Game 54: Tigers at Mariners

by billfer on May 30, 2008 · 155 comments

in 2008 Season,Game Post,Uncategorized

PREGAME: Good old game 54. The one-third mark of the season. Yeah.

The Tigers journey to Seattle to take on the Mariners. Seattle snapped a 7 game losing streak when they took the last 2 games against Boston.

Detroit will face Carlos Silva who they bludgeoned to the tune of 7 runs in 4.1 innings when they faced him in Detroit. Things didn’t get better in his next start when he also allowed 7 runs to the Yankees.

Taking the mound for the Tigers is Nate Robertson. His last start came in the 19-3 drubbing of the Twins. His quality start in the effort was the start of one full turn through the rotation with quality starts for all.

Robertson’s last start in Safeco was in September 2006 when he pitched 7 innings and allowed 1 run.

DET @ SEA, Friday, May 30, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

POSTGAME: I love Carlos Silva. Another 7 run outing, this one didn’t even last an inning for him. Of course the Tigers didn’t score after that first inning, but it proved to be more than enough.

Robertson allowed his typical 4 runs. Rod Allen said in the postgame show that Nate was battling an illness picked up after leaving LA.

The bullpen was nearly flawless for 2.1 innings with a double off Freddy Dolsi being the only blemish. Zach Miner and Todd Jones threw 1-2-3 innings with Miner dropping his ERA under 6.

Leyland managed this pretty aggressively at the end with Clete Thomas coming in to play left, Pudge moving behind the plate, and Inge moving to third.

 
 

{ 155 comments }

Joey the K in Portland OR May 30, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Leaving Portland now to go see our boys tonight (thru sun). Lets go Tigs!

Joel in Seattle May 30, 2008 at 5:27 pm

I’ll be at the park tomorrow! Woot!

Dave BW May 30, 2008 at 5:37 pm

10:10? The West Coast needs to just acknowledge they made a mistake and knock off this Pacific Time nonsense.

Chris in Dallas May 30, 2008 at 5:49 pm

Awesome. I get to be annoyed by that freaking train for the next 3 games…

Sam May 30, 2008 at 5:53 pm

Since August 1, 2006, the Tigers have a 17-34 record in Nate Robertson started games.

8/1/2006> 3-8
2007 > 11-19
2008 > 3-7

-Sam

Kyle J May 30, 2008 at 6:25 pm

His quality start in the effort was the start of one full turn through the rotation with quality starts for all.

And just a 2-3 record to show for it!

$#%&#@!@#$#*^%@!!!!

Still a good sign in terms of fundamental performance, though.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Why is that everyone on this site brings up stats? Can’t I just feel it my gut, you know, the truthiness of it.
Don’t bring me down with your crazy new fangeld statistics. We’re on a streak (1 game so far), ride the momentum. Go Tigers. BTW, Brinkman was a great hitting SS, I just feel that in my gut.

Joel in Seattle May 30, 2008 at 6:34 pm

Chris:

Believe me… it’s more annoying when it’s 100 yards behind you.

But far worse is that “wha-oh-a-oh-a-oh” song that they play whenever the Mariners make a good play. It’s the very definition of “adding insult to injury.”

Chris in Dallas May 30, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Neal: That was a very gritty post. Totally clutch. I can almost see the intangibles emanating from the screen here. You, sir, are a gamer.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Do you think we could persuade Toronto to part with Eck?? True gamer, gritty, etc., everything you could want in a SS.
Well, except for range, arm, or bat, but otherwise he’s great.

Joel in Seattle May 30, 2008 at 6:44 pm

Neal:

We could get Erstad to play LF. That guy oozes grit. Did you know he played football in college? :)

Neal May 30, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Wow, is he the guy who was punter? He would fit in with our infield, kicking balls everywhere.

tiff May 30, 2008 at 6:49 pm

I’m with Dave, the 10:10 is killer. And very ungritty.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 6:50 pm

We could get the all grit team together and trade for Grilli and we would ooze chemistry. Like the 03 Tigers but with chemistry, so we would difinitely win.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Did you know he played football in college?

Not only that, but I hear he used to play baseball, too.

Joel in Seattle May 30, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Nice ones, Neal and Sean. Can you guys keep this up for another 3 hours until the game starts? I’m still at work…

Mark in Chicago May 30, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Grit is all well and good, but we need GRINDERS like Aaron Rowand and Joe Crede. In fact, the White Sox are the model franchise with their low OBP, giving away outs, and potty-mouth manager.

I say we trade everyone for AJ Pierszinski, Crede, and the corpse formerly known as Jim Thome. We can filll in with minor leaguers around them, after getting those guys it won’t matter.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Joel

I’ll do what I can. I do have some material to unload before it gets old and untimely, and before the series starts and there’s serious baseball talking to be done.

Mark

A “grinder’ is a sandwich somewhere, right? All of a sudden I’m hungry for an Italian beef. And I’m trying to go vegetarian. Thanks.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 7:32 pm

You start with the manager, our’s smokes too much to be able to say enough stupid things to get the grinders going. I think if we can just starting making a few more outs and Leyland can put down the smokes and start with some insane rants, we’ll be in first by July 4th.

Kyle J May 30, 2008 at 7:34 pm

To go with the gritty guys and the grinders, how about some pitchers that know hot pitch to the score? And by “the score,” I mean “the projected score after the bullpen takes over for them.”

Joel in Seattle May 30, 2008 at 7:37 pm

We just need to get rid of the base-cloggers on the team. Nothing more irritating than base-clogging.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 7:38 pm

When can Jack Morris take over as the pitching coach?

Neal May 30, 2008 at 7:42 pm

Mark and Joel, you’re so right, Maggs doesn’t make enough outs, clogs the bases, and can’t be gritty or a grinder with his hair. He has to go if we want an all grinder team.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 7:52 pm

Tiger off days, unfortunately, provide the dark and damp conditions that encourage the growth of song parodies. I have two partials that anyone is free to help me out with, though I’m also content to let them stand as stunted mutants only hinting at further silliness.

First, a take on Foreigner’s “Star Rider” entitled “Ex-Tigers”:

Ex-Tigers (Tigers, Tigers)
Traded them for Gar
Ex-Tigers (Tigers, Tigers)
Show me where they are
Losses mounting, all control
Is in the hands of those who blow
Will they ape Jacque Jones
And one day be Ex-Tigers?

Next, a nod to the Rolling Stones with “Sympathy For The Sheffield”:

Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m the man they call DH
I told the skip I could play left field
Laid many of Jim’s plans to waste

cib May 30, 2008 at 7:55 pm

Nice work, Sean.
Actually the late game works for me tonight, my son is at a prom and I have to pick him up from the after-party so I’ll be up pretty late.

Mark in Chicago May 30, 2008 at 7:57 pm

Yeah, good call on the base clogging, we have way too many guys that are hurting the offense because they’re slow.

How the hell are we supposed to score any runs with these guys on base ALL THE TIME??!?

Neal May 30, 2008 at 8:07 pm

Where is the next Dave Kingman? He didn’t clog the bases, oh, to have Rob Deer again. They made a lot of outs, so doesn’t that mean there were gritty grinders.

Mark in Chicago May 30, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Neal, they were grinders, but they hit too many home runs to be considered gritty. See, gritty means slow, unathletic players with no discernible baseball skills that get their uniforms dirty a lot, receive key roles on teams despite lack of production, and are widely lauded by columnists with such empty terms like “winner” or “team player”.

Joel in Seattle May 30, 2008 at 8:18 pm

“Gritty” players also tend, overwhelmingly, to be white position players.

Mark in Chicago May 30, 2008 at 8:29 pm

I wasn’t going to go there Joel, so I will refrain from additional comment.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Speaking of Rob Deer, that name came up in a recent mention of Mike Hessman. It didn’t seem to me that Hessman offered anything for the Tigers, mostly because he bats right, but then someone (maybe elsewhere) claimed he played “a mean 3rd base.” Is this true?

If Hessman was a Brandon Inge with more power, you could almost see him up with the Tigers. Alas, he doesn’t also catch, as far as I know.

And he doesn’t bat left. No, he’s doomed.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Going over the roster to find a gritty player:
Joyce – sent down
Larish – does a Firstbaseman count? too much of power hitter
Raburn – probably qualifies, but is hitting under the Mendoza line, so people might think he’s Latino.
Inge – too many homers, or is 06 far enough back so he now qualifies
Clete Thomas – no homers, has to be our gritty grinder, he must play.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 8:40 pm

I’m with Dave BW that this Pacific Time crap is confusing and unnecessary. There should be one Universal Baseball Time, like there is GMT, and all game times should be set accordingly. Detroit would be the Greenwich in this system, because it is one of the most centrally located cities in the world, along with Chicago.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 8:43 pm

Sean, I think I read something about Hessman’s defense on the Mudhens website. I think you have the situation nailed, except for the part that Hessman is only a year younger than Inge. Also, with his power he isn’t a gritty grinder so he really wouldn’t be all that valuable. Although his OBP lifetime does show that he wouldn’t clog the bases.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Sean, are you proposing something like the NFL time starts. If the NFL does it must be great marketing, so lets do it, bring on the cheerleaders, when is halftime? And no one is on Steriods in the NFL!

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 8:50 pm

In the positive, non-cliched, non-joke sense of the term, I think Curtis Granderson is the scrappiest, grittiest player on the team. You could argue that the loss of his stats hurt more than the loss of his grit those first 22 (?) games, but I think it’s a bit of both. That’s the one and only excuse the Tigers could make about their poor start, though no one has.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 8:52 pm

Neal – There’s still an NFL? I thought they merged with WWF a while back.

Mark in Chicago May 30, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Totally agree that Clete Thomas is the most promising candidate for a gritty player. He fits the bill perfectly. I sure hope he doesn’t ruin it by getting, you know, better and stuff.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Neal – In the sense of a mediocre, overrated plater who looks like he tries real hard, I think Jacque Jones was the closest the Tigers came to a grinder, except for the looked like he tried real hard part. Running into a few walls could have landed him a job with the White Sox, or maybe the Phillies. He must not have an agent.

Where is Jacque Jones now, anyway? Anywhere?

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Sean, I thought you had gone all sentimental, but then you were back.
I think you’re right about Granderson, and his slump is probably everything that is wrong with the Tigers. I think the Tigers will follow once he gets his stroke back.
I’m just going to say that he doesn’t qualify as a gritty player for a number of reasons: power, speed, suntan ability, there are more but I don’t think I need to mention them.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Maybe, Mark, but someone said that Clete Thomas looked like an owl. I’m not sure grinders are supposed to look like owls. Besides, owls aren’t grinders, take it from me. Most of the time, they just don’t give a hoot.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:05 pm

I think I loved the 4 hoppers back from the outfield the best.
I heard the Marlins were looking to sign to play some CF, at least that’s what I read someone, have no idea where.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:09 pm

The real question is does Clete have the BB IQ to a wise owl?
Please don’t let Clete hit a homer tonight and ruin it, maybe come in for some late game defense. A diving grab in foul territory would do it.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Neal _ I didn’t mean to get sentimental, but I figured I’d better start getting serious before Billfer bans me from the site altogether.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:15 pm

Neal _ I didn’t see Clete Thomas play earlier in the year, but it seems he earned pretty good reviews. You’re saying his arm was bad? For a CF, or for an outfielder in general?

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:18 pm

On the serious side, maybe I’ve been drinking and don’t know it, or it might just be the PBB I still have in my system from growing up in Michigan and drinking Milk, but I still think this team has an opportunity to put things together.
The ChiSox will come back down, nobody is taking off with the division, the starting pitching is coming around. The relief hasn’t been awful, actually pretty good, just not great, especially considering that we might get Fernando and Joel back. The hitting will come around and we will get hot.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:20 pm

Sean, I was talking about JJ, sorry I forgot to write Jones in.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:20 pm

And by the way, I’m with you on Brinkman. Very underrated hitter. Just unlucky. The way he choked up on that bat was revolutionary.

Seriously – Aurelio Rodriguez is who we need today. Brook Robinson’s only peer in the AL during that time, as I recall.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Neal, I think we might be better off assuming that Rodney and Zumaya won’t be back. It seems like we’ve been hearing about their return for 10 straight years now. If the Tigers aren’t in serious contention (2nd place and charging hard at the very least) by the time they get back, if they do get back, they won’t be enough to make much of a difference.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:27 pm

Sean, Mark: How do we get the bats of Caberra, Guillen, Larish, and possibly Hessman in the lineup at the same time?
I personally think that Inge should be groomed to be the primary Catcher by the end of the season.

Tbone May 30, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Here’s the lineup – featuring Miggs in the 6 slot, Inge catching and the debut of Larish:

Granderson, CF
Polanco, 2B
Guillen, 3B
Ordonez, RF
Thames, LF
Cabrera, 1B
Larish, DH
Renteria, SS
Inge, C

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Aurelio Rodriguez, actually I was thinking we need McAliffe, he went on year without hitting into a doulble play, wouldn’t that be wonderful on this team.
I was just trying to stay optomistic about Joel and Fernando, I don’t think Rodney will be back this year, but I’m holding out hope for Joel.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:32 pm

And by “the score,” I mean “the projected score after the bullpen takes over for them.”

Ah, that was funny, Kyle J. Sad but true funny.

Chris May 30, 2008 at 9:34 pm

Wow! Leyland is droping Cabrera in the order. Why not? He hasn’t been very productive there with his low BA with RISP. He only has 30 RBIs which is pretty bad for your 5th batter in the lineup. Maybe droping him will get him going.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Sean, name the 72 team, quick.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Tbone, thanks for the lineup.

Interesting as usual these days. I’m in heaven – my man is #5. Cabrera-Larish-Renteria 6-7-8. I like it. This lineup gets my stamp of approval. Good luck to Larish, and good for Carlos, who must be all better now.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Chris: It’s okay to drop him if you have something better, but he has the 4th best OBP of the starters, 2nd most RBI’s, and he switched positons only a few weeks into the season. Considering his leg problems I think he’s done pretty well, and his numbers will look more like Ordonez’s soon, but with more homers.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Neal, I’ll try:

MacAuliffe 2B
Brinkman SS
Cash 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Stanley CF
Kaline RF (too late?) Northrup?
Horton LF (RF?)
Freehan C

Lolich
Coleman
Timmerman
McClain (too late? probably)

no references were consulted, promise

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Can’t for the life of me remember any other pitchers from the ’72 team that won the division. Damn!

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Hoyt Axton? Milt Wilcox? Don Ho?

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Sean: pretty good, position players I think you got all right, those four were the outfield.
McClain was long gone. I don’t remember the rest of the staff.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Woody Fryman and Fred Sherman I recall, that’s all I’ve got.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 9:55 pm

I just looked up the 72 tigers, I had forgotten Gates and Ike Brown

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 9:56 pm

Sam

Good and timely stats on Robertson. Depressing, but much appreciated just the same.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 9:59 pm

John Hiller? Joe Sparma?

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Fryman, yeah, comes back to me. How could I forget Gates Brown, perhaps the best pinch-hitter of all-time at that point, maybe among the top ones still. GATES BROWN! Yeah. I listened to those games like my life depended on it – how can I have forgotten all this?

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:02 pm

I know Leyland is trying to reduce the pressure on Larrish by having hit lower in the order, but wouldn’t having hit 5th in front of Caberra make it a better balanced middle of the order lineup and make the pitcher more likely to throw better hitter’s pitches to him, rather than hitting in front of Renteria?

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Yeah, Hiller. Wasn’t he the heart attack guy?

Must sound like the Old Fogey Revival going on here.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 10:06 pm

From today’s Beck’s Blog:

“The only immediate change to come out of Leyland’s brainstorming session Thursday was Miguel Cabrera’s move from fifth to sixth in the batting order. Marcus Thames gets the fifth slot as Leyland tries to ride the hot bat, but even if he cools off, that might not move up Cabrera.”

Observations:
1. There is an oxymoron there.
2. Can Thames, who had 13 PA in the last week, actually be considered a “hot bat”, or am I misinterpreting Beck’s comment (assuming a metaphor where none exists)?

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:06 pm

Sean, you are correct on the heart attack guy.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:08 pm

I guess you could change lineups all the time. Maybe this will get Leyland fired the way moving Pudge got Trammel the pink slip.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Hiller did have a heart attack, and I believe that by ’72 he had recovered, which made his career such a nice human interest story besides the fact that he was so good.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:11 pm

“Leyland Brainstorming”: for some reason the only image coming to mind is the basement of the 70′s show, with coaches is a smoke filled haze coming up with possible ideas.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 10:12 pm

Vince

You have to understand things in context. For the Tigers, a “hot bat” is anyone who managed to drive in a run during the previous game.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:17 pm

This is the way to start.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:21 pm

I know that Curtis has been in a slump, and had a hand injury early, but what is with the lack of speed? He has played in 32 games with only 2 steals. Are the Tigers holding him, bad situations, or does he have some conditioning or leg issues?

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 10:21 pm

I’m stepping away for a while. Give some good details, ladies and gentlemen – I’ll be back to read your spellbinding account later.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:30 pm

I’m following this on Gameday. On MLB’s site it show’s Inge’s triple being out of the park, was it a ground rule triple?

Sky May 30, 2008 at 10:31 pm

Sean, Detroit has scored 7 runs in top of 1st……………10 batters so far….

Kevin in Austin May 30, 2008 at 10:32 pm

80 comments already? Nice work people.

I kinda feel bad for SEA, ridiculous as that sounds.

Tbone May 30, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Inge hit it to the warning track over Ichiro’s head. Rod and Mario can’t believe how shallow he is playing and now he has been burned twice!

I love Carlos Silva..

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:35 pm

Game day finally put up the highlight. Good start.

Chris May 30, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Wow, what an Inning. The only Tiger hitter to either not get a hit or not get an RBI is the best hitter on the team.

Sky May 30, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Speaking of the 60′s….I used to see and attend all thos games. Mickey Lolich and I even worked for Mike Illitch back then when Little Ceaser’s was just a Detroit area chain. Mickey worked the off-season in a restaurant that Illitch owned. Last I heard he had a donut shop somewhere.

Anyway, this is how to start the game, but I’d like to see the 7 run lead hold up.

Sky May 30, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Brandon can do no wrong!……….Sean, you missed one of his great catches…….and he’s is behind the plate tonight!

Mark in Troy May 30, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Cabrera needed to hustle a bit more on that foul

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Why just seven, Dickey wasn’t effective last time, so lets get to him again. We tanked against the Angels after we got 2 in the first, so we just have to keep going after it.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 10:46 pm

It’s inconceivable to me why anyone would give Silva 40 mil for 4 years, but then Barry Zito’s contract didn’t make any sense to me either.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 10:48 pm

Check that – 48 mil – even worse.

Neal May 30, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Nice play by Inge, did he pick it up late, or was did it just look that way.
Have to go. Go Tigers.

Sky May 30, 2008 at 10:50 pm

Thames has hit 2 rockets barely foul that would have both been homers. I don’t think Shef will be seeing his name any time in the Tiger line-up soon if this keeps up.

Tbone May 30, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Mash away in the first, then pffft…

I hope 7 is enough tonight.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 11:15 pm

A seven run inning and then ZZZZZZZZ. Where have I seen this before?

Mark in Troy May 30, 2008 at 11:17 pm

They fell asleep like the Pistons in the 4th

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:17 pm

Before long the American League is going to learn that tigers have a heck of a hard time hitting anything that is not a fast ball.

tiff May 30, 2008 at 11:18 pm

please get to Dickey. How long can he last?

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 11:28 pm

ZZZZZZZZZZ

West Coast Tiger May 30, 2008 at 11:31 pm

I would like to put it out there that I will be at all three of the Tigers v A’s game if any West Coasters are going to the games. I will take my lap top to at least one game to give some posts from the Park. Any way to post pictures?

P.S. My apologies for my last post, regarding showing Jim the door. However, even he is saying he’s not pressing the right buttons.

I think they should start keeping stats on Thame’s hang time on pop flies.

One Last observation. When will the rest of the nation realize that Inge is one of the Premier defensive players in baseball. At any position.

Chris May 30, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Somehow I’m getting flashbacks to Minnesota & Boof Bosner

Tbone May 30, 2008 at 11:36 pm

tiff – dickey could go all night with that knuckler…

Chris May 30, 2008 at 11:36 pm

Sorry about the Pistons folks….. Time to jump on the Laker bandwagon…… GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 11:37 pm

A lot of 3-ball counts from Robertson tonight. With a 7-run ( I mean 6, I mean 5) lead, you’d think he would just be pumping strikes in there – he must not be very sharp this evening.

Chris May 30, 2008 at 11:38 pm

OK. No more strikes pitched to Adrian Beltre with bases empty…..

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:40 pm

Robertson looks very vulnerable. I hope Leyland sees this…the only problem is we have NO ONE we can rely on to replacce him. Unless Gallaraga can pitch on 1 day rest. Lew Burdette did in 57 World Series.

Adam May 30, 2008 at 11:43 pm

THAMES WITH MEN ON COMING UP!!!

Chris May 30, 2008 at 11:43 pm

Tigers were aggressive in the 1st, making contact early in the count. That was very good with Silva, but now with Dicky, they should be trying to grind-out their ABs, running up the pitch count and drawing walks.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 11:44 pm

ZZZZZZZZZ

tiff May 30, 2008 at 11:44 pm

that’s the secret to pitching success against the tigers… throw a 50mph knuckleball!

Adam May 30, 2008 at 11:45 pm

Sky – Robertson has had 2 hits against him, both home runs by the same guy. 2 hits through 5.

How well does he have to pitch to not look vulnerable?

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:46 pm

You’re right, Chris. But the Tigers seem to get into a funk after scoring a lot in one inning……..at least most of the time. Especially when an off-speed pitcher comes in. They get keyed into fast balls and that’s it. Good hitters know how to adjust to different pitching. I just do not always see it with them.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 11:46 pm

Well, at least Thames was “hot” for one at-bat.

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Here it comes, Tiger fans!

Tbone May 30, 2008 at 11:52 pm

There’s Nate’s standard 4-run outing. Can they hang on?

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:52 pm

Is there anyone who does not have a very strong sense that the Tigers will somehow lose this game?

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 11:52 pm

We got a game now.

Adam May 30, 2008 at 11:53 pm

Sky – forgive me for my transgressions. I was wrong.

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:54 pm

Look, the Tigers this year have not been able to hold on to leads like this more than once. Either the other team scores nothing, and we win……..but once they sense they have a chance, they always seem to do so.

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Adam, I thought he was vulnerable because his control is not sharp. He got a couple DP’s, the drive Thames got, and some other breaks. But he has gone to 3 balls on a lot of hitters. That makes him vulnerable.

Chris May 30, 2008 at 11:59 pm

“Is there anyone who does not have a very strong sense that the Tigers will somehow lose this game?”

I’ll be surpassed if they actually do win this game.

Vince in MN May 30, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Have no fear Sky, we’ve got them right where they want us.

Sky May 30, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Frankly, I have always found Robertson a gamble. He reminds me of the Joe Sparma mentioned above who played years ago for Detroit. He is a good pitcher to get the basic job done, but without run and defense support, he is much more likely to lose. 5 good innings is about all you can expect.

He is a reliable starter because he can start. But he is not a reliable winner.

Vince in MN May 31, 2008 at 12:03 am

If Dolsi can get through the 7th inning, Leyland can go to his 8th-inning set-up man Cruceta, and we’ll be in like Flint.

Vince in MN May 31, 2008 at 12:06 am

Robertson manages to keep his ERA a tick under 6.00, which is about where it belongs.

Vince in MN May 31, 2008 at 12:07 am

ZZZZZZZZ

Sky May 31, 2008 at 12:15 am

Well, we are through the 7th. Maybe the Tigers can do it. Maybe………but I remain very worried. This is the kind of game where Jones might end up giving up tying or winning runs in the 9th. He is not that hard to hit, you know.

Adam May 31, 2008 at 12:19 am

Vince…jeez. Seven runs early is better than never. Quit complaining.

Sky May 31, 2008 at 12:20 am

Did you all hear the Seattle announcer notice Miner’s ERA and say they want him to get in?

Sky May 31, 2008 at 12:27 am

Can u believe that Miner is really pitching?

Sky May 31, 2008 at 12:27 am

Leyland must be suicidal

Jeff May 31, 2008 at 12:28 am

I’d keep Dolsi out there. Just don’t trust Miner. He just doesn’t trust his stuff (perhaps with good reason, but that’s not good either).

Last year the Friday after Memorial Day was that game in Cleveland (the 4-run lead in the 9th) . . . I mention it to create a reverse jinx.

EDIT: Never mind. I’m sorry, Zach.

Adam May 31, 2008 at 12:29 am

Did we only get to play one NL team for interleague play? Really?

Adam May 31, 2008 at 12:31 am

Just kidding. We get to play all the California teams plus St. Louis in June.

Dave BW May 31, 2008 at 12:37 am

Thank God. My summer could never be complete without seeing the Cardinals.

Dave BW May 31, 2008 at 12:39 am

Cabrera, you are such a bust. Get off this team so we can give more time to young gritty players that CARE like Ron Bourquin.

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 12:41 am

hey all, just hopped on, looks like i missed a crazy first inning. and then the bats went to sleep after that? no!! the hell you say!! that never happens!

i haven’t checked the box, how did larish look in his debut?

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 12:42 am

dave bw, nice work keeping the “gritty grinder” theme going

Mike R May 31, 2008 at 12:42 am

Oh wow. Dave works in a Ronnie Bourquin reference. Well done, sir. Well done.

Dave BW May 31, 2008 at 12:43 am

I was at the inspiring and heartwarming Pistons game and didn’t actually see him, but he apparently had one hit and got an RBI from a force out.

Dave BW May 31, 2008 at 12:44 am

two down!

Jeff May 31, 2008 at 12:45 am

Got the “W”, that’s what counts.

It’s interesting, Jones really pitches to contact, so Inge at 3B, Pudge at C, and Clete in LF really makes it easier for Jones to do so.

Dave BW May 31, 2008 at 12:46 am

Todd ends the game with a strikeout. Two game win streak!!!

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 12:46 am

ok so i missed virtually the entire game tonight, but i think i just turned on the wrong channel because i just watch some closer get a 1-2-3 ninth inning on like 10 pitches.

that can’t be jones. who the hell did i just watch?

Sky May 31, 2008 at 12:47 am

Well, shut my mouth! They did hang on…..Guess I am just too nervous!

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 12:48 am

for those who may have missed it (and actually give a crap) i predicted a big june for the tigers, something like a 20-7 month. so yeah, i’m saying the tigers will be over .500 by the end of june.

fire away, folks.

(i am aware it’s not June yet, we’re just gettin gwarmed up is all)

Kurt May 31, 2008 at 12:51 am

Honestly Mark, and against my better judgment, I think the Tigers do still have it in them to go 20-7 or something like that. Dunno if they will, but I would not call it a surprise if they did.

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 12:57 am

kurt, are you the guy running mack ave tigers? i dig that site, i’m over there every day (although i don’t post). great work!

i know what you mean about “better judgement”. i had a feeling after the whole leyland blowup a few weeks ago that it was almost time to buy low on this team. following the solid starting pitching and the well-played series in anaheim (even though we lost the series) i feel like it’s time.

hope they don’t make me look like a fool.

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 1:05 am

Courtesy of Jason Beck:

Leyland has planned what he called a “significant” move involving his pitching staff, but he doesn’t want to announce it until he has told the players involved.

did anybody discuss this yet? speculate? what’s the deal here?

Sean C. in Illinois May 31, 2008 at 1:09 am

OK. let’s get the complaining out of the way first. When was 7 runs, 14 hits, last so dull? Why slow down the game with hits when you can’t get anyone home, guys? Let’s wrap it up, here, eh? A whopping 2 walks, I see. Way for Clete “Grinder” Thomas to work that pitcher. Guess you’ve gotta swing while you can when you won’t be here long. What happened with Cabrera getting doubled up like that? Who made the error? I want him off the team. Robertson is so mediocre, he makes me nervous. I never feel comfortable with him pitching. 7 runs, 19 runs, whatever. Only 4 hits, only 2 walks, and still 4 runs. I hope he will be eating innings somewhere else before the end of the year. Maybe in the NL, where he might be able to excel. It seemed like they pitched Larish like Joyce in that last strikeout AB. Hmmm. Hitting prowess in the International league may be a tad overrated.

All right. Todd Jones was superb, Especially getting home run boy to pop out on the first pitch. Dolsi looked very good again. When Miner came in for the 8th, I thought: Leyland is so weird. He should have a separate co-manager to handle pitching for him. After Miner got ‘em 1-2-3, I thought; Leyland is so weird. He should have a separate co-manager to handle pitching for him. But Miner was good. Maybe this was another audition for 8th Inning Guy. Great to have that 1st inning explosion. No complaints there, and how exciting. Even though I missed that part. The bullpen really came through tonight. After Nate couldn’t even finish the 6th. always a bad omen for what’s to come, they closed the door. I give them equal credit (along with the part-time offense) for the win. Nate gets no credit. 2 K, 2 BB, 495 fly balls.

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 1:16 am

Sean, that is an interesting collection of seemingly random thoughts. But since I missed 99% of this game it looks like a good recap to me. Let me see if I can summarize:

7 runs early = good
no runs later = bad
nate = good with only 6 baserunners allowed
nate = bad somehow allowing typical 4 runs
miner = supposed to be bad
miner = actually good
jones = very good ( isaw this part, actually)
leyland = wtf??

Sean C. in Illinois May 31, 2008 at 1:32 am

Mark in Chicago – I’m 7-3! Or 7-4, can’t remember. 7-3 seems better, so I’ll take it. Can you believe it? I think I need to fatten up on these Mariners games, and then take a long break.

Someone do the math here: If I’m 7-3 (.700), and Tigers are 23-31 (.426), how can I best arrange to go 1-9 so that the Tigers turn their record around to that same degree over the nest 54 games? And which 9 games (if that many) are the Tigers going to lose? I need to schedule “watching” these losses in advance, so please be prompt, like before Game 55.

Mark in Chicago May 31, 2008 at 1:33 am

jeez, sean. i’m not even sure i understand your question….

Sean C. in Illinois May 31, 2008 at 1:41 am

Good summary, Mark.

I hit all the high and low points as I saw them. In a disorganized way. I was in a hurry to get to press!

Vince summarized even more of the game with a single letter (see posts above).

Sean C. in Illinois May 31, 2008 at 2:03 am

I conceived and phrased the question poorly, Mark. I’ll try again:

My luck has been rather good at catching the Tigers when they win. The Tigers “luck” overall has been bad. Let’s say that Detroit is 7-4 with me, and 16-27 without me.

If we pretend that changing my luck would change the Tigers luck in equal proportion, what’s the best that could happen to improve the Tigers record over the next 54 games? That’s the math part, and there may be more than one answer.

Whatever the answer is, the “just for fun” part is to select the games I will have to watch. For example, if the Tigers went 27-16 when I didn’t watch as a “result” of going 4-7 when I did, which 7 games over the next 54 are the Tigers most likely to lose? (So I can be sure to watch them and hold up my end of the bargain.)

It’s all very silly. Something to ponder over the All Star break, maybe. Or during a Mariners series. But… was that clearer?

ron May 31, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Fire Leyland.

tiff May 31, 2008 at 3:21 pm

can we request a move to the AL West? It works for the Red Wings.

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