Game 2017.24: White Sox at Tigers

The Tigers are in one of those funks where they seem to find a new way to lose every day. Yesterday was Justin Wilson’s turn. Previously he was close to perfect, you knew he’d give up a couple eventually.

I look forward to getting on one of those rolls where you seem to win in lucky ways every daly instead. We might have to wait until Miggy and JD are back for that though.

I think we all pretty much agreed before the season that the Tigers are a .500-ish team, but with Miggy and JD both out of the lineup even that seems like a reach.

Today’s Let’s Stop The Bleeding Lineup:

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B
  2. Tyler Collins, CF
  3. Nick Castellanos, 3B
  4. Victor Martinez, DH
  5. Justin Upton, LF
  6. Alex Avila, C
  7. Jim Adduci, RF
  8. John Hicks, 1B
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS

Pitching: Jordan Zimmermann vs Miguel Gonzalez

JZ was not very good his last time out.


  1. Tony de Florida

    April 30, 2017 at 1:41 pm

    Best bet for the Tigers today would be a 6 hour monsoon before the bottom of the fifth.

  2. Coleman

    April 30, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Toledo Tigers came through big there.

  3. jud

    April 30, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    7-2 but far from Pen proof yet!!… Keep scoring

  4. Tony de Florida

    April 30, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    Hardy did a nice job. I would have let him pitch to at least one more batter based on Greene’s command so far.

  5. jud

    April 30, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    Hardy has to come out.. He got in his one inning..max with Brad.. In comes Greene the “walk machine”!

  6. Tony de Florida

    April 30, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    At least Greene survived without damage AWillie is still on my A list and Hardy may becoming close to being added. Pitched well 2 days in a row. If Brad brings F-Rod in the 9th for a cheap save, Brad really needs to have someone else ready. The other day the Mets manager pulled his closer in the 9th to pitch to Harper and got a DP to win the game. That’s gutsy!

  7. Tony de Florida

    April 30, 2017 at 4:36 pm

    Great to see Rodriquez have a clean no drama inning. Especially with the Tribe coming Tuesday.

  8. StorminNorman$

    April 30, 2017 at 4:41 pm

    decent, not great start (finally) by Zimmerman (100 pitches); and 4 innings of only 1 hit 1 BB pitching from the (4 pitchers) bullpen…how about that for something different??!!!

  9. StorminNorman$

    April 30, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    i see where JUp is “up” to .290, w/5 HR and 15 RBI…and yes, he’s aware its not August yet.

    other than JUp, the top of the order (Kinsler .207, VMart .212, Cast .245) still underperforming – Cabrera likely due back Tuesday, JDMart within the next 7-10 days…who knows what this team could do if the top of the order starts hitting and Cabrera and JDMart hit what they’re capable of

  10. jud

    April 30, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    No doubt that JUp andd the Mudhens are carrying the offense.. Problem is …..everyone else is off way more than they are on

  11. jud

    April 30, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    Glad to see the JUp we thought we were getting!

  12. Tony de Florida

    April 30, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    Best part of the game for me was when Rod Allen was in the booth which kept Gibby’s babble to a minimum.

    • jud

      April 30, 2017 at 5:00 pm


  13. Smoking Loon

    April 30, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    I was not in agreement before the season started that the Tigers were a .500-ish team. I thought they were much better than that, World Series-bound, in fact. I still do. Such optimism is not supported by the last couple weeks of results, of course, but I’m not backing away from that prediction/hope. The handful of teams better than Detroit on paper are not off to such great starts, either.

    That said, good gosh, statistically the W-L could be much worse. Worst pitching in the AL, bullpen allowing 50% of (many) inherited runners to score, hitting that only looks “average” because the AL as a whole is hitting like April was February (so what does that say about the pitching?). Defensive efficiency next to last in the AL. 8 of 16 in stolen base attempts.

    Here’s something funny: Detroit is the best in the AL batting with two outs (.787 OPS, 55 runs!), and the worst in the AL pitching with two outs (7.02 ERA, 1.70 WHIP). The Tigers are more balanced in the 7th inning and later department, that is, hitting = bad, and pitching = absolute worst. There’s your finding ways to lose thing.

    When April is looked back upon, injuries will be cited as a factor in the slow start. Not true at all. Bench, replacements, bottom part of the order = quite good indeed. Can’t complain too much about the roster. Mahtook, hmmm, not sure if that’s really working out. Sanchez, well, I guess he needs to be there in reserve in case Zimmermann and Norris continue to suck, I mean struggle, although there is no comfort in that besides knowing this will get Anibal out of his usual role of putting the game out of reach in the middle innings.

    Alex Avila is on fire, how about it? McCann is hitting .139 vs. RHP. Straight platoon until Avila gets injured, maybe. Then the secret weapon: Hicks!

    Maybe Ausmus could get back to putting Romine in at 3B for the later innings when close or tied.

    Wonder how long they will stick with Jones in CF if he doesn’t start coming around before, say, June. Romine cannot be the remedy. Collins? Collins/Mahtook? Collins/Juan Perez (currently on 7 day DL at Toledo)?

    Are we in for another closer controversy by and by? Well, recent history indicates that this wouldn’t necessarily keep Detroit out of the playoffs. I’m glad they are keeping Jimenez around, and J. Wilson has been good, so there’s that.

    • StorminNorman$

      April 30, 2017 at 10:44 pm

      hope you’re optimism for the DET ’17 is spot-on… and my view is heartily proven wrong

      this upcoming CLE 4-game (home) series will provide another glimpse of how DET measures up to the most talented roster in the ALC

  14. Smoking Loon

    April 30, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    Taking a peek at Toledo, the Mud Hens are 12-10, so stop the season now. The hitting is beneath contempt and pitching out of this world. But it’s a pitcher’s league in April. Still, going by early raw numbers alone, there are up to 7 pitchers who could be on the radar for calling up. Even if it’s most likely that Anibal Sanchez would be stretched out and then inserted into the rotation should something befall one of the regular Detroit starters, Buck Farmer, Chad Bell, Warwick Saupold, and Drew VerHagen are all off to good starts and could get the immediate call. Arecenio Leon, Daniel Stumpf, and Dustin Molleken might also be part of the bullpen musical chairs before long.

    Things are not going well for Steven Moya. The stats are too sad to reveal.

  15. jud

    April 30, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    The pitching thing is destind to fail simply because of Brads system. He relies on 4-5 guys to get thru 6-9 or 7-9. One or more are bound to be off. If Hardy for example pitches a 10 pitch clean inning out he comes. The next guy on any given night might be off.The more guys u use the more chance 1 or more are off. Me I try get thru with a minimum number of pitchers every single night. Occasionally u need the right match up. But Brad takes that way too far.
    The Sanchez thing baffles me completely. I understand $$$. But what difference does it make whether he is a starter.. A long relief or a back end guy.. If he sucks at all three. Giving up runs is giving up runs period.. That’s my take on the pen.

  16. StorminNorman$

    May 1, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    granted the bullpen REALLY drags the staff down, but its official, DET has the worst pitching stats in MLB… if & when their pitching woes are ‘resolved’, DET will go nowhere (playoff-wise)