Comments on: Why the Granderson take down? http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137711 Keith (Mr. X) Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:22:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137711 In this mornings news it say's Granderson has just agreed to move to LF. In this mornings news it say’s Granderson has just agreed to move to LF.

]]> By: TSE http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137709 TSE Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:25:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137709 Yeah the Yankees have lots of flexibility indeed, they can do anything they damn well please apparently. Must be nice. I think Grandy will most often be playing CF and leading off. Yeah the Yankees have lots of flexibility indeed, they can do anything they damn well please apparently. Must be nice. I think Grandy will most often be playing CF and leading off.

]]> By: Andre in Chi http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137708 Andre in Chi Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:59:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137708 "we were not going to be able to afford any of these guys (Jackson, Lyon, Rodney, Polly, etc.) We needed to get a younger, more enduring roster." Until this off-season is over, it isn't going to be easy to pick out what the goal was from the organizations point of view. It also could well be that they adjusted course midway through the off-season. However, when looking at some of the signing that were made (Valverde a 30-something @ $7m) and that are being considered (Damon, a 36 yr-old @ $7+m), its hard to say that the departures you mention were for the sake of payroll or youth. Roster control/flexibility might be the underlying theme, but other than that, the Tigers were all over the place this off-season. Lets wait a while to assume. “we were not going to be able to afford any of these guys (Jackson, Lyon, Rodney, Polly, etc.) We needed to get a younger, more enduring roster.”

Until this off-season is over, it isn’t going to be easy to pick out what the goal was from the organizations point of view. It also could well be that they adjusted course midway through the off-season.

However, when looking at some of the signing that were made (Valverde a 30-something @ $7m) and that are being considered (Damon, a 36 yr-old @ $7+m), its hard to say that the departures you mention were for the sake of payroll or youth. Roster control/flexibility might be the underlying theme, but other than that, the Tigers were all over the place this off-season. Lets wait a while to assume.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137707 Keith (Mr. X) Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:03:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137707 Maybe the Yankees will play it wisely and platoon Granderson/Thames in LF. I only wish the Tigers could of done that. Our plans of moving Granderson to LF went sailing when we traded away Maybin for Cabrera. That trade disrupted our teams long term plans in more ways than one. It also made Sheffield expendable, it moved Guillen from 1B to 3B to LF, and it turned Inge into an unhappy bench player for a season. I like Cabrera's bat, but we sure have bent over backwards for the guy. Brett Gardner might just win the everyday Yankee CF job in Spring Training. That guy has great range and speed, has a very good arm, and he's good at getting on base. I wish the Tigers had a guy like that. Maybe the Yankees will play it wisely and platoon Granderson/Thames in LF. I only wish the Tigers could of done that. Our plans of moving Granderson to LF went sailing when we traded away Maybin for Cabrera. That trade disrupted our teams long term plans in more ways than one. It also made Sheffield expendable, it moved Guillen from 1B to 3B to LF, and it turned Inge into an unhappy bench player for a season. I like Cabrera’s bat, but we sure have bent over backwards for the guy.

Brett Gardner might just win the everyday Yankee CF job in Spring Training. That guy has great range and speed, has a very good arm, and he’s good at getting on base. I wish the Tigers had a guy like that.

]]> By: TSE http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137706 TSE Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:38:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137706 That information is already known, thanks for telling us again? That information is already known, thanks for telling us again?

]]> By: Shane Trapped In Toledo http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137705 Shane Trapped In Toledo Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:34:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137705 Thames was signed to a minor league contract and might not make the team. Even though his OPE is awesome. Thames was signed to a minor league contract and might not make the team. Even though his OPE is awesome.

]]> By: TSE http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137704 TSE Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:26:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137704 Odd coincidence that guys like Granderson and Thames aren't good enough for our team, but they are good enough for the best team in baseball. What kind of logic soda are they drinking over there in the Big Apple? Odd coincidence that guys like Granderson and Thames aren’t good enough for our team, but they are good enough for the best team in baseball. What kind of logic soda are they drinking over there in the Big Apple?

]]> By: Chris Y. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137702 Chris Y. Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:44:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137702 You're right, Granderson sucked. Barely replacement-level. It's a wonder the Tigers were able to come out of their two-decade doldrums dragging his dead weight. Furthermore, since every other GM knew he was an over-hyped, selfish community-first type who should have been spending more time in the film room/cage, it's a miracle DD was able to create a market to unload the player known widely as "The Distracted". And besides, he never deserved the love and support of the kind and loyal Detroit fan base. Adios, Mr. Slip and Slide. You’re right, Granderson sucked. Barely replacement-level. It’s a wonder the Tigers were able to come out of their two-decade doldrums dragging his dead weight. Furthermore, since every other GM knew he was an over-hyped, selfish community-first type who should have been spending more time in the film room/cage, it’s a miracle DD was able to create a market to unload the player known widely as “The Distracted”. And besides, he never deserved the love and support of the kind and loyal Detroit fan base. Adios, Mr. Slip and Slide.

]]> By: Chris http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137700 Chris Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:22:51 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137700 He called this months in advance...and you say he is all right as long as you don't care about "factualness" What are you smoking? He called this months in advance…and you say he is all right as long as you don’t care about “factualness” What are you smoking?

]]> By: Chris http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-137699 Chris Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:21:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-137699 Terrible analysis. Henning was the only person, who had said all along that we were not going to be able to afford any of these guys (Jackson, Lyon, Rodney, Polly, etc.) We needed to get a younger, more enduring roster. He was the only writer w/ some common sense...Heck, no other writers were discussing how, we needed to sign JV to big money...Now, you chastize him for having a clue. Give me a break, Grandy was the most overhyped ball player ever to come into this town. He did everything but work on his craft. The guy was moving past his prime and considering, we had held on to many other talents way too long..Nate, Inge, etc. Grandy will be a great 7th, 8th, or 9th hitter for the bloated payroll of the yankees. He was not a star as many in Detroit pretended and he was an average defender, who made the occasional spectacular play. Yes, he won a game in Cleveland, but, in the big game at the metrodome, he misplayed a ball badly and who could forget, Mr. slip and slide to put us down 3-1 in the 06 WS. I for one, was sick of hearing about Grnaderson...who couldn't drive in a runner w/ 2 outs or from 3rd w/ less than 2 outs if his life depended on it. I say way to go Leyland and way to go DD. I'll take JV for 5 years over Jackson and Granderson anyday. Terrible analysis. Henning was the only person, who had said all along that we were not going to be able to afford any of these guys (Jackson, Lyon, Rodney, Polly, etc.) We needed to get a younger, more enduring roster. He was the only writer w/ some common sense…Heck, no other writers were discussing how, we needed to sign JV to big money…Now, you chastize him for having a clue. Give me a break, Grandy was the most overhyped ball player ever to come into this town. He did everything but work on his craft. The guy was moving past his prime and considering, we had held on to many other talents way too long..Nate, Inge, etc. Grandy will be a great 7th, 8th, or 9th hitter for the bloated payroll of the yankees. He was not a star as many in Detroit pretended and he was an average defender, who made the occasional spectacular play. Yes, he won a game in Cleveland, but, in the big game at the metrodome, he misplayed a ball badly and who could forget, Mr. slip and slide to put us down 3-1 in the 06 WS. I for one, was sick of hearing about Grnaderson…who couldn’t drive in a runner w/ 2 outs or from 3rd w/ less than 2 outs if his life depended on it. I say way to go Leyland and way to go DD. I’ll take JV for 5 years over Jackson and Granderson anyday.

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-136535 Vince in MN Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:07:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-136535 Henning, like every other "hometown" sportswriter, is an a**-kisser (yes, they grovel here in MN too). Indirectly (perhaps even directly?) his livlihood is dependent on corporations such as the Detroit Tigers. Now that Granderson is no longer part of the team, there is no need to write nice about the former center fielder. And to write negatively about the trade could potentially risk reducing his access to zero. No access, no paycheck. In fact, further groveling may insure greater access. Still, he may be worth reading as long as you don't take him too seriously in terms of "factualness"; rumors and spin, yes. For any deep analysis he is almost always late to the party, if he shows up at all, and the blogs (hat tip to Bill here, and Lee at Tiger Tales, etc.) are the places to go. Henning, like every other “hometown” sportswriter, is an a**-kisser (yes, they grovel here in MN too). Indirectly (perhaps even directly?) his livlihood is dependent on corporations such as the Detroit Tigers. Now that Granderson is no longer part of the team, there is no need to write nice about the former center fielder. And to write negatively about the trade could potentially risk reducing his access to zero. No access, no paycheck. In fact, further groveling may insure greater access. Still, he may be worth reading as long as you don’t take him too seriously in terms of “factualness”; rumors and spin, yes. For any deep analysis he is almost always late to the party, if he shows up at all, and the blogs (hat tip to Bill here, and Lee at Tiger Tales, etc.) are the places to go.

]]> By: Coach Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-136531 Coach Jim Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:44:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-136531 I stopped reading Henning's columns in mid September (and complained about it here). Here we were, first place for 100 days, and it was a steady stream of "this team is terrible." Negative Nellie (negative Neifi?) all the way. Yes, it seems he got a "scoop" in exchange for PR fixin' DD knew he would need. Now I just want to know how he got the scoop on blowing first place. I stopped reading Henning’s columns in mid September (and complained about it here). Here we were, first place for 100 days, and it was a steady stream of “this team is terrible.” Negative Nellie (negative Neifi?) all the way.

Yes, it seems he got a “scoop” in exchange for PR fixin’ DD knew he would need. Now I just want to know how he got the scoop on blowing first place.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-136487 Keith (Mr. X) Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:56:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-136487 Hard-wired is right. The Tigers are part of my DNA or something. When Granderson & Jackson were traded it was like someone pulled my damaged heart out and put a new heart back in. I'm very excited about 2010 and seeing our new crop of players. Hard-wired is right.
The Tigers are part of my DNA or something.
When Granderson & Jackson were traded it was like someone pulled my damaged heart out and put a new heart back in. I’m very excited about 2010 and seeing our new crop of players.

]]> By: Spike http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-136484 Spike Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:00:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-136484 What draws me to the Tigers? That question is hard to answer because it's almost like it's hard-wired; I can't remember a time when I wasn't a Tiger fan. That loyalty has endured bad trades (Jim Bunning for Don Demeter) and terrible seasons ('75 and '03). And it's a lot more than laundry. I left Michigan more than 30 years ago and my loyalty has never faltered. I now live in an NL city so I have a second team to support. But that support comes from my head and can wax and wane depending upon the performance of the team and the quality of the management. With the Tigers it's different. My support comes directly from my heart and is unconditional. Players and management come and go but the team and its tradition always continues. I've loved watching Granderson. I will miss him. If he were playing for anyone but the Yankees, I would even root for him. But his departure is just another page to turn in the story of the Tigers. That's just the way it is. What draws me to the Tigers? That question is hard to answer because it’s almost like it’s hard-wired; I can’t remember a time when I wasn’t a Tiger fan. That loyalty has endured bad trades (Jim Bunning for Don Demeter) and terrible seasons (’75 and ’03). And it’s a lot more than laundry. I left Michigan more than 30 years ago and my loyalty has never faltered. I now live in an NL city so I have a second team to support. But that support comes from my head and can wax and wane depending upon the performance of the team and the quality of the management. With the Tigers it’s different. My support comes directly from my heart and is unconditional. Players and management come and go but the team and its tradition always continues.

I’ve loved watching Granderson. I will miss him. If he were playing for anyone but the Yankees, I would even root for him. But his departure is just another page to turn in the story of the Tigers. That’s just the way it is.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/12/why-the-granderson-take-down/#comment-136482 Kathy Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:31:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5788#comment-136482 Team loyalty? Loving a team you grew up watching or played on. Team loyalty? Loving a team you grew up watching or played on.

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