Comments on: Tigers and the looming arbitration deadline http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:59:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135693 Coleman Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:40:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135693 On the other hand, word out here on the west coast is that SF is desperate to move a certain SS-playing Ham Sandwich... On the other hand, word out here on the west coast is that SF is desperate to move a certain SS-playing Ham Sandwich…

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135692 Coleman Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:38:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135692 I'm surprised we didn't offer to Everett--unless there is a downside I'm missing. I can't see him getting more than bottom-level starter money in arbitration. And it's not exactly a thriving SS market out there--case in point, Boston's "hey Dustin, ever think of playing SS?" maneuver... I’m surprised we didn’t offer to Everett–unless there is a downside I’m missing. I can’t see him getting more than bottom-level starter money in arbitration. And it’s not exactly a thriving SS market out there–case in point, Boston’s “hey Dustin, ever think of playing SS?” maneuver…

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135678 Kurt Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:24:04 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135678 Rodney seems to be more sure of himself than I think the market is sure of him. I think he bets wrong. Rodney seems to be more sure of himself than I think the market is sure of him. I think he bets wrong.

]]> By: TSE http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135677 TSE Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:15:37 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135677 We should offer Polanco a FA contract to play SS, not many teams can compete with us on that offer. I would be surprised if Rodney would reject the arbitration knowing he has that high save pct to rely on when presenting his valuation to the arbitration committee. We should offer Polanco a FA contract to play SS, not many teams can compete with us on that offer.

I would be surprised if Rodney would reject the arbitration knowing he has that high save pct to rely on when presenting his valuation to the arbitration committee.

]]> By: Anson http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135676 Anson Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:38:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135676 I'm hoping Lyon accepts and Rodney doesn't but have a feeling the opposite of this will occur. I’m hoping Lyon accepts and Rodney doesn’t but have a feeling the opposite of this will occur.

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135675 Vince in MN Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:32:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135675 The thick plottens. The thick plottens.

]]> By: Don in Denver http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135674 Don in Denver Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:24:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135674 Offered to Lyon and Rodney. http://www.freep.com/article/20091201/SPORTS02/91201053/1050/rss15 Offered to Lyon and Rodney.
http://www.freep.com/article/2.....1050/rss15

]]> By: RPS http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135661 RPS Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:11:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135661 I understand that DD's record is one of not offering arb to get the picks, but I really can't see the downside to offering all three. I don't think any of them would give a second thought to accepting; they all seem to be after a multi-year deal. Even of one or more of them were to, I think that they all have enough value that they could bring back a C- or B-level prospect from somebody in a trade once they are signed to a one-year deal. Unless there is a rule about trading guys post-arb. I really don't know. I think the best idea for the bullpen is to offer both Lyon and Rodney a 2/$8 (three the first year, five the second) deal. Tell them that the first to accept is the 2010 closer, and the other guy is out. If they both opt for the free market, you can certainly offer both arb with no doubts of their intention. I understand that DD’s record is one of not offering arb to get the picks, but I really can’t see the downside to offering all three. I don’t think any of them would give a second thought to accepting; they all seem to be after a multi-year deal. Even of one or more of them were to, I think that they all have enough value that they could bring back a C- or B-level prospect from somebody in a trade once they are signed to a one-year deal. Unless there is a rule about trading guys post-arb. I really don’t know.

I think the best idea for the bullpen is to offer both Lyon and Rodney a 2/$8 (three the first year, five the second) deal. Tell them that the first to accept is the 2010 closer, and the other guy is out. If they both opt for the free market, you can certainly offer both arb with no doubts of their intention.

]]> By: Mat http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135657 Mat Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:46:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135657 Good rundown. I think your logic makes sense - offer Lyon and let Polanco and Rodney walk away. Good players who contributed some good memories over many years. Plus they were both simply fun to watch. I know many Tiger fans would disagree with that assessment of Rodney, but after having Todd Jones for many years I think I've become accustomed to closers who seem to make a habit of maximizing drama before converting the save. What bugged me with both Rodney and Jones was whenever Leyland brought them in in non-save situations...it rarely seemed to work. Good rundown. I think your logic makes sense – offer Lyon and let Polanco and Rodney walk away. Good players who contributed some good memories over many years. Plus they were both simply fun to watch.

I know many Tiger fans would disagree with that assessment of Rodney, but after having Todd Jones for many years I think I’ve become accustomed to closers who seem to make a habit of maximizing drama before converting the save. What bugged me with both Rodney and Jones was whenever Leyland brought them in in non-save situations…it rarely seemed to work.

]]> By: amason http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135655 amason Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:40:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135655 Wouldn't offering arb. to Polly still be worth considering as he would probably still be tradable if he accepted. As well as he may reject the offer based on the fact that like 15 teams or so have their first round pick protected and those teams may be willing to give up a second round pick for him ... also there is all this trade talk and he may not be willing to return to to a team that could trade a lot of its best parts and no longer be 'competitive' or he (or his agent) may just realize that accepting would then make him part of trade talks for the rest of the offseason .... I think there are a lot of factors to consider here and at best it could pay off big with a 1st rounder and a supplmental pick Wouldn’t offering arb. to Polly still be worth considering as he would probably still be tradable if he accepted. As well as he may reject the offer based on the fact that like 15 teams or so have their first round pick protected and those teams may be willing to give up a second round pick for him … also there is all this trade talk and he may not be willing to return to to a team that could trade a lot of its best parts and no longer be ‘competitive’ or he (or his agent) may just realize that accepting would then make him part of trade talks for the rest of the offseason …. I think there are a lot of factors to consider here and at best it could pay off big with a 1st rounder and a supplmental pick

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135653 Kathy Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:58:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135653 I guess everyone else is still sleeping. If I can have only one of them, it would be Lyon. I guess everyone else is still sleeping. If I can have only one of them, it would be Lyon.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135643 Kathy Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:10:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/11/tigers-and-the-looming-arbitration-deadline/#comment-135643 Oh, I just can't stand this! Oh, I just can’t stand this!

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