Game 53: Tigers at Angels

PREGAME: Detroit tries to avoid being swept and moving 11 games below .500. Oy.

Armando Galarraga against Joe Saunders.

Notes from Jason Beck include that Curtis Granderson is going to play against more lefties, starting tonight. Also Marcus Thames is the full time starting left fielder for the time being because he’s earned it over the last couple years. Make of that what you will. And Carlos Guillen gets the day off, and tomorrow, to take care of some “issues” if you know what I mean.

The Tigers lineup tonight is:

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Thames, LF
  4. Ordonez, DH
  5. Cabrera, 1B
  6. Rodriguez, C
  7. Renteria, SS
  8. Inge, 3B
  9. Raburn, RF

DET @ LAA, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

POSTGAME: I’m sleepy. Offense – good. You go Marcus Thames. Pitching – good. Galarraga had a shaky first inning and was helped by a double play and a diving play. Then it was cruise control until the 9th. Defense – good. See aforementioned diving play and add 2 more double plays.

Ladies and gentlemen: Your 4th place Tigers!

Comments

188 responses to “Game 53: Tigers at Angels”

  1. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Why is Thames batting third? Oh crimeny, this team will be the death of me!

  2. Tbone Avatar
    Tbone

    Bring on the pain, I say! The only thing we haven’t seen yet this dreadful season is a blown save from TJ. Let’s remind ourselves again the magnitude of ugly we have created:

    1-27 in games scoring less than 5 runs.

    A whopping 3 (count ’em 3!) runs plated in the last 33 innings after scoring 19 in the first 5 on Saturday night.

    I wouldn’t miss tonight’s game for anything. Go Tigers!

  3. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    I wonder what Billfer mean by “issues.” I feel I have a right to know.

    The news about Thames is good. I like the lineup. Thames is golden with men on. Not so much otherwise.

    #6 is just a typo on Billfer’s part, I’m pretty sure. Maybe just a Freudian slip – that guy used to play for the Tigers, right?

  4. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    I wonder what Billfer mean by “issues.” I feel I have a right to know.

    The news about Thames is good. I like the lineup. Thames is golden with men on. Not so much otherwise.

    #6 is just a typo on Billfer’s part, I’m pretty sure. Maybe just a Freudian slip – that guy used to play for the Tigers, right?

  5. Kurt Avatar

    I have a feeling we won’t see Guillen “sitting” the bench any time soon.

  6. Neal Avatar
    Neal

    I think Joyce just lost it, and Thames hasn’t been horrible. It looks like the Tigers have decided that they will stay in house and see what happens.

  7. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Okay, Tigers, you get one hour to win me over tonight. You can’t expect me to miss WGN’s reruns of Scrubs episodes I’ve seen a dozen times for just anything.

  8. Vince in MN Avatar
    Vince in MN

    I am sure Billfer’s note on Guillen was a misprint. What he meant to say was that Guillen “has to take care of some tissues.”

    That’s some “drastic” lineup for tonight’s game.

  9. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Now more than ever, Carlos Guillen is a stand up guy.

  10. Neal Avatar
    Neal

    Scrubs, maybe they have an espisode about roids on tonight.

  11. Kyle J Avatar

    I’m pleased Marcus Thames is finally being freed, but do we have to reserve Sheffield’s #3 spot for him? Over a full season, you cost Cabrera roughly 36 plate appearances by batting him 5th rather than 3rd.

    Also pleased that Grandy’s going to play against lefties. That has to happen eventually.

  12. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Nice, Vince.

    I the Tigers bats are due for coming alive tonight. It’s not like they’re going up against the Royals or anything. Granderson has to start it off with a leadoff homer. Has he ever done this vs. a lefty?

  13. Chris Avatar

    Why is Guillen the butt of all the jokes lately?

    Man, just when we thought things were tough with red-hot opposing pitchers, in comes the hottest of them all: Joe Saunders. This is the worst team to run into at the worst time. That pitching staff is unbelievable right now.

  14. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Sean — Umm… jeez… I saw him do it in spring training once…

    I feel good about this game, though. This team was built to crush lefties!

  15. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    “Over a full season, you cost Cabrera roughly 36 plate appearances by batting him 5th rather than 3rd.”

    That is a very good point. As much as I root for Thames at all times, Cabrera belongs at #3. (Now watch Thames win the #3 slot for keeps tonight.)

  16. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    That was clutch, Chris.

    I guess you’re telling me it ain’t gonna happen, huh Dave? I’ll take a triple instead.

  17. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Granderson singles to left. Take that, Baseball Prospectus!

  18. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Polanco K’s after Mario and Rod talked for five minutes about how he doesn’t do that. 1 on, 1 out

  19. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Granderson is still batting (1-2) in my epoch, Dave, Nice to be able to peer into the future via DTW!

  20. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Thames homers (!), making me look like an idiot. 2-0!

  21. Tbone Avatar
    Tbone

    As Rod likes to call him: “Country Strong!”

  22. Kyle J Avatar

    You don’t usually see two lineup moves payoff that quickly.

  23. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    Nice job Marcus . . .

  24. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Thames homers, making me look like a genius. Marcus!!

  25. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Three singles in a row and Maggs scores. Saunders has thrown almost 30 pitches.

  26. Tbone Avatar
    Tbone

    What a nice first inning – 3 off of Saunders already who is sporting a 2.31 ERA and 30 + pitches.

    Brandon nearly made it 6-0.

  27. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Thanks a lot, Saunders, my fantasy team’s stats for the night shall be ruined

  28. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Gallaraga walks slugging machine Reggie Willits on four straight pitches

  29. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    A good game for Pudge would even accounts for us nicely, Dave. And I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the updates, living here on Mars (did I hear a loud noise here the other day? Nah. Couldn’ta been.) Not only does it help me, this kind of thing also helps keep the game thread in context for those who read through later. Much obliged, my friend!

  30. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Sorry to feel it but I think these 3 runs will not mean anything at the end of the night….anyone else feel that way?

  31. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Sweet double play though!

  32. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Regardless of feelings….let’s hope for the best!

  33. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Double play, complete with a Polanco teeth-clench! Armando sure lucked out there

    UPDATE: Awesome diving Granderson catch gets them out of the inning. A guy could get used to this Guillen-less defense.

  34. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Granderson seems on his game!…..That will make a difference!

  35. billfer Avatar
    billfer

    Baseball’s a funny game. Saunders fans 3, but a couple ground balls find their way through the infield (yeah, I know he gave up a jack also). Galarraga walks a guy and allows to line drives but with no damage.

  36. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    That double play’s gotta feel good, for them as well as us. Fire things up. Yeah.

  37. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Rod: “Wilson and Rawlings would be pleased to see the work of both teams the last few days. You see because those are the two largest manufacturers of gloves, and the defense of these teams has been outstanding”.

    Thanks for the clarification, Rod.

  38. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    The Tigers are due for some of this stuff to go their way, Billfer. They’ve been on the other side lately.

  39. Tbone Avatar
    Tbone

    They still need to score two more to have a chance…

  40. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Rod would be in trouble if he tried to explain further, Dave. Unless baseball glove sales go up based on good defensive performances or something. Could be. : – )

  41. cib Avatar
    cib

    Nice roids lines, guys. I noticed this morning, starting with Tom Gage and on to the radio guys, everyone had stolen my original Preparation DH line. I guess it was too obvious. Poor Carlos. Now no matter what he does that’s what you think about. Oy!!

    Well, gave up on the Wings and switched on the Tigers. Wow. I am going to stop watching for a while, I don’t want to jinx anything. See you all a bit later.

  42. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Brandon is such a relief at 3rd…..Guillen has been soooooooooo unpredictable but Inge makes them money in the bank.

  43. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Did you see that………..? Inge did another one!

  44. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    No, I’m fairly certain they stole it directly from you, cib. Jerks.

  45. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Could it be that Inge has snuck back into the starting lineup? I won’t tell if you don’t.

  46. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    I hope so, Sean. In theory, we have the kind of offense that should be capable of supporting one all-defense/no-hit player

  47. cib Avatar
    cib

    Thanks Dave, I do wonder if any of the writers lurk on this blog.

    I’m trying not to watch but I do agree that it’s good to see Brandon playing third.

    Now lets get those 12 runs we need to make me feel confident. . . .

  48. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Saunders is in a groove now. Aside from two bad innings in the last three days, Angels starters have been phenomenal

  49. Dylan Avatar

    I almost guarantee some of the writers read this blog.

  50. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Not a game goes by with Inge at 3B, especially of late, where I don’t see positive comments on it here. Leyland has got to see it, and you know the pichers see it. The team has got to see it. I think it’s a fait accompli.

    Ah, I’ve been waiting to use that one.

  51. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    I almost guarantee the Tigers will win. (Kidding, Dylan.)

    Saunders in a groove is not good. We can’t have a repeat of the pattern of the last 2 games. Score early and die. OK, one game.

  52. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    A couple months of the Cabrera/Guillen 3B tandem has provided a healthy dose of perspective

  53. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Apparently Willits is a fan of Kenny Lofton, which is fitting since they are the exact same player

  54. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    The Tigers need to do something to get Saunders OUT of his groove. Something unexpected. Run out in front of a pitch and get hit. Fall down and feign seizures. Do something DIFFERENT, guys.

  55. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Experience has shown that we really need about a five run differential to make a game bullpen-proof

  56. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    How is Galaragga? Better than last time?

  57. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Brandon Wood misses first base by about a foot, and Renteria gets on first on the error. An honest to god baserunner, guys!

  58. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    I think Renteria leads the Tigers in reaching on errors (seriously). Interesting.

  59. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    One thing that would help Sean is to swing the bat at strikes..especially with 2 strikes and pitches close.

  60. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Galarraga has definitely looked better than last time. He just struck out two in a 1-2-3 inning

  61. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Sky – Tigers not looking good at the plate again, I take it? How can a team like his sputter offensively for so long? What gives?

  62. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Aren’t you watching, Sean? Gallaraga looks sharp………very sharp.

  63. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    They did score 3 runs and had a nice 1st inning, Sean. But nothing since. They have done that a lot this year.Why? If someone only knew!

  64. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    AG getting stronger as the game goes on? He did, in fact, recover fairly well from one horrible inning last time out.

    Is he at 83 pitches yet?

  65. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    No, I can’t watch, Sky. No TV, no satellite, no high-speed Internet, living in the sticks and far from Detroit.

  66. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Galarraga’s at 45 pitches, 31 strikes.

    Placido with a ground-rule double

  67. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    OH MY LORD Thames homers again! 5-0.

  68. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Sean, Polly doubled…Thames just hit his 2nd homer…..5-0…Light is shining here in So Cal!

  69. Tbone Avatar
    Tbone

    Country Strong delivers again!

    And they have their 5 runs to give them a fair chance…

  70. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Billfer, I really think there’s something worth looking into about the Tigers scoring early and then going to sleep. Maybe just a test of that perception. Maybe it’s false, but it sure seems true. Why does it happen, what does it mean? Besides a losing record.

  71. Jon Reynolds Avatar
    Jon Reynolds

    Are the Tigers going to find a way to loose again tonight?

  72. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    BTW, the Royals somehow lost again, so right now we are all alone in fourth place. Fourth place! Party!!

  73. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Makes you think that if Thames had been batting 3rd all year we might be above .500, and Sheffield may not have a job when he gets back.

  74. Jon Reynolds Avatar
    Jon Reynolds

    The Pistons pull to within 3! Man must be nice to be behind and think your team is going to win…

  75. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    See, all I have to do is whine and complain. Country Strong – I love it! I’m rarely prescient (though that’s on purpose, of course), but Thames is delivering for me tonight.

    Thames is my Tiger.

  76. jason Avatar
    jason

    I just tuned in… I like the looks of our new 3rd hitter. 🙂

  77. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Let’s see if this works:

    Why is Renteria batting seventh? Oh crimeny, this team will be the death of me!

  78. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Thames is just outrageous with men on, has been all year. His men-on OPS must be at about 1.500 by now. I’m not kidding. (Inge was at 1.115 not so long ago).

  79. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Hope it works, Dave. Good thinking.

    Tigers are going to make me late for work again. In a better cause this time, I hope.

  80. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Thames was at 1.011 with men on before today. Obviously it’s going to be a bit higher now.

  81. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Sean….I hate to ask again. What does OPS mean?

  82. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    cib, one from the memory banks: During the 1980 World Series when George Brett had a similar problem to Guillen, WRIF’s George “Dick the Bruiser” Baier referred to KC’s solution as “Preparation DH”. Great minds . . .

  83. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    And… Renteria reaches on an error! Right?

  84. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    I thought I knew so much….but this OPS stat is one I have never heard of….

  85. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Sky – On-base percentage plus slugging percentage. A truer measure of overall hitting prowess than average or slugging alone.

  86. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Saunders out, Speier in.

  87. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Here’s another thought…if Gallaraga is still shutting them out after 7…..does Leyland bring in relief? Why? What will it mean is going to happen? Just thinking ahead…………..

  88. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Thanks, Sean. It is interesting to learn, but I never had known of it. Makes sense too.

  89. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    The Tigers are out after 8 pitches. They must have been double parked or something.

  90. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Uh-oh. Reliever in, Dave? Time for some BP against a bullpen, for a change. That would be the icing on the cake, and I DO want more runs in any case. Got a real complex about this now.

  91. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Yes, Armando, walk Brandon Wood. You don’t want to have to deal with that magic bat.

  92. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    If AG can shut out the Angels to end a 4 game skid, he’s got to be in like Flynn. 5 straight qualty starts, one from each guy? Please, let it be so.

  93. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Sorry, 3 game.

    Sky, I didn’t know about OPS as recently as 2006, so don’t feel bad. You’ll catch up quick around here.

  94. tiff Avatar

    Sean I didn’t want to be the one to say it (regarding quality starts)…

    I’m kind of hoping this team will be bizzaro 2007 team. Suck before the All Star break and then go on a tear after it. It’s pretty much my only hope right now…

    Can’t stay up for the rest, will dream of good results. Night!

  95. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    I want a shutout. In other words, I want 9 from Galaragga, even if he has to throw 150 pitches. But how will that make Bonderman feel?

  96. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    tiff

    I’m hoping this will be the bizarro 2006 team. They were 74-34 at the high water mark, i believe, and finished 22-32. Boy, something strikes me about those last 2 numbers.

  97. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Thames hits a sacrifice fly to move Granderson to third. Two on, one out. Ordonez gets the intentional walk.

    Seriously, Thames has nearly hit four home runs tonight.

  98. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Cabs up with bases loaded one out. Booyah.

  99. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Cabrera sac flies Granderson home. 6-0. Very nearly had a grand slam, there.

  100. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Eerie lack of updates. Getting dark, cold. Spooky.

    I fear the worst. Cruceta -miraculously available – came in, and now Seay is pitching in the bottom of the 12th.

  101. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    “Cruceta -miraculously available – came in, and now Seay is pitching in the bottom of the 12th.”

    What can I say, Sean, Leyland had a hunch 🙂

  102. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Thanks, guys, So fear and pessimism must be the key. Our good vibes last night cost Detroit one in the W column.

  103. Mike R Avatar

    WHAT IS LEYLAND THINKING?! GALARRAGA’S ARM IS GOING TO FALL OFF, HE’S ALMOST AT 70 PITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  104. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Sean………you didn’t tell me if you are seeing this game…..or following online……..2 outs in bottom 7

    Gallaraga pitching like Walter Johnson

  105. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    You mean the hunch about Thames, Dave? Yeah, we’ve gotta give him credit for that.

    Almost 4 HRs. Tell me, were men on every AB for him tonight?

  106. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Joyce replaces Thames.

    Anderson pops out to Polanco.

    Hunter K’s swinging.

    Last night’s hero Matthews up.
    EDIT: Matthews grounds out. Armando through 7 at 77 pitches.

  107. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Nevermind, doublepost

  108. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Sky – I did tell you. Go back. Short version: No, I can’t watch the game.

    Dave, sorry, saw your post in partial form at first, with only the Leyland statement. I getcha now.

  109. Sky Avatar
    Sky

    Seven innings gone…….We don’t need relief pitchers tonight!

    I remember in the 60’s when all starters went all 9 innings even after giving up several runs. I know the game is different now..but why take someone out who is doing well…….like Bonderman last night?

  110. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Mario and Rod are now talking about Mario’s days as a dart-thrower in college.

  111. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    I’m happy for Armando, for Marcus, for all the Tigers. Come on guys, don’t let up. These times call for a beatdown.

  112. greg Avatar
    greg

    Mike R – LOL – Galaragga & 70 pitches

  113. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Do NOT tell me Leyland brings someone else in for the 8th. And be gentle if you do.

  114. cib Avatar
    cib

    Sky, I’m with you. Let ’em pitch til they keel over!!!

  115. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Hey Mike R, you’ve gotta give Jim some credit for the sweet call on Thames at #3. Right?

  116. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    This game has not been Ryan Raburn’s finest offensive performance

  117. cib Avatar
    cib

    This is what’s aggravating. Renteria exhibits some baserunning skills and still gets stranded at third. Kiss of death.

  118. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Uh oh, Galarraga has allowed a baserunner. It’s probably time to take him out, Jim

  119. Mike R Avatar

    I don’t know how much of a call it was. Thames normally plays against LH hitters and with Guillen out, you’ve got Inge on the infield somewhere (catcher, or, 3B like it is tonight) and your other option is Matt Joyce — a LH — to play the corner spot.

    I mean, it’s worked out but I think he would’ve played even if Guillen were healthy. I do like that he’s going to Granderson to play against more LHP rather than not giving him AB’s against lefties and saying “he needs to learn to hit them.”

    Edit: could have gone with Raburn but he normally likes Thames’ power when one of his big sticks (guillen and sheffield in this care) aren’t playing.

  120. Tbone Avatar
    Tbone

    AG still pitching in the 8th!

  121. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Inge masterminds another double play!

  122. Slashpyne Avatar
    Slashpyne

    could…not…stay…away…
    I know what a liability Inge is on offense, but I bet the starting pitchers love his D. Nice DP!

  123. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Through 8 at 91 pitches.

    PLEASE START HIM IN THE NINTH.

  124. cib Avatar
    cib

    Amen Adam.

    And Slashpyne, I wonder if the starters will band together and hide Carlos’s Prep H so that Brandon can stay at third. Are you reading this, Tigers starters???

  125. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Yeah, Mike, but I wouldn’t have been to surprised to see Thames at #7 and Renteria at #3. Outcomes are unpredictable when you use a Ouija board. Bringing in Cruceta last night was brought to you by Magic 8-Ball. I’m onto him now.

  126. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Good one, cib. How’s about a nice wedgie, Carlos?

    A DP involving the third baseman? Have there been any without Inge in 2008?

  127. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    “could…not…stay…away…”

    Same here, Slashpyne. Boy am I gonna pay a price for this.

  128. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Yay!

  129. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    Galarraga going for the complete game… 1 out

  130. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Two more, come on Armando!

  131. Mike R Avatar

    Haha, Sean, I’m getting what you’re saying. Obviously him hitting 3rd tonight worked out. However, this one instance does not undo any other instances (like, the month+ where Sheff couldn’t lift a bat) in which he put an inferior hitter in the 3 spot.

  132. cib Avatar
    cib

    Maybe that old dog Leyland learned some new tricks after the past two nights. Let the man pitch!!!

  133. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Oh no, Jim’s gonna pull him. DON’T PULL HIM!

  134. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    AG walks Willits for the second time. Todd Jones is warming up.

    EDIT: Maicer Izturis hits his first homer of the year. 6-2

  135. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Ohhhh….now you can pull him.

  136. Kevin in Austin Avatar
    Kevin in Austin

    Wait Leyland, doesn’t a walk = a “no brainer?”

  137. cib Avatar
    cib

    OK, maybe we were all a little bit wrong. Let’s get out of this, I need some sleep.

  138. Kevin in Austin Avatar
    Kevin in Austin

    so much for that.

  139. Joey the K in Portland OR Avatar
    Joey the K in Portland OR

    ok how many times have we given up a weak hitting players first homer of the year this season?

  140. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    And out comes Galarraga. It’s Todd Jonestown Massacre time!

  141. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Everyone ready for the THIRD WALKOFF WIN IN A ROW!!!?!?!

    I know I AM! Seriously though, if that happens there’s a rope in my closet.

  142. billfer Avatar
    billfer

    This is a good move. When Galarraga starts to lose it, it goes really fast. With the heart of the lineup coming up, best not to mess around.

  143. Slashpyne Avatar
    Slashpyne

    Thank God Leyland going to the bullpen. The blog would be
    a-buzz tomorrow discussing this strange mysterious stat called a “CG”

  144. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Mike – I’m not sure what to blame the Sheffield thing on. He might have used a tampered-with Magic 8-Ball for that one.

    Come on Armando!

  145. greg Avatar
    greg

    It would be awfully difficult for a manager to make the wrong decision every single time.

  146. greg Avatar
    greg

    That pop up would have fallen between Guillen and Renteria.

  147. Mike R Avatar

    And Jones closes it out. This pitching change was a-ok by me.

    Sean, he was throwing darts at a board full of results.

  148. Dave BW Avatar
    Dave BW

    A win! And a painless Jones performance.

  149. Mike R Avatar

    I still don’t like how many fly balls Galarraga gives up, though.

  150. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    YAY FIVE QUALITY STARTS IN A ROW!!!

    SHEFF IS ON THE DL! MARCUS IS STARTING! YAY! JOYCE AND HIS SOMBRERO ARE LEAVING! GRANDY IS GONNA PLAY MORE!

    YAY!

    You know, we might not have won the last two games, but I’d much rather lose like that than lose in the first inning.

  151. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    CG? Oh, you mean our DH in waiting, right? Not sure what that has to do with pitching…

    Tell me some good news please!

  152. billfer Avatar
    billfer

    Don’t know if anyone noticed, but Craig Monroe had a pinch hit 3 run homer in the 9th inning which sent the Twins to extra innings, and ultimately the win over the Royals.

  153. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Oh, I’m so glad they won. 6-2? Adam’s right, lots of good news right now. Sorry about Joyce, though.

  154. Joey the K in Portland OR Avatar
    Joey the K in Portland OR

    Bring on the M’s! Anyone else gonna be at Safeco for the series this year?

  155. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Tomorrow will be the first off day following a win for the Tigers this season. Also, nearly a third of their wins have come on Wednesdays.

  156. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    I still can’t stop thinking about Carlos. Hope one of the reporters in the clubhouse asks how he’s feeling!! 🙂

  157. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Sorry, Kathy, but I’m all out of Carlos puns. Someone else will have to step up.

  158. Chris Avatar

    Nice to finally have a win after losing three winnable games in a row.

    We’re getting lucky with the Mariners. We will miss Eric Bedard who was lights-out against Boston tonight.

  159. Slashpyne Avatar
    Slashpyne

    Joey the K (Kalamazoolian?),
    I live in North Idaho and went to Safeco the last two years for the Tigs, but won’t make it this year.

  160. ron Avatar
    ron

    Tigers come thru. No 0fer Motown tonite.

  161. ron Avatar
    ron

    Better than prep H is ice, shrinks em right up in no time.

  162. Chris Avatar

    Seeing the Angels intentionally walk Maggs in order to get to Cabrera was really quite telling. He definitely has not established himself as an offense threat at all in the AL. Having only 30 RBIs while batting 5th at this point is really not very scary for the opposing teams.

    Do not fear Miggy. He’s not as good as he used to be.

  163. Eric Cioe Avatar
    Eric Cioe

    “Do not fear Miggy. He’s not as good as he used to be.”

    Yet. I’ll buy you a ballpark beer if he finishes the year under .300 with fewer than 25 HR.

  164. Mike R Avatar

    Chris: Magglio was BB’d because he’s been on fire (.359/.406/.598 with 10 doubles, 6 Homers April 23rd, coming into tonight). Miguel Cabrera is the lesser of two evils right now, which is not an indictment on what he’s done this year, rather, a praise of how hot Magglio’s been.

    Coming into tonight, Miggy had been hitting .324/.366/.544 since May 17th, coming into tonight.

  165. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    And sitz baths too, ron. Carlos should stay off his feet as much as possibe. Too much pressure, if you know what I mean, even as a “Preparation DH”.

  166. greg Avatar
    greg

    Eric – he’s already on pace for 25 HR’s and 92 RBI’s as it is, and that’s with his supposed ‘pathetic’ play so far. If that’s struggling by Miggy’s standards, I can’t think of a higher compliment to his skills. If this is struggling, then holy *$&# batmat, when he gets hot you’ll see numbers never before produced on the diamond! At least a slight downtick was to be expected with the adjustment to AL pitching, but starting in June, he’ll face NL pitching with interleague play(4 for 11 with an HR and 2 Doubles vs. Arizona), and he’ll start seeing these AL pitchers for the 2nd and 3rd times.

    Any rippping on Miggy’s hitting shouldn’t be taken seriously. How can it be? Obviously its just intended to get a reaction. It’s laying a trap, and I can hear trollish snickering with each response. I’d wager that most, if not ALL, Hall of Famers had a 2 month cross section a lot worse than Miggy’s current stretch.

  167. Kyle J Avatar

    Don’t know if anyone noticed, but Craig Monroe had a pinch hit 3 run homer in the 9th inning which sent the Twins to extra innings, and ultimately the win over the Royals.

    Joe P. has a great description of how Monroe’s homer went down:

    http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/05/28/the-moment-before-the-pain/

  168. cib Avatar
    cib

    Kyle thanks for the link. Joe P’s writing is so good and fun to read. I could almost feel the pain myself!

  169. Kyle J Avatar

    Agreed, cib. I finally got around to buying/reading “The Soul of Baseball” (you can get the hardcover for $6 on amazon.com now). What a treat.

  170. T Smith Avatar
    T Smith

    Not sure if anyone thought about the three hits Galarraga gave up going into the ninth; with a little better defense we’re looking at a possible no hitter at that point. The first couple hits seemed like they may have been in Santiago’s or Inge’s range.

    Renteria’s range to his right is below average at best. Inge stepped it up and made some plays at third, which really only makes Renteria look older and tired playing next to him. Renteria’s range to his left appears better — but not sure if that’s just a subjective observation. The third hit was was one Polly gets nine times out of ten — can’t really fault him on that one. Just thought it was interesting that the defense had shots all three hits.

  171. Chris in Dallas Avatar
    Chris in Dallas

    WTF? Why did the number in that ‘W’ column in the league standings increase for the Tigers? It must be a misprint.

  172. Karl Avatar
    Karl

    any way we can hold a gun to leyland’s head to get cabrera batting third where he belongs? what’s the logic… don’t wanna pressure the guy? he makes $20mil a year and could be the best hitter in the league… i think he can handle the pressure.

  173. Mark in Chicago Avatar
    Mark in Chicago

    I think Leyland wants Cabrera batting 5th in order to protect Magglio. Logically, if we had another high-OBP guy (which would be Sheff, normally. Even injured his OBP was still pretty good) that sets things up for your best all-around hitter and raw power coming up with men on base.

    Since Sheff is out, moving Guillen to the 3-spot is a reasonable move. Cabrera could go there, but I speculate Leyland is afraid he would clog the bases.

  174. Chris in Dallas Avatar
    Chris in Dallas

    Honestly, I think any combination of Senor Hemmorhoid, Ordonez and Fatty in 3-4-5 would work. Right now Guillen at 3 makes sense to me since Cabrera hasn’t exactly set the world on fire yet. I’m confident he will, though. OK maybe not confident. Hopeful is a better word. It could be a long 8 years with him…

  175. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    I want Thames batting 3rd.

    No, really. I’m serious. At least against lefties. Or at least until he fails to have a 2-homer game.

    I like Guillen #3 otherwise. It would be interesting to see Granderson there, but that is clearly not going to happen.

    If they don’t start hitting with any consistency (the good kind), they may as well bat Inge or Pudge 3rd.

  176. Chris in Dallas Avatar
    Chris in Dallas

    Anyone care to look at the team’s record pre and post Neifi Perez? I think that is the pink elephant in the room that we’re all ignoring…

  177. Mark in Chicago Avatar
    Mark in Chicago

    Agree, Sean, Guillen in the third spot makes a ton of sense. He switch hits so he’s tough to go righty-lefty against out of the pen, he gets on base at a good clip, is a smart, though not especially fast baserunner and can drive in runs if there’s guy on in front of him. I’ve always thought he would be good in that role.

    Although I was perfectly fine having Sheff at #3 last year while he was productive. He did a ton of damage in that spot in the first half last year before he got hurt. If he proves he’s healthy, I don’t mind seeing Sheff there.

  178. Mark in Chicago Avatar
    Mark in Chicago

    That is a frightening point, Chris.

  179. greg Avatar
    greg

    I think Chris in Dallas might be on to something. The lineup protection Neifi Perez provided is now missing, and the cascading lineup effects of his absence were too much for this offense to overcome, not to mention the chemistry he provided the entire team, now missing, his departure has lead to stagnant and lifeless clubhouse. This team has lost its way without Neifi providing the glue to hold them together.

    Help us Neifi-won Perezi, you’re our only hope.

  180. Chris in Dallas Avatar
    Chris in Dallas

    Well, since I brought it up, the Tigs are a whopping 60-61 since the last time Neifi suited up. He was one fat little geeked up intangible, I’ll tell you what. Seriously, though, Guillen at #3 makes perfect sense. He’s a really good hitter, and the switch hitting thing does make it a little more difficult matchup-wise late in games for the opponent. Plus his back/neck hair is truly intimidating. Which, in a roundabout way, brings me to another point. This team has too many right handed hitters. Historically, even. When was the last time they had a true masher from the left side?

  181. greg Avatar
    greg

    Last year – Sean Casey

  182. Mark in Chicago Avatar
    Mark in Chicago

    hmmmm, masher from the left side. Does Higginson count? probably not. Mickey Tettleton was a switch hitter.

    Norm Cash? Ty Cobb?

    that’s a good question, Chris, I really don’t know. Maybe they always felt they didn’t need one since the porch in right field at Tiger Stadium was so short. Or maybe it’s just one of those weird things, like goldfish named ‘fluffy’.

  183. Chris in Dallas Avatar
    Chris in Dallas

    Casey, though gregarious, does not qualify as a “masher”. Didn’t Matt Nokes hit lefty? He had that one good year. Higgy had his moments of mash-dom. Of course my all-time Tiger was a lefty, but not exactly a slugger. That being Lou Whitaker. Anyway this is a nice discussion. It’s distracting me from the severe hemmorhoid flare-up that has been the 2008 Tigers.

  184. T Smith Avatar
    T Smith

    Left handed mashers?

    Al Kaline and Norm Cash come to mind….more recently? Hmmm… Kirk Gibson maybe…. but I don’t think Bobby Higginson counts.

  185. Mark in Chicago Avatar
    Mark in Chicago

    Kaline was right-handed at the plate. Gibby had 5 straight years where he hit between 25-29 HR, but the highest he ever finished was 7th in the league. Very iffy to call that a “masher”

    Nokes had one good year with 32 HR, but never came close to approaching that again. This is an interesting question, I don’t think anybody mentioned outside of Norm Cash is really in consideration.

  186. greg Avatar
    greg

    I was kidding, Casey is a good guy, but a masher he is not.

  187. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    Very interesting comments on the lefty masher thing. I have nothing to add it but a question: Are the Tigers unique in this regard, or have other teams also show(ed) the same imbalance, either currently or traditionally?

    The Tigers have had plenty of lefty pitching in recent years. It’s fun (even if pointless) to consider that, had things worked out slightly differently, the Tigers could have an all-southpaw starting rotation. Rogers, Willis, Robertson, Maroth, Miller. At least they could be an answer to a trivia question.

  188. Sean C. in Illinois Avatar
    Sean C. in Illinois

    So you think Neifi Perez is missed? I won’t dispute that, but I’ll tell you one move that has really come back to haunt the Tigers: Letting go of Jose Mesa.

    I just know, deep down inside, Jose would have gotten it done against the Angels. It was such a bitter pill to swallow when they let him go last year.