Game 2012.44: Tigers at Indians

20-23, 2nd place, 5 games behind Cle.

The Jim Leyland mediocrity meter is at defcon 6, as his career record is now 1,608-1,607. He’s .519 and .454 as Tigers Manager, good for a .533 winning pct. .533 for 2012 would get the Tigers to 86 wins, which may just win the Central. Did you know that JL is the 3rd winningest Tigers manager behind Sparky and Hughie Jennings? JL has a higher Tigers winning PCT than did Sparky. Just some fun facts.

JV on the hill today. You know the drill.

Today’s We Need a Win Berry Badly Lineup Is.

1. Berry, CF
2. Dirks, LF
3. Cabrera, 3B
4. Fielder, 1B
5. Young, DH
6. Boesch, RF
7. Avila, C
8. Peralta, SS
9. Worth, 2B



  1. Coleman

    May 24, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    So much for the no-hitter watch…now we just get the can-the-Tigers-come-from-behind watch, which has been a somewhat unwatchable show of late.

  2. Kevin in Dallas

    May 24, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Little late with the post today, so here are a few other things I wanted to get in there.

    Masterson is very hittable. 1.53 WHIP this year, 1.38 for his career. Allowed 10 ER in 22 IPs covering 4 starts against the Tigers last year.

    • Tigers Rule

      May 24, 2012 at 12:34 pm

      We make every pitcher into Cy!

    • Coleman

      May 24, 2012 at 12:37 pm

      “Hittable” is relative. Right now we can’t even get to Grilli.

  3. Coleman

    May 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Add to our other woes we are the worst baserunning team in baseball.

    • Coleman

      May 24, 2012 at 12:33 pm

      Boesch should have been out running to 3rd on the ground ball to short. He got lucky the first time, but not the second. Replace Gene Lamont with a scarecrow and we will come out ahead.

  4. Kevin in Dallas

    May 24, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    The value of good defense is really being highlighted this series. I wonder it it prompts any changes, especially if we get swept.

    • Coleman

      May 24, 2012 at 12:35 pm

      Hey, don’t worry, Uncle Smokey says “we are a good team.” Plus, we get Raburn back Friday!

    • Vince in MN

      May 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm

      Kevin, what do you suggest?

  5. Tigers Rule

    May 24, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Base running error by Boesch ….. bad teams find ways to lose games ……

  6. jud

    May 24, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    that was no baserunning was aplay to go on first contact called by the Tigers great leader of men…Peralta could have knocked in that runby hitting it up the middle..but Leyland doesn’t believe in that. Just like he doesn’t believe in hitting behind the runner on second to move himto third. Avila was lucky to move Boesch…

  7. Coleman

    May 24, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    OK, we get to try again, leadoff double…let’s see if we do better this time.

    • Coleman

      May 24, 2012 at 12:43 pm

      Dirks hits behind, runner, moves him to 3rd, check. Gold star for Dirks. Cabrera’s turn.

      • Coleman

        May 24, 2012 at 12:49 pm

        And Cabrera brings home runner from 3rd with less than 2 out, gold star for Miguel. If we can keep doing it like that we will get out of this funk.

  8. Jud

    May 24, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    why does Berry run so fast…thats so un-Tiger-like

  9. bada bing

    May 24, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Obvious balk is obvious…

  10. Coleman

    May 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    When things are going badly for a team, it always seems that the umpires join in on the fun.

  11. Coleman

    May 24, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Peralta is certainly not making anyone in Cleveland miss him.

  12. bada bing

    May 24, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Sac bunt the guy who has been hitting better than anyone else in the lineup this year? Genius.

  13. Jud

    May 24, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    hey Quinten Berry thanks forcoming up and lokking like a real major league player…..unfortunately we have Ryan Rugburn coming back so we don’t need you any more

  14. Brenden

    May 24, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    So many wasted opportunities…the signing of Prince Fielder is proving everyday to be a case of misplaced priorities and wasted resources…

  15. Brenden

    May 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Verlander is going to get screwed in this game…

  16. Jud

    May 24, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    hey Prince….go back to the National league

  17. Chris in Texas

    May 24, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Can’t execute a sac bunt and the big bats fail again…They have been the sole reason, that we are about to get swept. Fundamentals and the failure of Cabby and Fielder are the story of this season…They have been up, time after time w/ men on base this season..Yet, we still can’t score more then 3 runs a game…as for the lack of fundamentals, when does Leyland and his staff, get some heat for that…If it was the NFL, the coaches would be blamed for that..He can’t hit a ball, but, when, across the board your team can not execute sac bunts, hitting behind a runner, and basic baserunning…at some point it is an institutional problem and because your payroll and talent has allowed you to overcome it 2 times in their tenure..does not make it insignificant and Jim…by any standard, your team is not a good team. You have some good pitchers…but, there is more to a team then that. Talk is cheap.

  18. Jack

    May 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    This is rediculous. When is Jim Leyland going to start banging some heads together? The needs to start with Prince Fielder. When is this guy going to prove his worth?

  19. Jud

    May 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    good post Chris….its not just bad luck that Smokey has lost 1608 games..its basically the idea that fundementals are not that important to him…he is very consistent at this….thus 1608 losses

  20. bada bing

    May 24, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    I realize that the Tigers are probably going to lose this game, but what Verlander just did in the 8th was incredible. Unbelievable pitching.

  21. Jud

    May 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    JV you deserve better than a loss in this game….3-38 hitting in the series RISP

    • bada bing

      May 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      3-28, not 38

  22. Brenden

    May 24, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Swept by Cleveland…The rate of speed to the bottom is increasing by the day…

  23. stephen

    May 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Outside of Verlander, Tigers have been one of the three worst teams in baseball for a month.

  24. Jud

    May 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Fire Leyland…he couldn’t motivate the moon to come out at night…..this team sucks..

    • Jack

      May 24, 2012 at 2:49 pm

      I agree. But he is a really nice guy lol

    • Damus Fucious

      May 25, 2012 at 11:03 am


      If things continue, Leyland’s gone at the end of the season.
      But not b/4 then. Her’s been managing too long – has multiple post-seasons in his resume, plus he’s respected by MLB honchos.

      Jim may quit before September-end, but he won’t get fired.

      • Vince in MN

        May 25, 2012 at 11:59 am

        Yep. Dombrowski loves JL and Illitch loves DD. End of story.

  25. Fred

    May 24, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Verlander was trying to send a message with his last inning…. I wish we was on the tribe… Good tight game. We’ll see if we (cle) can keep up this little ball.

  26. Jud

    May 24, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Berry did more in three days than Rugburn has done all year…hey Quinten you need a ride tonight to Toledo..I am going that way

    • Andrew in Toronto

      May 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm

      I suspect, and hope, he’ll be staying with the team at least until Austin Jackson is back. Worth can go back down when Raburn returns.

      • Andrew in Toronto

        May 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm

        A Jax is now on the DL. Raburn returns tomorrow.

        Also Marte has been called up and Putkonen sent down.

  27. Kevin in Dallas

    May 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    In response to Vince in MN:

    We have to bring up Henry from Toledo to play 2nd. Also, Delmon is a black hole in the lineup and in LF. He shouldn’t be playing much anymore. Dirks has been moving around a bit, let’s stick with him there. Once AJax comes back, I’d like to see Berry up for a while (assuming Kelly has options) and let him platoon with Boesch in right. Neither has an arm, but at least Berry isn’t pulling a trailer every time he runs.

    We’re stuck at SS and 1B. I’m leaving 3B out of there b/c Cabrera has been fine. Avila will get better.

    • Vince in MN

      May 25, 2012 at 11:57 am

      But Kevin, in bringing up Henry, what do you do with Raburn and/or Santiago? I’m pretty sure they are both out of options, so one would have to be DFA, taking a chance on losing them for nothing. And if Henry doesn’t work out, then what? Delmon is a black hole (and he doesn’t belong in the 5 slot), but what do you do with him, DFA him too? There are only 3 extra position player spots to play with besides Laird, who obviously stays. Unless you can somehow get these black hole guys on the DL, bringing up unproven minor leaguers is a very risky proposition. Eldred is a great example (and one that may be making brass gun shy) – he was (and is still I think) tearing up the IL, but when he was up with the Tigers was a dud, although I don’t think Leyland gave him much of a chance in his short outing. A big part of the problem is that although a large portion of the regular lineup sucks, so does the bench. The offensive personnel just isn’t very well put together – once again we are clogged up with a team that consists of about 5 DH/1B types and they can’t all play those two slots at the same time. They seem willing to cut ties with relief pitchers who don’t perform, but there are a huge number of potential replacements to fill those specialized roles. Not so easy with the position players.

  28. Coleman

    May 25, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I think the plan is to make Delmon a full-time hole at DH for now, and just deal with it until (if) Martinez returns. I don’t like the plan, but if Martinez’ return does seem likely, I can’t see them pursuing a DH type, and they can’t trade Delmon. Hopefully Boesch/Avila/Peralta start hitting and they can at least get him out of the 5th spot.

    • Andrew in Toronto

      May 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm

      In the past 2 weeks, Delmon’s OPS is 0.759, which is in line with his career totals and last year’s performance on the Tigers. That’s not great, but I guess we shouldn’t have expected much better. About an average hitter.

      The big problem is that he blew his trade value, so that’s a loss.

      • Vince in MN

        May 25, 2012 at 6:18 pm

        Actually his trade value was highest last Fall after the playoffs. Maybe management could have snookered some other team into taking him after his “breakout” half-season. Unfortunately, I think maybe the Tigers snookered themselves with that idea and now we are stuck with him.

    • Andrew in Toronto

      May 25, 2012 at 12:43 pm

      The other thing I find interesting about the Delmon situation is the way Leyland has been using him.

      Ever since the suspension he has been DHing, which is good. But he wasn’t DHing before.

      Was it because Dirks played well in the field while Young was suspended, and changed people’s minds? That would be a good justification, but it is hard for me to believe that Leyland didn’t already know that Dirks was a better fielder.

      So, the only conclusion is that Leyland wasn’t DHing Delmon because he wouldn’t like it, but after the suspension they figured they could make him do what they want. It is a shame that they have to be so sensitive about their employees’ egos.

      • bada bing

        May 25, 2012 at 2:49 pm

        To your latter point: sad, but true.

  29. Kevin in Dallas

    May 26, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    I hate to see readers go for any reason.

    So how about this DF –

    We’ll spell Raburn’s name correctly for a week, if you’ll make rational baseball points during the same term.

  30. Kevin in Dallas

    May 26, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Pretend this was posted in the right spot.