Game 2015.114: Tigers at Royals

When the Tigers only got 4 hits on Monday, all you could really do was shrug; it’s not like Johnny Cueto hasn’t done that before, to other teams. A different feel after a 2nd 4-hit night last night, an “oh this again feel. And it didn’t help that the Tigers made more outs on the base paths again.

Remember when the Tigers were leading the league in a lot of offensive categories? Well, they still are. They are #1 in:

  • Runners thrown out at the plate (17). Castellanos leads with 3.
  • Pickoffs (16). Kinsler leads with 5.
  • Caught Stealing (38) Gose leads with 8.
  • GIDP (111) Castellanos leads with 16.

The one bit of life the Tigers have had this series has been Jefrey Marte, who has half of the team’s 8 hits so far. Today will likely be the last day we see him for a while, since there is a tentative plan to activate Miguel Cabrera from the DL for Friday’s game in Houston. Miguel is itching to play. The question is whether he will play first or DH; Ausmus has had discussions about the possibility of playing Victor Martinez at 1st.

Today’s More Play For Marte Lineup:

  1. Anthony Gose, CF
  2. Jose Iglesias, SS
  3. Ian Kinsler, 2B
  4. Victor Martinez, DH
  5. JD Martinez, RF
  6. Tyler Collins, LF
  7. Nick Castellanos, 3B
  8. Jefrey Marte, 1B
  9. James McCann, C

Brad may have figured out that James McCann hits right-handed pitchers still better than does Alex Avila: Avila has only caught 4 of the last 21 games.



  1. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    Hey Brad..1st and 2nd no one out. Good bunter up and your team has trouble scoring runs…how bout a bunt……..oh nevermind!!!!!

    • Kaline fan

      August 12, 2015 at 8:42 pm

      I don’t know —–takes an awful long time for Brad to get this. Maybe 2-3 more yrs?

  2. Kaline fan

    August 12, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    I think Tigers will win tonite. Even after McCann makes lousy choice of a pitch almost in the dirt, to swing full away on for DP (of course), I have good feelings about Norris having a bounceback game.

    • Coleman

      August 12, 2015 at 8:46 pm

      The Van is cruising.

      • Coleman

        August 12, 2015 at 9:04 pm


  3. Coleman

    August 12, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    And…there’s another DP.

  4. Kaline fan

    August 12, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    Boy, that sucks —-ball skipping past 3rd on throw! But this year, we get used to stuff like this. I think someone here was right —- Nick might be scared of runners.

    • Coleman

      August 12, 2015 at 9:07 pm

      Jud noticed he has bad tag technique. I wondered if it was because he shies from incoming runners. Maybe he’s just awkward though.

  5. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    CASTY is trying to make a tag , but he is a full 2 feet BEHIND the bag, instead of in front of it…so he gets a hop he can’t handle…..who coaches these guys??????…then he strolls to the plate and takes 3 for a K…!!!!

    • Kaline fan

      August 12, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      I really, really hope when Miggy gets back and plays 1st, that Marte comes in at 3rd for a spell, and sit Casty.

  6. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    This team is an offensive..defensive…base running…coaching….CLOWN SHOW

  7. Jim EggersUSMC

    August 12, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    In other baseball news, Iwakuma, who has not been at all the pitcher the M’s expected him to be, no hits the O’s, a pretty good hitting ball club. It has been said before, but baseball is a funny f—ing game.

  8. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    How bout a runner stealing third and Casty tags the front of the base….no where near the sliding runner………….wow

  9. PHToy in HK

    August 12, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    Interesting stats Coleman. Just imagine how many more GIDPs they would have without all of the pick-offs and CSs!

    • Coleman

      August 12, 2015 at 9:35 pm

      You’ll notice Castellanos is leading in 2 categories. Your point is good. Brad tries sending runners to stay out of the DP, and they get caught or picked off. What to do?

      • Kaline fan

        August 12, 2015 at 10:04 pm

        Sac bunt, sac bunt, sac bunt with 0 outs. Better success rate than aggressive (often foolish) base stealing attempts.

  10. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    Tigs have scored 2 or less in 47 games, so they have reached their qouta…

  11. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    If the scores hold like they are tonight the Pussycats drop to last place……if Assmus doesn’t get fired there is something seriously wrong!..and it should happen tomorrow morning!

    • Kaline fan

      August 12, 2015 at 10:07 pm

      But will the organization be smart enough to replace him with a real, THINKING, maybe even CREATIVE manager?

      • Coleman

        August 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm

        Word is that Al Avila likes Gardenhire. Hmm, he’s been unemployed for what, 2 years? Hey, Dusty Baker’s available!

  12. Kaline fan

    August 12, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    I hate to say it, but Iglesias looks a little uninspired at short, since the Tigers have dropped out of any serious postseason considerations…

  13. Kaline fan

    August 12, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    As good as a bunt for Iggy —–he got lucky —–but why the hell didn’t he actually BUNT????????
    Real creative managing —– everyone swing for the fences, no matter the situation.
    This time lucky —–Iggy’s grounder died just like a bunt, but next time,——–?

    • Coleman

      August 12, 2015 at 11:15 pm

      Iggy can actually bunt too. And McCann. And Holaday. Oh wait, he’s not on the team, because….Avila. Actually, he can bunt too.

  14. StorminNorman$

    August 12, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    excluding the playoffs, KC are 123-1 since last season when leading at the start of the 8th inning

  15. StorminNorman$

    August 12, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    going into today, DET is 2-48 when trailing after the 7th inning

  16. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    Tigers must have seen that last place… on the scoreboard suddenly they are a little motivated!!!

  17. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    Marte isn’t gonna stay in the bigs long if he keeps striking out with the bases loaded , one out everyday!!!

  18. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    Let the real game……begin!

  19. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    Wheres Hardy..wheres Rondon…wheres Wilson…even AlAl..hey Brad you keep trying this and fail EVERY TIME

  20. StorminNorman$

    August 12, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    the 4-run 8th inning matches DET’s highest total for an a 7th inning or later this year

  21. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    Did Feliz get someone out….?..I couldn’t watch!

    • StorminNorman$

      August 12, 2015 at 11:06 pm

      yes Jud…an 11 pitch AB…out (Cain)

  22. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    Who are these guys??????

  23. StorminNorman$

    August 12, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    Rondon’s 1st 3 pitches fastballs 99-98-99, then a 89 change for the groundout

    don’t walk anybody, make then earn it

  24. StorminNorman$

    August 12, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    TOR won its 10th in a row, passing NYY into 1st place in AL E – i like it

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  26. StorminNorman$

    August 12, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    DET this year is 30-20 against AL Central teams, and 25-39 against everybody else.

    • PHToy in HK

      August 12, 2015 at 11:28 pm

      This is why I still think they have a chance to have a respectable finish.

  27. Coleman

    August 12, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    I’ve been jumping on Ausmus a bunch. So it’s only fair to say: 1) dude did a private session batting practice with Kinsler, and he’s been on fire since. 2) dude said he saw a “different demeanor” in Rondon lately, and has been trusting him in high-leverage situations. Win. 3) dude personally caught bullpen sessions with Verlander, and he’s been better ever since.

    In short, he may not be ready to be a manager yet, but I think we have a A-team hitting coach or pitching coach here,, if we can somehow swing it.

    • Kaline fan

      August 12, 2015 at 11:44 pm

      Good observations, and I agree 100%.
      In over his head as manager, but he could be hitting/pitching coach —–team could save an extra salary.

    • KW

      August 12, 2015 at 11:55 pm

      Good observations, but has there ever been an example of a manager accepting a demotion to pitching or hitting coach? Even if he was willing, I can’t imagine upper management wanting to keep him around. When teams are done with someone, they’re usually done.

      • Coleman

        August 13, 2015 at 10:45 am

        No, have never heard of it happening. The usual way is that he’ll be fired, and end up as a coach somewhere else.

      • StorminNorman$

        August 13, 2015 at 2:32 pm

        it did happen in college football, when DC, Luke Fickell took over as HC for OSU in ’11 after Tressel left through the Tattoo-gate – and then in ’12 when Meyer was hired to replace Fickell, he retained Fickell as DC

        • Coleman

          August 13, 2015 at 6:06 pm

          I forgot about Luke Fickell…we used to call him The Waterboy because of his resemblance to Adam Sandler.

  28. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    How about that “PEN” tonight!…isn’t this the way its supposed to go!!!!!

  29. jud

    August 12, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    Rondon is coming further every time out!!!…he could have blown it tonight and didn’t!

  30. Coleman

    August 12, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    In retrospect…Ausmus never coached ANYTHING at any level. That’s just weird. That’s like…you know what that’s like? That’s like hiring Matt Millen as GM. I’m going to man up and duck the tomatoes hers, but I think Brad Ausmus is a good guy to have, just not in this position, not yet.

    • StorminNorman$

      August 13, 2015 at 8:44 am

      …you know Coleman, now you’ve totally poisoned Ausmus in my mind by suggesting the Matt Millen analogy… because Millen is the living, breathing, sports analogy embodiment of someone that’s in WAY over their head

  31. Coleman

    August 12, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    I blame Gene Lamont.

  32. jud

    August 13, 2015 at 1:46 am

    knowing baseball and leading baseball are obviously two different things. We have no doubt that Brad knows baseball. He is a smart guy, But his decision making lacks experience AND I don’t think Lamont and Jones are any help at all, in my opinion. The other part that hurts him in his decision making, is he makes the same mistakes over and over. I think from the beginning of the year til not at least 40% of the bullpen problem is him…(or Jones) and how he uses them. 60% is how bad they pitch. Hardy is a good example, been solid for the most part but only has 8 holds. Why Brad never gave him a chance til late July. Wilson could have been “discovered” earlier. His insistence on LH vs LH and RH vs RH is an obsession of his and it is his worst fault.
    sometimes its right but not 100% of the time.
    Lastly he says he never talks to a player after they make a mistake because as he says they already feel bad enough…WHAT!!!! Castallanos needs his own personal coach, just for him. He is fundamentally and mentally the worst player in the MLB. Not holding players accountable for bonehead plays have only led to a record number of bonehead plays. Are you telling us that there’s nothing you can do about your teams baserunning. How about the number of times they slide by a base and get tagged out…16 times picked off, 112 DPs, and there is nothing YOU can do. …….By the end of the Year Brad Ausmus will have a losing record as a manager. Sorry Brad thats not good enough!!!

    • StorminNorman$

      August 13, 2015 at 8:34 am

      good points Jud!

      …i agree that Ausmus is a good guy and a smart guy, but ultimately he’s working in a results oriented business, and the fact is he took a playoff team with the 4th largest payroll in MLB and didn’t produce favorable “results”.

      If i were new GM Avila, i’d be actively looking for a new Mgr and new coaching staff – and then make that move the day after the regular season ends (unless of course ‘your guy’ is coaching in the playoffs).

  33. Coleman

    August 13, 2015 at 10:51 am

    I remember when they first hired Ausmus, Dombrowski etc made a big deal about how he was a “new” type of manager. Then he was “given” Lamont and Jones and Leyland looking over his shoulder. If Brad were really smart he would have said I’ll take the job, but I need to pick my own staff.

    • StorminNorman$

      August 13, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      i agree 100% Coleman – regarding Ausmus/DET retaining some of the old guard (Lamont, Jones & Leyland in an administrative position)… I firmly believe that in the previous 4 years, had DET’s bullpen been better managed (JL ’10-’13 and ’14 BA) and maintained (DD), DET could have won at least one WS.

      Ausmus has essentially managed like JL, unfortunately including JL’s shortcomings (i.e. bullpen mngmt, veteran player loyalty to a fault and lacking in advanced scouting of opposing teams/players). So in the end it appears the primary thing that was “new” about Ausmus’ was not his approach, but rather his newness to the job and coaching.

      • Kaline fan

        August 13, 2015 at 3:20 pm

        Stormin’: I firmly, FIRMLY believe that, just the way you stated it, Det could have won a WS. But there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind WHICH WS it could (would) have been = 2013 was Detroit’s year —-they were going there, and to win it!—– seriously —— UNTIL ——-
        Well, you’re waiting for me to say “until Big Papi hit that GS in Gm 2 of ALCS”.
        But no, trouble began at beginning of 8th inning of that game, when Leyland over-managed with his bullpen (mis)decisions.
        Anyway, I don’t feel like re-hashing the whole thing, but the bases didn’t have to be loaded when Ortiz stepped to the plate for his momentum-changing swing. And Tigers’ WS dreams were finished, even tho at that time, game was only tied at 5-5, series was still tied 1-1, and Det had stolen HF advantage.
        Sorry, Tigers, but that WS window was open in 2013, but it’s slammed shut for a while now…..

  34. KW

    August 13, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    Pretty great news from Al Avila in a Detroit News article:

    “One thing I will bring different is expanded analytics,” Avila said. “I will tell you that I feel that we have a ways to go to catch up with the industry. We have been making some strides, but we’ll fast-forward a little bit and add to that department.”

    It was telling, then, one of Avila’s first moves as general manager was to promote 20-something Sam Menzin from analytics coordinator to director of baseball operations. Menzin also soon will be given the green light to hire two analytics experts.

    “We will expand little by little,” Avila said. “There are certain areas that we’ve been missing out on. Sam is preparing those conversations. Preparing for next year, in the offseason, the pursuit of free agents, possible trades.”

    All I can say is: FINALLY!!!

    • StorminNorman$

      August 13, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      i also read that article KW, and agree with your “finally” assessment… now, let’s hope we see the follow-through

  35. jud

    August 13, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    Two things will determine Al Av credibility and two things only……what he does with Ausmus and what he does with Alex!!!!

  36. Kaline fan

    August 13, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    Anyway, it was fun watching Lions beat Jets in preseason tonite.

    • jud

      August 14, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      My 7 year old grandson won 4 tickets to Jets- Lions…went on field, met Stafford and Megatron…got to do some plays….had a dinner. Pictures with players and mascot. I am telling you at 7 and aleady a die- hard Lion fan it doesn’t get better than that. I wish now I would have flown in just to watch him!!!!!