Comments on: Nate Robertson to start Saturday http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: colin http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128755 colin Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:58:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128755 Oh hey what's up Stephen Oh hey what’s up Stephen

]]> By: Jeff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128754 Jeff Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:40:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128754 I think the best option is to hold on to him as long as you can't get anything for him, but not on the major league roster. keep him in toledo as long as possible next year, either rehabbing an "injury" or otherwise, and the first moment he starts to show signs of being a major league pitcher, flip him for salary relief. I think the best option is to hold on to him as long as you can’t get anything for him, but not on the major league roster. keep him in toledo as long as possible next year, either rehabbing an “injury” or otherwise, and the first moment he starts to show signs of being a major league pitcher, flip him for salary relief.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128753 Stephen Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:23:34 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128753 I don't think you guys fully understand. Willis has literally less than no value. He's pitched 57 innings over the past two years and has allowed 130(!) baserunners. That literally may be the worst 50 plus inning stretch in the majors in my lifetime. His ERA has been over eight and he's 1-6. I doubt anyone would agree to take on his salary even if the Tigers assumed 95% of next year. They will keep him and then release him in spring training barring some miraculous turnaround. Could he recover and pitch well for another team somewhere down the line, like 2011 or 2012? Sure, that's the nature of baseball and pitching, but the team can't afford to carry him next year. I don’t think you guys fully understand. Willis has literally less than no value.

He’s pitched 57 innings over the past two years and has allowed 130(!) baserunners.

That literally may be the worst 50 plus inning stretch in the majors in my lifetime. His ERA has been over eight and he’s 1-6. I doubt anyone would agree to take on his salary even if the Tigers assumed 95% of next year. They will keep him and then release him in spring training barring some miraculous turnaround.

Could he recover and pitch well for another team somewhere down the line, like 2011 or 2012? Sure, that’s the nature of baseball and pitching, but the team can’t afford to carry him next year.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128747 Kathy Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:02:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128747 No, they just can't give him away for nothing. The Tigers' organization is featuring ads about Dontrelle's charity work in Detroit. Maybe he pitches again, maybe not. Never say never. No, they just can’t give him away for nothing. The Tigers’ organization is featuring ads about Dontrelle’s charity work in Detroit. Maybe he pitches again, maybe not. Never say never.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128745 Jeff Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:36:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128745 I agree that you don't give him away for nothing AND eat his whole salary, but if you can get anything in return and/or any salary relief, you have to do it. He's almost certainly to not going to contribute next year. To cite one game is silly. Any pitcher in the major leagues or AAA is capable of throwing 6 innings of 1-hit ball once every 2 years. I agree that you don’t give him away for nothing AND eat his whole salary, but if you can get anything in return and/or any salary relief, you have to do it. He’s almost certainly to not going to contribute next year.

To cite one game is silly. Any pitcher in the major leagues or AAA is capable of throwing 6 innings of 1-hit ball once every 2 years.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128743 Keith (Mr. X) Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:17:34 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128743 Here's a little reminder about D-Train . http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=290519106 He had 1 hitter over 6 innings on May 18th. That was just over 3 months ago. He was throwing some pretty filthy stuff that game and had good composure. Next year, I think it would be more disastrous to our franchise to see him pitching with another club while we are still paying him. That's why you don't let guys like him go. It would be Jair Jurrjens x2 kind of bad. Here’s a little reminder about D-Train .
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=290519106
He had 1 hitter over 6 innings on May 18th. That was just over 3 months ago. He was throwing some pretty filthy stuff that game and had good composure.

Next year, I think it would be more disastrous to our franchise to see him pitching with another club while we are still paying him. That’s why you don’t let guys like him go. It would be Jair Jurrjens x2 kind of bad.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128738 Jeff Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:27:09 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128738 They should, but they won't. What makes you think DD will do that? They'll probably be penciled into the rotation in spring training. They should, but they won’t. What makes you think DD will do that? They’ll probably be penciled into the rotation in spring training.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128737 Stephen Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:22:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128737 They are going somewhere Mr. X. Neither will be on the team next year. The Tigers will eat their contracts. That's how badly they suck. They are going somewhere Mr. X. Neither will be on the team next year. The Tigers will eat their contracts. That’s how badly they suck.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128735 David Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:56:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128735 Optimist v. Pessimist Who will win? You decide Either way, Nate "the not so Guuuuuuuuuurate" is going on Saturday, so lets call the whole thing off. He is 0-3 vs the Rays with a 5.18 ERA in 24.3 IP with a .330 BA against http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7014/splits;_ylt=Ap_x5Tg1ez8ziIKN1JIIWdKFCLcF?year=career&type=Pitching I've got tickets for that day, lucky me! Then again Jason Bartlet (Mr. .344) is 0-22 lifetime against him! Optimist v. Pessimist
Who will win? You decide

Either way, Nate “the not so Guuuuuuuuuurate” is going on Saturday, so lets call the whole thing off.

He is 0-3 vs the Rays with a 5.18 ERA in 24.3 IP with a .330 BA against
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....e=Pitching

I’ve got tickets for that day, lucky me!

Then again Jason Bartlet (Mr. .344) is 0-22 lifetime against him!

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128733 Keith (Mr. X) Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:01:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128733 They are both signed through 2010, so they ain't going anywhere soon. I could make a pretty nice rotation with nothing but former castaways. Chris Carpenter, Joel Pineiro, Randy Wolf, Ryan Dempster, and I'll even throw Carl Pavano at you. Verlander of all people is having a huge bounce back season. Many of you were ready to throw him in the dumpster after his slow April. Here's some of this years junk, but probably next years treasure- Daisuke Matsuzaka, Scott Kazmir, Brandon Webb, and Francisco Liriano They are both signed through 2010, so they ain’t going anywhere soon.

I could make a pretty nice rotation with nothing but former castaways. Chris Carpenter, Joel Pineiro, Randy Wolf, Ryan Dempster, and I’ll even throw Carl Pavano at you.

Verlander of all people is having a huge bounce back season. Many of you were ready to throw him in the dumpster after his slow April.

Here’s some of this years junk, but probably next years treasure-
Daisuke Matsuzaka, Scott Kazmir, Brandon Webb, and Francisco Liriano

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128730 Stephen Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:20:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128730 Mr. X, time has already been told on Dontrelle '1 win for 20m' Willis and Nate 'I didn't think it was necessary to get it shape' Robertson. Saying 'time will tell' would be like FDR saying in late 1941 'time will tell whether Japan has expansionist interests in Asia.' Mr. X, time has already been told on Dontrelle ‘1 win for 20m’ Willis and Nate ‘I didn’t think it was necessary to get it shape’ Robertson. Saying ‘time will tell’ would be like FDR saying in late 1941 ‘time will tell whether Japan has expansionist interests in Asia.’

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128726 Keith (Mr. X) Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:08:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128726 I hope Nate and Willis bounce back as Tigers. I'm not the kind of person who will gladly throw away multi-million dollar investments especially when decent pitching is hard to come by. Only time will tell. I hope Nate and Willis bounce back as Tigers. I’m not the kind of person who will gladly throw away multi-million dollar investments especially when decent pitching is hard to come by.

Only time will tell.

]]> By: Andrew in Toronto http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128725 Andrew in Toronto Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:34:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128725 I was one of the fans who was ready to quit on Nate. He was horrible all season last year and we kept putting him out there. This spring training he made remarks, if I remember right, complaining about how he was being treated... apparently forgetting he was the worst started in MLB last year. But... given how much Galarraga has struggled, and given Robertson's recent success in Toledo, I think it's worth a try. We're not really throwing the game away. Well, I hope not, anyway. If he fails badly on Saturday, we can't keep plugging him into the rotation like we did all last year. I was one of the fans who was ready to quit on Nate. He was horrible all season last year and we kept putting him out there.

This spring training he made remarks, if I remember right, complaining about how he was being treated… apparently forgetting he was the worst started in MLB last year.

But… given how much Galarraga has struggled, and given Robertson’s recent success in Toledo, I think it’s worth a try. We’re not really throwing the game away.

Well, I hope not, anyway. If he fails badly on Saturday, we can’t keep plugging him into the rotation like we did all last year.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128724 Jeff Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:07:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128724 Jerry, I agree with everything you said. It's embarrassing that we need Nate Robertson to be making starts in a pennant race. Jerry,
I agree with everything you said. It’s embarrassing that we need Nate Robertson to be making starts in a pennant race.

]]> By: Jerry the Tiger Fan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/nate-robertson-to-start-saturday/#comment-128723 Jerry the Tiger Fan Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:32:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=5036#comment-128723 The point is that what he did from 2004-2007 has little relevance to what he can do in 2009 for the Tigers. He has been a poor major league pitcher for quite some time now (all of last year and this year). His most recent indicators are that he is done as a serviceable major league pitcher. At least I know that Bonine will not "be out of shape with a beer gut and a double chin". What a dedicated professional Nate must be to let himself get like that right after signing a three year deal. I've seen enough of Nate the last 1.5 years to know that I don't need to see any more from him. Same goes for Willis. The quicker both of these guys are out of the Tiger's organization the better. They are both awful pitchers who's best days are three years in the rearview mirror. Don't be surprised when Tampa kicks our asses on Saturday behind another stellar Nate Robertson effort. I can't believe DD and Ol' Smoky are throwing this game away like that in a pennant race. Lovely. The point is that what he did from 2004-2007 has little relevance to what he can do in 2009 for the Tigers. He has been a poor major league pitcher for quite some time now (all of last year and this year). His most recent indicators are that he is done as a serviceable major league pitcher. At least I know that Bonine will not “be out of shape with a beer gut and a double chin”. What a dedicated professional Nate must be to let himself get like that right after signing a three year deal. I’ve seen enough of Nate the last 1.5 years to know that I don’t need to see any more from him. Same goes for Willis. The quicker both of these guys are out of the Tiger’s organization the better. They are both awful pitchers who’s best days are three years in the rearview mirror. Don’t be surprised when Tampa kicks our asses on Saturday behind another stellar Nate Robertson effort. I can’t believe DD and Ol’ Smoky are throwing this game away like that in a pennant race. Lovely.

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