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Fish Eye on the Tigers

Dan Fox at Baseball Prospectus recently did a post where he used the enhanced gameday (aka pitch/fx) data to categorize hitters by eye. He broke hitters down into the following groups and subsequently created some pretty slick graphs.

While Detroit Tigers hitters were included in the analysis, it was tough to tease out exactly where they fell. Inspired, I thought I do the same analysis but focus on the Tigers. My numbers didn’t work out exactly the same as Fox’s, but the categorization of the players seemed to be fairly consistent. One reason for the disparity on the Eye metric is that the way I parse the data, I didn’t have the count readily available so I didn’t filter out taking on 3-0. The other discrepancy is probably the width of strike zone used. Fox said he used the 17 inch wide plate. Because only a portion of the ball has to cross the plate for a strike, I included the radius of the ball on either side of the plate as well. I’m also not sure how he included bunts and bunt attempts or being hit by a pitch. Regardless, the points remain the same.

As for the specifics on how the numbers differed, here are the league averages I calculated for each:

Fox then graphed Fish value against Eye values which put hitters into one of four categories. The graph of just the Tigers hitters is below:

Tigers batting eye

The first things that jump out in these types of graphs are the outliers. I don’t think that anyone is surprised that Pudge Rodriguez swings at more pitches out of the zone than anyone on the team. In fact, he swings at more than anyone in Major League Baseball.

What may surprise though is Sean Casey being in the lower left quadrant. Casey doesn’t strike out a whole lot, but he tends to swing at the bad pitches and take the good ones. The other surprise, especially given his strikeout rates, is Brandon Inge who is better than many of his peers in swinging at the pitches he should swing at and taking the ones he shouldn’t. Of course check swings where you go to far are still counted as swings so make of that what you will.

The last thing to notice is pretty much a team wide trend, and that is that the team tends to lean towards to the left, and that they are more likely than a typical team to chase pitches out of the zone. Even those players in the more patient hemisphere still are towards the middle. On a team level it confirms what pretty much everyone suspected based on observations.

The table below has the numbers for each of the Tigers:

Brandon Inge 84% 27% 54% 35%
Cameron Maybin 80% 30% 40% 39%
Carlos Guillen 86% 32% 73% 20%
Curtis Granderson 89% 29% 63% 36%
Gary Sheffield 87% 27% 79% 42%
Ivan Rodriguez 81% 54% 77% 25%
Magglio Ordonez 88% 28% 76% 25%
Marcus Thames 73% 41% 63% 25%
Mike Hessman 82% 35% 65% 29%
Mike Rabelo 83% 34% 74% 17%
Omar Infante 84% 38% 79% 38%
Placido Polanco 96% 29% 89% 39%
Ramon Santiago 86% 43% 73% 26%
Ryan Raburn 77% 32% 60% 28%
Sean Casey 95% 39% 84% 43%
Timo Perez 88% 37% 84% 32%
Team 86% 33% 72% 32%

Baseball Prospectus | Articles | Schrodinger’s Bat: The Return of the Fish Eye

Posted by on September 14, 2007.


Categories: 2007 Season, Offense, Research, Statistics

6 Responses

  1. Interesting… these numbers seem to indicate that Granderson’s and Inge’s high strikeout numbers aren’t the result of swinging at too many balls, but rather not being able to hit/foul off the balls they do swing at at a league average rate; the problem isn’t pitch recognition, it’s the ability to reroute a swing in the middle and just get a piece instead of missing the pitch entirely.

    Before the dizzying highs and gut-freezing lows of the coming two weeks, I would like to thank you, Billfer, for the great stuff you put up on this site week after week after week. I consider myself a fairly knowledgeable fan, but there is some real horizon-expanding stuff I’ve seen on here. If the Tigers were to create some sort of publicly elected stat-geek position, you’d have my vote.

    11-4 for the playoffs. Go Tigers!

    by Ryan on Sep 14, 2007 at 1:54 pm

  2. Ya gotta be careful, Ryan. The numbers need to be broken down by pitch count in order to make conclusions. It could be that they recognize pitches properly when they have an even or favorable count, yet flail desperately when backed against a wall.

    by Jeff M on Sep 14, 2007 at 5:05 pm

  3. Jeff, point certainly taken, but the numbers, even without any sort of information about the count, seem to me to indicate that these two are poor bad ball hiters, not that they swing at too many bad balls. The count certainly affects any specific conclusions, but I feel safe in screaming “Way to miss that, Inge” instead of “Way to swing at that Inge” at the TV from now on.

    by Ryan on Sep 14, 2007 at 6:45 pm

  4. Very nice! You’re correct in that I’m not accounting for *any* part of the ball intersecting with the zone. In effect I’m looking as far out as a pitch centered on the border but should probably move it out an additional 1.45 inches as you did.

    Hit by pitches are not included in the pitchf/x data today and I did not filter out bunt attempts but certainly should have.


    by DanAgonistes on Sep 15, 2007 at 1:03 am

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