Game 2009.073: Tigers at Astros

PREGAME: In terms of subplots, you need to look no further than the Tigers taking on “the little pudgy one.” Pudge Rodriguez, the catching-est catcher of all time and his former skipper Jim Leyland have already exchanged phone calls in the days leading up to the series. So it sounds like there are no hard feelings.

The Astros come into the series at 33-37. They post a league average OPS, and a league average batting average with RISP. But somehow they only score 4.10 runs per game (NL average is 4.49). Like the Astros offense, the defense is largely average as well.

Random Factoid of the night: The Astros hitters have the highest ground ball percentage in the NL.

Tonight the ‘stros send out Wandy Rodriguez. Looking at his game logs he seems to be either awesome or awful. His numbers on the whole though are pretty impressive with nearly a K an inning and nearly 3 K’s for every walk allowed. He’s given up 10 homers this year, and 9 have come in his last 4 starts.

Bonus Random Factoid of the night: Wandy Rodriguez has made one start against the Tigers, which coincidentally came on June 26th, 2006.

Justin Verlander will be on the mound for the Tigers tonight. He’s been good.

Tonight’s DH-less lineup is:

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Cabrera, 1B
  4. Thames, LF
  5. Inge, 3B
  6. Ordonez RF
  7. Laird, C
  8. Everett, SS
  9. Verlander, P

Detroit vs. Houston – June 26, 2009 | MLB.com: Gameday

POSTGAME: What started off so promising turned so frustrating. Verlander wasn’t sharp today. He didn’t have great command (especially to Lance Berkman unless he meant to throw every pitch a foot outside) and he couldn’t put hitters away. That spelled doom as the bullpen was tasked with holding a 1 run lead for 3.2 innings and the pen wasn’t up to the job.

Joel Zumaya finished off the 7th with a couple pitches, but the 8th inning was a disaster. When he couldn’t put Darrin Erstad away everything unraveled and two more walks meant the game was tied and Zumaya was done. Freddy Dolsi limited the damage in a bases loaded 1 out situation to 1 run which isn’t bad for his first appearance.

  • On one hand you want to bash the offense. They scored 4 early runs and that was it. But it wasn’t like the offense went to sleep, they just couldn’t push a run across. I don’t know if the fact they had eleventy chances with RISP and got nothing after the 2nd inning is more or less frustrating than if they’d been no hit the rest of the way
  • Magglio Ordonez had an awful game. His first time up he drove the ball to right field and that was fine, a hard out. But then it was ground ball fiesta again including a double play. He also failed to make a play on what looked to be a pretty catchable ball.
  • Zach Miner did a nice job once again throwing a double play ball to end the 6th inning.
  • Leyland said as much in his postgame, but this one had a bad feeling for awhile. With Verlander struggling and the offense not cashing in on chances, and the Astros chipping away, it felt like the Tigers were on the wrong side. The side they hadn’t been on as of late where they were coming back and doing what they needed to do. They just didn’t get it done tonight.

Comments

68 responses to “Game 2009.073: Tigers at Astros”

  1. Ken in Vegas Avatar
    Ken in Vegas

    This is the most sensical line-up that Jim has ever put on paper. This is literally the only time in the last several years where my ideal line-up matches his.

    1. Coleman Avatar
      Coleman

      It’s almost but not quite at matching mine–I’d have Ordonez 7th (I realize it’s unlikely he would put him 7th, I’m just saying ideally…)

      Inge gets on base a lot–he especially draws a lot of walks. You’re maybe asking a little for the GIDP having Ordonez follow him.

  2. Chris Avatar

    I like Inge hitting 5th. (Wow! I never thought I would say that)

  3. Eric Cioe Avatar
    Eric Cioe

    Verlander should get his first career hit tonight.

  4. Keith (Mr. X) Avatar
    Keith (Mr. X)

    Good gawd did Cabrera crush that.

  5. Keith (Mr. X) Avatar
    Keith (Mr. X)

    Polanco with a 3 run jack! 4-0

  6. Dylan Avatar

    POLLY! Wooo. These last few Tigers games have been quite fun to watch 🙂

  7. Chris Avatar

    Man. Verlander is doing OK, but the pitch count is trouble.

  8. Dylan Avatar

    Verlander is throwing too many pitches, don’t know how long he’ll last tonight.

  9. Mcb Avatar
    Mcb

    Hope JV can work out of this leadoff double

  10. Chris Avatar

    It’s odd to see Verlander struggle to get outs when he seemed to get ahead of the hitters much of the time.

  11. Kevin in Dallas Avatar
    Kevin in Dallas

    Is this the 3rd or 4th appearance in a row for Nate w/o an out?

  12. Mcb Avatar
    Mcb

    When is the last time Nate got an out? He’s taking up a roster spot.

    1. Chris Avatar

      Yea, but at least he was efficient. He served-up that hit on only two pitches. Nate Robertson is well rested and available to serve-up a hit without getting an out tomorrow.

  13. Chris Avatar

    This should be Nate Robertson’s last appearance as a Tiger. It is time to eat that contract. That money is lost. Gone! He is absolutely useless and is occupying a valuable roster spot.

  14. jud Avatar
    jud

    well at least Robertson was lights out!

  15. Kevin in Dallas Avatar
    Kevin in Dallas

    Here comes The Wolf.

  16. Kevin in Dallas Avatar
    Kevin in Dallas

    Muthatruckin Money. This is his spot.

  17. mcb Avatar
    mcb

    Nice job Miner!

  18. Andrew in Toronto Avatar
    Andrew in Toronto

    What do you call a LOOGY who never actually gets anyone out?

  19. jud Avatar
    jud

    now I get it!!! let Roberston put a guy on, get the next pitcher in, DP….brilliant coaching ..I never thought of that

    1. Coleman Avatar
      Coleman

      Luckily they had time to real billfer’s Random Factoid before the game, and knew the Astros loved to hit those ground balls….

  20. mcb Avatar
    mcb

    Maggs has left a lot of men on base 2nite

    1. Coleman Avatar
      Coleman

      With all the various ways Maggs has struggled the very worst–and the most un-Maggs-like–has been managing to do anything with the runner-on-3rd-less-than-2-out scenario. He has always been great at that–his career BA is around .440.
      This season: .190.

      So far this season–and surely he must lead the league in THIS–in 13 PA he has managed 4 GIDP (and struck out twice).

  21. Chris Avatar

    Time to get that bench space open for Ordonez this weekend in Houston

  22. jud Avatar
    jud

    I thought Maggs hit a double off the wall …but it was a ground ball to SS

  23. mcb Avatar
    mcb

    Ok I think that ball coulda been caught

  24. drepamig Avatar
    drepamig

    Mags looked like he was jogging to that ball… would Clete or Kelly have caught it? I sure think so… and I doubt they’d GIDP any more than Maggs has been.

  25. jud Avatar
    jud

    how about he job Miner does in these middle innings..wow has he been solid this month or what

  26. jud Avatar
    jud

    let the real game begin!

  27. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    By the way, in billfer’s pre-game bit he raises the mystery of how the Astros can be avg or above in hitting and hitting with RISP, yet have a low run/game avg…I believe one clue can be found which helps at least some in solving this mystery. One category where they are far, far above avg offensively: GIDP. (12 above avg, 1 short of being league high).

    I remember watching a mystery with a similar plot last year somewhere…

  28. Mcb Avatar
    Mcb

    Zoom is not getting any swing and misses

    1. jud Avatar
      jud

      as fast as his FB is it has very little movement..its just very fast

      reply ..or location

  29. Mcb Avatar
    Mcb

    Speed doesn’t matter when you can’t throw a strike.

  30. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    Ahhh! I was watching a baseball game but now i come back and something really scary is on instead!

  31. ian (seattle) Avatar
    ian (seattle)

    GOSH DARNIT JOEL

  32. jud Avatar
    jud

    hey Zoom maybe if you try and throw it 200 MPH they might be strikes.
    ..Pitch the dam ball ..not just throw it

  33. Skip Avatar
    Skip

    Wow. Just when I thought our bullpen was mildly decent, Zoom-Zoom can’t throw a strike!!
    I am soooo sick of Tigers’ pitchers giving up free passes with the bases full. Well, now Dolsi comes in for clean-up control and lets in the winning run!

  34. jud Avatar
    jud

    what a waste of a lot of effort by others….. in 5 minutes

    1. Jeff Avatar
      Jeff

      Zumaya wasted things, but so did the offense over the previous six innings.

      1. Coleman Avatar
        Coleman

        The bases-loaded one-out GIDP hurt…

  35. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    Nothing like making your first appearance of the season in unfavorable circumstances, here ya go, bases loaded, enjoy Freddy!

    1. tigersfan182 Avatar
      tigersfan182

      talk about Leyland setting up a rookie for failure. He’s lucky he only gave up the one run.

  36. Kevin in Dallas Avatar
    Kevin in Dallas

    Zumaya really got a few calls there too…coulda been a bit quicker than it was.

  37. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    After it got to be 4-2 the game got nerve-wracking, just a sense of dread. Here’s hoping they can pull out another one.

  38. jud Avatar
    jud

    two runs on 1 hit…we got Zoooomed

  39. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    There are only so many times you’re gonna bail yourselves out of situations like this…what are the odds Binge pulls off another save? Rescue Raburn is still on the bench…would Leyland ever bat him for Ordonez (hmm…maybe once every million years).

  40. Mcb Avatar
    Mcb

    Zumaya doesn’t know how to pitch. He just throws. Knapp has a project on his hands there.

  41. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    Oh my blood pressure! Josh looked out on that one…

  42. jud Avatar
    jud

    Anderson a good bunter not bunting …brilliant

    1. Jeff Avatar
      Jeff

      Disagree. Moving Cabrera to second is better than him staying on first, but he doesn’t score on that many singles.

    2. Coleman Avatar
      Coleman

      And he actually, strangely, has not been a good bunter so far. He has been successful in 1 of 3 sac bunt attempts so far this season, the only Tiger with 2 blown sac bunt attempts.

  43. Chris Avatar

    Can Raburn do it again?

  44. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    Is David around? Anderson somehow barely twisted right around the tag on that–maybe you’re onto something with your “Snake” nickname for Anderson…hey, and the announcers just said he “kind of slithered” into 2nd base…

  45. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    No Rescue Raburn today…

  46. jud Avatar
    jud

    well the streak can’t go one forever I guess. We might as well lose in one of the two ways we lose…. BULLPEN….At least it wasn’t because the Tigs could only score 1 run…go tomorrow

    1. Coleman Avatar
      Coleman

      Here’s what gets me about it though. We now have, unless it’s changed a lot the last couple of days, the BEST defensive team in the league. And they routinely spend entire innings standing around while batters fill the bases, slowly, until they slowly walk home the runs that beat them.

      As good as they are, none of them have the range to prevent the walk…

      1. Kevin in Dallas Avatar
        Kevin in Dallas

        Fantastic post.

        1. jud Avatar
          jud

          That post is right on!
          ..we are going on two years of walk after walk after walk by relief pitchers…do the Tigers lead the league now in walked in runs?

          1. Coleman Avatar
            Coleman

            I was pretty sure they must, but I decided to look it up to make sure. They don’t lead the league in walked in runs…they DOMINATE the league in walked in runs; in fact it is probable that if they don’t have any more from now until the end of the season they will still finish the season with the most.

            They also have the added distinction of being the only team in the league that with the bases loaded are more likely to walk the batter than to strike him out. Here are the AL team totals for bases loaded walks / HBP / strikeouts / PA / BB-HBP Rate:

            DET 15 1 13 103 16%
            TBR 8 1 13 69 13%
            MIN 6 0 9 57 11%
            BOS 5 3 12 74 11%
            KCR 4 1 7 57 9%
            NYY 6 1 18 85 8%
            TEX 5 1 13 73 8%
            OAK5 1 15 77 8%
            CLE 6 1 22 112 6%
            LAA 4 1 12 90 6%
            CHW4 0 13 70 6%
            TOR 2 2 15 65 6%
            SEA 4 0 12 81 5%
            BAL 3 1 9 83 5%

            AL AVG 5 1 13 78 8%

            This is what I call a comfortable lead–when you have more than the combined totals of the guys who are 2nd and 3rd on the list…

            Of course the based-loaded walks problem would be smaller if we weren’t going around with bases-loaded all the time; only CLE has more, but they seem to prefer striking them out to walking them.

            I was surprised how common the bases-loaded HBP is–BOS already has 3, and in fact only SEA, CHW, and MIN haven’t had one yet (CHW?). And also surprised that the cream of the crop overall turns out to be…the Orioles (?!).

  47. Coleman Avatar
    Coleman

    I think maybe Joel needs some time seated in the Ordonez section, and maybe a haircut, before we see him out there next…

    1. jud Avatar
      jud

      only if he is seated next to Ordonez who must have needed a rest today after the haircut and two hits yesterday..

  48. tigersfan182 Avatar
    tigersfan182

    Zumaya needs a reality check, send him to AAA and make him throw strikes.

    1. Vince in MN Avatar
      Vince in MN

      Exactly. Zumaya needs to learn how to pitch and the major league staff isn’t the place to do it. Destination Toledo, and not just for a week or two.

  49. TONY Avatar

    I AGREE, HE NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE MINORS UNTIL HE LEARNS TO CONTROL HIS PITCHES. AND SEND RODNEY ALSO. HE TENDS TO GIVE UP WALKS, HITS, EVERY TIME HE COMES OUT. MOST TIMES HE LUCKS OUT TO KEEP FROM LOSING ANOTHER ONE

  50. Keith (Mr. X) Avatar
    Keith (Mr. X)

    Zumaya has nothing to prove in the minors. He just needs to learn to handle the pressure in the late innings. Only experience at the MLB level will give him what he needs.

    He’s having some growing pains and is still learning from his mistakes.

  51. Keith (Mr. X) Avatar
    Keith (Mr. X)

    We all know the bullpen is our major weakness. It’s actually done a lot better than what I’ve expected also. IMO, they’ve been pretty good at holding leads late in the game. Does anyone have any stats on blown saves? I don’t think the Tigers have that many compared to other teams.

    1. Keith (Mr. X) Avatar
      Keith (Mr. X)

      The Tigers have 11 blown saves as a team. The MLB average is 10. So yesterday at this time the Tigers pen blew an average amount of saves.