Comments on: Maybe that helped us http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Cialis http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-138051 Cialis Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:06:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-138051 8NnrPt Thank you for the material. Do you mind if I posted it in her blog, of course, with reference to your site? 8NnrPt Thank you for the material. Do you mind if I posted it in her blog, of course, with reference to your site?

]]> By: Spike http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137856 Spike Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:15:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137856 A one year deal can't do any harm and might do a lot of good. But I find this Damon story a lot less interesting than the trade that DD will probably do before the end of spring training. If we really do have a surplus of pitching -- and fourth outfielders -- can we get a relatively young SS or 3b who can both field and hit? Can you imagine what that would be like? A one year deal can’t do any harm and might do a lot of good. But I find this Damon story a lot less interesting than the trade that DD will probably do before the end of spring training. If we really do have a surplus of pitching — and fourth outfielders — can we get a relatively young SS or 3b who can both field and hit? Can you imagine what that would be like?

]]> By: Kevin in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137832 Kevin in Dallas Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:56:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137832 Ouch. Ouch.

]]> By: Dr. Detroit http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137829 Dr. Detroit Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:29:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137829 Totally Jud. If Granderson were still here, no way do we make this kind of deal. Jackson has the makings of being Granderson 2.0 at the fraction of the cost, and a half a decade younger. We lost the Central last year, and we needed to change the team as it stood. The only way to do that was to either (1) spend more money or (2) trade valuable assets. We spent money were it was needed: Verlander and a closer (Valverde, barring injury, is going to be a stud for us) but we needed a new look. Granderson, for all of his benefits, also is a terrible lead-off hitter because of his strikeouts, low OBP and his streakiness. But he also was the most valuable asset the team had outside of JV, Miggy and Porcello. Who do we trade to get back a guy like Scherzer (whom by the way is a monster--a Padres buddy of mine was happy to see him go), Jackson, Coke and Schlereth, solid, potentially spectacular talent, all team controlled contracts, and all of their contracts combined equaling about a 1/4 of Granderson's? Inge? Yeah, right. Mags? Guillen? Granderson was it and we made out. Damon is a winner and a proven hitter. Yes, he throws like me trying to throw left-handed (i.e. terribly) but it's a one-year deal. Solid move. Totally Jud. If Granderson were still here, no way do we make this kind of deal. Jackson has the makings of being Granderson 2.0 at the fraction of the cost, and a half a decade younger. We lost the Central last year, and we needed to change the team as it stood. The only way to do that was to either (1) spend more money or (2) trade valuable assets. We spent money were it was needed: Verlander and a closer (Valverde, barring injury, is going to be a stud for us) but we needed a new look. Granderson, for all of his benefits, also is a terrible lead-off hitter because of his strikeouts, low OBP and his streakiness. But he also was the most valuable asset the team had outside of JV, Miggy and Porcello. Who do we trade to get back a guy like Scherzer (whom by the way is a monster–a Padres buddy of mine was happy to see him go), Jackson, Coke and Schlereth, solid, potentially spectacular talent, all team controlled contracts, and all of their contracts combined equaling about a 1/4 of Granderson’s? Inge? Yeah, right. Mags? Guillen? Granderson was it and we made out. Damon is a winner and a proven hitter. Yes, he throws like me trying to throw left-handed (i.e. terribly) but it’s a one-year deal. Solid move.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137828 Keith (Mr. X) Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:17:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137828 Roster spot wise it's- Granderson / Thames or Jackson / Damon. I think the latter will help win more games. The Tigers look like a better now and in the future. Roster spot wise it’s-
Granderson / Thames
or
Jackson / Damon.

I think the latter will help win more games. The Tigers look like a better now and in the future.

]]> By: Andre in Chi http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137827 Andre in Chi Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:15:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137827 MLB trade rumors had the WS around 4.5M, although Tampa Bay was recently reported to have had the 2nd highest bid, but that figure wasn't listed. MLB trade rumors had the WS around 4.5M, although Tampa Bay was recently reported to have had the 2nd highest bid, but that figure wasn’t listed.

]]> By: Jud http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137826 Jud Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:54:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137826 you choose... Granderson or Jackson and Damon ???? I love Granderson...but good luck in NY I'm going Jackson and Damon. I basically happened because theres No one or two hitter.. Does this even happen if the Granderson trade wasn't made? you choose…
Granderson or Jackson and Damon ????

I love Granderson…but good luck in NY I’m going Jackson and Damon. I basically happened because theres No one or two hitter.. Does this even happen if the Granderson trade wasn’t made?

]]> By: Kevin in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137823 Kevin in Dallas Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:25:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137823 Do you have any back-up on this? I'm thrilled that it's a one year deal. But if you can show me that the CWS had offered significantly less, and that's all that was out there, then I'll agree. Do you have any back-up on this?

I’m thrilled that it’s a one year deal. But if you can show me that the CWS had offered significantly less, and that’s all that was out there, then I’ll agree.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137822 Kathy Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:14:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137822 I'm just happy!!!! Go Tigers!!!!!!!!! I’m just happy!!!! Go Tigers!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Dr. Detroit http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137821 Dr. Detroit Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:43:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137821 Damon's contract at 8 million was obviously driven by the market. What did the Braves offer, what did the Sox offer? In a sport with no cap-limitations, over-paying someone really does not mean anything. If this were basketball/football, and we spent 4-5 million more "than we should have" and could have spent it on re-signing the star to more money/longer contracts, or invest in another position, that's one thing. But it doesn't matter in baseball. $8 million may be steep for a 36 year old with no-doubt lower homerun totals coming this year without the lower deck in Yankee stadium, but he is obviously a stop-gap until we can find who will be a legit lead-off hitter for us in the future. Spending $8 million on a lead-off hitter we need is a GOOD sign for us fans, not something to lament. Damon’s contract at 8 million was obviously driven by the market. What did the Braves offer, what did the Sox offer? In a sport with no cap-limitations, over-paying someone really does not mean anything. If this were basketball/football, and we spent 4-5 million more “than we should have” and could have spent it on re-signing the star to more money/longer contracts, or invest in another position, that’s one thing. But it doesn’t matter in baseball. $8 million may be steep for a 36 year old with no-doubt lower homerun totals coming this year without the lower deck in Yankee stadium, but he is obviously a stop-gap until we can find who will be a legit lead-off hitter for us in the future. Spending $8 million on a lead-off hitter we need is a GOOD sign for us fans, not something to lament.

]]> By: TSE http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137820 TSE Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:06:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137820 They overpaid a LOT more than $3MM. They overpaid a LOT more than $3MM.

]]> By: stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137819 stephen Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:46:38 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137819 They over paid by about 3m on the Damon contract which, by my estimation, makes this the best contract move of the Dombrowski Era. They over paid by about 3m on the Damon contract which, by my estimation, makes this the best contract move of the Dombrowski Era.

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137818 Coleman Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:25:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137818 It would be amusing to see if he would waive his no-trade to go back to NY. Well, actually it wouldn't, since that would mean we were out of contention. It would be amusing to see if he would waive his no-trade to go back to NY. Well, actually it wouldn’t, since that would mean we were out of contention.

]]> By: TSE http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137817 TSE Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:44:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137817 It doesn't really matter at this point, cause it's not like it's a realistic outcome to our reality with the hand we have been dealt and with how the guy playing the hand is going to play it out. These complaints are really just spillover complaints from many years ago and they aren't going to go away so it's just a matter of how much longer do you want to explore all the possibilities of which we will never experience? It doesn’t really matter at this point, cause it’s not like it’s a realistic outcome to our reality with the hand we have been dealt and with how the guy playing the hand is going to play it out. These complaints are really just spillover complaints from many years ago and they aren’t going to go away so it’s just a matter of how much longer do you want to explore all the possibilities of which we will never experience?

]]> By: Mat http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137815 Mat Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:23:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2010/02/maybe-that-helped-us/#comment-137815 I don't understand. Are you suggesting the team spend money to get rid of the bad contracts (Willis, Robertson, etc.)? What does cleaning house get you? It not like the franchise is teaming with AAA propsects who are blocked by veterans. I understand the concept of cleaning house for a rebuild in the NBA, particularly with so few roster spots and the draft positioning incentive, but MLB doesn't work the same way. The moves made this offseason have set the Tigers up well in the future. The Valverde and Damon signings don't compromise that, they just happen to help the present, where, while the Tigers probably aren't contenders, theres always a chance they sneak into the playoffs in a weak division. I don’t understand. Are you suggesting the team spend money to get rid of the bad contracts (Willis, Robertson, etc.)? What does cleaning house get you? It not like the franchise is teaming with AAA propsects who are blocked by veterans.

I understand the concept of cleaning house for a rebuild in the NBA, particularly with so few roster spots and the draft positioning incentive, but MLB doesn’t work the same way. The moves made this offseason have set the Tigers up well in the future. The Valverde and Damon signings don’t compromise that, they just happen to help the present, where, while the Tigers probably aren’t contenders, theres always a chance they sneak into the playoffs in a weak division.

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