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	<title>Comments on: Tigers announce bevy of roster moves</title>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-announce-bevy-of-roster-moves/#comment-135247</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, not exactly a roster move per se, but...

Tom Brookens is the Tigers&#039; new first base coach!

(Is this a step toward a line-of-succession for after Uncle Smokey retires?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not exactly a roster move per se, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Tom Brookens is the Tigers&#8217; new first base coach!</p>
<p>(Is this a step toward a line-of-succession for after Uncle Smokey retires?)</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the dominance of the Yankees not being fully appreciated&quot;?  I think he summed it up pretty good by showing that the team that spends ludicrous, and that&#039;s his word, amounts of money, has a higher probability of making the playoffs.  The best team money could buy. The other MLB teams just hope for a miracle with their teams and their budgets.  I can&#039;t find any correlation to poker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the dominance of the Yankees not being fully appreciated&#8221;?  I think he summed it up pretty good by showing that the team that spends ludicrous, and that&#8217;s his word, amounts of money, has a higher probability of making the playoffs.  The best team money could buy. The other MLB teams just hope for a miracle with their teams and their budgets.  I can&#8217;t find any correlation to poker.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigerdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tigerdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These roster moves leave a couple of questions unanswered.   As explained in the article &#039;ROSTER CUTTING&quot; on this website, the Tigers needed to remove four players to make room for the four coming off the DL, and that did not include Sborz.   Thames is gone and Sborz is added.   Hollimon and Treanor were activated and taken off the roster.   But Larish and Zumaya were added back to the roster without a reciprocal move. 
The Tiger website shows that there are 42 players on the 40 man roster.  Unless they can use the spots being vacated by pending free agents, two more players will have to come off the roster.  A couple of sources have indicated that those spots can not yet be used.   Something has to give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These roster moves leave a couple of questions unanswered.   As explained in the article &#8216;ROSTER CUTTING&#8221; on this website, the Tigers needed to remove four players to make room for the four coming off the DL, and that did not include Sborz.   Thames is gone and Sborz is added.   Hollimon and Treanor were activated and taken off the roster.   But Larish and Zumaya were added back to the roster without a reciprocal move.<br />
The Tiger website shows that there are 42 players on the 40 man roster.  Unless they can use the spots being vacated by pending free agents, two more players will have to come off the roster.  A couple of sources have indicated that those spots can not yet be used.   Something has to give.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope so I bet they could all use a player who HR&#039;s once every 15 AB&#039;s and bats 230-250 when he is hot....lots of outs there! Good bye Marcus....Hooray for the Tigers, they finally see the light</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope so I bet they could all use a player who HR&#8217;s once every 15 AB&#8217;s and bats 230-250 when he is hot&#8230;.lots of outs there! Good bye Marcus&#8230;.Hooray for the Tigers, they finally see the light</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He would have struck out even more. This argument has been proven not to work in baseball over and over...a pinch hitter/bench player very rarely if ever have stats improve with more ab&#039;s. What usually  happens is the weakness that has made them a bench player is over exposed and the stats get worse. Sorry but this Thames needs more time argument doesn&#039;t hold water or he would have played more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He would have struck out even more. This argument has been proven not to work in baseball over and over&#8230;a pinch hitter/bench player very rarely if ever have stats improve with more ab&#8217;s. What usually  happens is the weakness that has made them a bench player is over exposed and the stats get worse. Sorry but this Thames needs more time argument doesn&#8217;t hold water or he would have played more.</p>
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		<title>By: cammee</title>
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		<dc:creator>cammee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, as a Tigers fan living in Utah, I love this blog!  It&#039;s the only thing that keeps me in the loop.  Thank you for that!

I, too, am sad to see Marcus go.  I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a move I don&#039;t agree with, but sad none the less.  Best of luck to him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, as a Tigers fan living in Utah, I love this blog!  It&#8217;s the only thing that keeps me in the loop.  Thank you for that!</p>
<p>I, too, am sad to see Marcus go.  I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s a move I don&#8217;t agree with, but sad none the less.  Best of luck to him!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it obvious why they signed him?  Former Marlin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it obvious why they signed him?  Former Marlin!</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Underground...an awesome locale for the Lions...if only...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Underground&#8230;an awesome locale for the Lions&#8230;if only&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t post on Motown Sports any longer.  I post mainly on RealGM and LionsUnderground as of late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t post on Motown Sports any longer.  I post mainly on RealGM and LionsUnderground as of late.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t seen any yet at Motown Sports.  Looking forward to them, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t seen any yet at Motown Sports.  Looking forward to them, though.</p>
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		<title>By: TSE</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-announce-bevy-of-roster-moves/#comment-135207</link>
		<dc:creator>TSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve probably posted about 50 times with poker analogies in various forums around the net this year.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve probably posted about 50 times with poker analogies in various forums around the net this year.  <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lee Panas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Panas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TSE&#039;s poker analogies are the best.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TSE&#8217;s poker analogies are the best.  <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Treanor being removed from the roster certainly wasn&#039;t surprising. What was surprising was that they signed him in the first place; that never made any sense (to me anyway). No matter what one thinks of Thames, the fact is that Leyland wasn&#039;t going to play him. And to be fair, the Tigers have too many 4th OF/backup DH types anyway and Marcus is the odd man out there. I hope he thrives wherever he goes - there are a couple of teams looking for an everyday RH DH and at 3M or so he could turn out to be a bargain for someone. I am curious to see what happens with Ryan. As weak organizationally at catcher as the Tigers are, Leyland didn&#039;t seem very interested in playing him either, so you have to wonder what his future holds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Treanor being removed from the roster certainly wasn&#8217;t surprising. What was surprising was that they signed him in the first place; that never made any sense (to me anyway). No matter what one thinks of Thames, the fact is that Leyland wasn&#8217;t going to play him. And to be fair, the Tigers have too many 4th OF/backup DH types anyway and Marcus is the odd man out there. I hope he thrives wherever he goes &#8211; there are a couple of teams looking for an everyday RH DH and at 3M or so he could turn out to be a bargain for someone. I am curious to see what happens with Ryan. As weak organizationally at catcher as the Tigers are, Leyland didn&#8217;t seem very interested in playing him either, so you have to wonder what his future holds.</p>
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		<title>By: TSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I certainly don&#039;t want Thames to join those teams, that&#039;s just my guess.  What I want is for Detroit to sign him, or somebody that isn&#039;t a competitive threat.

Also, I take no pleasure in the Yankees winning, I hate the Yankees! lol

Haven&#039;t seen the article but will pull it up right now and take a look...

Hmm, yeah an interesting article indeed.  One thing too that he didn&#039;t mention is that MLB does a GREAT job of facilitating parity in the league, which the NFL does not do.  For example, teams like the Lions that have the #1 overall pick have to pay a ridiculous fortune for that pick, whereas that money penalty doesn&#039;t exist in baseball.  When you have a salary cap  it makes it even worse for the Lions, cause not only do we pay out an unfair amount for a prospect, but a % of the funds left remaining is then unfavorably lower.  That&#039;s not an excuse for the Lions and the other terrible teams to be awful year in and year out, but it&#039;s still a different dynamic.  If the NFL wanted to have stronger parity, they really should give the worst teams some more help by having a rookie pay scale and thus allowing the salary cap concept and benefits to the worst teams to coincide properly to keep more balance.

But of course he is right on his perspective about the dominance of the Yankees not being fully appreciated because of the nature of the game and the design of the probabilities of events that are required to win.  These are very different sports, in football if you are the better player, you can will yourself to consistently win if you keep your focus and utilize your talents correctly.  In baseball you have less control.  As good as ARod may be, he can&#039;t automatically make a play at will to the same degree a RB or QB can.  He&#039;s stuck at gambling on a low-odds chance of succeeding.  

I would say one way to look at it is to compare it to poker.  Take the World Series for example.  You have 8,000 players, yet TONS of people who are regarded as the greatest players in the world get knocked off.  If you were to rank the top 100 or 500 players in the world on poker skill, well you wouldn&#039;t see them finishing in those respective spots, you see them dropping out all over the place, because they can&#039;t control their own destiny just on skill alone.  No matter how ingeniously they decide to invest their chips, they are always facing pretty sizable percentages of having bad luck to destroy their investment.  But now if this is the WS of tennis, the top 100 and 500 players in an 8,000 man tournament would make it much farther than the poker players would, because there&#039;s not so much statistical chance outside of your control and you can hone your skill to victory with greater consistency.
(I was in the WS of poker this year by the way, but left on an early exit because a person called a huge bet I made w/o proper pot odds and lucked out and pulled his straight to win.  He actually even admitted that he realized the mistake in his calculation and spoke too quickly when he called the bet, but nevertheless I no longer had the chips and he doubled his chance, that&#039;s just poker for ya)

Another thing I would like to personally know which I will never truly know, is how smart are the Yankees with tactical decisions?  I wonder if they are highly efficient there or not.  Cause with the money they spend and the amount of talent they have, they could still produce the win totals that they have even if they used what I consider to be bad tactical decisions.  In other words, it is possible that Leyland could manage the Yankees to similar accolades.  I watch just about every Tigers game there is, but I&#039;m not watching every Yankees game, so I can&#039;t assess the quality of the tactical decisions of any team as well as I can for the Tigers, thus I don&#039;t know if the Yankees should have won even more games than they did or not.  If they were making countless errors, it is conceivable that they could have 5 or so extra wins on top of what they had.  I guestimated that the Tigers gaffed about 10 games this year, which is unusually high even for a bad managed team, but since the Yankees have a smaller portion of losses overall, any mismanagement to the same degree would cost them fewer losses as their excessive talent will protect them from a portion of those mistakes.

I also like how this writer periodically capitalizes certain words for EMPHASIS just like I do. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I certainly don&#8217;t want Thames to join those teams, that&#8217;s just my guess.  What I want is for Detroit to sign him, or somebody that isn&#8217;t a competitive threat.</p>
<p>Also, I take no pleasure in the Yankees winning, I hate the Yankees! lol</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen the article but will pull it up right now and take a look&#8230;</p>
<p>Hmm, yeah an interesting article indeed.  One thing too that he didn&#8217;t mention is that MLB does a GREAT job of facilitating parity in the league, which the NFL does not do.  For example, teams like the Lions that have the #1 overall pick have to pay a ridiculous fortune for that pick, whereas that money penalty doesn&#8217;t exist in baseball.  When you have a salary cap  it makes it even worse for the Lions, cause not only do we pay out an unfair amount for a prospect, but a % of the funds left remaining is then unfavorably lower.  That&#8217;s not an excuse for the Lions and the other terrible teams to be awful year in and year out, but it&#8217;s still a different dynamic.  If the NFL wanted to have stronger parity, they really should give the worst teams some more help by having a rookie pay scale and thus allowing the salary cap concept and benefits to the worst teams to coincide properly to keep more balance.</p>
<p>But of course he is right on his perspective about the dominance of the Yankees not being fully appreciated because of the nature of the game and the design of the probabilities of events that are required to win.  These are very different sports, in football if you are the better player, you can will yourself to consistently win if you keep your focus and utilize your talents correctly.  In baseball you have less control.  As good as ARod may be, he can&#8217;t automatically make a play at will to the same degree a RB or QB can.  He&#8217;s stuck at gambling on a low-odds chance of succeeding.  </p>
<p>I would say one way to look at it is to compare it to poker.  Take the World Series for example.  You have 8,000 players, yet TONS of people who are regarded as the greatest players in the world get knocked off.  If you were to rank the top 100 or 500 players in the world on poker skill, well you wouldn&#8217;t see them finishing in those respective spots, you see them dropping out all over the place, because they can&#8217;t control their own destiny just on skill alone.  No matter how ingeniously they decide to invest their chips, they are always facing pretty sizable percentages of having bad luck to destroy their investment.  But now if this is the WS of tennis, the top 100 and 500 players in an 8,000 man tournament would make it much farther than the poker players would, because there&#8217;s not so much statistical chance outside of your control and you can hone your skill to victory with greater consistency.<br />
(I was in the WS of poker this year by the way, but left on an early exit because a person called a huge bet I made w/o proper pot odds and lucked out and pulled his straight to win.  He actually even admitted that he realized the mistake in his calculation and spoke too quickly when he called the bet, but nevertheless I no longer had the chips and he doubled his chance, that&#8217;s just poker for ya)</p>
<p>Another thing I would like to personally know which I will never truly know, is how smart are the Yankees with tactical decisions?  I wonder if they are highly efficient there or not.  Cause with the money they spend and the amount of talent they have, they could still produce the win totals that they have even if they used what I consider to be bad tactical decisions.  In other words, it is possible that Leyland could manage the Yankees to similar accolades.  I watch just about every Tigers game there is, but I&#8217;m not watching every Yankees game, so I can&#8217;t assess the quality of the tactical decisions of any team as well as I can for the Tigers, thus I don&#8217;t know if the Yankees should have won even more games than they did or not.  If they were making countless errors, it is conceivable that they could have 5 or so extra wins on top of what they had.  I guestimated that the Tigers gaffed about 10 games this year, which is unusually high even for a bad managed team, but since the Yankees have a smaller portion of losses overall, any mismanagement to the same degree would cost them fewer losses as their excessive talent will protect them from a portion of those mistakes.</p>
<p>I also like how this writer periodically capitalizes certain words for EMPHASIS just like I do. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what you want.  I&#039;m not so sure about those teams needing his services but, hopefully, some team will.  BTW, have you read Joe Posnanski&#039;s column on SI.com?  Nobody can say it, quite like him.  You wanted the Yankees to win, I&#039;m just sayin.</description>
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