Category Archives: Fan Experience

Comments on the experience of being a Tigers fan, including views on Comerica Park and fan relations.

Comments on Comments

Well, since the Tigers are becoming increasingly more difficult to talk about, let’s have a discussion about discussions.

I don’t know how billfer (our founder) ever did this thing on his own. I have definitely gained a real appreciation of what he did. He was a groundbreaker, he did it all on his own, and now he is wandering lonely, bearded and bedraggled and broken, over the old Tiger Stadium grounds, with a cardboard sign—a scathing one, I might add—ripping the Curtis Granderson trade.

Kevin and I are doing are best to keep this thing going, but really the lifeblood of this beast is really the community of readers and commentators that have stuck with it, along with those that are just discovering it. I really do believe there is still room out there for a well-run, well-lit place in between the corporate mega-blogs and the solo monoblogs.

This is in response, of course, to a comment here which ruffled the feathers and muddied the waters and somethinged the somethings. It addressed some things which probably needed to be addressed. I do wish it didn’t have the feel of a one-and-done criticism; I hope he stays around a bit (I know he’s been a reader in the past). I think we need to add some more views to the mix to keep this interesting. If he can bring back Vince from Minnesota, all the better. (Vince? are you out there?).

I think the biggest issue is that in the game day comments, people, to put it bluntly, bitch about stuff. I know I do. I try to be somewhat measured in my posts (Kevin probably does that better), but in my comments…sometimes not so much. But at the same time, when you go to a game, don’t you react and respond in a way that is very different than what you would do the day after? People react; live sports is reactive stuff. I try to take the game comments in that spirit. Just because you yell “you *#+$*!” at someone in your disappointment doesn’t mean you don’t treasure your signed baseball card of him, and play him in your fantasy league.  Personally, when I get frustrated, I just try to say funny stuff. I’m not sure if anyone here was around then, but Rear Admiral Julius von Thursday…yeah, that was me.

Anyway, I’ll throw out a few things off the top of my head here, in no particular order:

1. The Tigers grossly underperformed last season, and it looks like they are going to do it again. I said it looks like—it’s too early to say that. Still, that makes watching games beyond frustrating sometimes.

2. The number of commenters is smaller, so occasionally (and I’ve felt this from the reading side and the commenting side) it seems like you are talking to yourself a bit. And I think that encourages a bit of a different tone in the comments.

3. In the past, the blog has had Game Posts, and Other Posts (which is not an official category). The Game Post comments were full of dumb insulting nicknames, negative comments, the whole bit. But the same people would be more measured when discussing the same issues in a non-Game Post. I will try posting on off days to see how that works, if I can manage it.

4. One good thing about this blog has been a very…collegial? feel. We all respect each other’s opinion here, even if…well, really, what is wrong with them! We can disagree without being personal. And people do feel comfortable sometimes sharing personal things here, and that is something to be respected.

5. Most of us still commenting here have been here a while. But we will end up talking to ourselves if we don’t respect and encourage other people who comment here who aren’t regulars, whether they are new readers or just infrequent commenters. I’ve seen that happen other places. It’s like having a team of old players who…oh wait, I don’t want to think about that.

6. Maybe we need a way to direct comments and suggestions to Kevin and I here? I have been told there are things one might want to tell us, that one doesn’t want to post as a public comment. Makes sense.

7. It’s really easy to throw the manager under the plane (they don’t take busses these days). And it’s very inconsistent too: Joe Maddon lets the players wear whatever they want and does goofy things. Genius! Another manager lets his players wear Zubaz and he’s a damn idiot! It’s an interesting discussion, but I don’t know how to have it. Maybe making bad puns on the managers name is unhelpful, but then again, maybe he is a bad manager who deserves some punning. I just don’t know.

8. There is no number 8.

9. Kevin may have a more concise and better response, which even may be no response. But does he have a 20-game hitting streak in Beat the Streak? No, he does not.

Lastly, when I initially read last night’s comments, for some weird reason, I latched onto the comment about people commenting in all caps, and wrote this long thing which somehow covered Homer and included the word “orthography.” You know Homer never “wrote” the Iliad and Odyssey; he compiled them at most. In all caps. With no spaces or punctuation. Will this post better that comment? The bar is low, as the Dead Sea bartender said.

JV Reminds Detroit Baseball is Fun

The 2015 Detroit Tigers season will go down as a failure. A constant stream of faint hope drowned by a deluge of disappointment. At a point in the season when most of us are watching games with a detached interest, just passing the time until football season starts or classically “waiting ’til next year” Justin Verlander gave us a reason to care again. What might have been the most fun though was that it came out of nowhere.

There’s almost a monotony to a baseball season, and the last 6 weeks or so can be brutal when your team is out of it. There are things that should still spark your interest, like seeing how many home runs JD Martinez will hit, and watching Miguel Cabrera make an unbelievable batting average surge late in the season. We can watch our young players like Matt Boyd adjust and see what late season call-ups will excite. But there is an absence of drama  and it reminds me of the Lions during the Barry Sanders years where often the team was a lost cause but we always wanted to see what Barry would do.

Then things like last night happen. A random Wednesday night with a team mired in yet another losing streak. You’re passively watching a game and things are going well, but you’re expecting the other shoe to drop. Then you kind of think to yourself about the 3rd or 4th inning, that the line score going into commercials has a ‘0’ in that hit column. You get a little more interested in the 5th as nobody reaches base and when you get through the 6th stuff gets real. Even watching at home you can feel the crowd start to react more with each at-bat and Verlander is picking up momentum fanning the last 2 of the inning.

It comes to the 7th, we’re now down to needing single digit outs and with the heart of the order up Verlander strikes out the side. It’s basically JV and James McCann going to work and everyone else holding their breath. We all know that we’re seeing something special, and the bottom half of the inning is something you endure as you wait for Verlander to take the mound again. You find yourself way more invested  on a late August evening than you ever expected to be, hanging on every pitch. Whether you’re in the stadium or at home we’re all feeling uncomfortable with every ball and tensing up with every swing. It’s that wonderful and agonizing feeling that every pitch matters, you’re stomach is twisted in knots and you hate it and love it at the same time.

On this night it wasn’t meant to be. The no-hitter was broken up in the 9th, it was a clean hit, no controversy. It was disappointing for sure, but that’s okay. In his post game interview, Verlander was a  bit emotional as he thanked the fans for supporting him and the fans thanked him for a tremendous outing. It’s been a long time coming for JV and clearly it meant alot to him.

Justin Verlander may or may not “be back” and it’s not worth extrapolating too much out of one game (though the recent trend is exciting). For me it was a reminder though. Tigers fans have been so fortunate over the last decade. We’ve watched the best hitter in the game at his peak. We’ve seen some of the best pitchers ever to wear the Tigers uniform. We’ve seen JV do this multiple times, captivate us with every 97 mph fastball and nasty curve ball. We’ve been treated to more meaningful baseball than most other teams. And on a random night late in a lost season we all had a chance to have fun.

 

Rod Allen is a Top 10 Broadcaster, and Other News (Updated)

Other than the breaking news from yesterday that some people are entrusting their professional livelihood to Gary Sheffield, it’s been spring training as usual for the Tigers.

The pressing lineup questions right now are 2B and a 5th starter.  Not surprisingly, Leyland isn’t saying anything about the latter, and I don’t think anyone had enough brass to ask him about the former in the past few days.  Is the fifth starter even on the roster yet?

For any of you who plan to visit the Tigers in Lakeland, a local site published a nice intro to Tigertown.  Did you know that the Tigers are the team with the longest-standing spring training site?

The title of this ESPN story on AJax is a little ironic.

About that tease…

FanGraphs is running an interesting thread on TV broadcaster ratings.  You can read about the inception here, and then check out #31, #30-#21, and #20- #11 (as they are counting backwards). Mario and Rod have not yet made an appearance, which means that they have made the top 10. There has to be some merit to these ratings, as Hawk Harrelson is so despised that the ChiSox ended up last in the rankings, even with the brilliant Steve Stone in the booth.  This is also where I found this gem.  I can’t wait until FanGraphs does it for radio.

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Here’s the #10 – #1 countdown which places Rod & Mario 8th, and the final standings.  Monday FanGraphs will start balloting for the radio guys.

Apparently, Prince Fielder hit a 611 foot bomb yesterday.  Though I don’t think we should be counting the roll.

Talking Baseball

DTW was approached recently with the perfect Valentine’s Day gift…(for you, not her).

Ed Randall is a long time Yankees (booooooo) sportswriter and reporter.  He writes a popular baseball blog called Talking Baseball.  During his time he’s interviewed a bevy of baseball personalities, including quite a few Tigers (yaaaaaaaaaaay).  Recently, he put his interviews onto DVDs and the guys from Talking Baseball are offering a Tigers DVD which includes lengthy interviews with Sparky Anderson, Travis Fryman, Jack Morris, and Ernie Harwell.  The DVDs are priced at $15, but if you’ll enter in TBCODEDT as your discount code, they are yours for the low price of $9.99.  Not to mention that 10% of the purchase goes to the reimburse billfer for hosting costs fund.  Order here.

Talking Baseball has offered to send us a free set for our perusal, so if someone out there will commit to watching all of them in earnest and writing a review of each interview for the blog, I’ll ask them to send it to you.  First one to post interest in the comments sections wins.  I’ll email you offline.

I’ve seen the Ernie Harwell interview, and it’s worth the price of admission on its own.  At one point in the interview Ernie talks about the importance of dead air.  I love the sounds of the ballpark in the background and no one was better than Ernie at letting those sounds paint the picture for us listeners.  So great to hear his voice.

We’re also going to reach out to Ed before the first Yankees series for some inside info on the competition.  So check out the links and then leave a hint inside your wife’s copy of Good Housekeeping or Popular Mechanics.  Only 11 shopping days left.

Comerica Park Version 2010

Every year brings a few changes to Comerica Park. Sometimes it’s new menu items, or food, signage, or game presentation. This year brings a little of everything.

  • Last year when General Motors was in the throes of bankruptcy they couldn’t sponsor the centerfield fountain so Mike Ilitch used it as a way to support the Big 3. Things are looking up for GM I guess because they are now sponsoring the fountain again.
  • I didn’t partake in the new garlic fries or sliders, but I was thrilled to see that the hot dog vendors aren’t toting the pre-packaged dogs with soggy buns anymore. They had the old Tiger Stadium style containers with buns on one side, dogs on the other, and they put them together complete with mustard. Awesome.
  • The rally towels that were handed out had World Series 2009 stickers on them. Me thinks they were meant to be used last fall.
  • Scott Sizemore’s walk up music was Ted Nugent. Nice choice for the rookie.
  • For the last couple years the Tigers have played Daft Punk’s One More time after wins. They didn’t today. Not sure what it was (I’m not so good at remembering songs/artists).
  • With the crowd of 45K there were certain logistical issues. Restroom lines were 2 innings long. Concession lines were lengthy (except for the poor lonely guy out in the cold and wind selling lemonade). And the season ticket VIP red carpet entrances were used by everyone.

Opening Day Festivities

If you’re lucky enough to be heading down for Detroit’s big party, Opening Day, here is some information on the on field pregame happenings.

The National Anthem will be sung by American Idol finalist Matt Giraud and Ken Casey will sing God Bless America at the seventh inning stretch. We here at DTW are partial to the vocal stylings of Miss Amber Grand, but what are you going to do?

Tim Allen will throw the first pitch(es) to service men and women from each of the branches of the military. There will be a flyover (yes!) of 4 F-15c’s from Tyndall Air Force Base.

The weather looks to be dry, but chilly. A high around 50 is tolerable though for an early April game. If you’re still looking for tickets, they are going for about $100 on StubHub (aff link) as of press time.

I hope you can make it down. You’ll likely find me at Casey’s and/or The Park Bar prior to the game.

Opening Day Still a Hot Ticket

In Detroit we take great pride in the festive atmosphere that surrounds Opening Day. It really is a Detroit holiday and there are often claims that we have the best Opening Day in baseball. The game is always a sellout, and thousands more that don’t have tickets still make the trek. It appears that even with a down economy and a team with questionable prospects that the secondary market is booming for tickets in 2010.

SeatGeek, a site that monitors the secondary market for sports tickets issued a report and the Tigers-Indians game on April 9th is the fourth priciest MLB ticket on the market at $141. It trails only the Yankees opener, a Yankees-Red Sox match-up, and the Minnesota Twins opening of Target field.  But other Tigers tickets are down 15% compared to the second half of 2009. Part of that could be seasonal impact as well.

On Stubhub Opening Day tickets are starting at $99 for standing room and you’ll need to go over $125 to get an actual seat.

Do you have tickets for the opener yet, do you plan on heading down?

The fans, they do care

Drew Sharp was disappointed in the turnout for last night’s game with “only” 30,000 fans in attendance. But it appears that everyone who wasn’t at the game was watching the game on television as last night’s Tigers game was the highest rated one ever on Fox Sports Detroit. Ever. More than the excitement of 2006. More than the expectations of 2008. Ever.

Last night’s broadcast brought in a 13.6 rating topping the 13.5 that last year’s Opening Day received and the 13.4 that the final game in 2006 mustered. Last night’s game peaked at 18.6 for the final half hour.

Now I’m a little disappointed that the park wasn’t full last night, just as I was disappointed when there were only 25,000 for Ernie’s farewell. But I can’t necessarily call the fans out and I certainly can’t say that they don’t care.

The Tigers have never drawn well when the kids go back to school. Often times it is because the team is out of it, but there are just additional pressures on people’s schedules where a last minute decision to go to a game isn’t feasible. I make it down to about 20 games a year and try as I might I can’t make it down for any of these 4 – and it’s not that I don’t want to. And I’m probably not alone.

So people watch on TV. Sharp says it is “embarrassing” that a town that provides itself on sports passion didn’t fill the park. But the passion is still there. The Tigers game last night was the highest rated show in Detroit. That’s not just among cable outlets. No, it was the highest rated show in Detroit, beating out NCIS which drew a 10.6.

Yeah, I wish the park was full but to call it is embarrassing isn’t accurate. There are pressures in people’s lives that kept them from the park. A lack of passion isn’t one of them.

The price of the playoffs

The Detroit Tigers have been lauded in this space, and recently in much more prominent places, about the relationship the organization has with the fans. But something seems to be amiss with regard to playoff ticket pricing. While some of other contenders are offering playoff tickets at only a slight mark-up, and in some cases at a slight discount, the Tigers have joined the Angels as teams who are putting in for premium price hikes (hat tip Baseball Musings).

It’s no secret that the Detroit economy is hurting. The Tigers received some flack for making modest price hikes to select seats going into the 2009 season (a move I defended). Attendance ended up down significantly, but the price hikes likely had little to do with it. The team was coming off record attendance numbers and a last place finish in 2008. The Tigers still will draw 2.5 million thanks in part to a first place team, and a bevy of discounts on mid range tickets (upper deck box and outfield box seats were on sale for weekday games most of the season).

Continue reading The price of the playoffs

Tigers postseason ticket opportunity

Here’s the official scoop on how to get in on some Tigers postseason tickets (should the need arise)

As the pennant race heats up and heads into September, Tigers fans hoping to purchase individual tickets for potential postseason games at Comerica Park can register beginning noon tomorrow at www.tigers.com for a random online opportunity to purchase postseason tickets. The winners will be selected on or around Wednesday, September 16, 2009 for the opportunity to purchase tickets to possible American League Division Series games at Comerica Park. Winners for American League Championship Series and World Series drawings will be selected from the same pool of registrants at later dates and notified via e-mail.

As part of a continuing effort to make tickets available to as many Tigers fans as possible, the online drawing gives fans additional chances to experience October baseball in Detroit. Since there are a limited number of postseason tickets available through this opportunity, applicants must fill out and submit a registration form to participate in this opportunity to purchase.

Those selected in the online drawing will be afforded the opportunity to purchase tickets for 2009 ALDS games played at Comerica Park. Tickets will be available to winners on a first-come, first-served basis, only while tickets remain. Exact date, times, ticket limits and instructions for ticket purchase will be communicated by email to each applicant selected. There is no charge to register for this opportunity and there is no obligation to buy. In order to be eligible for this opportunity, fans must be eighteen (18) years of age or older at the time of entry. Limit one entry per person.

Fans who wish to guarantee the opportunity to purchase tickets for potential 2009 postseason games at Comerica Park can do so by making reservations for 2010 Tigers season tickets. For more information on how to purchase 2010 season tickets and secure the opportunity to purchase 2009 postseason tickets, contact a Tigers ticket sales representative at (313) 471-BALL (2255) or visit tigers.com.

Clearing my mind

Editors Note: Sorry for the lack of a cohesive post here. Things have been busy lately and while some of these topics might warrant a post, I know it won’t happen in a timely manner. Instead you are stuck with this concoction of stuff.

The Tigers really need to make a point of announcing Alan Trammell as the bench coach. He deserves a round of applause from Tigers fans. This is especially true since he unintentionally played into the Tigers marketing campaign when he said he’d “Always be a Tiger“…

Amber Grand sang the National Anthem on Sunday. Always a treat and I would like to see her in the rotation more often…

The nice thing about the Tigers playing from ahead is that they don’t have to make moves yet. They get to take a longer look at Ordonez/Guillen/Figaro/Galarraga to see what they really need. If they were trying to make up ground, they wouldn’t have that luxury…

Did Dontrelle Willis really refuse assignment? With the clarifications that Eddie provided on option refusal, the team has to submit a written request 4 days in advance. Willis bombed on a Sunday and was DL’d on a Thursday. The timeline would be at least circumstantial evidence to support the claim…

I enjoy keeping score at games. When I do road trips to other parks the scoresheet is my main souvenir. With a few ballparks under my belt the scoresheet by the Tigers is the best. When you combine layout, information, and value ($1) I haven’t found a better one. The worst? St. Louis. Expensive, the pencil costs extra, and it is basically a bunch of ads…

Rick Knapp has received lots of praise this year. As far as I know he’s doing a fine job and you can point to Justin Verlander and Edwin Jackson and Fernando Rodney as pitchers who have improved under his watch. You can also point to Armando Galarraga who has performed much worse (and this goes beyond regression to the mean). I just bring this up because the Tigers and Indians are battling it out to see who will walk the most hitters in the AL. In all fairness though, with Willis out of the rotation it should help. Willis has issued 10.5% of the team’s free passes while only pitching 5.5% of the team’s innings.

Brandon Lyon’s walk numbers don’t look too good with 16 in 35 innings. But 6 of those are intentional walks and that leads the AL. Second place on that list is Justin Verlander with 4, 2 of which were to Albert Pujols…

My favorite player for the Lakeland Flying Tigers is Robbie Weinhardt…

I think spending a game as a member of the grounds crew would be really cool. But probably not for one of those games with lots of rain delays…

Lost in the euphoria of last night’s walk-off win the fact that the Cubs had been walking off against the Indians all weekend escaped me…

Tigers ticket thread

Tigers individual tickets go on sale at 10am today. Last year there was a mad dash for tickets. Opening Day wasn’t even an option and the equivalent of 27,000 tickets had been drained from the capacity of every game. This year is a little different.

Season ticket sales are down. Official numbers haven’t been released but the fact that Opening Day is available to the general public for the first time in awhile should be a clue that the total is south of 15,000.

Also in play is premium game pricing. Interleague and AL East power games typically go quickly. Will that be a factor this year?

Let us know what your ticket buying experience is this year. How long did you have to wait. Did you get what you wanted? Or are you taking a wait and see approach with the team and the economy and you’ll go the game day walk up route?