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		<title>By: Drygrouri</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/10/comerica-is-not-doubles-friendly/#comment-135097</link>
		<dc:creator>Drygrouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very Recently, there has been a good deal of investigation by the 
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FTC against blogs and website promoters<br />
for not stating   advertising revenue, or existing<br />
relationships with ad networks.</p>
<p>What are your personal thoughts concerning how this could potentially impact<br />
the blog community?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/10/comerica-is-not-doubles-friendly/#comment-135048</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting:



http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2009/07/26/sports/srv0000005942702.txt

Not sure if this will end up being a link, but the article makes it very clear that after the alterations were done to the outfield, the park is no longer considered a pitcher&#039;s park.  Also, there were alot more doubles and triples hit in the first 3 years of the CoPa&#039;s existence, before they messed around with the outfield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2009/07/26/sports/srv0000005942702.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytribune.com/ar.....942702.txt</a></p>
<p>Not sure if this will end up being a link, but the article makes it very clear that after the alterations were done to the outfield, the park is no longer considered a pitcher&#8217;s park.  Also, there were alot more doubles and triples hit in the first 3 years of the CoPa&#8217;s existence, before they messed around with the outfield.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/10/comerica-is-not-doubles-friendly/#comment-135041</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, but no thanks, for the waterfall &quot;art&quot;.  However, my  son would probably love it!  

Referring back to the shrewd shopper conversation, I &#039;m a person with champagne taste, but a beer budget.  That&#039;s the mindset I&#039;m coming from.  Since billfer doesn&#039;t like analogies, I won&#039;t talk about that here.  Your use of the word &quot;SMARTER&quot; is the operative word here and that&#039;s what the Tiger&#039;s organization needs more of.  The Yankees have a 24k gold lineup.  Who wouldn&#039;t want that?  I love Cadillacs and Bentley&#039;s, but drive a 19 year old Toyota.  It&#039;s worth it&#039;s weight in gold.  I&#039;d trust it to take me anywhere. 

 It doesn&#039;t have to cost you $200 million dollars  to get you where you want to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but no thanks, for the waterfall &#8220;art&#8221;.  However, my  son would probably love it!  </p>
<p>Referring back to the shrewd shopper conversation, I &#8216;m a person with champagne taste, but a beer budget.  That&#8217;s the mindset I&#8217;m coming from.  Since billfer doesn&#8217;t like analogies, I won&#8217;t talk about that here.  Your use of the word &#8220;SMARTER&#8221; is the operative word here and that&#8217;s what the Tiger&#8217;s organization needs more of.  The Yankees have a 24k gold lineup.  Who wouldn&#8217;t want that?  I love Cadillacs and Bentley&#8217;s, but drive a 19 year old Toyota.  It&#8217;s worth it&#8217;s weight in gold.  I&#8217;d trust it to take me anywhere. </p>
<p> It doesn&#8217;t have to cost you $200 million dollars  to get you where you want to go.</p>
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		<title>By: TSE</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/10/comerica-is-not-doubles-friendly/#comment-135040</link>
		<dc:creator>TSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the Yankees are an exception in how much they spend, we wouldn&#039;t be likely to spend within their range.  And our team doesn&#039;t manage money well or gameday tactics.  In order to win at baseball with spending a lot less money, you need to be really smart about it.  Bottom line though, whether we spend more money or less money, we need to be SMARTER.  That isn&#039;t going to change no matter how much we spend.  I just prefer encouragement to spend more, so that when we do get around to being smarter, we have more overall resources to magnify our potential.

And sorry don&#039;t have any art currently, it&#039;s pretty rare that people buy that kind of stuff for me anymore.  I&#039;m not the kind of gift recipient that pretends every gift is good, so in the past if somebody bought me a picture frame or not and asked me if I liked it, I would typically say yeah it&#039;s nice but I don&#039;t hang stuff up so I probably won&#039;t use it.  I&#039;m very blunt and honest.   ;)

I actually do have one piece I forgot about in my garage.  It&#039;s a huge picture with a waterfall background that is electronic where there is a light roller that makes the water look like it&#039;s moving.  You can have that if you want. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the Yankees are an exception in how much they spend, we wouldn&#8217;t be likely to spend within their range.  And our team doesn&#8217;t manage money well or gameday tactics.  In order to win at baseball with spending a lot less money, you need to be really smart about it.  Bottom line though, whether we spend more money or less money, we need to be SMARTER.  That isn&#8217;t going to change no matter how much we spend.  I just prefer encouragement to spend more, so that when we do get around to being smarter, we have more overall resources to magnify our potential.</p>
<p>And sorry don&#8217;t have any art currently, it&#8217;s pretty rare that people buy that kind of stuff for me anymore.  I&#8217;m not the kind of gift recipient that pretends every gift is good, so in the past if somebody bought me a picture frame or not and asked me if I liked it, I would typically say yeah it&#8217;s nice but I don&#8217;t hang stuff up so I probably won&#8217;t use it.  I&#8217;m very blunt and honest.   <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I actually do have one piece I forgot about in my garage.  It&#8217;s a huge picture with a waterfall background that is electronic where there is a light roller that makes the water look like it&#8217;s moving.  You can have that if you want. <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lee Panas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Panas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billfer&#039;s methodology is valid.  Comerica has not been a good doubles park the last five years.  I&#039;d like to see the Comerica Park factor for doubles and triples combined though.  As one other person pointed out, the large number of triples in Comerica is likely reducing their doubles total.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billfer&#8217;s methodology is valid.  Comerica has not been a good doubles park the last five years.  I&#8217;d like to see the Comerica Park factor for doubles and triples combined though.  As one other person pointed out, the large number of triples in Comerica is likely reducing their doubles total.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, that was the classic &quot;Juan Gone&quot; who wanted the fences moved in.  It didn&#039;t help that much (him, I mean;  opposing players seemed to take advantage of it), then he ran off to Cleveland.

Imagine where the fence would be if they had moved it in for Brad Ausmus instead.  Although fans supposedly love lots of home runs, and there would be plenty of room for lots of extra seats for all those extra fans once they moved the fence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that was the classic &#8220;Juan Gone&#8221; who wanted the fences moved in.  It didn&#8217;t help that much (him, I mean;  opposing players seemed to take advantage of it), then he ran off to Cleveland.</p>
<p>Imagine where the fence would be if they had moved it in for Brad Ausmus instead.  Although fans supposedly love lots of home runs, and there would be plenty of room for lots of extra seats for all those extra fans once they moved the fence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to go off-topic</description>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I believe they moved the bullpen out there and built more seats because it just wasn&#039;t homerun friendly enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I believe they moved the bullpen out there and built more seats because it just wasn&#8217;t homerun friendly enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s where we disagree a bit.  I want the Phillies to win, precisely because it will detract from the thinking that if you spend the most, the best team will win.  Like I said before, more money makes it easier, but you can still get excellent results with less.  And you have NO art on your walls?  Hey, if you don&#039;t want them, send them to me.  I love art.  As I sit here at my computer I have 2 pictures in front of me:  #30 at homeplate just as he hit the walkoff homer to send us to the world series and a nice autogrpahed photo of Grandy which he sent me for donating to his foundation.  I look at them every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s where we disagree a bit.  I want the Phillies to win, precisely because it will detract from the thinking that if you spend the most, the best team will win.  Like I said before, more money makes it easier, but you can still get excellent results with less.  And you have NO art on your walls?  Hey, if you don&#8217;t want them, send them to me.  I love art.  As I sit here at my computer I have 2 pictures in front of me:  #30 at homeplate just as he hit the walkoff homer to send us to the world series and a nice autogrpahed photo of Grandy which he sent me for donating to his foundation.  I look at them every day.</p>
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		<title>By: TSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m rooting for the Yankees.  

My reasoning is because I want the Yankees to really stick it to the Tigers and further solidify themselves as an icon that symbolizes the best team in baseball history.  I think they deserve it, because they do things the right way.  They spend money to gain an advantage, and they don&#039;t squander their resources, and that has helped them over time to grow revenues to help cover their aggressive spending.

I hope that the Yankees success serves as a catalyst to provoke change in Detroit.  There would be less of an impact if the Phillies won, because they are in the Nat&#039;l League and it would validate an excuse to spend money which we need more encouragement to spend money rather than to chicken out.  If you want to seriously compete in baseball by spending less money, you better bring it with your GMs and your coaches and managers, or you have no shot, and we aren&#039;t set up well in that area.  

I&#039;m only 30 years old, so I&#039;ve spent my entire lifetime watching lousy Tiger&#039;s baseball, absolutely pathetic fundamentals of baseball in every aspect of the game.  We have ALWAYS had bad coaching, and bad GMs, and bad managers.  We can&#039;t run the basepaths correctly, we can&#039;t decide when to PH correctly, or PS, or fielding shifts, or when to bunt or not to bunt, or when to steal.  We don&#039;t know how to shop for FAs and evaluate the best bargains, and we don&#039;t know how to strategically trade players when their perceived stock is higher than their present/future value to our team.  And frankly, I&#039;m sick of it, and I&#039;m not happy about it.  Although I will still watch every single game next year, as I won&#039;t quit on my hope that we can defy the statistical odds against us, and I&#039;m addicted to baseball like a drug. ;)

I hope that the Yankees winning gives SOME small bit of extra motivation to encourage Mr. Ilitch to aspire to one day be the best example of a baseball team and to start taking away from the Yankee&#039;s status.  Let&#039;s hope the Yankees win to give us a loftier target to shoot for, and hope Mr. Ilitch will subsequently determine that we need to audit our philosophies as a team, and improve ALL areas of the game, from the management of the roster all the way down to every facet and element of the gameday tactical decisions, which we currently underachieve at in ALL AREAS with very disappointing deficiencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m rooting for the Yankees.  </p>
<p>My reasoning is because I want the Yankees to really stick it to the Tigers and further solidify themselves as an icon that symbolizes the best team in baseball history.  I think they deserve it, because they do things the right way.  They spend money to gain an advantage, and they don&#8217;t squander their resources, and that has helped them over time to grow revenues to help cover their aggressive spending.</p>
<p>I hope that the Yankees success serves as a catalyst to provoke change in Detroit.  There would be less of an impact if the Phillies won, because they are in the Nat&#8217;l League and it would validate an excuse to spend money which we need more encouragement to spend money rather than to chicken out.  If you want to seriously compete in baseball by spending less money, you better bring it with your GMs and your coaches and managers, or you have no shot, and we aren&#8217;t set up well in that area.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m only 30 years old, so I&#8217;ve spent my entire lifetime watching lousy Tiger&#8217;s baseball, absolutely pathetic fundamentals of baseball in every aspect of the game.  We have ALWAYS had bad coaching, and bad GMs, and bad managers.  We can&#8217;t run the basepaths correctly, we can&#8217;t decide when to PH correctly, or PS, or fielding shifts, or when to bunt or not to bunt, or when to steal.  We don&#8217;t know how to shop for FAs and evaluate the best bargains, and we don&#8217;t know how to strategically trade players when their perceived stock is higher than their present/future value to our team.  And frankly, I&#8217;m sick of it, and I&#8217;m not happy about it.  Although I will still watch every single game next year, as I won&#8217;t quit on my hope that we can defy the statistical odds against us, and I&#8217;m addicted to baseball like a drug. <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope that the Yankees winning gives SOME small bit of extra motivation to encourage Mr. Ilitch to aspire to one day be the best example of a baseball team and to start taking away from the Yankee&#8217;s status.  Let&#8217;s hope the Yankees win to give us a loftier target to shoot for, and hope Mr. Ilitch will subsequently determine that we need to audit our philosophies as a team, and improve ALL areas of the game, from the management of the roster all the way down to every facet and element of the gameday tactical decisions, which we currently underachieve at in ALL AREAS with very disappointing deficiencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey in Portland OR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey in Portland OR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic but who is everyone rooting for?  Phils, Yanks or Don&#039;t give a rip?

I&quot;m pulling for the Phillies.
Great game by Lee tonight too bad we didn&#039;t get him instead of Washburn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic but who is everyone rooting for?  Phils, Yanks or Don&#8217;t give a rip?</p>
<p>I&#8221;m pulling for the Phillies.<br />
Great game by Lee tonight too bad we didn&#8217;t get him instead of Washburn!</p>
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		<title>By: George Houchens</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Houchens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when Comerica was first opened, wasn&#039;t there some hullabaloo about the depth of the outfield fences?  I recall the free agent (Juan Gonzalez?) the Tigers bought for big bucks back then was not happy about the difficulty of hitting home runs in Comerica.  So weren&#039;t the fences brought in about 20 feet or so to appease this guy and other big hitters?  Is this part of the reason why doubles are less frequent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when Comerica was first opened, wasn&#8217;t there some hullabaloo about the depth of the outfield fences?  I recall the free agent (Juan Gonzalez?) the Tigers bought for big bucks back then was not happy about the difficulty of hitting home runs in Comerica.  So weren&#8217;t the fences brought in about 20 feet or so to appease this guy and other big hitters?  Is this part of the reason why doubles are less frequent?</p>
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		<title>By: TSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well those are questions that would require an exploration of the data of the different players we had in those years, as well as some of the other detailed items of data relating to the other parks.  

This one chart here isn&#039;t enough to adequately explore the topic of whether Comerica park is doubles friendly or not, and form a conclusive opinion in that regard.

The data sure supports the case that it is NOT doubles friendly, but it isn&#039;t thoroughly convincing without other data and other angles explored and delved into.  If I had to guess, I would guess Comerica park IS NOT friendly for doubles, but I can&#039;t be sure based upon this chart alone, which ultimately means that DD may or may not be right when he makes that claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well those are questions that would require an exploration of the data of the different players we had in those years, as well as some of the other detailed items of data relating to the other parks.  </p>
<p>This one chart here isn&#8217;t enough to adequately explore the topic of whether Comerica park is doubles friendly or not, and form a conclusive opinion in that regard.</p>
<p>The data sure supports the case that it is NOT doubles friendly, but it isn&#8217;t thoroughly convincing without other data and other angles explored and delved into.  If I had to guess, I would guess Comerica park IS NOT friendly for doubles, but I can&#8217;t be sure based upon this chart alone, which ultimately means that DD may or may not be right when he makes that claim.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But they haven&#039;t always had bad doubles teams over those 5 years. And even then, what does that have to do with hitting more doubles on the road than at home? Wouldn&#039;t those same principles apply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But they haven&#8217;t always had bad doubles teams over those 5 years. And even then, what does that have to do with hitting more doubles on the road than at home? Wouldn&#8217;t those same principles apply?</p>
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		<title>By: TSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to do with doubles because those players are not contributing their fair share by not being good hitters.  My point is that they don&#039;t have the home run type of power that guys like Cabrera and Inge (as examples) do, to the point that those shots that don&#039;t make it out can land in gaps for doubles.  Laird and Everett don&#039;t get the benefit of failed HRs in other words, and that skews our total down some.  So it does not help promote high double counts at Comerica park when a portion of players aren&#039;t hitting enough doubles that they could be hitting if they weren&#039;t substandard players.  

And I said in my post specifically that Laird and Everett applied ONLY to this year, with a different set of players contributing poorly in the previous years that are along the same lines of substandard doubles-capable hitters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has to do with doubles because those players are not contributing their fair share by not being good hitters.  My point is that they don&#8217;t have the home run type of power that guys like Cabrera and Inge (as examples) do, to the point that those shots that don&#8217;t make it out can land in gaps for doubles.  Laird and Everett don&#8217;t get the benefit of failed HRs in other words, and that skews our total down some.  So it does not help promote high double counts at Comerica park when a portion of players aren&#8217;t hitting enough doubles that they could be hitting if they weren&#8217;t substandard players.  </p>
<p>And I said in my post specifically that Laird and Everett applied ONLY to this year, with a different set of players contributing poorly in the previous years that are along the same lines of substandard doubles-capable hitters.</p>
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