Sox, gracious in defeat, do the gentlemanly thing and concede the bottom of the inning, and all shake hands and rehash the big plays of the game and vow to put on another good show tomorrow…

T Smith August 6, 2008 at 12:54 am

Presuming the Tigers hold on to win this one, Kyle Farnsworth’s preformance still puts our bullpen behind the eight ball for the final two games of this series.

Let’s hope Verlander gives us eight innings tomorrow.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 12:55 am

Let’s do it Zooms!

Greg in Albuquerque August 6, 2008 at 12:55 am

come on zoom! throw strikes. please.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:55 am

Oh great those poor losers are gonna make us pitch now i hope we make them pay for that tomorrow.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 12:56 am

Zoomacoaster?

Joel in Seattle August 6, 2008 at 12:56 am

Well, the Sox’ bullpen is equally behind said eight ball, if not more so. They’ve actually pitched an extra inning.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 12:57 am

Should we be fielderly indifferent here?

Joel in Seattle August 6, 2008 at 12:58 am

Just keep it down, Zoom…

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 12:59 am

Im more concerned about pitcherly indifference

Joel in Seattle August 6, 2008 at 12:59 am

So gamecast shows 7 fastballs thrown so far…

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 12:59 am

Hey. Here’s an idea: How about Joel Zumaya throws something OTHER than a fastball?

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:00 am

Freaking Quentin and his goofy crouch swing.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 1:00 am

Can I get an off-speed pitch please? Jesus…

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:00 am

Oh God. Hit ties, Homer wins.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 1:00 am

Dude just doesn’t strike guys out anymore.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 1:01 am

It’s 1-1 but should be 0-2 since the first pitch heater was at the knees.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:01 am

on the bright side – a fair amount of strikes…ending up in the outfield

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:01 am

Intentional walk?

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:02 am

Honestly, when was the last time Jermaine Dye hit a game winning homer after a clutch hit from Quentin?

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:02 am

if dye gets anything anywhere near the plate with runners on 2nd and 3rd somebody needs to finish out the season wearing a clown nose. unless its the kind of close to the plate where he is standing close to the plate and is saying ow on his way to 1st

Kris August 6, 2008 at 1:02 am

Excellent…the recipe is in order…a dash of hope followed by another crushing defeat.

I can’t stop watching

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 1:02 am

Pitch 3 was at the knees. Hoye has been giving the high strike and off the plate away to the pitcher all night. Anything down in the zone doesn’t get called.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:03 am

WOW

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 1:03 am

Nice play Rent-a-wreck.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 1:03 am

Season cannot end fast enough.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:03 am

DP?

greg August 6, 2008 at 1:04 am

more of the same from Edgar

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 1:04 am

Hawk wants contact. I say DP contact.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:05 am

who nominated edgar to the committee?

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:05 am

For the love of tito fuentes somebody just agree on what hurts on Renteria and DL him till about the middle of spring training.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 1:05 am

If we want to talk about someone’s bat that’s slowed down, it’s Jim Thomes. It’s like he’s swinging a redwood tree trunk.

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 1:05 am

Alright Zoom 1 more out please.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 1:05 am

“Dude just doesn’t strike anyone out anymore.”

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:05 am

nice joel, that’s a huge k. i guess throwing 99 does come with some benefits. HUGE AB coming up. let’s do it tigs.

Joel in Seattle August 6, 2008 at 1:06 am

ATTA BOY, JI

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:06 am

Swisher to get and we win.

Joel in Seattle August 6, 2008 at 1:06 am

JIM

David G. August 6, 2008 at 1:06 am

I hate this matchup, though.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:06 am

someday we all may be lucky enough to see the rarity of a pitcher charging the shortstop…his own…

Travis August 6, 2008 at 1:07 am

Come on Zoomy. Set Swish down like it’s ’06.

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 1:07 am

So I’m watching Grindhouse, has anyone out there seen this? I’m not quite sure what the plot is. Wait, it just ended.

David G. August 6, 2008 at 1:07 am

Just don’t tie it on a f’ing passed ball/wild pitch.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:08 am

holy christ

David G. August 6, 2008 at 1:08 am

Nice Season. Cut them all.

Brian in Tampa August 6, 2008 at 1:08 am

No F’N Way. I give up.

Dylan August 6, 2008 at 1:08 am

Season over.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:08 am

MOTHER OF GOD NO.

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 1:08 am

Ouch.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

Okay. I’ve detached myself from being emotionally wrapped up in games but this one just plain hurts like hell.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

david g be careful what you wish for :(

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

I think this might be a smart time for Dane to try the double-mitt approach

Tbone August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

Wow!

These Tiger losses get more and more spectacular with each passing game. This one was really impressive.

Joey the K in Portland OR August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

Its official, someone has cursed the bullpen. Unreal.

PHT in HK August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

Jones, Rodney, Zumaya . . . who would want the job?

Cameron in Singapore August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

You can’t be serious.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 1:09 am

Oh my God.

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 1:10 am

Sucks to lose, but it doesn’t hurt same that it did a few weeks ago. The Polanco theatrics were just short lived fun.

Ryan in Brooklyn August 6, 2008 at 1:10 am

oh god. season over (if it wasn’t already)

sad

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:10 am

Here’s the thing. NONE of our pitchers can pitch under pressure. THEY CAN ALL PITCH really well when there’s nothing at stake. As soon as it’s a SAVE SITUATION, people start to suck. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO IT IS.

IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO IT IS.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:10 am

Uhhhhhhh. Hey Beavis, this video sucks, so like, why do we keep watching it.

Yeah, sucks. hehe. hehe.

JML August 6, 2008 at 1:11 am

I think I need another mental health break from this team…

T Smith August 6, 2008 at 1:12 am

Can we please start swearing?

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:12 am

so how do we rank leyland, farnsworth, renteria, zumaya today? in order of blame deservingness?

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 1:13 am

What’s the most disappointing is that Nick Swisher golfed a bottom of the knee-cap high 99 MPH heater out to win it. It’s not even like he hung something belt high for him.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 1:13 am

That really hurts… Yet another nominee for worst loss of the season?

Kathy August 6, 2008 at 1:13 am

Flush Edgar down a toilet.

Mike R August 6, 2008 at 1:14 am

Farnsworth
Farnsworth
Farnsworth
Renteria
Farnsworth
Zumaya

In that order.

Forty August 6, 2008 at 1:14 am

at least todd jones is resting up for the stretch drive

mellerman August 6, 2008 at 1:14 am

So the sad saga continues…. NO PITCHING!!!!
Hats off to Rodney tonight.
This is so damn depressing.

Greg August 6, 2008 at 1:14 am

I don’t remember previous seasons having as many emotional, gut-wrenching losses as this season. It must really stress Bilfer’s rule about “not blogging while angry.”

greg August 6, 2008 at 1:14 am

Can’t expect to win if you give them 4 outs, not with a below average bullpen that often wilts under pressure.

Thanks Renteria.

Is there a stat for giving games away? There should be

Fed Up August 6, 2008 at 1:15 am

The Pudge/Farnsworth deal will be what we look back as the nail in the coffin of this season.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:15 am

I’d like to thank all my fans, my family, God, and most importantly, Sky.

For believing it would happen.

Jeff Molby August 6, 2008 at 1:16 am

Here we are at one of those critical junctures where if the Tigers lose, even the optimists have to call it a season.

Billfer was right. I was one of the relative optimists that hated all of the early season whining, but this was it right here. If they don’t have what it takes to win this game, they don’t have what it takes.

The bullpen, which is mediocre anyways, is absolutely shot. It’ll take a tremendous effort by a starter to salvage one game in this series.

Season over. Book it.

P.S. Here’s hoping we maintain some semblance of dignity.

Paul August 6, 2008 at 1:17 am

Nice play, Renteria…. nice season in fact, you pile of crap. That trade will bite us for YEARS.

This might be the worst bullpen I’ve ever seen in my years as a baseball fan. Not for the Tigers… FOR BASEBALL.

I’m so disgusted right now. At least when we were awful, these losses barely hurt… but as we feign contention, these are crushers… absolute crushers.

Pack it in, fellas… season’s over.

Brian P August 6, 2008 at 1:17 am

I crawled into bed after the Polanco home run, confident that it was over. I had to come back on to see everyone’s reaction.

*group hug*

Best of luck in ’09.

mellerman August 6, 2008 at 1:18 am

This season has set this organization back at least 2 to 3 years. This really sucks!! I love my Tigers and always will but this season has taken too much out of me. Go Lions!!

Leyland needs to say bye. Why take out Dolsi? Managers never go with their gut anymore. It is so by the book it is pathetic. I’m just soooo sick of it!

Joey the K in Portland OR August 6, 2008 at 1:18 am

I must have already hated the white sox as much as humanly possible, cuz I don’t hate them any more than I did at the start of the day.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:18 am

I’d better quietly go have a ham sandwich because I swear on Bill Madlock’s gut if Chief Smileyface comes by to explain how it’s still pretty likely the Tigers will win the division, one of us won’t make it back out of this blog…

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:19 am
Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 1:19 am

They’re not quite as painful as they were a few weeks ago. Really more spectacular now than anything.

Tater August 6, 2008 at 1:20 am

This Committee should be permanently adjourned.

Christie August 6, 2008 at 1:20 am

that was a pathetic display by a shortstop who might i add, cannot bat, as well as a pathetic display of pitching. can’t believe i’m saying this, but rodney was the best tonight. way to go zumaya and renteria. way to go.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 1:21 am

2009 Free Agent Relief Pitchers (from Cot’s Baseball Contracts)

Relief Pitchers
Jeremy Affeldt CIN
Tony Armas Jr. PIT
Luis Ayala WAS
Joe Beimel LAD
Joe Borowski CLE
Juan Cruz ARZ
Brendan Donnelly BOS
Scott Downs TOR
Alan Embree * OAK
Scott Eyre CHC
Kyle Farnsworth DET
Casey Fossum TB
Brian Fuentes COL
Aaron Fultz CLE
Tom Gordon * PHI
LaTroy Hawkins HOU
Mark Hendrickson LAD
Trevor Hoffman SD
Bobby Howry CHC
Jason Isringhausen STL
Steve Kline SF
Brandon Lyon ARZ
Damaso Marte * NYY
Tom Martin COL
Julio Mateo PHI
Guillermo Mota MIL
Will Ohman CHC
Hideki Okajima * BOS
Darren Oliver LAA
John Parrish SEA
Chris Reitsma SEA
Dennys Reyes MIN
Juan Rincon CLE
Francisco Rodriguez LAA
Brian Shouse MIL
Rafael Soriano ATL
Jorge Sosa NYM
Mike Stanton * CIN
Salomon Torres * MIL
Derrick Turnbow MIL
Oscar Villarreal ATL
David Weathers CIN
Dan Wheeler TB
Dave Williams NYM
Matt Wise NYM
Jay Witasick TB

Any interesting names to anyone? Time to open the pocket book a little wider, Uncle Mike…

Joey the K in Portland OR August 6, 2008 at 1:22 am

ok now I feel kinda sick.

greg August 6, 2008 at 1:24 am

The most unfortunate thing is the trade deadline has past so we can’t dump anyone and build for the future.

Paul August 6, 2008 at 1:24 am

Kevin, I’m in Austin, too… would you mind coming to shoot me?

Ken in Las Vegas August 6, 2008 at 1:24 am

Balls in my face, Tigers. Thank you for placing your sweaty balls in my face. I was already celebrating the fact that I had doubled my life savings. Do you know what one can do with $28.50 at some of the dives here in Vegas?

I’m no longer watching their games. I’ll check the boxscore to see who blew it, and then laugh maniacly while throwing ham sandwiches at the pedestrians from my porch.

Tony P August 6, 2008 at 1:26 am

Nice error by Edgar Gonorrhea. I’d refer to him as Edgar Diarrhea, but that implies the production of runs–something Edgar has done little of this year.

Adam August 6, 2008 at 1:26 am

Ok, Renteria made an error.

But he was also part of the two runs that scored at the top of the inning. Without his hit, Polanco’s home run isn’t going to be enough anyway.

JOE Z August 6, 2008 at 1:27 am

Here we are at one of those critical junctures where if the Tigers lose, even the optimists have to call it a season.

—- it is true.

barring some massive run, probably shadowing the rockies of last season, this season is doomed.

what a pathetic loss.

adjust August 6, 2008 at 1:27 am

omg get rid of zumaya already!!!!1 and i’d drop cabrerra while its hot too, i’m still not buying the hype. time for a fire sale in the over hyped department.

Joey the K in Portland OR August 6, 2008 at 1:28 am

crap seattle came back to win beat the twinkies too. woulda been nice to pick up a game on both the WSux and Twins.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:28 am

That is an excellent list and I swear there won’t be a team that escapes the stunning awe when they see them all go start warming up in the 7th and the first season especially will be unprecedented because we could almost make the all star game without ever using the same closer twice.

But I worry after Illitch empties his wallet for the pitchers…I mean it is no joke at all what it is going to cost him in bullpen catchers.

PHT in HK August 6, 2008 at 1:29 am

A bad night for Motown. A crushing loss in the game tonight and it seems like the mother of the Thug Mayor is going to keep her job. Bottom line – no accountability for anything these days.

ron August 6, 2008 at 1:30 am

That was brutal.

Jim August 6, 2008 at 1:30 am

In his post game Leyland for a second just looked off into space…The man just looks like utter defeat.

Kevin in Austin August 6, 2008 at 1:31 am

Paul – I’ll be at Union Park tomorrow night drinking until I finish my letter to Leyland entitled “How many 5 year olds can you take in a fight but still be out-managed by them?” Feel free to join me.

Paul August 6, 2008 at 1:33 am

adjust, I’m in full-blown irrational, pissed-off, would-like-to-break-something mode, but please don’t pretend that Miggy isn’t an amazing hitter. It took him a bit to adjust to the much better league, but he’s been amazing of late. Even during his “struggling” period, he was one of the best hitters around.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 1:34 am

I’d love to pluck Marte, Howry, Okajima, Wheeler, and K-Rod off that list and throw Olde English D’s on their chests. I guess that’s not reality, unfortunately. This is going to sting for a while.

Interesting comments by Leyland. I can’t believe I am saying this, but I am sorry that we all took the time Todd Jones spent here as our closer (both stints) for granted. Good night.

Coleman August 6, 2008 at 1:36 am

Melancholy Ken in Last Vagrants:

I think you should try to talk to a counselor or close friend or a man of the cloth, (I think that’s the right term for the fashion designer?) because it is a very troubling sign of dark times coming spiritually, when one begins to think of throwing the ham sandwich off the porch and to have that thought and to have none of the human feeling at all where you realize how much you would give to have even the half of the sandwich back to acquaint with your mouth.

Also: that ball-face thing.

Joey the K in Portland OR August 6, 2008 at 1:36 am

If we’re gonna lose, just lose. How much more of THIS kind of losing can our collective hearts take?!

ron August 6, 2008 at 1:45 am

Coleman, you are a funny guy. A lot of your stuff goes over my head , but that duck hunter remark made me laugh out loud. I just figured what lol means.

Paul August 6, 2008 at 1:47 am

Oh and the worst part is I wanted to get to bed early tonight because I was absolutely wiped out after work today. Might as well go back to being shutout time & again instead of delaying it like tonight…

Chris August 6, 2008 at 1:49 am

Wow, Tigers now have 9 BLOWN SAVES since July 5th– exactly one month ago today– 5 of them in the past week. The Tigers were 1-6 in those games……. This is the most painful stretch of missed opportunities that I could have imagine. If they could have converted all of those saves the Tigers would be at 61-51, just a half game back of the Sox. It is time for a massive bullpen overhaul.

On a positive note: this could serve as a motivation to make as big of a push to improve the bullpen as possible. And it is also time to give up on both Rodney and Zumaya being middle relief aces. They have the stuff, but are tooooooooo inconsistent.

adjust August 6, 2008 at 1:55 am

paul, i feel where you’re coming from, but i’ve been thinking about this for a while, tonight i just finally actually said it out loud. i think it was an over priced mistake, for the tigers specifically, not that he isn’t an incredible hitter, i just think the cash could have been better spent elsewhere for the team. pitching, pitching, and more pitching. it’s like buying a fancy hood ornament for a beater car.

beyond that, i feel bad for him for this crap we’re surrounding him with. I like to see great players achieve great things, and being a part of the means is where the action is. unfortunately, the tigers are not the vehicle at the moment, feels like were on our way down again and its a bad time for a superstar to try and save a team.

definitely not dissing the good man, not meant to be taken that way. those are just two big moves i would make if i were shaking up the roster.

judpma August 6, 2008 at 2:44 am

if Renteria starts tomorrow I want in on the Fire Leyland campaign
If Robertston starts another game I want in on the Fire Leyland campaign
If Inge and is .215 starts tomorrow at catcher I want in on the Fire Leyland campaign
if….
if….
if…..

Chris August 6, 2008 at 2:51 am

This is the season of the gut-wrenching loss. Here, I felt compelled to make a list of them:

May 4th at Minnesota, 6-7 — Goats: Guillen (costly error), Miner & Entire Batting lineup

May 16th at Arizona, 4-3 — Goats: Guillen (costly error) & Miner

May 28th at LA Angels, 3-2 — Goat: Cruceta

June 4th at Oakland, 4-5 — Goat: Rentaria (0-5 w/ 10 LOB)

June 17th at San Francisco, 6-8 — Goat: Rodney

July 5th at Seattle, 2-3 — Goat: Rodney

July 10th vs Minnesota, 6-7 — Goat: Jones

July 20th at Baltimore, 10-11 — Goat: Zumaya

July 25th vs ChiSox, 5-6 — Goat: Jones

August 3rd at Tampa, 5-6 — Goats: Farnsworth & Rodney

August 5th at Chisox, 8-10– Goats: Farnsworth & Renteria.

Amanda August 6, 2008 at 4:22 am

Jeepers! I’m getting ready for work and watching the replay on FSN, it’s the top of the 5th inning, the Tigers are ahead 5-1 yet not being able to & unable to wait to the end of the game I flip over to ESPN where they’re scrolling the scores across the bottom of the screen to see that we lost 10-8? How does that happen? What a horrible way to start the day. I’ll bbl to read the blogs of this tragedy :(

David August 6, 2008 at 6:32 am

Can anyone explain to me how Garry $ head is still on the team?

It is August…

He’s our DH and has a lower slugging % than everyone with more than 40 AB not named Jones or Rentaria…

Is hitting .226

Is still taking massive cuts at the ball

I have never seen him choke up on the bat, I have never seen him try to lay down a bunt, I have never seen him TRY TO go to the opposite field

I have not seen him do anything to try to be a run producer (besides the rare walk)

He is a cheater,and piece of scum, he should have never been traded for and should have been booted off the team months ago, or traded for Farnsworth to be back in NY where he belongs

HE IS HITTING .226 AS A DESIGNATED HITTER IN AUGUST!!!

I WOULD RATHER SEE ANY AAA PLAYER IN HIS SPOT

The sad thing is he thinks he is good, and when he hits a HR it he thinks it validates him for a month.

BTW Y IN DEH HECK IS LEYLAND SO CAREFUL WITH SEAY, EFF EXPLOITING THE LEFTY-LEFTY MATCHUP, I SAY GET YOUR MONEYS WORTH OUT OF OUR ONE AWESOME RELIEVER, OR BRING UP SOME GOOD AAA STARTERS IF OURS ARE ONLY GOING TO LAST 5/6 INNINGS

Ryan P August 6, 2008 at 7:57 am

Glad I didn’t stay up for that one. I hope nobody from the bullpen is back next year except for Seay. Nate can go waste his huge contract in the ‘pen, too.

What a joke.

Joe August 6, 2008 at 8:09 am

Let me try to be the voice of reason. First, I love the Tigers even though this season is draining! Now, they are not that far away. Not this year but next. As I said before, we cannot give up on Rodney or Zumaya. They have potential, but I agree its tough to swallow right now. Someday, they are someones closer -both of them. We must trade one of our big hitters for a proven starter. That means anyone-Polanco, Guillen, Ordonez, Cabrera, Grandy for a #1 starter. If not, sign a free agent. Thats what we have of value that other teams might want. We must not panic with our bullpen-believe me, next year it will be much better. This year our potential closers have All been significantly injured. Give them 1 more year. Jones- I’m not sure about but he is a great guy in the clubhouse + he will work his butt off. We could also use a catcher + SS but theres not much out there better than what we now have. We cant keep booing our closers and then get mad when they keep failing.

Scott August 6, 2008 at 8:10 am

hey, last night was a “moral victory”….our bullpen only walked 2 guys…… :-(

Ryan P August 6, 2008 at 8:24 am

Why do people keep mentioning trading Cabrera or Granderson, I just don’t get it.

Honestly, we have to do more than just trade for one starter in the offseason. We need to obtain (don’t care how) at least two GOOD starters and one GOOD bullpen arm, maybe a closer. Yeah Illitch, I’m looking at you – you’ve forked over the money before, you can ante up for K-Rod. I don’t care how much he costs.

Travis August 6, 2008 at 8:29 am

John Lackey, Ben Sheets, CC Sabathia, Derek Lowe, and Brad Penny are all free agents next year. I’d rather see us take a serious run at one of them than trade a big name out of our lineup.

Anson August 6, 2008 at 9:30 am

Glad to see the ham sandwich trade is still being regreted, DD should have moved on it when he had the chance. As for next season, we just need to get pitchers. We need at least one amazing starter and a closer. I say let Ramon try SS, he’s better defensively and offensively then the ham sandwich. I think Inge is coming back as our catcher, despite so many people being against this. Finally, it would be nice to dump Shef, so we could let some of the kiddies play but I don’t see it happening any time soon.

Dave BW August 6, 2008 at 9:45 am

Apparently they have decided to end the season with a collapse. Good for them.

Kurt August 6, 2008 at 9:47 am

I am seriously growing allergic to August baseball. I’m going to start cringing every July 31 the rest of my life.

MCM August 6, 2008 at 9:53 am

Looking on the bright side, I’ve got my evenings back. No more stolen evenings, rooting for a losing team that finally put the nail in the coffin last night. I’ll get more sleep and spend more time and attention on my family. Bless you Tigers. B-Bye Leyland. B-Bye Jonesy.

Palmcroft August 6, 2008 at 10:00 am

That loss was just a fluke, it was not a loss in keeping with the rest of the avalanche-just-burried-momma-and-the-dogs losses that we’ve had this month. Zumaya made a good pitch, shin flippin’ high. Only a lucky swing goes and gets that one, a lucky swing or Vlad G., and Swish ain’t no Vlad, so it’s just a fluke. That stuff happens. Just a fluke.

Just a fluke. Just a fluke. Just a fluke. Just a fluke. Just a fluke. Just a fluke. Just a fluke. Just a fluke. Just a fluke.

Matt August 6, 2008 at 10:15 am

Actually, given the recent performance of the bullpen, that loss was NOT a fluke.

If the bullpen had actually held a lead and finished out a game, THAT would be a fluke.

But giving up homeruns in the late inning to blow the lead and lose the game? Sorry, but right now that’s the norm.

Chris in Dallas August 6, 2008 at 10:18 am

Oh Holy Hell indeed.

Andre in Chi August 6, 2008 at 10:50 am

I was hoping to make it into the 15th or 16th innings…which I considered a safe-zone assuming that we would have gotten past our bullpen and started using position players as pitchers.

The loss was only disorienting in that Rodney wasn’t the one that effed us big-time. Farnsworth and Renteria…classic.

Props to Swish for immediately causing me to face-plant after my observation that he’d probably have more luck hitting ‘Maya batting righty.

My apologies to all for jinxing the game.

Chris in Dallas August 6, 2008 at 11:09 am

That Farnsworth trade was pure genius. If the goal was to move up in the draft, that is.

ron August 6, 2008 at 11:33 am

Don’t feel sorry for Maggs. It’s about the money, not the glory.

ron August 6, 2008 at 11:35 am

Leyland, looking off into space. I’ve seen that look before.

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 11:37 am

Tight game, tough loss. What can you say? I’m just glad Marcus didn’t strike out. Or did he?

My, what a fun bunch here. I’m putting the following together for some reduced-scrolling smiles and chuckles. Join me.

GOOD STUFF

Obviously we know what Amanda does for a living. Which is cool, since I’ve never known anyone who was a professional duck hunter before.

Anyone else smell a 3-run homer?

It’s amazing how much double plays smell like 3-run homers.

Actually I think it sometimes works in our favor when there’s a guy on 2nd, especially if he moves around a lot, because sometimes that helps keep Edgar awake.

actually Edgar and Inge batting bachck to back kills only one rally…if they were spread out they could kill 2

Man, with Gavin getting better each inning and Nate getting worse, I’m starting to seriously regret putting my life savings on this game. That’s going to be $14.25 sorely missed.

And with that, Inge’s BA falls to a nerdy .219. He must feel like quite the man prancing around the clubhouse in his Peter Pan tights with half a ham sandwich.

Nates best friend is the four days he doesn’t start

“And now we get to see the future hall of famer. And griffey is up too.”

Are you really claiming that Nate Robertson is a future hall of famer. I mean, ok ok you have an argument, but definitely not first ballot.

if you had ever read the chronicles of the famous prancing gender-neutral sprite, you would know it is a vegetarian creature that would never let the salty-good but meaty with pigflesh ham dangle from its child-lips.

problem with Renteria’s hit is that will guarantee him in the lineup for the rest of August

I agree that it’s the only possible explanation. I propose Renteria’s official nickname be “Gratitude.”

Detroit going to Kansas City and (I quote) “blowing the goats”.

KILV (oh now I get it, you’re a TV station, I’m a bit slow to catch on sometimes):

Another DP – Nato’s balls must be heavy this evening.

Nate does realize the majority of MLB pitchers do actually like pitching with multi-run leads, right?

I like it that so many of the Tigers seem like nice guys, but to me it doesn’t seem appropriate to go easy on this pitcher just because he is Amish

Honestly sky, have you EVER expected the Tigers to win this year regardless of the score?

Kyle Farnsworth is like the Marcus Thames of pitchers.

It was weird, I had this nightmare that we traded a first-ballot hall of fame catcher for Kyle Farnsworth. No one would be that stupid, right?

If you can possibly detach yourself (and just accept that we’re watching a Texas Ranger team of the Midwest night in, night out) this is actually quite comical.

Perhaps he’s the Yankee Manchurian Candidate, programmed to destroy what little threat Detroit was as a wild card. Or even revenge for 2006.

I have a theory. Leyland is trying to get Rodney DFA’d tonight.

Sooo…who’s catching? Sardine-head?

Well, there was good Rodney. That strike 3 pitch to Griffey was a beauty. It’s like he meant to throw it there.

B.I.T: “Farnsworth screwed my day Sunday live and in person. Now he is screwing me out of sleep.”

wow…I knew it was something though I could tell he hasn’t been focused on baseball

“regarding maggs, you dont get to have an opinion on his approach.”

You’re not allowed to tell me when I’m not allowed to have an opinion.

“Hey Billfer, when was Polanco’s last home run with men on base?”

Yesterday

And the White Sox, gracious in defeat, do the gentlemanly thing and concede the bottom of the inning, and all shake hands and rehash the big plays of the game and vow to put on another good show tomorrow…

Hey. Here’s an idea: How about Joel Zumaya throws something OTHER than a fastball?

on the bright side – a fair amount of strikes…ending up in the outfield

if dye gets anything anywhere near the plate with runners on 2nd and 3rd somebody needs to finish out the season wearing a clown nose.

Excellent…the recipe is in order…a dash of hope followed by another crushing defeat. I can’t stop watching

If we want to talk about someone’s bat that’s slowed down, it’s Jim Thomes. It’s like he’s swinging a redwood tree trunk.

Uhhhhhhh. Hey Beavis, this video sucks, so like, why do we keep watching it.

Yeah, sucks. hehe. hehe.

Can we please start swearing?

at least todd jones is resting up for the stretch drive

I’d like to thank all my fans, my family, God, and most importantly, Sky. For believing it would happen.

I’d better quietly go have a ham sandwich because I swear on Bill Madlock’s gut if Chief Smileyface comes by to explain how it’s still pretty likely the Tigers will win the division, one of us won’t make it back out of this blog…

They’re not quite as painful as they were a few weeks ago. Really more spectacular now than anything.

Kevin, I’m in Austin, too… would you mind coming to shoot me?

Paul – I’ll be at Union Park tomorrow night drinking until I finish my letter to Leyland entitled “How many 5 year olds can you take in a fight but still be out-managed by them?” Feel free to join me.

ron August 6, 2008 at 11:52 am

For a change of pace; we win the next two and Twins lose one, we’re 5 and a half out with 48 to play. And, what’s with Texas?

Dave BW August 6, 2008 at 11:55 am

Ugh is it really almost time for another game already? Good god, Tigers, mercy is a virtue.

Andre in Chi August 6, 2008 at 12:07 pm

No Dave, “mercy” is a hawkism…now go sit in the corner till you’ve learned your lesson.

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 12:25 pm

“If people don’t start stepping it up, you got to go in different directions,” said the visibly frustrated Tigers skipper. “Whether it’s calling people up [from Triple-A Toledo] or making other changes.”

“This is not some kind of a threat. I really like this team. But you got to do better. I can’t keep putting them in the lineup or giving them the ball to pitch.”

These quotes aren’t from May. They come prior to Game 111. Put them in the context of what has happened in 2008, especially the first 2 months. This will illustrate why I would rather not see Leyland back for 2009.

Leyland has been and can be a good manager. I don’t dislike him (and why would I?). But there’s a reason why a manager’s record is the same as the team’s record. Curtis Granderson is not 55-57. Justin Verlander and Todd Jones are not 55-57. Gary Sheffield and Edgar Renteria are not 55-57. Jim Leyland is 55-57. His worst moves have been more damaging than his best ones have improved the team, in my view. I don’t believe for a second that he is motivating any veteran in that clubhouse anymore. They’ll pay him lip service, but he might as well be phoning it in from Pennsylvania.

You don’t wait 110 games to make it clear (more like “claim” or “idly threaten”) that performance will equal playing time. You just don’t. Illitch and Dombrowski, don’t risk this happening again in 2009.

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Andre coming on strong in the postgame!

Andre in Chi August 6, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Well, I dunno about that…

I feel kinda bad, I’ve noticed I tend to post a lot more when we lose…but then again, we do it in ways that force me to use this blog as therapy.

I’m at a crossroads, of the two remaining games I would have much rather gone to see JV pitch, but I already did that once earlier this year, and we lost that one. After last nights jinx…I dunno if I can risk endangering the teams good chances of winning the division :)

Mark in Chicago August 6, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Andre,

I can only imagine what you went through last night and this morning with your roommate. I imagine he was that body they found in the dumpster in Oak Park.

Chris in Dallas August 6, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Sometimes it really takes a Herculean effort of self restraint to not post a string of f-bombs on this site after a game like that one. Really.

Palmcroft August 6, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Guys, Rodney looked great and fully corrected. He is gifted pitcher and could be a big help over the next six weeks. Zumaya did not throw a bad pitch to end it, he looked a little rough in the 14th, but not completely ineffectual; and Gratitude was not his friend. Zumaya remains part of our excellent core, I think.

Robertson, however, is done. Money or no money, get him gone. Farnsworth, as we all know, is a mop-up pitcher. That’s fine, just don’t use him when we’re in a close game.

Get Bonine back up here to replace Robertson in the rotation. Let Robertson work on being another 1-2 atbat lefty out of the bullpen. Pray Porcello is ready in March ’09 instead of July of ’09.

Imagine, DD looked at Robertson/Rogers/Minor at the trade deadline and said to himself “We’re standing pat, our staff will get us to the playoffs.”

ron August 6, 2008 at 2:04 pm

Sean C. thanks.

Anson August 6, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Where is Chief Monday the games been over for 12+ hours? I want to hear his comical/optimistic opinions. They actually make me feel a little better. But only in the way that smashing someones hopes and dreams does.

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 2:28 pm

“Sean C. thanks.”

You’re not alone, Ron. Meet me and Mike R under his railroad trestle at 0400 hours tomorrow morning. The People’s Revolution shall be heard from! Soon the floors of Czar Illitch’s palace will run red, and the newly liberated Comrade Miguel will carry about a new Skull-On-A-Stick-Friend named Jimmuh.

Andre in Chi August 6, 2008 at 3:11 pm

I’m going to the game on Thursday, anyone else?

Billfer, it probably wouldn’t be cold, but I could FedEx you a beer.

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:20 pm

It appears to me that the 2008 Tigers’ finest hour (so far*) was June 7 – July 30, when they went 31-16. I’ll be posting some individual stats for this period.

CURTIS GRANDERSON

47 GAMES, .362/.433/.541 = .974 OPS, 4 HR 18 RBI 39 R, 21 BB in 185 AB

* Just for you optimism junkies out there.

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:23 pm

JUSTIN VERLANDER JUNE 7 – JULY 30

9 GAMES, 59 IP, 1.13 WHIP, 52 K, 20 BB, .606 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:25 pm

TODD JONES JUNE 7 – JULY 30

22 GAMES, 20 IP, 1.75 WHIP, 5 K, 5 BB, .864 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:27 pm

PLACIDO POLANCO JUNE 7 – JULY 30

44 GAMES, .340/.360/.436 = .796 OPS, 2 HR 21 RBI 30 R

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:28 pm

KENNY ROGERS JUNE 7 – JULY 30

10 GAMES, 66 IP, 1.40 WHIP, 20 K, 17 BB, .790 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:30 pm

FREDDY DOLSI JUNE 7 – JULY 30

19 GAMES, 21 IP, 1.50 WHIP, 7 K, 9 BB, .726 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:31 pm

CARLOS GUILLEN JUNE 7 – JULY 30

42 GAMES, .268/.370/.414 = .784 OPS, 4 HR 23 RBI 33 R, 25 BB in 157 AB

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:32 pm

ARMANDO GALARRAGA JUNE 7 – JULY 30

10 GAMES, 60 IP, 1.25 WHIP, 43 K, 16 BB, .705 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:33 pm

BOBBY SEAY JUNE 7 – JULY 30

16 GAMES, 17 IP, 1.21 WHIP, 20 K, 8 BB, .699 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:35 pm

MAGGLIO ORDONEZ JUNE 7 – JULY 30

32 GAMES, .333/.362/.500 = .862 OPS, 5 HR 24 RBI 15 R

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:42 pm

NATE ROBERTSON JUNE 7 – JULY 30

10 GAMES, 56 IP, 1.68 WHIP, 33 K, 17 BB, .898 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:43 pm

CASEY FOSSUM JUNE 7 – JULY 30

13 GAMES, 19 IP, 1.47 WHIP, 14 K, 8 BB, .726 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:46 pm

MIGUEL CABRERA JUNE 7 – JULY 30

46 GAMES, .326/.359/.567 = .926 OPS, 11 HR 45 RBI 26 R

The guy was a machine. Holy-moley.

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:47 pm

FERNANDO RODNEY JUNE 7 – JULY 30

17 GAMES, 18 IP, 1.53 WHIP, 18 K, 13 BB, .732 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:49 pm

GARY SHEFFIELD JUNE 7 – JULY 30

28 GAMES, .248/.308/.431 = .739 OPS, 5 HR 17 RBI 10 R, 23 K/9 BB in 109 AB)

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:51 pm

JOEL ZUMAYA JUNE 7 – JULY 30

16 GAMES, 19 IP, 1.81 WHIP, 18 K, 17 BB, .755 OPS AGAINST

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 3:53 pm

MARCUS THAMES JUNE 7 – JULY 30

38 GAMES, .260/.315/.649 = ..964 OPS, 15 HR 27 RBI 24 R, 48 K in 131 AB

Sean C. in Illinois August 6, 2008 at 4:03 pm

MATT JOYCE JUNE 7 – JULY 30

25 GAMES, .342/.405/.711 = 1.116 OPS, 5 HR 15 RBI 16 R, 19 K in 76 AB

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