Game 2010.012: Tigers at Mariners

PREGAME: The Tigers turn to Max Scherzer to stop their three game slide. Scherzer, like the rest of the rotation has a good start and a shaky start under his belt this year.

Ian  Snell takes the bump for the Mariners who would like to sweep the Tigers.

Your Laird-less lineup is:

  1. Jackson, CF
  2. Damon, LF
  3. Ordonez, RF
  4. Cabrera, 1B
  5. Guillen, DH
  6. Inge, 3B
  7. Avila, C
  8. Sizemore, 2B
  9. Santiago, SS

103 Comments

  1. RoseTattoo

    April 18, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Nice graphic Bill!
    Let’s go Tigers!

  2. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    let’s jump on Snell early and make it easy for Scherzer today!

  3. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    oh man. first and third with no outs and the 3-4-5 hitters coming up and we get no runs. that is so frustrating.

  4. Tigers Fan in Toronto

    April 18, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Pathetic….what else can you say!
    These guys should be giving part of their salaries back to the fans.
    I will predict right now that the Tigers DON’T make the playoffs this year!

    • Coleman

      April 18, 2010 at 4:29 pm

      Well, that’s not really going out on a limb, since most people predicted the Tigers wouldn’t make the playoffs this season. It’s a bit early to be throwing in the towel though. Although if anybody is handing out money to fans I won’t say no…

  5. Coleman

    April 18, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    A-Money!

  6. RoseTattoo

    April 18, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Crazy strike zone today.

  7. Steve

    April 18, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    We have a shot at the playoffs if we can somehow win our division.

    I like watching the Tigers play and going to a few games per year. Its a long long year of baseball, those of you around for the 2003 season and 2006 season saw both ends. In order to enjoy the season the most you have to see how each game as it plays out. We knew going into this year it would be a bit of a stretch for us to do anything while we get some experience for the new(er) guys. I like the core of our team for now while we add pieces along the way. We could be worse off………… Royals, Indians, Baltimore, Houston to name a few. We have an owner who is putting some heavy cash in, most dont.

    Lets Go Tigers

    Steve

  8. Steve

    April 18, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    BTW, Love the tag at home, I was really glad Alex’s leg did not twist around, that did not look text book, but “yer out”

  9. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    nice job avila to hang on.

  10. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    i’d like to see our running game get going a bit. feels like they’ve had some opportunities the last few games to go for a steal of hit and run and it doesn’t happen.

    • Vince in MN

      April 18, 2010 at 4:58 pm

      Got it. Note to Leyland: send Cabrera.

      • Mark in Chicago

        April 18, 2010 at 5:06 pm

        lol, try again, Vince

  11. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    wow. cabrera was way out in front of that pitch and just flicked it into the upper deck. that is unbeleivable.

    • Coleman

      April 18, 2010 at 4:55 pm

      The was everyone reacted my initial reaction was oh too bad, foul–no, everyone just stood there because it was so ridiculously gone, not because it was foul…

  12. Coleman

    April 18, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Um, I guess that makes up for whiffing with the runner on 3rd the 1st time…that was a monster shot by the Hammer

  13. Steve

    April 18, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Mark, That was really mashed. I would have loved to see that live. WOW

  14. Tigers Fan in Toronto

    April 18, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    ALRIGHT Miggy!!!!!!!!!
    Some of the other guys are going to have to pick it up soon…..they can’t depend on Miggy & Mags all the time.
    Boy it feels good and gets rid of the frustrations when Miggy hits one like that!!!!

    • Vince in MN

      April 18, 2010 at 5:02 pm

      Note to Miggy: cancel payment on that check.

  15. Tigers Fan in Toronto

    April 18, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    It’s great to see the team ahead in the early innings …..for a change.
    Maybe this will loosen them up and they can have a big day at the plate>

  16. ouchudied

    April 18, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I don’t respect Ian Snell as a pitcher, and I’m not really sure why. For some reason, when I think of Snell I consider him as the worst regular starting pitcher. I know he is not a good pitcher but he certainly isn’t the worst. Well, anyway, I have a hatred for Ian Snell for no good reason. So the Tigers better score at least five off him.

  17. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Shouldn’t you be bunting to the left side there, to bring the 3rdbaseman in?

    • Tigers Fan in Toronto

      April 18, 2010 at 5:15 pm

      CORRECT…..especially with men on 1st & 2nd & none out.

  18. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    terrible bunt by santiago. to first base? really? better sac bunt there gets us a run with jackson’s fly ball.

    have to execute better than that, especially with this offense.

  19. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Snell walks the first two guys and 8 pitches later the inning is over.

  20. Steve

    April 18, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    It would be nice if we were more opportunistic with our chances.

    I have the Seattle feed. They showed the play at the plate again, Avilia is fortunate he did not wreck his knee. Great play to brace and hang on for the hit.

    What do you guys think of Max Scherzer. He seems pretty decent. Seattle is not great but he seems to deal out some decent stuff.

    Steve

    • Vince in MN

      April 18, 2010 at 5:28 pm

      He seems to be reasonably efficient today. I’d like to see his strikeouts go up a bit though, I get the feeling he lacks a punchout pitch. He needs to regularly get in 6 iinings before I will be totally convinced. He’s young though.

    • Tigers Fan in Toronto

      April 18, 2010 at 5:46 pm

      So far so good ….but it’s still way too early to make a determination.

  21. Coleman

    April 18, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Looks like Seattle has Rabyrnes out there in LF

    • Kevin in Dallas

      April 18, 2010 at 5:52 pm

      Genius.

  22. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    great job so far by scherzer, let’s get him some more runs…

  23. Tigers Fan in Toronto

    April 18, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    There are too many ducks being left on the pond!

  24. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    man, we cannot get a break. that’s like the 4th or 5th time in this series we made a good pitch, jammed somebody, and they dump a single into the outfield.

    • Mark in Chicago

      April 18, 2010 at 5:50 pm

      i stand corrected, there’s a nice break for us!!

  25. Carolyn

    April 18, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    Why are the broadcasters and MLB.com saying that was Cabrera’s 200th homer? He has 212. They’re leaving out his rookie year.

  26. ouchudied

    April 18, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    I played whiffle ball yesterday and my team scored 18 runs in a 5 inning game. The Tigers have 3 through 6 innings. Not impressed.

  27. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    R3L2O – yup.

  28. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Leyland says the starters have to go deeper into games. So after 87 pitches he takes Scherzer out?

  29. billfer

    April 18, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Leyland is over managing this game. Scherzer should be out there still. The sac bunt was ill advised also.

    • Vince in MN

      April 18, 2010 at 6:16 pm

      In other words he is really in his element now!

  30. Steve

    April 18, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    I like Coke with his new haircut and will really love him if he punches out the side.

    • Steve

      April 18, 2010 at 6:14 pm

      Check that, hes out……….. lets see who gets the ball here

  31. Tigers Fan in Toronto

    April 18, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Let’s ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

  32. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Thank you Mr. Moore.

  33. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    R3L2O – sigh.

    • Jerry The Tiger Fan

      April 18, 2010 at 7:51 pm

      Can you explain what the acronym of R3L2O means? Thank you in advance.

      • Rick G

        April 18, 2010 at 7:57 pm

        Runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs

  34. Tigers Fan in Toronto

    April 18, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Finally Tigers can score with men on 2nd & 3rd and nobody out!

  35. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Jackson comes through for an insurance run, but geez – 2-16 RISP and 11 LOB today so far.

  36. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    it is so difficult for this team to push across a run. gotta give them credit, they’re doing a great job working the count, taking walks, etc., but getting a hit with runners on looks like the hardest thing they’ve ever tried to do.

    hitting with RISP will even out eventually, but boy it’s painful to watch right now.

  37. Jerry The Tiger Fan

    April 18, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Magglio looking pretty bad today. 0-5 with plenty of RBI chances gone a glimmering. With our black hole at the bottom of the order we can’t afford Magglio to start turning into 2009 Magglio.

    • Kevin in Dallas

      April 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm

      Let’s wait more than one game before we start throwing stones.

      • Kevin in Dallas

        April 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm

        And actually, I’d be thrilled to have Aug & Sept 2009 Magglio.

      • Jerry The Tiger Fan

        April 18, 2010 at 7:53 pm

        One game? He went 1-for Seattle in this series. Granted his one was a solo HR, but the rest of his at-bats looked eerily like Apr-July 2009 Maggs, as in lots of weakly hit balls.

        • Mark in Chicago

          April 18, 2010 at 9:43 pm

          yep, he had a rough series against a pretty good pitching staff. it happens. over the course of a season he’ll make an out in about 65% of his plate appearances.

          maggs is fine, he’s off to a good start and stinging the ball pretty good. you can’t expect him to get 3 hits every game.

  38. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    goodness. come on perry, need some strikes buddy.

  39. Kevin in Dallas

    April 18, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    I wonder if Perry and Inge are working on a boy band on the side.

    • Coleman

      April 18, 2010 at 6:53 pm

      It’s called Pingey

  40. Kevin in Dallas

    April 18, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    A K makes all the difference.

  41. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Whew!

  42. Tigers Fan in Toronto

    April 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Dosn’t Carlos know how to bunt!!!!!!!!

    • Mark in Chicago

      April 18, 2010 at 7:01 pm

      Carlos should not be bunting, he’s your #5 hitter and he should be driving in runs.

      • Tigers Fan in Toronto

        April 18, 2010 at 7:04 pm

        This was a situation to play small ball!

        • billfer

          April 18, 2010 at 7:09 pm

          So, if Guillen had bunted it would have been a runner on third with 1 out, kind of the exact situation the Tigers found themselves in.

          • Tigers Fan in Toronto

            April 18, 2010 at 7:17 pm

            He was fortunate to move him over…..but it’s a moot point anyway because nobone could bring in from third.

  43. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    BInge just refuses to chase those pitches out of the strike zone so far this year.

  44. Kevin in Dallas

    April 18, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Tigers are getting on base and hitting the ball hard. Can’t ask for much more. We’ll get some key hits in LA.

    Let’s lock this down. Pancho Valverde, or whatever his nickname is.

    • Coleman

      April 18, 2010 at 7:04 pm

      It’s either Papa Grande or Caca Grande, we’ll soon know which it is for today.

  45. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    we’ve hit some bullets today and the Mariners have come up with them. they’re a good defensive team, but some of these ‘ole’ plays by Figgins are awfully lucky.

  46. Vince in MN

    April 18, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    R3L2O – again.

    • ouchudied

      April 18, 2010 at 7:02 pm

      So what does this R3L2O mean?

      • Vince in MN

        April 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm

        Runner on 3rd less than 2 out.

  47. Mike in CT

    April 18, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    anyone know if a site like fangraphs or similar keep aggregate LOB stats?

    33 for the Tigres today. Ick.

    • Mark in Chicago

      April 18, 2010 at 7:07 pm

      2-18 with RISP.

      double ick

    • billfer

      April 18, 2010 at 7:09 pm

      I’m pretty sure it isn’t 33 LOB. The most possible LOB in a 9 inning game is 27.

      • Mike in CT

        April 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm

        Maybe Team LOB…reading it off the MLB Gameday.

        It’s a column in the box score, so that’s the total of all the batters, Magglio had eight by himself. … Didn’t see the real number lower down.

        The actual LOB for the team was just 12, which is more tolerable.

      • Vince in MN

        April 18, 2010 at 7:19 pm

        The 33 is the cumalitive of all runners left on by all batters over the course of the game . 12 LOB was the total runners stranded today.

        • Vince in MN

          April 18, 2010 at 7:22 pm

          By contrast Seattle was 11 and 6.

          • Mark in Chicago

            April 18, 2010 at 7:36 pm

            the flip side to that is they have guys on in the first place. they won’t hit 2-18 with RISP all season (at least I hope not) so if they can continue to get on base, they will score some runs.

            there’s a lack of power on this team, so they will ultimately have problems scoring runs in bunches, but the Red Sox proved you can score plenty of runs without a ton of power in the lineup.

            • Vince in MN

              April 18, 2010 at 7:47 pm

              I hope you’re right Mark. The power just isn’t there to play station-to-station, but “manufacturing” runs has been a difficult task for this team for some years now. True, the personnel is a bit different this year, but I wonder if the lack of experience in the “pirhana” style plus the overall slowness of foot won’t be a significant impediment.

              • Mark in Chicago

                April 18, 2010 at 9:47 pm

                yeah agree that they’ve struggled to manufacture runs. Leyland talks often about wanting to run and put some pressure on the defense but there isn’t a lot of it in the games. some of that is personnel, granted, but jackson has been on base a good amount and i can’t recall if leyland has tried to execute a hit and run with Damon batting.

                he also seems reluctant to bunt with the guys at the bottom of the order (Laird and Everett especially), even in the middle innings. Over a long season that’s going to cost you some runs.

  48. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    the strike zone has completely shrunk. apparently the umpire is trying to kill some time before his flight out.

  49. Mark in Chicago

    April 18, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    great job valverde!

  50. Keith (Mr. X)

    April 18, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Attaboy Valverde! Nice win.. Cabrera was huge in the clutch again. Avila had some great Ab’s and he gunned down Figgins trying to steal 2nd. Austin Jackson keeps hitting like a stud. Scherzer looked real good and so did Perry.

  51. JCM

    April 18, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Avila showed again he is far from ready to play a MLB. Laird is out of focus and caused Bondo´s melt but still…

    • billfer

      April 18, 2010 at 7:28 pm

      What? What did Avila do wrong today?

      • RoseTattoo

        April 18, 2010 at 7:31 pm

        He forgot to shave?

    • Jerry The Tiger Fan

      April 18, 2010 at 7:34 pm

      What?? How did Avila show he was far from ready “to play a MLB” (what??). He hit a big double in the 8th which led to a Tiger run (something we get precious few of lately), drew a walk, threw out a base stealer, and got robbed by Figgins on what should’ve been an RBI single in the ninth. Laird should sit unless the other team is starting a lefty. Avila also did a nice job with blocking pitches in the dirt. Laird is an AUTOMATIC OUT. Why is this so hard for you to compute? I’m sure Laird would’ve gone 0-4 with a few weak popflys mixed in just to stay consistent. Laird needs his butt sat down for a while. THe only game in Anaheim that Laird should start is Tuesday, and only because Kazmir is a lefty.

      • Vince in MN

        April 18, 2010 at 7:38 pm

        He also successfully blocked the plate and got a putout preventing a run early in the game. Not exactly a bad day at the office for the catcher I think.

      • Keith (Mr. X)

        April 18, 2010 at 8:08 pm

        I’m ready for Avila . I think it’s time to trade either Laird or move him to a back-up role. Laird is destined to be a back-up catcher wherever he goes.

    • Mark in Chicago

      April 18, 2010 at 7:38 pm

      i’m no Laird fan at the moment, but I don’t understand how he “caused” Bondo’s melt (I assume you mean meltdown…). Care to explain?

  52. Jerry The Tiger Fan

    April 18, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    My three stars for today:

    1st star: Cabrera. His three run HR was huge for a team struggling to score runs. His leadoff double in the ninth was wasted, but the big man was a big factor today.

    2nd star: Austin Jackson. Jackson had three hits, scored a run, and drove in a huge insurance run in the 8th inning to regain the momentum for the good guys.

    3rd star: Ryan Perry. What an eighth inning he pitched! That pitch he struck out Gutierrez with was FILTHY! Then getting Lopez to pop out to Maggs was huge. That was the ballgame right there. Seattle had the meat of its lineup coming up with two on and nobody out and Perry buckled down and did what a quality setup man does…..get people out in tough situations.

    Honorable mention: Max Scherzer. A quality start when his team really needed one (as in riding a three game losing skid). Set down 8 straight hitters at one point.

    • Coleman

      April 19, 2010 at 1:54 am

      I’m giving an honorable mention to Inge (Inge?? yes, Inge.).

      Inge had 3 walks and saw 29 pitches; walks and PPA have been Tiger weak points for awhile. I am concerned about the popups to the right side (although it may be related to his opposite field gap double thing also), but even at this early stage of the season an Inge with more walks than strikeouts is an Inge that is very very valuable (and yes, walks aren’t so hard when you usually bat in front of Laird…but it’s not like he didn’t bat in front of Laird last season).

  53. Steve

    April 18, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    A win feels great today. A WIN

  54. Coleman

    April 18, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    I’m going to open a diner just so I can put a Bondo Melt on the menu.

    • Mark in Chicago

      April 18, 2010 at 9:47 pm

      post of the day, nice.

  55. jud

    April 18, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    nice to see back to back good outings by starting pitching …maybe this will continue. And its too bad Avila did so much in one game, Leyland will think he needs a rest for another week.

  56. Steve

    April 18, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Billfer, Excellent Graphic on the Game Day post. Love it.

    Steve

    PS: Coleman maybe you could dress your picture up a little ;)
    PSS, I think the Bondo Melt should have Fresh Jalapeño on it. You could call it the BM for short

    • billfer

      April 18, 2010 at 9:26 pm

      Thanks. That may be the new default graphic, time permitting of course.

      • Coleman

        April 18, 2010 at 11:31 pm

        Hopefully you are referring to your excellent Game Day Graphic and not a “dressed up” Coleman picture

  57. Coleman

    April 18, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Steve: not a bad suggestion, although it would irritate Pujols

  58. Packey

    April 18, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    That was a nice win. I don’t think Leyland overmanaged, though, Billfer. Scherzer was at 90 pitches and ended on a high note through 6th (quality start). The Mariners had 2 lefties and washed up Eric Byrnes due-up in the 7th, perfect for Loogy Phil Coke. Unfortunately, they needed Perry for an out because Coke had a bad 2-out walk. Whether it worked or didn’t, that’s exactly how games should/may have to play out down the stretch. Leyland has his Loogy’s to face the lefties and set up guys like Perry he will have to trust to go 2 innings like that in close games, maybe when Scherzer (or whoever) aren’t as economic with their pitch counts. I don’t think it’s a bad thing this early in the season to develop/show that trust/dependency.

  59. Packey

    April 18, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    As for sac bunting – I love it normally. However, this team clearly struggles scoring guys with less than 2 outs from 3rd, so the sac bunt just gives the other team a free out. HAVING SAID THAT, the bunts still need to be executed by the hitter. That’s obviously not on Leyland.