Think of how big/small he would be if he took 3 months and consistently worked out AND AND AND counted his calories/protein/fat/carbs.

Yes some people have it easier and some have it harder, but in reality for most people can achieve if they really want it. There are many mental games people can play to convince themselves otherwise and sabotage their efforts.

I have learned through experience that it is a golden truth.

If he really wants to change and have his efforts in the gym mean something tell him to shoot me an email and I can refer him to an expert that will get his weight down fast – ie 2lbs/week.

But the majority of it is really that black and white. If he is maintaining at 230 pounds, then he is eating enough to keep himself obese. Come on. It is very similar to the Tigers playing in the 10th inning of a game, wondering why they haven’t already won.

I wouldn’t say this if I haven’t seen it play out time and time again.

Heck if you know anyone who is interested in knowing what path to follow and making it very simple (notice I did not say easy) email me. I can get you in touch with an expert.

But in reality and here is short sweet and golden advice.

If you want to get leaner/lose weight. Multiply your current body weight by 10-12.
Eat at least 1* your body weight in protein grams if not 1.25* it. Try to have the rest of your calories equally coming from fat and carbs. Workout hard for an hour every day alternating weight training and some form of cardio. And if you aren’t losing weight fast enough, or you stall wait 1-2 weeks. If you still have stalled up your cardio slightly and/or decrease your calories SLIGHTLY. And make sure to rest.

If you follow all of that and it doesn’t work either you are lying or you have some serious hormonal/genetic disorder and should see a doctor.

“I don’t care if obesity correlates with being an Obama fan or looking at the sky or getting licked by a cat.”
When a behavior correlates highly with other factors, it’s possible that those factors influence each other. Why would you not care to look at various factors if you’re trying to attribute causes to behavior?

“If the kid starts stuffing his face and continues until he is 30 are you still blaming the parents?”
Sure, to an extent. The fact that obese kids usually become obese adults is evidence that it’s not easy to overcome ignorance of nutrition or fitness. If adult obesity were random, then it would be easier to accept your argument.

“It is how much you eat, not what you eat that is the gigantic tug depending upon your goal.”
It’s both. And many kids aren’t taught the first thing about nutrition with respect to proper quality or quantity.

“Find me the members of concentration camps who had fat parents.”
I have no idea what you’re getting at here.

“This same argument is used to ban things.”
Who said anything about banning things?

“to say that they don’t know and are not responsible is the ultimate fallacy.”
Yes, you’re right. Everyone should come to their senses and get their life together. Infants who come out of the womb addicted to crack? Idiots. Kids whose parents are drunk every day of their childhood? Worthless. Never seen a grocery store? Slob.

“I’m sorry but history and concrete facts are on my side not yours.”
That’s amazing, because you haven’t cited any.

“You and Andre can avoid the mirror”
I can’t avoid the mirror. I’m too fat

“In reality that is not the case”
“It is plain false and a dangerous one to hold.”
People who constantly say that “the facts are on their side” are usually the ones who can’t provide any.

There is ignorance in some of your statements. Not everything is as black and white as you make it out to be.

I get up some mornings and work out at 5am. There is a guy at the gym that I see everytime I go – meaning he is there way more than me. I’ve seen him there for the last 5-6 years. He works out hard for at least 45 minutes. Sometimes it’s weights, sometimes aerobic (elliptical, treadmill). He’s 5-8 and about 230.

He’s obese, and yet he works out damn near everyday at 5 a.m. Clearly he isn’t lazy. Clearly he does care.

I’m not questioning laws of energy conservation. People metabolize at different rates for a number of different reasons. I don’t know what he eats, but just think how big he’d be if he didn’t work out as much as he does.

I will say that I want him to play well and help us, so whatever maximizes our chances of being World Series Champs is what I would advocate.

Are you living in a fantasy land sir? Do you know the law of conservation of energy – energy cannot be created or destroyed? calories in-calories out is the major tug for weight gain/loss, THAT is a FACT

I don’t care if obesity correlates with being an Obama fan or looking at the sky or getting licked by a cat. Sooner or later a person is (AND SHOULD BE) responsible for their actions. Here in the US of A that is 18. If you think you can blame the parents while their kids and the habits they instill and they are developing sure you can. But even then only to some extent. If the kid starts stuffing his face and continues until he is 30 are you still blaming the parents?

Also what is wrong with McDonalds? It is how much you eat, not what you eat that is the gigantic tug depending upon your goal.

Find me the members of concentration camps who had fat parents. Oh wait… Or fat bodybuilders? Or fat anorexics? Or fat sprinters? Or fat people who actually care?

This is a big problem in this country. This same argument is used to ban things. Lets ban guns. Oh wait it is people who pull the trigger. Lets ban alcohol, oh wait we tried that and it failed. Lets ban fast food or tax it to death. Lets ban smoking. Look, if the person is hurting himself/herself, they know at some level they are doing it and that they are responsible for themselves and have to suffer the consequences. If they are only hurting themselves they should be allowed to do so, but to say that they don’t know and are not responsible is the ultimate fallacy.

I’m sorry but history and concrete facts are on my side not yours. You and Andre can avoid the mirror and continue to blame someone/something else, believing that all these poor people are victims. In reality that is not the case and you don’t live there. I can’t argue with YOUR ignorance.

To be honest I’d like to come right out and say that the view you hold is one that is full of $***. It is plain false and a dangerous one to hold.

For nearly every person you can simplify it down to either apathy or a lack of action. People who want it, don’t stay fat, pure and simple.

Really? What’s your evidence of this?

“Cabreras behavior is an affront to the team, to Jim Leyland, Dave D., Mr. Illitch”

I think those individuals are capable of making that determination.

Not buying it.

He just needs to lay off the sauce in October. Should probably go ahead and make that team rule. Wouldn’t think it would even need to be said, but apparently it does.