<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>The Detroit Tiger Weblog &#187; edgar renteria</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/tag/edgar-renteria/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com</link>
	<description>News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:16:10 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator>
		<item>
		<title>Fangraphs now has UZR</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/fangraphs-now-has-uzr/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/fangraphs-now-has-uzr/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Defense]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Statistics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[adam everett]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cesar izturis]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jack wilson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[uzr]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/fangraphs-now-has-uzr/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Fangraphs continues to become the stat site for sabermetric player stats. Today they announce the addition of MGL&#8217;s UZR fielding system which is widely regarded as one of the most sophisticated fielding systems available. UZR has been largely unavailable for the last several seasons because MGL has been consulting for big league teams. He&#8217;s posted [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><span class="drop_cap">F</span>angraphs continues to become the stat site for sabermetric player stats. Today they announce the addition of MGL&#8217;s <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/uzr-on-fangraphs/">UZR fielding system</a> which is widely regarded as one of the most sophisticated fielding systems available.</p>
<p>UZR has been largely unavailable for the last several seasons because MGL has been consulting for big league teams. He&#8217;s posted leaders and trailers the last few years, but now the full data set is available. The only difference is that this set uses Baseball Info Solutions data instead of STATS Inc.</p>
<p>You can find them on the player pages and leader boards on Fangraphs site. But I thought I would drop in a few of interest here. These are runs per 150 games.</p>
<p>Jack Wilson: 06: -2.8, 07: 12.7, 08: 2.2<br />
Adam Everett: 06: 24.9, 07: 24.4, 08: 10.0<br />
Cesar Izturis: 06: -10.8, 07: -2.5, 08: 12.5<br />
Edgar Renteria: 06: 2.1, 07: -2.2, 08: 1.1</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/fangraphs-now-has-uzr/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>4</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Detroit Tigers Weblog Live &#8211; The Pilot</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/detroit-tigers-weblog-live-the-pilot/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/detroit-tigers-weblog-live-the-pilot/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[DTW-TV]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[adam everett]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cesar izturis]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[dave dombrowski]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[gerald laird]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jack wilson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jeremy bonderman]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joe beimel]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[justin verlander]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[nate robertson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ramon santiago]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ustream.tv]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3599</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[This is the DTW&#8217;s first foray into live web video. The show will kick off at 11 a.m. and you can watch it below. If you&#8217;d like to make comments you can head over to the ustream.tv page and join in the chat. I&#8217;ll be talking about the Tigers offseason, and the Jack Wilson rumors. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>This is the DTW&#8217;s first foray into live web video. The show will kick off at 11 a.m. and you can watch it below. If you&#8217;d like to make comments you can head over to the <a href="http://www.ustream.tv/channel/detroit-tigers-weblog-live">ustream.tv page</a> and join in the chat. I&#8217;ll be talking about the Tigers offseason, and the Jack Wilson rumors. Feel free to ask questions and I&#8217;ll try to tackle those as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try and archive this for later viewing after the show, and links I mention I will include in this post as well.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE: The archived version is now up below.</strong><br />
<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" width="350" height="305" id="viddler_1d8e59bc"><param name="movie" value="http://www.viddler.com/player/1d8e59bc/" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed src="http://www.viddler.com/player/1d8e59bc/" width="350" height="305" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowScriptAccess="always" allowFullScreen="true" name="viddler_1d8e59bc" ></embed></object></p>
<h3>Recap</h3>
<p>We touched on the Jack Wilson trade rumors, of which I have mixed emotions depending on who the Tigers give up. I pitched Josh Bard over Gerald Laird again. I expressed frustration over the relievers the Tigers are linked to. Mostly I&#8217;m worried that I don&#8217;t know what direction the Tigers are moving in, is it cost cutting or competing and how much impact will the Big 3 situation effect the payroll.</p>
<p>Thanks to all those who participated and spread the word. Thanks also to my co-host Jade the Beagle.</p>
<h3>Links to stuff mentioned</h3>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://blessyouboys.com">Bless You Boys</a></li>
<li><a href="http://motownsports.com">Motown Sports</a></li>
<li>Those who plugged it on Twitter <a href="http://twitter.com/big_al_twfe">@big_al_twfe</a>, <a href="http://twitter.com/livetweetlinks">@livetweetlinks</a>, <a href="http://twitter.com/coryh64">@coryh64</a> (<a href="http://piraterevolution.com/">check out his Pirates blog</a>), <a href="http://twitter.com/piraterev">@piraterev</a>, <a href="http://twitter.com/blessyouboys">@blessyouboys</a>, and <a href="http://twitter.com/dougwernet">@dougwernet</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/touchingbase/2008/12/hot-stove-interview-tigers-gm.html">Dombrowski with NY Daily News</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/tigers-acquire.html">Jack Wilson rumors</a></li>
<li><a href="http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/beimel_talks_step_up.html">Joe Beimel rumors</a></li>
</ul>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/detroit-tigers-weblog-live-the-pilot/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>17</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Jack Wilson post</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/jack-wilson-post/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/jack-wilson-post/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Trade Rumors]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[adam everett]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jack wilson]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3591</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[No time to post now (day job and all), but there are rumors and denials about a Jack Wilson trade and I know people want to discuss it. Here&#8217;s the link to MLB Trade Rumors which will be on top of this. UPDATED: So there are more rumors and denials. All linked at the MLBTR [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>No time to post now (day job and all), but there are rumors and denials about a Jack Wilson trade and I know people want to discuss it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link to <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/tigers-acquire.html">MLB Trade Rumors</a> which will be on top of this.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATED</strong>: So there are more rumors and denials. All linked at the MLBTR link above. The buzz is so strong that it makes me think that this is close to happening, but the buzz is so all-over-the-place it makes me think it might be a load of crap.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to offer up analysis without knowing any parameters, but I&#8217;ll wing it. </p>
<h3>Money</h3>
<p>When the Tigers declined offering Renteria arbitration because they didn&#8217;t want to be exposed to the possibility of a $9 million commitment, I figured that it had killed Wilson rumors. <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1017&#038;position=SS">Wilson</a> makes $7.5 million which is not significantly less than Renteria, plus there&#8217;s that whole thing about having to trade players.</p>
<p>Now in some of the reports it has the Pirates picking up the bulk of the salary, which is good in the sense that the Tigers are trying to achieve some sort of benefit here. It&#8217;s bad from the sense that Detroit is looking to the Pirates for cash. This really deserves a post of its own.</p>
<h3>Is he an upgrade?</h3>
<p>Wilson isn&#8217;t an upgrade over Renteria. If you see comments 12, 17, and 20 below, both players are about a half win below average. Wilson gets his value on defense while Renteria gets his on offense. Yes Renteria had a down year, but he still maintained a high line drive rate and improved dramatically in the second half.</p>
<p>Wilson is coming off an injury plagued season, but in his time on the diamond he was excellent at short (+16 in Fielding Bible). Of course with smaller samples comes greater opportunity for flukiness as well. Still, Wilson profiles at least as an above average defender. At the same time he&#8217;s another NL&#8217;er and would need that requisite adjusting thing.</p>
<h3>What would the Tigers have to give up?</h3>
<p>Probably too much, or at least it will feel like it. They want a stop gap, and the Pirates want prospects. So the Tigers are giving up something of future value for a one year rental of an average-ish player in a year where there intentions of competing or cutting costs seem to be diametrically opposed.</p>
<p>In terms of names&#8230;I&#8217;m not the guy to ask. I never thought they&#8217;d have to give up Jurrjens and Hernandez for Renteria.</p>
<h3>What else could they do?</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1430&#038;position=SS">Adam Everett&#8217;s</a> name got tossed out in one report today. He really is the ultimate all glove no hit guy. In his defensive prime he was 40 plays above average. But he&#8217;s really been hampered by injuries the last 2 years and you have to wonder if it will hurt his range. But he should be really cheap. Like Santiago cheap.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=656&#038;position=SS">Cesar Izturis</a> is another name I&#8217;d like to see linked to the Tigers. He isn&#8217;t as good as Wilson, in fact he&#8217;s a win worse with the bat and a little better with the glove, but if it&#8217;s cost cutting that&#8217;s in store, why not sacrifice a win to save $6 million or prospects?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not opposed to Wilson, but I just hope that if it happens the Tigers don&#8217;t overpay for what could very likely be an inconsequential player. Stay tuned. I&#8217;ll talk more about this if it happens. Also, I will be <a href="http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/detroit-tigers-weblog-live-the-pilot/">streaming live at 11 a.m. ET tomorrow</a> and will likely be discussing this more then.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/jack-wilson-post/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>56</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>No arbitration for Renteria</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/no-arbitration-for-renteria/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/no-arbitration-for-renteria/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Former Tigers]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Free Agents]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[gorkys hernandez]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jair jurrjens]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3583</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I think it is safe to call the Edgar Renteria-Jair Jurrjens/Gorkys Hernandez deal &#8220;the trade that just keeps taking.&#8221; There was hope that the Tigers could salvage a couple draft picks out of the trade, but that possibility is now gone as the team has declined to offer Renteria arbitration. All players are classified according [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><span class="drop_cap">I</span> think it is safe to call the Edgar Renteria-Jair Jurrjens/Gorkys Hernandez deal &#8220;the trade that just keeps taking.&#8221; There was hope that the Tigers could salvage a couple draft picks out of the trade, but that possibility is now gone as the team has <a href="http://www.freep.com/article/20081201/SPORTS02/81201061/1050/rss15">declined to offer Renteria arbitration</a>.</p>
<p>All players are classified according to Elias as Type A or Type B or other. For pending free agents, teams can offer a player arbitration. If the player declines arbitration and signs elsewhere the team receives compensatory picks if they were Type A (a first or second rounder and a pick between the two rounds) or Type B (a pick between the first and second rounds). Edgar Renteria was a Type A meaning the Tigers would have been in line for 2 picks and giving them likely 3 picks in the top 50-60.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite disappointed that the team decided to walk away and not try and get the draft picks.  The downside is that Renteria accepts arbitration. The likely scenario would then be that he would sign for about $9 million on a one year deal. Which despite last season <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/">wouldn&#8217;t have been the end of the world</a>. Especially considering the Tigers are being linked to Julio Lugo&#8217;s and Alex Cora&#8217;s and other shortstops who are deficient in at least one area.</p>
<p>Yes, a $9 million exposure is probably more than the team wanted. But that risk could have been mitigated by cutting Renteria in the spring and paying him what amounts to a sixth of his salary and walking away. Plus, Renteria has been garnering interest from other teams and would probably choose a 2 year deal over the one year he could get in arbitration (although the new team may find him less attractive if they had to surrender a draft pick).</p>
<p>This seemed to be a low risk move with the worst case scenario being that Renteria was inked to a one year deal. The best case was the Tigers salvage something out of the trade and add some high ceiling talent to the organization. I understand that it may be bad etiquette and it may be viewed unfavorably by other players, to offer a contract with the intent of cutting while driving down the value on the open market. I honestly don&#8217;t know how much weight that should carry. But the Tigers need some wins this offseason. This doesn&#8217;t appear to be one.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/no-arbitration-for-renteria/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>40</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Renteria inked by Giants &#8211; Tigers get draft picks</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/11/renteria-inked-by-giants-tigers-get-draft-picks/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/11/renteria-inked-by-giants-tigers-get-draft-picks/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Free Agents]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[gorkys hernandez]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jair jurrjens]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3543</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[UPDATE: It appears the report may not be true. Tim Dierkes keeps updating the link below with more information, so check back. I have to admit that $18 million for Renteria didn&#8217;t pass the smell test, but it was the Giants&#8230; It appears that Edgar Renteria is heading back to the National League. The Giants [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p class="note"><strong>UPDATE:</strong> It appears the report may not be true. Tim Dierkes keeps updating the link below with more information, so check back. I have to admit that $18 million for Renteria didn&#8217;t pass the smell test, but it was the Giants&#8230;</p>
<p><span class="drop_cap">I</span>t appears that Edgar Renteria is heading back to the National League.  The <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/giants-sign-edg.html">Giants have signed him</a> to a 2 year, $18 million contract that seems pretty pricey given the season he just had. This is good news for the Tigers.</p>
<p>Because Renteria signed with the Giants there is now no ambiguity as to whether or not the Tigers should offer him arbitration and risk him accepting. Assuming that the Tigers do offer arbitration, and there is absolutely no reason why they wouldn&#8217;t, they will get 2 draft picks due to Renteria&#8217;s type A status.</p>
<p>Because the Giants were pretty awful last year, their first round pick is protected.  Instead the Tigers will get their second round pick (4th pick), plus a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds. Maybe they can at least one of those into gold to lessen the sting of losing Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Herandez.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/11/renteria-inked-by-giants-tigers-get-draft-picks/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>22</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Fun with the Bill James leaderboards</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/11/fun-with-the-bill-james-leaderboards/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/11/fun-with-the-bill-james-leaderboards/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2008 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Statistics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curtis granderson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[joel zumaya]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[justin verlander]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[kenny rogers]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[nate robertson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[placido polanco]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3474</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The Bill James Handbook is always one of the first baseball books to come out each year. It&#8217;s not a riveting narrative by any means and it consists largely of tables of numbers. But there are always some interesting pieces and there seems to be something new every year. Last year it was the Young [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><div style="float:right;margin:0 0 5px 5px;"><iframe src="http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=billfer-20&#038;o=1&#038;p=8&#038;l=as1&#038;asins=0879463678&#038;md=10FE9736YVPPT7A0FBG2&#038;fc1=000000&#038;IS2=1&#038;lt1=_blank&#038;m=amazon&#038;lc1=0000FF&#038;bc1=FFFFFF&#038;bg1=FFFFFF&#038;f=ifr" style="width:120px;height:240px;" scrolling="no" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0"></iframe></div>
<p>The Bill James Handbook is always one of the first baseball books to come out each year.  It&#8217;s not a riveting narrative by any means and it consists largely of tables of numbers.  But there are always some interesting pieces and there seems to be something new every year.  Last year it was the Young Talent Inventory.  This year it is a bullpen analysis.  They sit alongside managerial stats, baserunning stats, and the Fielding Bible awards.  But one of my favorite sections is the leaderboard.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to copy a bunch of leaderboards for you here.  That might be kind of tedious and boring for everyone, and it would definitely be a copyright violation.  But I will point out some Tiger related items that are either interesting, or surprising, or noteworthy.</p>
<ul>
<li>Despite coming back from a horrific shoulder injury, and ending the season early, Joel Zumaya still let the AL with 18 pitches thrown over 100MPH.  Brandon League was next closest with 4.  Fernando Rodney even managed 2 over the century mark.</li>
<li>Speaking of fastballs, Justin Verlander&#8217;s 93.6 average was 6th in the AL and Kenny Rogers&#8217; 85.2 MPH heater was slower only than Tim Wakefield&#8217;s.</li>
<li>Armando Galarraga threw a slider 38% of the time which was the highest rate in the AL.</li>
<li>Despite Verlander&#8217;s struggles, his .377 slugging percentage against was good enough for 8th best.</li>
<li>Rogers and Nate Robertson both ranked in the top 5 in GIDP/9.  Just think how bad things would have been if they hadn&#8217;t had so many twin killings.</li>
<li>Edgar Renteria was 4th in SS pivot percentage.  Renteria also had the 2nd highest batting average against left handed pitching with the 7th highest batting average at home.  If only the Tigers faced lefties at home more often&#8230;</li>
<li>Curtis Granderson continued his maturation by taking the 8th highest percentage of pitches and seeing the 5th most pitches per plate appearance.</li>
<li>Placido Polanco struck out less per plate appearance than anyone else in the AL, but it didn&#8217;t help him in run production where he had the 8th lowest RBI percentage (5.96)</li>
</ul>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/11/fun-with-the-bill-james-leaderboards/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>4</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Let the offseason begin</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/10/let-the-offseason-begin/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/10/let-the-offseason-begin/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Free Agents]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Roster Management]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[chad cordero]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[dane sardinha]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[eddie bonine]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[freddy garcia]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[gary glover]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jason varitek]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mike hessman]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/10/let-the-offseason-begin/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[With the World Series officially over after the longest game 5 ever, I half (actually more than half) expected the Tigers to make a trade today.&#160; When I saw a press release come across I thought my intuition was correct.&#160; Instead it was a compilation of roster moves and the hiring of a bullpen coach. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>With the World Series officially over after the longest game 5 ever, I half (actually more than half) expected the Tigers to make a trade today.&nbsp; When I saw a press release come across I thought my intuition was correct.&nbsp; Instead it was a compilation of roster moves and the hiring of a bullpen coach.</p>
<p>The Tigers rehired Jeff Jones to be the bullpen coach after firing him at the end of the season.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t find it that surprising or awkward.&nbsp; Jones had been all but assured a role in the organization and his firing was more related to the dismissal of Chuck Hernandez.&nbsp; I&#8217;d imagine Rick Knapp had the freedom to look elsewhere, but decided to stick with Jones.</p>
<p>The Tigers also announced that Dane Sardinha and Gary Glover had been outrighted and both decided to&nbsp; become free agents.&nbsp; As I imagined when Virgil Vasquez was claimed, he was one of several the team were pruning.&nbsp; <a href="http://tigers-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/10/glover-sardinha-out.html">Eddie speculates</a> on the motivation for the Tigers keeping Eddie Bonine and Mike Hessman on the big league roster.</p>
<p>Another spot on the 40 man roster was freed when the Tigers formally declined Edgar Renteria&#8217;s option.&nbsp; This is hardly news though since Dave Dombrowki indicated as much a month ago.&nbsp; </p>
<p>Declaring free agency <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081030&amp;content_id=3656078&amp;vkey=news_det&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=det&amp;partnerId=rss_det">was Freddy Garcia</a>.&nbsp; Garcia is still in the long toss stage after leaving the last game of the year with tightness in his greater shoulder area.&nbsp; Don&#8217;t read too much into this as it is merely a formality.&nbsp; </p>
<p>In addition to the Tigers getting their house in order, there is speculation about potential targets.&nbsp; Jason Varitek&#8217;s name has gained some steam.&nbsp; Mostly due to a <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/rosenthals-la-4.html">Ken Rosenthal report</a> that Scott Boras is shopping Varitek to Detroit.&nbsp; But I have to agree with the <a href="http://tigers-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/10/just-say-no-to-varitek.html">consensus that</a> <a href="http://trumbullandmichigan.blogspot.com/2008/10/should-tigers-make-play-for-cordero.html">this would</a> <a href="http://www.blessyouboys.com/2008/10/29/649501/should-the-tigers-seek-tek">not be a good</a> <a href="http://mvn.com/roarofthetigers/2008/10/do-trade-rumors-make-you-nervo.html">thing</a>.</p>
<p>Now Chad Cordero on the other hand&#8230;<a href="http://trumbullandmichigan.blogspot.com/2008/10/should-tigers-make-play-for-cordero.html">that&#8217;s worth considering</a> for the right price.&nbsp; And while the Tigers, like many teams, would be hesitant to offer much in the way of guaranteed money they can offer a wide open bullpen situation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/10/let-the-offseason-begin/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>66</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>2008 Offseason Preamble</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/10/2008-offseason-preamble/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/10/2008-offseason-preamble/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2008 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[brandon inge]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[carlos guillen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[dontrelle willis]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[justin verlander]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[kenny rogers]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[miguel cabrera]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[nate robertson]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3428</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[With a disastrous season completed it is time to head into the offseason. Given the gravity of the collapse, you know with the high payroll and the last place-edness, there is probably a tendency to overreact and second-guess. While a deep dive analysis is definitely called for, there is also some inaccuracy being bandied about. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>With a disastrous season completed it is time to head into the offseason.  Given the gravity of the collapse, you know with the high payroll and the last place-edness, there is probably a tendency to overreact and second-guess.  While a deep dive analysis is definitely called for, there is also some inaccuracy being bandied about.  With that in mind, some thoughts as we head into what will likely be a tumultuous winter.</p>
<h3>Dave Dombrowski did not abandon his philosophy</h3>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard this one frequently.  The common thread is that Dombrowski abandoned his pitching first philosophy in favor of &#8220;buiding a slow pitch softball team.&#8221;  Dombrowski has always believed in stock piling young pitching and using it as the building blocks of a team.  Whether that entails using the pitchers on his own team, or trading it to fill needs, he&#8217;s always used young pitching.</p>
<p>The Renteria trade was made in large part for defense, not to build a slow pitch slugging softball team. The benefit of Renteria was that he was to be a 2 way player.  The problem was that while Renteria was a defensive upgrade, it was a small upgrade (Guillen was -12 in 1074 innings at short in &#8217;07, Renteria was -9 in 1173 innings in &#8217;08 according to Fielding Bible +/-) and his offense was beyond absent the first half of the season.  The trade failed, there&#8217;s no question, but it wasn&#8217;t a change of philosophy.</p>
<p>As for Cabrera, defense was never a part of the issue.  It was entirely an offensive move.  But it was also an opportunity that doesn&#8217;t come along that often.  Players like Cabrera don&#8217;t grow on trees and to add an elite player at age 25 is largely unheard of.  It is the kind of big splash move that Dombrowski has been known for throughout his career.</p>
<p>As for the rest of the staff, they were far worse than could have reasonably been expected.  While Willis struggled last year and was trending down, to get nothing from him was unexpected to everyone.  Robertson was never a top of the rotation starter, but was the epitome of a solid back of the rotation guy.  To compete, along with Kenny Rogers, for worst starter in the league wasn&#8217;t part of any reasonable plan.  And then there was Verlander adding a run and a half to his ERA.  That your entire starting rotation would be injured or significantly underperforming wasn&#8217;t part of any plan or strategy and more than could have been mitigated.</p>
<h3>The window isn&#8217;t closed</h3>
<p>I should adjust that and say &#8220;the window isn&#8217;t closed if Ilitch doesn&#8217;t want it to be.&#8221;  The boss could go all Huizenga and say &#8220;cut-cut-cut&#8221; but I don&#8217;t see that happening.  This team was positioned to go for it in both 2008 and 2009.  Because 08 was crap doesn&#8217;t mean you need to abandon 09 as well.   The offense should be good again next year, and  it isn&#8217;t unreasonable to think that the pitching staff will see some return to non-crapitude next year.</p>
<p>In terms of trading, they&#8217;d be selling low on most of the players that fans want to see traded.  They could probably get a nice return for Armando Galarraga, Curtis Granderson, and Miguel Cabrera, but who really wants to see them shopped?</p>
<h3>Don&#8217;t overreact</h3>
<p>Everybody wants speed, defense, and starters, and bullpen arms.  Some better defense would be nice, but don&#8217;t sacrifice offense completely.  The Tigers are ready to make that move at third with the Inge pronouncement.  It means they can&#8217;t afford to do it at both catcher and shortstop. </p>
<p>The bullpen was awful, but <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/10/02/krod.contract/index.html?eref=si_mlb">5 years and $75 million</a> to fix it will be money poorly spent.  As for starters, is it worth a second round draft pick to sign a Derek Lowe type starter?  (it might be if the Tigers can get the draft pick compensation for Renteria)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying do nothing.  Clearly this team has holes at multiple positions and another starter and a 2-3 new bullpen arms are clearly needed. But I still think, and perhaps this is naive, <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7943">but good teams can have bad seasons</a>.  This team wasn&#8217;t as good as we thought going in, and it isn&#8217;t as bad as we think right now.  I&#8217;ll borrow this conclusion from Nate Silver&#8217;s piece in Baseball Prospectus ($) and quote sparingly because it is premium content.<br />
<blockquote>Bad years happen to good clubs. The key for the Tigers will simply be not to panic, nor to try and save face with guys like Renteria and Willis whose projections don&#8217;t really warrant it. The Tigers need to budget somewhere between $15-$20 million for perhaps three pitchers next year, but with the contracts of Renteria, Todd Jones, Kenny Rogers, and Ivan Rodriguez all coming off the books, they can easily afford to do so without increasing payroll.<br />
&#8230;<br />
This has been a frustrating season in Detroit, but hardly a disastrous one in terms of the club&#8217;s long-term fortunes. There have been several pleasant surprises this year in Galarraga, Joyce, and Brandon Inge&#8217;s smooth transition back to the catcher position*. From top to bottom, the Tigers still rank somewhere in the top ten in the major leagues in terms of their overall talent pool, and they should be on track to return to contention with some relatively common-sense fixes.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>*The Inge part was written on August 14th before Inge completely collapsed down the stretch offensively and started allowing a PB per game.</em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/10/2008-offseason-preamble/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>156</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Dombrowski speaks &#8211; a lot more than usual.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/09/dombrowski-speaks-a-lot-more-than-usual/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/09/dombrowski-speaks-a-lot-more-than-usual/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2008 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Free Agents]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Front Office]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cale iorg]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[fernando rodney]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[rick porcello]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/09/dombrowski-speaks-a-lot-more-than-usual/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Dave Dombrowski held court with reporters today and he revealed a glimpse into this winter&#8217;s agenda. The main points: Edgar Renteria&#8217;s option will not be picked up The Tigers are looking outside the organization to fill the closer role The Tigers don&#8217;t expect to be a major player in the free agent market Detroit does [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Dave Dombrowski <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080929&#038;content_id=3572704&amp;vkey=news_det&#038;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=det&amp;partnerId=rss_det">held court with reporters</a> today and he revealed a glimpse into this winter&#8217;s agenda.</p>
<p>The main points:
<ul>
<li>Edgar Renteria&#8217;s option will not be picked up</li>
<li>The Tigers are looking outside the organization to fill the closer role</li>
<li>The Tigers don&#8217;t expect to be a major player in the free agent market</li>
<li>Detroit does not expect to cut payroll significantly</li>
<li>Dombrowski likes Cale Iorg thinking he&#8217;s going to be an All Star very soon.</li>
</ul>
<p>My thoughts:
<ul>
<li>Declining the Renteria option was pretty much a no brainer. The Tigers can try and sign him for less and offer him arbitration.&nbsp; If he declines and is signed somewhere else the Tigers get two draft picks.&nbsp; If he accepts it probably is a decent stopgap.&nbsp; Renteria is a decent bet to bounce back somewhat and not be a void in the lineup.&nbsp; While there is a desire to upgrade the defense at short, with Inge and mystery catcher in the fold the Tigers can&#8217;t afford to go with a total defensive specialist at short.&nbsp; They have that at third already now.&nbsp; Renteria sounds like <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080928&#038;content_id=3565760&amp;vkey=news_det&#038;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=det&amp;partnerId=rss_det">he&#8217;d like to be back</a>.</li>
<li>Dombrowski&#8217;s comments about Iorg were quite enthusiastic.&nbsp; It could be he&#8217;s trying to up the trade value, or diminish the Tigers needs, but the remarks came on the same day that Iorg made the <a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2008/266935.html">BA Top 20 list for the FSL</a>. (Rick Porcello was number 1).&nbsp; It makes one think the Tigers aren&#8217;t looking for a long term fix for 2009.</li>
<li>Rodney got a lukewarm treatment from Dombrowski saying that he&#8217;d be the leading candidate on the current club, but he wanted more consistency.&nbsp; But with the Tigers not making a splash that probably means no K-Rod or Fuentes which is fine.&nbsp; The new closer will likely be an established set-up man who can be had for a cheaper price.&nbsp; It might not satisfy the fan base, but is probably the best and only way to go given the payroll constraints and ridiculous sum that closers get.</li>
</ul>
<p>In the end Dombrowski is<a href="http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080929/SPORTS0104/809290406/1129"> looking for answers</a> like the rest of us&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Most years, when we go into spring training, I have a good feel for where we&#8217;ll finish,&#8221; he said. </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m so far off on this,&#8221; he said, shaking his head, his voice trailing off. </p>
</blockquote>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/09/dombrowski-speaks-a-lot-more-than-usual/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>132</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Random Friday factoids</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/random-friday-factoids/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/random-friday-factoids/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2008 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Players]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Statistics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[carlos guillen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hbp]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/random-friday-factoids/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Some stats and such that may or may not be interesting: Edgar Renteria might not totally suck Edgar Renteria is hitting 288/351/404 since the All Star Break. He is a career 290/347/404 hitter. He also has only 4 strike outs in his last 57 plate appearances (and 4 GIDP &#8211; eek). A return to normalcy [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Some stats and such that may or may not be interesting:</p>
<h3>Edgar Renteria might not totally suck</h3>
<p>Edgar Renteria is hitting <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?share=1&#038;n1=renteed01&amp;year=2008&amp;t=b#1805:1817:sum">288/351/404 since the All Star Break</a>.  He is a career 290/347/404 hitter.  He also has only 4 strike outs in his last 57 plate appearances (and 4 GIDP &#8211; eek). A return to normalcy or a blip in a crappy season?</p>
<p>Defensively he looked the best he has all season in the Indians series and +/- still has him at 0, meaning he is quite average.  In RZR there are 9 qualified shortstops in the AL and <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&#038;linesToDisplay=50&amp;orderBy=zone_rating&#038;direction=DESC&amp;qual_filter=1&#038;season_filter%5B%5D=2008&amp;league_filter%5B%5D=1&#038;pos_filter%5B%5D=6&amp;Submit=Submit">Renteria is tied for 4th</a> meaning he is kind of average.</p>
<h3>Guillen can pick it</h3>
<p>It turns out that Carlos Guillen can play defense.  He isn&#8217;t stellar, but his <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&#038;linesToDisplay=50&amp;orderBy=zone_rating&#038;direction=DESC&amp;qual_filter=1&#038;season_filter%5B%5D=2008&amp;league_filter%5B%5D=1&#038;pos_filter%5B%5D=5&amp;Submit=Submit">.716 RZR</a> is 6th out of 11 qualified shortstops.  He rates as -1 in +/- which is 14th among MLB third baseman.  Not stellar, but not bad for a guy on his 3rd position in the last calendar year.  Considering that AL third sackers are hitting 266/339/428 and Guillen is hitting 286/374/437 that&#8217;s not a bad situation.</p>
<p>On kind of a downer note, Guillen hit 318 &#8211; 320 &#8211; 320 from 2004 to 2006.  He dropped to 296 last year and 286 this year.  And his slugging percentage is the lowest it&#8217;s been since his hamstring plagued 2005 season.  His OBP is still solid, and there is a league widde dip in slugging so his OPS+ is still at 116.  But is this the first step in what may be a rapid decline?  It&#8217;s certainly possible for a player on the wrong side of 30.  </p>
<h3>Plunkocity</h3>
<p>Clay Rapada drilled Grady Sizemore yesterday with the bases loaded driving in a run.  It was the 5th time this season that a Tigers pitcher has plunked in a run.  Also of note, Tigers pitchers have plunked 13 Indians batters this season.  That is more than double the next closest team, the White Sox who have received 6 bruises from Tigers pitchers.  A complete <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/DSxm">plunkocity report</a> is available for your perusal.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/random-friday-factoids/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>15</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Junkballing:  Zach Miner, Tiger Stadium, and injured shortstops</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/junkballing-zach-miner-tiger-stadium-and-injured-shortstops/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/junkballing-zach-miner-tiger-stadium-and-injured-shortstops/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2008 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Injuries]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Pitching]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tiger History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[audy ciriaco]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cale iorg]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[mike hollimon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ramon santiago]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[scott sizemore]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tiger stadium]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/junkballing-zach-miner-tiger-stadium-and-injured-shortstops/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Zach Miner starts again The question of the 5th starter has been answered &#8211; for now. Zach Miner will take the spot formerly occupied by Eddie Bonine and before him Dontrelle Willis. Miner had some struggles with control out of the pen this year. But in two &#8220;stretch-out&#8221; starts for Toledo he has posted a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><h3>Zach Miner starts again</h3>
<p>The question of the 5th starter has been answered &#8211; for now.  <a href="http://beck.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/miner_to_start_on_monday.html">Zach Miner will take the spot</a> formerly occupied by Eddie Bonine and before him Dontrelle Willis. Miner had some struggles with control out of the pen this year.  But in two &#8220;stretch-out&#8221; starts for Toledo he has posted a 12:2 strike out to walk ratio in 8.1 innings.  I&#8217;m in favor of giving Miner a shot, but I think there will be a pretty quick switch if he starts running every count full and walking people.</p>
<h3>Is Tiger Stadium saved?</h3>
<p>There have been <a href="http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&#038;ct=us/6-0&amp;fp=48808a0bb3c0f5ca&#038;ei=6BqASIHeCIfu_AGX-umaDQ&amp;url=http%3A//crainsdetroit.com/article/20080715/REG/864817263/1069&#038;cid=1227915624&amp;sig2=VxgZB_EwntzXa2p6GARpig&amp;usg=AFQjCNHaa59NrRRy7V2dLIPe7T95WhXd9A">deadline extenstions</a>, and votes to keep some parts, and <a href="http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/NEWS01/80715090/1050/SPORTS02">votes to knock the whole thing down</a>.  But now the <a href="http://www.dailyfungo.com/2008/07/17/breaking-mich-senators-secure-4-million-earmark-for-tiger-stadium/">Daily Fungo</a> points to <a href="http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=300579">a news release</a> on Carl Levin&#8217;s web site that there is $4 million earmarked for Corktown preservation and redevelopment.   Presumably this is the money that the <a href="http://savetigerstadium.org">Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy</a> is hoping to obtain to save a portion of the stadium.</p>
<h3>Injured middle infielders littered throughout the system</h3>
<p>When the Tigers traded away their stud centerfield prospects middle infield became the organizational position of strength.  Instead it&#8217;s become the organizational position of DL stays and ibuprofen.  Edgar Renteria is battling a hamstring injury that he <a href="http://beck.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/renteria_1.html">reagravated tonight</a>.</p>
<p>Cale Iorg, the Tigers big time bonus pick from last year just hit the DL for Lakeland.  His keystone partner Scott Sizemore has missed a big chunk of the season with a<a href="http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080717/SPORTS02/80717013/1050"> broken bone in his hand</a>.  Danny Worth, another draft pick from last year who has been a defensive whiz for Erie is now missing time.  And high ceiling shortstop Audy Ciriaco just went on the DL for West Michigan.</p>
<p>And while they are health now, both Ramon Santiago and Mike Hollimon missed time this season due to separated shoulders.  </p>
<p>It must be something they are putting in the water at second base.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/junkballing-zach-miner-tiger-stadium-and-injured-shortstops/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>6</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Is there hope for Renteria?</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/is-there-hope-for-renteria/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/is-there-hope-for-renteria/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2008 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Players]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/is-there-hope-for-renteria/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Edgar Renteria has had a half season that everybody would probably like to forget. The.259 batting average looks great compared to the .301 OBP and .326 slugging percentage. Couple this with the fact that Jair Jurrjens is pitching well and the Tigers are a long shot for the playoffs at this point, and the trade [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Edgar Renteria has had a half season that everybody would probably like to forget.  The.259 batting average looks great compared to the .301 OBP and .326 slugging percentage.  Couple this with the fact that Jair Jurrjens is pitching well and the Tigers are a long shot for the playoffs at this point, and the trade that brought Renteria here looks awful.  Given all that, is there any hope left for Renteria?  There may be.</p>
<p>One thing going for Renteria is that he has a 22.4% line drive rate.  That&#8217;s right in line with his career number of 22.8%.  The Hardball Times has a measure called <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/introducing-props">PrOPS</a> which is a predicted value for OPS based on batted ball characteristics and other offensive measures.  JC Bradbury recently posted the top <a href="http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/07/2008-props-stars-overperformers-and-underperformers/">3 PrOPS leaders</a> for the first half by position.  Renteria actually ranks third among AL shortstops (it&#8217;s a really bad year) with a PrOPS of .751.  Even if he achieved that number it&#8217;s not All Star caliber, but  it would qualify as productive.</p>
<p>The difference between Renteria&#8217;s actual OPS and PrOPS is the 5th greatest negative difference meaning he&#8217;s probably hitting into some bad luck.  </p>
<p>So there is hope that Renteria is better in the second half, but what is a reasonable expectation for his final line even if he gets some breaks and manages to maintain his line drive rate?  THT put together a <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/updated-marcels-utility/">spreadsheet that combines Marcel projections with season to date performance</a> to project a final line.  Luckily for me, someone else has already <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-to-make-of-renteria/">run Renteria&#8217;s numbers</a>.</p>
<p>His projection for the remainder of the season is 282/342/402 which would be a pretty dramatic improvement.  But his horrendous start means that if he achieves that line over the balance of the season, that still leaves him with a .680 OPS when all is said and done.</p>
<p>In addition, despite the career level line drive rate, there are some other <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1178&amp;position=SS">red flags</a> (as if we needed more).  His walk rate of 6.7% is his lowest since the 6.2% he posted in 2004 and significantly below  his 8.2% career rate.  The drop in walks is probably in part due to a tendency to chase more pitches.  He&#8217;s swinging at 27.86% of pitches outside the strike zone.  In past years his number has been closer to 20%.  </p>
<p>Renteria should be better in the second half.  He was pretty awful in the first half.  He chased too many pitches, and it was probably compounded by some bad luck.  It&#8217;s hard to imagine Renteria or the trade looking much worse in the second half.  Of course a nice little surge by Edgar and the team that leaves them in the playoffs and everyone feels a little better.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/is-there-hope-for-renteria/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>65</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Edgar Defense</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/the-edgar-defense/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/the-edgar-defense/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=2879</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[When the 2007 season came to a close the Tigers had a top priority on their to-do list and that was to get a shortstop. Carlos Guillen&#8217;s knees and inconsistency making the routine play had dictated a move across the diamond to first base. So Dave Dombrowski moved swiftly to upgrade the infield defense while [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>When the 2007 season came to a close the Tigers had a top priority on their to-do list and that was to get a shortstop.  Carlos Guillen&#8217;s knees and inconsistency making the routine play had dictated a move across the diamond to first base.  So Dave Dombrowski moved swiftly to upgrade the infield defense while keeping a decent bat in the lineup by acquiring Edgar Renteria.  Yet to listen to Tigers fans this year you&#8217;d think that they had pulled one of those statues down off the left field wall and positioned it between second and third.  The fact of the matter is that Renteria is an average defender.</p>
<p>Renteria has picked up gold gloves in the past, but his last one was in 2003.  On the wrong side of 30 it&#8217;s only natural to expect a shortstop to lose a couple steps and a little pop in the arm.  Now measuring defense can be a tricky proposition.  Mainstream fielding stats like fielding percentage and range factor and zone rating all have significant limitations in that they are either highly subjective, or highly dependent on context (types of pitchers, handedness or pitchers).  Fortunately more advanced stats like ultimate zone rating (UZR), probabilistic model of range (PMR), and John Dewan&#8217;s +/- system improve upon many of the problems of the conventional stats.  The downside is that they aren&#8217;t as readily available in season.  </p>
<p>So we&#8217;ll start by looking at 2007 data to see what we should have expected form Renteria in 2008.  Detroit Tiger Tales did a thorough analysis of defense combining all the defensive metrics he could find.  The various metrics aren&#8217;t always in lockstep agreement, so instead  of relying on one metric Lee looked at all of them and <a href="http://www.detroittigertales.com/2008/01/ranking-shortstops-2007.html">compiled shortstop rankings</a> for the &#8217;07 season.  Lee&#8217;s study showed Renteria to be -3 runs below average, so slightly below average.  Still it was a 14 run improvement over Carlos Guillen which equates to about a win and a half. </p>
<p>David Pinto, the creator of PMR, also produces charts showing how fielders do by the direction the ball is hit.  The <a href="http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/DisplayCharts.py?PlayerID=1178&#038;fpos=6&#038;year=2007">chart for Renteria</a> shows that he is below average in the hole, but above average up the middle.  This is consistent with John Dewan&#8217;s +/- ratings.  In 2005 and 2006 he was -17 and -19 plays on balls to his right and +18 on balls to his left.  If he&#8217;s worried about his arm he is probably positioning himself more up the middle knowing he&#8217;s more likely to be able to convert the balls he gets to into outs.</p>
<p>So now that we have an idea of what we should have expected from Renteria, what&#8217;s he actually doing this year?  Using +/- data available from <a href="http://billjamesonline.net">Bill James Online</a> he is -3 plays on balls to his right and +3 on balls to his right.  He ranks as the 13th best defender using this method.</p>
<p>PMR isn&#8217;t available  until after the season.   There was <a href="http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/how_well_can_we_project_team_defense_and_other_uzr_data/">limited UZR data made available </a>with the top and bottom fielders at each position and Renteria did make either list meaning he&#8217;s somewhere in the middle. </p>
<p>Looking at RZR (revised zone rating) he ranks <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&#038;linesToDisplay=50&#038;orderBy=zone_rating&#038;direction=DESC&#038;qual_filter=1&#038;season_filter[]=2008&#038;league_filter[]=1&#038;team_filter[]=All&#038;pos_filter[]=6&#038;Submit=Submit">7th out of the 12 </a>qualified shortstops in the AL.</p>
<p>Time and time again it looks like Renteria is a middle of the pack defender.  He&#8217;s on the wrong side of the middle, but far from the catastrophe that many have made him out to be.  And he&#8217;s pretty much exactly what he has been for the past few years.  A guy without remarkable range but someone who makes the plays on the balls he gets to.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/the-edgar-defense/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>173</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Game 7:  Tigers at Red Sox</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-7-tigers-at-red-sox/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-7-tigers-at-red-sox/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2008 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Game Post]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[kenny rogers]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=2623</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[PREGAME: We&#8217;ll see if it is the home whites that were the problem for the Tigers as they embark on their first road trip of the season. They&#8217;re taking on the Red Sox who have already played in 3 countries and on 2 continents this season. In addition to a 6 game losing streak the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><b>PREGAME</b>:  We&#8217;ll see if it is the home whites that were the problem for the Tigers as they embark on their first road trip of the season.  They&#8217;re taking on the Red Sox who have already played in 3 countries and on 2 continents this season.</p>
<p>In addition to a 6 game losing streak the Tigers also will be dealing with a ring ceremony and a lot of hoopla.  Edgar Renteria will bat lead off as Jim Leyland returns to the opening day lineup.  Renteria and Boston don&#8217;t really mix so this should be interesting.</p>
<p>On the mound today will be Kenny Rogers and Daisuke Matsuzaka.  Rogers was solid his last time out allowing just 2 runs in 6 innings but was out dueled by Brian Bannister.  Matsuzaka is making his 3rd start of the year and has a 2.31 ERA with 15 K&#8217;s in 11.2 innings.</p>
<p>Game Time 2:05 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/previews/2008/BOS200804080.shtml" >DET @ BOS, Tuesday, April 8, 2008 Game Preview &#8211; Baseball-Reference.com</a></p>
<p><strong>POSTGAME</strong>:  Go ahead.  Panic.  Do whatever you have to do.  I feel sick.  I have nothing encouraging to say.  Just more of the same.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-7-tigers-at-red-sox/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>221</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Tigers Defense &#8211; What are the Odds?</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/the-tigers-defense-what-are-the-odds/</link>
		<comments>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/the-tigers-defense-what-are-the-odds/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[2007 Season]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Defense]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Statistics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[brandon inge]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[carlos guillen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[craig monroe]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[curtis granderson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[edgar renteria]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jacque jones]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[placido polanco]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sean casey]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/the-tigers-defense-what-are-the-odds/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Over the last month or so, David Pinto has released the majority of his studies using his probabilistic model of range (PMR). Today we&#8217;ll delve into the Tigers defense using this advanced metric. I&#8217;ve explained PMR in the past, but a refresher is probably worthwhile. The PMR model uses data play by play data collected [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Over the last month or so, David Pinto has released the majority of his studies using his probabilistic model of range (PMR).  Today we&#8217;ll delve into the Tigers defense using this advanced metric.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve explained PMR in the past, but a refresher is probably worthwhile.  The PMR model uses data play by play data collected by Baseball Info Solutions.  Pinto uses 3 years of this data to find out the probability that a batted ball will be converted into an out.  In doing this he accounts for the handedness of the batter and pitcher, the type of hit (grounder, fly, etc), how hard the ball was hit, and the direction the ball was hit.  The beauty of the system is that it provides context to the data.  Players who have harder to field opportunities get credit it for it.  It also removes the subjectivity of an official scorers decision.  </p>
<p>What the system doesn&#8217;t do is account for throwing ability for outfielders.  So a Jacque Jones upgrade in range would be lessened by a weak throwing arm.</p>
<p>On to the data.  The first table shows how the Tigers fared by position.</p>
<table border=1>
<tr><strong>
<td>Position</td>
<td>In play</td>
<td>Plays</td>
<td>Exp Plays</td>
<td>DER</td>
<td>Exp DER</td>
<td>Rate</td>
<td>Runs</td>
<p></strong></tr>
<tr>
<td>Pitcher</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>167</td>
<td>159.73</td>
<td>0.037</td>
<td>0.036</td>
<td>104.55</td>
<td>5.5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>First Base</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>296</td>
<td>310.16</td>
<td>0.066</td>
<td>0.069</td>
<td>95.44</td>
<td>-10.7</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Second Base</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>505</td>
<td>494.43</td>
<td>0.113</td>
<td>0.11</td>
<td>102.14</td>
<td>8.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Shortstop</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>517</td>
<td>536.95</td>
<td>0.115</td>
<td>0.12</td>
<td>96.28</td>
<td>-15.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Third Base</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>446</td>
<td>426.09</td>
<td>0.099</td>
<td>0.095</td>
<td>104.67</td>
<td>15.9</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Left Field</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>327</td>
<td>331.6</td>
<td>0.073</td>
<td>0.074</td>
<td>98.61</td>
<td>-3.8</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Centerfield</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>468</td>
<td>445.78</td>
<td>0.104</td>
<td>0.099</td>
<td>104.98</td>
<td>23.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Right Field</td>
<td>4486</td>
<td>318</td>
<td>319.88</td>
<td>0.071</td>
<td>0.071</td>
<td>99.41</td>
<td>-1.6</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>The column definitions are as follows:
<ul>
<li>In Play:  the total number of balls in play for the 2007 season against the Tigers</li>
<li>Plays:  the actual number of balls converted to outs by each position</li>
<li>Exp Plays:  the number of balls that would be expected to be converted to outs based on the aforementioned factors</li>
<li>DER:  Defensive efficiency ratio.  Plays divided by In Play</li>
<li>Exp DER:  Calculated based on types of balls put in play.  Used to produce Exp Plays.</li>
<li>Rate:  Plays divided by expected plays</li>
<li>Runs:  The runs saved above or below expected.  Calculated using methodology described <a href="http://anaheimangelsblog.blogspot.com/2005/01/probabilistic-runs-david-pinto-has.html">here</a> and <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.baseball.analysis/browse_thread/thread/6662e89f72d587a5/908d1d9b6b6674c4?q=%22chris+dial%22+dpi&#038;_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3D%22chris+dial%22+dpi+%26&#038;_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&#038;&#038;d#908d1d9b6b6674c4">here</a>.</li>
</ul>
<p>Most of these results shouldn&#8217;t be too surprising.  The Tigers struggled with defense at shortstop, first base, and left field.  All 3 of those positions will have new help coming in 2008.  Meanwhile they excelled in centerfield, third base, and were strong at shortstop.  Tigers pitchers defended their positions well, but I don&#8217;t think anything will put an end to PFP jokes.</p>
<p>Pinto also publishes the results for individual fielders.  I have listed the Tigers primary defenders at each position.  The runs column I based on 4000 balls in play which is roughly 145 games.</p>
<table border=1>
<tr>
<td>Position</td>
<td>In play</td>
<td>Plays</td>
<td>Exp Plays</td>
<td>DER</td>
<td>Exp DER</td>
<td>Rate</td>
<td>Runs/4000</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Sean Casey</td>
<td>3100</td>
<td>198</td>
<td>211.63</td>
<td>0.064</td>
<td>0.068</td>
<td>93.56</td>
<td>-13.3</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Placido Polanco</td>
<td>3724</td>
<td>420</td>
<td>409.07</td>
<td>0.113</td>
<td>0.11</td>
<td>102.67</td>
<td>8.9</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Carlos Guillen</td>
<td>3361</td>
<td>389</td>
<td>408.05</td>
<td>0.116</td>
<td>0.121</td>
<td>95.33</td>
<td>-17.1</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Brandon Inge</td>
<td>4062</td>
<td>400</td>
<td>380.28</td>
<td>0.098</td>
<td>0.094</td>
<td>105.18</td>
<td>15.5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Craig Monroe</td>
<td>2512</td>
<td>166</td>
<td>174.76</td>
<td>0.066</td>
<td>0.07</td>
<td>94.99</td>
<td>-11.6</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Curtis Granderson</td>
<td>3995</td>
<td>424</td>
<td>402.22</td>
<td>0.106</td>
<td>0.101</td>
<td>105.42</td>
<td>22.5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Magglio Ordonez</td>
<td>3835</td>
<td>261</td>
<td>264.54</td>
<td>0.068</td>
<td>0.069</td>
<td>98.66</td>
<td>-3.1</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>And the bench&#8230;</p>
<table border=1>
<tr>
<td>Position</td>
<td>In play</td>
<td>Plays</td>
<td>Exp Plays</td>
<td>DER</td>
<td>Exp DER</td>
<td>Rate</td>
<td>Runs/4000</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>First Base</td>
<td>1386</td>
<td>98</td>
<td>98.53</td>
<td>0.071</td>
<td>0.071</td>
<td>99.46</td>
<td>-1.2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Second Base</td>
<td>762</td>
<td>85</td>
<td>85.36</td>
<td>0.112</td>
<td>0.112</td>
<td>99.58</td>
<td>-1.4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Shortstop</td>
<td>1125</td>
<td>128</td>
<td>128.9</td>
<td>0.114</td>
<td>0.115</td>
<td>99.30</td>
<td>-2.4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Third Base</td>
<td>424</td>
<td>46</td>
<td>45.81</td>
<td>0.108</td>
<td>0.108</td>
<td>100.41</td>
<td>1.4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Left Field</td>
<td>1974</td>
<td>161</td>
<td>156.84</td>
<td>0.082</td>
<td>0.0795</td>
<td>102.65</td>
<td>7.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Centerfield</td>
<td>491</td>
<td>44</td>
<td>43.56</td>
<td>0.090</td>
<td>0.089</td>
<td>101.01</td>
<td>3.7</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Right Field</td>
<td>651</td>
<td>57</td>
<td>55.34</td>
<td>0.088</td>
<td>0.085</td>
<td>103.00</td>
<td>8.7</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>On the whole, the Tigers bench defense was quite solid.  Across the board they were pretty much right in line with their expected level of production.  Of course with bench players you&#8217;d expect them to be strong defensively because often times that is what is keeping them in the league (see Ramon Santiago).</p>
<p>Also notice that the Tigers 3 weakest defensive positions received the most support from the bench.  The first step is recognizing the problem, which clearly the Tigers did last year and were quick to address this year.</p>
<h3>Out of Left field</h3>
<p>Left field is a position that really jumps out.  Craig Monroe was pretty poor and accounted for 58% of the innings logged by Tigers in left field.  Yet the position as a whole was pretty neutral because Marcus Thames (277 inn), Timo Perez (158 inn), Cameron Maybin (80 inn) and Ryan Raburn (58 inn) were above expected.  </p>
<p>Thames and Raburn are good candidates to continue to log innings out there, but the lions share will be held by Jacque Jones.  Jones was primarily a centerfielder last year, but was mostly a right fielder prior to that.  As a right fielder he rated about 7 runs above expected.  So the Tigers should expect to see a positive in net contribution in left field &#8211; possibly to the tune of a full win just defensively.</p>
<h3>6-3</h3>
<p>The other positional shake-up of course is Renteria to short and Guillen to first.  Guillen had limited time at first base with only 545 balls in play while he was manning the position.  However during that time he turned in 4 more plays than expected.  Over a full season that would be 22 plays above expected and over 17 runs.  That is potentially a 30 run swing in defense at first base based on range.  </p>
<p>A couple caveats here.  First, Guillen&#8217;s data is limited so projecting a full season based on it should be done with a grain of salt.  But placing a shortstop&#8217;s range at first, even a declining shortstop, should be a substantial upgrade over a statue-esque Casey.  Second, these measures don&#8217;t account for a first baseman&#8217;s ability to field throws &#8211; something that Casey excelled at.  But without Guillen having to field his own throws, that task should be easier.</p>
<p>As for shortstop, PMR rates Edgar Renteria as a little below expected.  He was -4.13 plays over 3067 balls in play.  On a run basis per 4000 that is -4.1 runs.  </p>
<p>The Tigers stand to see a real upgrade at 2 infield positions as well as in left field.  The total defensive improvements could be in the magnitude for 3 to 5 wins.</p>
<p>I drew on many posts at Baseball Musings, but they can all be found on the <a href="http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/cat_probabilistic_model_of_range.php">PMR category page</a>.  </p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/the-tigers-defense-what-are-the-odds/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>16</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

