Game 6: White Sox at Tigers – Live Blog

PREGAME: I may be asking for trouble here given the way the Tigers are playing, but I’m going to live blog this game tonight. It’s the first game I’ve been able to sit home and watch, and I’m going to take advantage of it. Plus, it’s not like the live blog is going to screw up any good karma the Tigers have going. The biggest obstacle for me will be spelling Mark Buehrle’s name right.

It will be Mark Buehrle taking on Justin Verlander. Both were opening day starters for their clubs and both took losses. Buehrle didn’t make it out of the second inning as he was rocked for 7 runs and sports a Grilli-esque 37.80 ERA.

Verlander was better making it into the 7th inning before leaving with runners at the corners. Both would score denying Verlander a quality start.

Gary Sheffield returns to the lineup, but Placido Polanco sits with back stiffness. Good thing that Ryan Raburn was sent down yesterday so we get treated to Ramon Santiago.

Game Time 8:05 Joe Morgan and Jon Miller with the call
The live blog is after the jump…

Live Blog

7:55 – Pregame: Okay, I haven’t watched anything with Chris Berman for a couple months, and I’m already Berman’d out after a half hour of Baseball Tonight.

What are you guys doing to change the MOJO? Me and Pudge are going with the high-socks tonight. And I’m going with the alternate hat.

Oh, and I’ll take Miguel Cabrera in the Who’s Your Tiger question tonight.

8:04 – Pregame: Can’t complain about a lack of attention from ESPN. I don’t think Miller or Morgan even mentioned the White Sox in the open. It’s almost as if the Tigers are playing against themselves, and really without a win at this point they kind of are.

8:10 – Pitch #2: Umm. Yeah.

8:15 – middle of 1: A 19 pitch inning. Not exactly the kind of efficiency you’re looking for. And Verlander can’t seem to keep his fastball down. But the hammer looks good, and maybe a chat with Chuck Hernandez will get him righted with the heater.

8:21 – after 1: Man, Magglio missing an 0-2 pitch like that. I thought when Shef’s bleeder made it through things may start turning around. If it makes you feel any better Maggs had a .553 OPS after 5 games last year and he managed to do OK.

8:28 – middle of 2: Very nice inning for Verlander. That 96 mph heat at the knees for the second strike on Quentin was his best pitch of the night. The control was much better, but he’s still throwing a lot of breaking stuff. It’s Cabrera time now.

8:36 – end of 2: I’m actually not annoyed by Joe Morgan yet. The analysis of the footwork at first I thought was interesting. Certainly more interesting than the offense – which still isn’t clicking at all. And my alternate hat isn’t doing the trick either. I’ll give it one more inning.

8:40 – I didn’t know it was possible to go 3-0 on Juan Uribe. Now he has to deal with Swisher with 2 guys on. Remember in one of Verlander’s first games when Swisher took him deep twice? I remember it because the second came around the 120 pitch mark and being really pissed at Leyland.

8:46 – bottom of 2: I hate Joe Crede so that makes me immensely happy. I still can’t believe that Ramon Santiago is on this team and no one seems to care.

8:48– Okay, nice hitting Santiago. And I can’t kill him for going to third. It took two perfect throws.

8:52 Excellent AB by Thames and then Uribe takes one away from Sheffield (which evens out shef’s luck for the night). Do you realize the last 4 RBI for this team have come from the #9 hitter?

8:55 – top of 3: Sometimes I check my referer logs to see what brings people to the site. Someone googled “did sean casey take steroids”

On another note, is anyone reading this?

9:01- bottom of 4
: Did Cabrera have his socks high the first time he was up? I’m not worried about Cabrera’s broken bats. He’s just getting rid of all the bad ones. It must be a bad batch right?

Oh yeah, and I hate Crede so that part is fun. How nice would it be if Crede went Knoblauch tonight?

9:10 – top of 5: I think I’ve had more than enough discussion of women’s basketball.

Man, Guillen you’re killing me. I thought he should have had both of those balls. I hate Crede.

9:12 – How man times has Pudge just flat out dropped balls this week? Four, five?

9:15 – Instead of a double play and nobody on, Pudge dropping the ball costs an out and a runner in scoring position.

I hate that a 2 run deficit feels insurmountable.

9:23 – The Marlins might call up Burke Badenhop for their rotation.

Heck of an AB there for a guy seeing his first action in a week. Nice job Ramon.

9:30 – The concentration lapses are mind numbing. Pudge dropping balls, Guillen dropping a ball. Miguel Cabrera forgetting counts each of the last 2 days. Verlander walking Uribe when he was trying to bunt.

9:33 – Verlander’s at 96 pitches. Time to get someone up.

9:40 – Aaaarrrrghhhhhh.

9:49 – bottom of 6: I liked that Planters Cashew commercial the first time, but now it irritates the crap out of me. Or maybe it’s the score of the game.

9:54 – At least the team is back to hitting into conventional double plays. Let’s not forget the double play on the fly ball or the ground ball with no runner on first.

10:01 – Top of 7: Joe Morgan shouldn’t talk percentages.

10:08 – bottom of 7: I like the chances for a triple play here the way things are going.

10:15 – top of 8 Just did the minor league wrap. The Tigers as an organization have 8 losses on the year. The parent club has 6 of them.

10:35 – Top of 9: Do you realize if it weren’t for White Sox errors and wild pitches this would be a shut out?

An intentional walk in the 9th inning when you’re down by 7 and there are two outs seems really pointless.

10:41 – I’m sure Bazardo is a big fan of that missed double play ball by Cabrera.

10:55 game mercifully over: Fitting that it ended on a double play. This blew.


  1. Kurt

    April 6, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    I hope you’re lucky, Bilfer!

  2. Eric Cioe

    April 6, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Billfer – Verlander didn’t take the loss in the opener, Bautista did. Just clarifying.

  3. JML

    April 6, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Really, this season has already entered the Twilight Zone. I took last week off work just to go to every game. Silly me.

  4. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Thames is in the two-spot. Does this seem odd to anyone else? He’s only 5-19 against Buehrle.

  5. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Didn’t Buehrle and Verlander both pitch no-hitters last season? Cool match-up. Hope our guy wins it. 🙂

  6. Dave BW

    April 6, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Thames in the two spot has always bewildered me. And JML, I sympathize.

    btw, I enjoy the phrase “grilli-esque ERA”

  7. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Any word on Granderson’s x-ray?

  8. JML

    April 6, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Thanks, Dave BW. I’m off till Wednesday, here’s hoping we have a WIN before I go back!

  9. Jimmy

    April 6, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Hope you bring good luck. And thanks for reminding me about having to listen to Miller and Morgan . . . .

  10. Tbone

    April 6, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Of course you realize Billfer that if the Tigers win we will be expecting you to live-blog the rest of the season…

  11. Chris in Nashville

    April 6, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    I have a feeling Verlander is going to go out and throw a gem tonight….I hope I’m right…they need a big start here to get the ship back on track.

  12. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Woooooooo. “best 0-5 lineup that I have ever seen” Encouraging words baby.

  13. Adam

    April 6, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Verlander has a sinker?

  14. Kathy

    April 6, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Oh, Lord!

  15. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Great start…

  16. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Man, I hate Nick Swisher right now.

  17. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Well, at least we don’t have to waste our time hoping for another no-hitter.

  18. Tbone

    April 6, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Joe Morgan said Edgar Renteria is going to win a Gold Glove at SS. Hmmm…

  19. Michael in Pittsburgh

    April 6, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Are we sure 2007 Bonderman wasn’t starting there? Sheesh.

  20. Michael in Pittsburgh

    April 6, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Thone: I’m pretty sure he was talking about Guillen at 1B.

  21. Tbone

    April 6, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Guillen? Double hmmm….

  22. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    I can tolerate a lot of things, but which major league batter is the antithesis of an lead-off batter? Pudge Rodriguez. In the past few year he has challenged all time records for least number of walks in a season featuring 500 ab’s. And yet there he is leading off! And, wait, there he is swinging at the first pitch! I mean seriously, that’s just intolerable.

  23. Eric Cioe

    April 6, 2008 at 8:34 pm


    Verlander seems to throw his 2 seamer more often than his 4 seamer. Because a 2 seamer has less backspin than a 4 seamer, and because Verlander uses a pretty low arm angle, his fastball sinks more than hops, where a guy like Papelbon’s hops pretty hard.

  24. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Inge Time!

  25. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Great point, Stephen. I was hoping it was just a spring training experiment and Leyland would see the obvious. But alas.

  26. billfer

    April 6, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Stephen – it was actually the second pitch, but I agree with everything else.

  27. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 8:46 pm


  28. Jimmy

    April 6, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Good news: Granderson can resume baseball activities tomorrow (according to the Freep)!

  29. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    And it seems Brandon Inge can do no wrong. Who else could hit the ball to 3rd and wind up there?

  30. Tbone

    April 6, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Nice hit, but bad decision on Santiago’s part to go for 3. He had no chance and essentially killed the inning.

  31. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Yea, we coulda used that extra out. Nice catch there to rob Sheff, btw.

  32. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Santiago had his eyes fixed on Lamont before he turned second, so I’m not sure if it was entirely Santiago’s fault.

  33. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    It does seem like a lot of would-be Tiger hits are getting stolen by some excellent defense. Not just tonight either.

  34. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Ya know, Ozzie really looks like some crazy assassin when they show him staring from the dugout… that is all.

  35. Alex in MD from GPW

    April 6, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    im keeping up here, good updates so far. tigers need something special tonight

  36. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Hey Bilfer, I’m reading! And Sean Casey taking steroids? Just doesn’t seem possible, does it?

  37. Eric Cioe

    April 6, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I’m reading Billfer.

  38. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Note to Cabrera:

    Your power and strength are supposed to drive balls out of the yard, not bats out of the infield.

  39. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    That should make Billfer doubly happy.

  40. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Man, Crede really wants us to win this game doesn’t he?

  41. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    This team is so incredibly frustrating to watch… argh!

  42. Adam

    April 6, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Here we go. Six run fifth.

  43. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    haha. Check out that gray-plaid sports coat and red shirt. But the man brings good news.

  44. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Good god, where does Dombrowski get those clothes? What an abomination! Maybe he lost a bet. It’s very 1975.

  45. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Holy 1978, Dave… but he is a genius.

  46. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Lord have mercy, please don’t make America look at that outfit again!

  47. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Aaaaaaaand Pudge swings at the first pitch… again.

  48. Kevin in Austin

    April 6, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    We’ve gotta be leading the league in GIDP.

  49. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Steve in OH, lets split the difference and say Dombro is rocking the latest in 1977 Haggar fashion.

  50. Mark in Chicago

    April 6, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    0-6 and headed to Boston for their home opener. We don’t stand a chance, methinks.

    Billfer, you nailed it. A 2-run deficit feels insurmountable.

  51. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I’m listening on 1270 and Dan and Jim both commented on Pudge and Cabrera’s high socks at the start of the game. And sorry to be a downer, but even a 2 run lead right now would feel insurmountable. *sigh*

  52. Alex in MD from GPW

    April 6, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    This hurts to watch, just cant get an advantage

  53. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    No not another shot of that outfit! My retinas are seared.

  54. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Joe Morgan’s gold glove first bagger!

  55. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Stephen… 1977 it is. Definitely feels like your standard Salvation Army shopping experience shared with the world in HD.

    Gold Glove first baseman, eh Joe Morgan?

  56. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Dombro sounds like an Fortune 500 executive trying to explain why the stock has plummeted 37%.

  57. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    The bullpen hasn’t been the main problem this year? Really, Dave?

    Now I know the hitting has stunk up the joint, too… but I’d say we could use some help in the pen.

    Nice, Verlander. At this point, a 5 run lead in the 8th would feel fully surmountable.

  58. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Dombrowski sounds like United States General singing the praises of Custer and then he gets telegram about Little Big Horn. Oops!

  59. Mark in Chicago

    April 6, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    The bullpen doesn’t matter when you score one run.

  60. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    For the love of Christ. I think I might actually turn this off.

  61. Kevin in Austin

    April 6, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    If we had a pen right now Verlander would be out of there. Poor kid, I hope he gets out of this okay. 100+ pitches in 5+. Disgusting.

  62. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Dombrowski sounds like an architect giving interview about his new skyscraper. Meanwhile, the windows on the 37th floor have just all blown open.

  63. Anne

    April 6, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    The bullpen has not been the only problem, nor even the worst. It’s just one of many.

  64. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    No, don’t turn off! This is classic television. Dombrowski held hostage!

  65. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    That spiel right there about Rodney… if I didn’t know any better I might think Dave was working as the White House Press Secretary… he sure worked around that question.

  66. Alex in MD from GPW

    April 6, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    This just pains me, it wouldnt hurt as bad if the tigers werent winless on the 6th game of the season.

  67. Kathy

    April 6, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    And this is so 2003. Wake me up when it’s over!!!

  68. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Bilfer… that 9:40 post of yours has to be my favorite of the night… you actually made me laugh, which isn’t easy watching this filth on tv.

    And up, up, up goes Verlander’s ERA… ok, nevermind since 5 are unearned.

  69. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    We’re not going to win anyway, so I’m actually hoping the Sox beat up on our bullpen.

  70. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    If you listen carefully, you can hear someone chanting ‘Let’s Go Lions’ in background!
    0-6 and heading to Boston. Yikes.

  71. Adam

    April 6, 2008 at 9:47 pm


    What’s left to say?


  72. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Right about now I am feeling increasingly better about my decision to not buy a mini plan… not that I really could have anyway since I live 3 1/2 hours away and have too much going on this summer, but that’s beside the point.

    Adam… “Fire Millen?”

  73. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    I’m wondering if a team has ever started 0-6 at home and made the players. Methinks, uh, no.
    So who do we think we can trade for prospects to replenish the farm system? I’m joking, sort of.

  74. Mike in CT

    April 6, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Did these guys take any infield practice down in Florida?

  75. Justin in SF

    April 6, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    As one of the very few games that are actually on TV out here this is painful

  76. ron

    April 6, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    What a couple of talking heads. Don’t panic, our players have proven track records. Someone send Jimmy on his way, please.

  77. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Billfer, you’re right. That commercial gets increasingly creepy and inappropriate for children the more i see it.

  78. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Adam, I changed my mind…


    Re: The Planters Commercial … To be honest, this Cialis one on right now is even creepier … daughter on the phone, kisses Mom, next thing ya know Dad’s ready to go at it … shudder.

  79. Adam

    April 6, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    “The fans are booing.” ?

    Who do we think we are, Yankees fans? That sickens me.

  80. Mike in CT

    April 6, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Anyone know really quick how many GIDP plays the team has accrued already? This is borderline unreal.

  81. Kevin in Austin

    April 6, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Adam – I’m okay with booing. They paid for their tickets, they have the right.

    Anyway, I just turned off the game. If they are going to put out that kind of effort, they don’t deserve my time. See you guys on Tues.

  82. ron

    April 6, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Can someone show some friggin emotion. Were dyin’ here.

  83. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Expectations are a terrible terrible thing.

  84. Andy in Kalamazoo

    April 6, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Unbelievable………weak swings…….every pitcher knows every Tiger hitter, this is so hard to stomach as a fan, immagine being a participant.

  85. Walewander

    April 6, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    The only way this could be worse is if Hawk and DJ were covering it.

  86. Mike in CT

    April 6, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    “The only way this could be worse is if Hawk and DJ were covering it.”

    That’s what most people refer to as the seventh layer of hell.

  87. Alex in MD from GPW

    April 6, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    It just seems like the tigers can’t perform in any aspect of the game, and clearly are not putting runs on the board, this is not looking good.

  88. Brian

    April 6, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    i was thinking exactly the same thing walewander.

  89. Steve in Kzoo

    April 6, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Boy I’m glad I don’t get ESPN2 here on at college. This is totally depressing. I’m soo glad I’m watching Star Wars on spike. Stephen I wonder are you doing somewhat of the same Mr Jar Jar Binks and his Mesa thinks. lol j/k. Well 0-9, 2003 replica is totally possible, wow this is just embarassing..totally embarassing…..

  90. ron

    April 6, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    These guys are giving hot-headed Latin players a bad name. Dombrowski should send a couple a bottles of Tequila down to the dugout and loosen things up a bit.

  91. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    You can put 0-6 on the boaaaard, yes!
    Here comes Inge for the DP.

  92. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    I don’t know that 0-6 has ever felt so much like 0-60 before in my life.

  93. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    I think Jar Jar Binks should be our long man. His motion is very deceptive!

  94. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 10:09 pm


  95. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    AJ gets the f word on national television.

  96. Joey the K in Portland OR

    April 6, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    we must lead the majors in double plays hit into.

  97. Justin in SF

    April 6, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Maybe Joe’s right. A road trip is what we need. Boston is not the best place to start though.

  98. Stephen

    April 6, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Meanwhile back at the Hall of Justice, Joe Morgan is morphing into Rationalization Man. Yeah, it’s better to open on the road. Yeah, the cold weather is only impacting them. Whatever.

  99. Whitney

    April 6, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    For the first time, I’m glad I can’t watch the game tonight. Following it online spares me a little bit of the pain.

    I don’t think I can imagine it in my head as bad as it really is. . .

  100. Jojo Sun Devil

    April 6, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    We’re being mentioned with the 1988 Baltimore Orioles that started 0-21.

    The Tigs will obviously get better this season, but these might be 6 games which we are desperate for later in the season.

  101. Joey the K in Portland OR

    April 6, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    I think we need some CLETE!!!

  102. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Clete’s real name isn’t even Clete. What a disappointing day.

  103. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    That minor league stat is just brutal, Bilfer… 6 of the 8 losses from the major league club. Sheesh.

  104. Brian P

    April 6, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Ooh. Does this mean we get to see Inge march out in the catching gear?

  105. Eric Cioe

    April 6, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    “The only way this could be worse is if Hawk and DJ were covering it.”

    That made me laugh hard.

  106. Alex in MD from GPW

    April 6, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Someone want to find out how many hits have gotten out of the infield?

  107. Cameron in Singapore

    April 6, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    I think it’s officially time we can begin worrying now…
    No, the Tigers aren’t going to go 0-162 and, yes, we will hit some good patches and win some games this year, but if we don’t start soon we’re really going to dig ourselves a significant hole.

  108. Baseballindc

    April 6, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Not winning the World Series? Not unexpected.

    Not making the playoffs? Disappointing, but it happens.

    Embarrasment of the league of potentially historical proportions? THIS is something else all together. Time for a team meeting.

    Also, no more Santiago jokes please. He and Inge are all the offense we’ve got. Hopefully we can build around them.

  109. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    We have been on the nasty end of a lot of stats this year… we’ve all mentioned GIDPs already, but I’ve been noticing that we manage plenty of hits yet score no runs, too. Today we’ve got 8 hits and the Sox have 9, yet we’re down 7.

  110. Mark in Chicago

    April 6, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Mommy, make it stop

  111. Steve in Kzoo

    April 6, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Umm watching the Game Trax from ESPN can this get any worse or more embarassing? 13-2 WTF. Now we can hit the panic button there I said it. Its just plain scary whats going…errr rather whats not going on here.

  112. ron

    April 6, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    The White Sox would score 1000 runs this season if they played the Tiger every day.

  113. Tbone

    April 6, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    The most disappointing thing to me is that it appears no one on this team even cares. No fire, no emotion. Thanks for the paycheck Mr. Ilitch, we’ll just go through the motions this season.

  114. Mark in Chicago

    April 6, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    I we get a couple of late touchdwons, we can still win.

    Don’t kick it to Hester, tho.

  115. Ryan in Brooklyn

    April 6, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    I’ve been watching most of this miserable game a few minutes behind on tivo, so I just checked in to read everyone else’s tales of woe.

    I, too, tried changing hats tonight… if only it were that simple.

    I don’t have a lot to add, but there were an awful lot of UNimpressive at-bats tonight. Let’s hope a road trip will do us some good.

  116. Steve in Kzoo

    April 6, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Thats what Ive been saying on my tigersbraves blog there is absolutely no emotion or drive just a don’t care attitude and collection my paycheck kind of drive. There is no team just a bunch of lazy butts collecting their paychecks.

  117. Mark in Chicago

    April 6, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I know Leyland said after the KC series that it wasn’t the right time to call a meeting, but I’m thinking he’s got be real close to lighting this team up right now. You guys are right, just no emotion, and no professionalism.

    If not for the White Sox GIVING us runs by throwing the ball all over the field, we’d have nothing.

  118. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 10:54 pm


  119. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Fitting way to end the game.

  120. Mark in Chicago

    April 6, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Perfect way to end an absolutely atrocious week.

    Rule #1 when you are in a hole: stop digging

  121. Walewander

    April 6, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    I don’t think I’ll ever watch the Tigs on Sunday night Baseball again. Remember the Bonderman start vs (I think) the Angels last year?

  122. Dave BW

    April 6, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    This has to be rock bottom, simply on virtue of the fact that it would be difficult for a major league team to play worse.

  123. Steve in OH

    April 6, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    We’re making our play in the ’06 World Series look like an Oscar-winning performance.

  124. Eric Cioe

    April 6, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Someone get Canseco on the line, we need some ‘professional’ advice.

  125. David

    April 6, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    GIDP how unique

    Here is something off topic my brother and I were having an argument during the game right about when Verlander blew up

    His argument – Verlander is not an ace because he fails to step up against division rivals (ie Chi Sox) and he fails to stop a losing skid

    My argument – it really doesn’t matter a win is a win is a win and he had 17 in 2006 and 18 in ’07, plus his ERA was good in that time frame

    He looked OK tonight before the error and implosion

  126. Joey C.

    April 6, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    I know I was keeping it positive last night, but good god, how bad can a start get? I guess we’ll know soon enough.

    I mean didn’t this team prepare at all during spring training? Jesus. I mean this is way too much talent to be looking this bad.

  127. Dylan

    April 6, 2008 at 11:33 pm;c_id=mlb

    only good news of the night

  128. Chris

    April 7, 2008 at 12:15 am

    OK, I’m going to flush out a bit of optimism:

    At baseline record for 500 the Tigers are only three game below. If they were at 3-3 or 2-4 — an acceptable first week by most standards– the difference from 0-6 would not be that significant.

    Yes they have dug themselves into a hole and are playing terrible baseball, but they have nearly an entire season to make up the difference. The only key is to end this losing streak pronto and play 500 ball for a while, at the very worst. If any team can catch fire at some point later in the season– think ’07 Yankees or ’06 Twins, as an example– it is this lineup.

    They have a day off tomorrow and are traveling to Boston for a series. The change in routine and the removal from the pressure of playing at home should certainly be a good thing. We can only hope they arrive back in Detroit a different team.

    Slumps do end and Polanco’s , Cabrera’s and Magglio’s should be seen as a temporary thing that does happen from time to time. It just usualy doesn’t happen to an entire lineup at the same time.

    Granderson is coming back soon. Sheffield is healthy enough to play.

    Tigers probably have seen really tough pitching that sometimes occurs as a bit of a fluke. Mark Buehrle really stunk it up for Cleveland and was due to bounce back. Banister always kills the tigers and for some reason Gavin Floyd always has his mojo when the Tigers are at bat but then resumes his place as a mediocre pitcher for everybody else. As we all know, pitching is one of the most difficult positions to be consistent at and many wakeup one day and have it in spades and the other day they can’t do anything. Imagine if they had a Grilli-esque relief performance serving it up for them durring one of these last six games, they definitely would have feasted up on that and ended a few slumps along the way. But they didn’t and perhaps the Tigers were a bit unlucky in the fact that there were consecutive days when the opposing pitchers had their best games. Bottom line: this bad luck can’t continue.

  129. Stephen

    April 7, 2008 at 12:51 am

    It’s not bad luck, it’s bad play.

  130. Jojo Sun Devil

    April 7, 2008 at 1:17 am

    I agree with Stephen, its not bad luck, its bad play.

  131. Mike R

    April 7, 2008 at 1:22 am

    I don’t think it’s so much “bad play” that’s hit into what feels like 832 double plays already.

    Only 4 back with 155 games to go!

  132. Jim

    April 7, 2008 at 1:23 am

    hammered as drunk i wentr to the game and ia twas a not fun. i welnt to drink the sorrow away afterward woooo gin

  133. Tom

    April 7, 2008 at 1:28 am

    Hmmm. Let me see. Dumbrowski knew there was no bullpen going into the season. Did he really expect to win. Reel the tape back to the late 80’s teams with all “their power”. Pitching wins World Series. Period. Dumbrowski spends money and the Gammons’ of the world declare it well spent. Pitching wins…Period. Trade for bats and give away young pitching talent. We are exactly where we should be. Don’t anyone cry.

  134. Chris

    April 7, 2008 at 1:32 am

    “It’s not bad luck, it’s bad play”

    I agree.

    I think it’s a whole lotta bad play but it also is bad luck in the fact that this team got the Mark Buehrle at his best while the Indians got Mark Buehrle at his worst last week. Sometimes pitchers can have their best days and I happen to think the Tigers got a succession of opposing pitchers all being at their best. The Tigers are playing like the worst baseball team in the league but even the worst teams can lightup mediocre pitching when they see it. Who of the line of opposing pitchers, relief or starters, have we seen to really struggle this last week? Nobody. I think that may be a bit of a fluke.

    That said, the Tiger hitters have done nothing to give themselves an opportunity to make pitchers struggle or make the opposing managers put out relievers who would struggle. This is because of the way the Tigers have not worked up the pitching counts and have done a lot of piss-poor first/second pitch swinging. As a result, these starers are going six-seven innings on 90 pitches, fairly unscathed. This lack of plate discipline should be the focus of the discussion right now.

  135. Chris

    April 7, 2008 at 1:53 am

    It appears that DD made the mistake of thinking that the middle relief struggles of last year was just a temporary thing due to the injuries to Zumaya and Rodney durring that time. Now it is clear that this is a huge problem. I initially hated the Renterea-Jurjens-Hernandez trade, I now see that as the 2nd worst of the year. The #1 worst trade is the one for Willis. DD basically cleaned the cupboard of our minor league relief pitching prospects and done it for a replacement for the guy we sent to Atlanta for our new shortstop (who happens to not be as good defensively as the one we all ready had in Romone Santiago).

  136. charlie

    April 7, 2008 at 2:25 am

    the scary thing is we went to the world series in 06 as a result of our pitching…since then we have cleaned house as far as pitching prospects are concerned…for bats that aren’t producing. i’m hoping the off season trades don’t go down in the lsit for 10 worst off season moves in hisotry.

  137. Mike R

    April 7, 2008 at 2:56 am

    My thing is, who was Dombrowski supposed to get? It’s not like there are 15 Dennis Eckersley’s hanging around just waiting to be signed. They mishandled Andrew Miller from the beginning. And the trades didn’t decimate the farm system, the graduations of Verlander/Granderson/Zumaya/etc. from the farm system into the bigs is what took the pitching out of our minor leagues. Pitching depth is something that is hard to build throughout your system and unless you’re perennial losers like the Reds or Rays or the Tigers for the longest time. And we did build up the pitching depth in the Verlanders/Bondermans/Zumayas of the world.

    Were we supposed to go get Eric Gagne who’s appearing more and more shot by the outing? Obviously part of the problem are the injuries and Rodney probably being done for a long, long time (possibly for his career) and Zumaya’s injury, but I still think Jim Leyland (and this has been my on-going complaint with him even though for the most part I think the effect of managers are overrated by the mainstream media) completely mishandles the entire bullpen. The way Zach Miner is used/not used, bringing Seay for one hitter when it’s not a crucial situation for the matchup, not taking out Denny Bautista against the Royals until an inning too late, etc etc.

    Not to mention, I don’t think he did a good job of getting the starters arms stretched out in spring training? Didn’t Kenny Rogers go 4+ innings and throw something like 54 pitches in his final ST start? Isn’t that the time for him to go 6 and throw 85 pitches?

    That said, there’s 156 games left, Miguel Cabrera’s quad will heal (so long as he’s not playing 3B in a night game in Detroit in 40 degree weather … another solid decision, Jimmy) and he will go off. The tigers won’t hit into 394 double plays in 6 games, and Verlander/Bonderman shouldn’t be hitting a proverbial wall in the 5th-6th innings as they get more stretched out.

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  139. Mark in Chicago

    April 7, 2008 at 9:51 am

    I want to make the point again – it really seems like we are one season behind the White Sox. They won it in ’05 based on their pitching and timely hitting, we got to the World Series in ’06 using the same formula. The pitching let the Sox down in ’06, while a couple of their guys (Dye, Crede) has monster years for the offense. Our pitching and bullpen were pretty soft last year, but Maggs, Polly and Granderson had huge seasons. Last year, the Sox inexplicably had their entire offense go into a slump for the bulk of the year as they looked like an old team. Meanwhile, the middle relief was absolutely atrocious and gave them no shot to win.

    So far, the Tigers in 2008….. well, we all know how that’s turned out so far.

  140. Ryan In Brooklyn

    April 7, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Bad Luck/Bad Play? I say there’s been both. My guess is that with better luck, we’d be 1-5 or 2-4. With better play, 3-3 or maybe 4-2. Either way, the players need to work out of this funk and start playing like they’re capable of playing.

  141. Dave BW

    April 7, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Pythagorean formula would have our win percentage at .1288, meaning our expected won/loss record thus far would be about 1-5. Unless I’ve totally messed up the math, which is certainly possible.

  142. Stephen

    April 7, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Mike R: I missed you this off-season! Regarding acquiring Gagne in 2008 or, say, Dotel in 2007, yeah, you go after these guys! They may work out, they may not, but please, give me something! At least make an effort. Not all moves are going to work out, but the frustrating thing about the Tigers bullpen moves is they have been non-existent. And yes I know there have been some minor trades, but nothing to try and jolt to life a persistent dead spot on this team.

  143. Chris

    April 7, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    I just heard a stat where the Tiger’s middle relief have allowed 88% of inheranted runners to score durring these last six miserable games… OUCH!!!!!

  144. cib

    April 7, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Hi Stephen. Missed all of you guys this offseason. I had the same thought about Dotel while I was sitting at the ballpark on Friday watching him pitch against us.

    Enjoy the basketball game tonight, I plan to root for Kansas since they are Curtis’s favorite team!

  145. Kevin in Austin

    April 7, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    88%, goodness. I’m pretty sure that a pitching machine would give up less than that.

  146. Mike R

    April 7, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Stephen: I kind of took a sabbatical from baseball for 4+ months and kind of got jaded on the sport as a whole for some reason or another. So, it’s good to be back, I miss the arguments, they’re always a good time.

    While I obviously would like a better bullpen, but making moves for the sole purpose of just making moves doesn’t sound like quite the plan a team should take. Dotel in 07 ended the year hurt if I remember correctly and his mechanics lend themselves to more injuries. Gagne looks shot. Aside from the Brewers (acquiring Gagne) and the Reds (overpaying for Franky Cordero), there really wasn’t much on the market. So you’re left picking the barrel for guys who’re journeyman arms with no guarantees to be good or bad. To me, the bullpen is the most volatile part of a team and outside of the Mariners (when they’re healthy) or the Red Sox, every single bullpen (save a couple that might be slipping my mind) have plenty of question marks. Also, when starters are going 5 or barely into the 6th and our mediocre arms have to come in to put out the fire of 1st and 3rd’s with 0 out, it’s a lot to ask even of elite arms — let alone guys like Jason Grilli/Denny Bautista/etc.

    I can’t really disagree that much with you though. The bullpen is depressing to watch but I’m still not OVERLY worried but I’m getting there.

  147. Adam

    April 7, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    I think it all boils down to one at-bat.

    The first game, after Guillen tied it up with a towering shot, Renteria (the veteran) had a guy on third with one out and the W on his bat.

    But he struck out.

    And I think what’s happened since has just been an extension of that.

    Jesus, and we have to go against Matsuzaka tomorrow. Whatever.

  148. huron692

    August 22, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    such poor play by the tigers if the hit it might be fun