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	<title>Comments on: Game 2009.128: Rays at Tigers</title>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/game-2009-128-rays-at-tigers/#comment-128914</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about this team.  At this point, I believe Jim Leland needs to get runs anyway he can right from the get go.  I certainly, for one, don&#039;t assume we&#039;ll hit our way to a victory.  I&#039;d bunt from the get go and bunt often.  I just wish some of our guys could run faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about this team.  At this point, I believe Jim Leland needs to get runs anyway he can right from the get go.  I certainly, for one, don&#8217;t assume we&#8217;ll hit our way to a victory.  I&#8217;d bunt from the get go and bunt often.  I just wish some of our guys could run faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Jud</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/game-2009-128-rays-at-tigers/#comment-128911</link>
		<dc:creator>Jud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38 games with 2 runs or less ....it just goes on and on and on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38 games with 2 runs or less &#8230;.it just goes on and on and on</p>
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		<title>By: Keith (Mr. X)</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/game-2009-128-rays-at-tigers/#comment-128903</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith (Mr. X)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tigers had more runs and hits than the White Sox and Twins combined.  The White Sox got 1 hit and 0 runs, while the Twins got 4 hits and 0 runs.  LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tigers had more runs and hits than the White Sox and Twins combined.  The White Sox got 1 hit and 0 runs, while the Twins got 4 hits and 0 runs.  LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff (the other one) is correct. Mike, you&#039;re also correct.

The problem is you shouldn&#039;t be playing for one run in the 3rd inning. You&#039;re increasing your chances of scoring a run, but you&#039;re significantly decreasing your chances of a big inning.

Of course, these general points are being made in a vacuum. The decision was even more egregious considering Granderson was up next facing Price.  To give everyone some perspective, that&#039;s not a whole lot dumber than an NL team having the 8 hitter bunt with the pitcher up next.  Of course, I wouldn&#039;t expect a person with the intelligence to bat a guy with a .509 OPS vs. lefties in the leadoff spot to be able to understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff (the other one) is correct. Mike, you&#8217;re also correct.</p>
<p>The problem is you shouldn&#8217;t be playing for one run in the 3rd inning. You&#8217;re increasing your chances of scoring a run, but you&#8217;re significantly decreasing your chances of a big inning.</p>
<p>Of course, these general points are being made in a vacuum. The decision was even more egregious considering Granderson was up next facing Price.  To give everyone some perspective, that&#8217;s not a whole lot dumber than an NL team having the 8 hitter bunt with the pitcher up next.  Of course, I wouldn&#8217;t expect a person with the intelligence to bat a guy with a .509 OPS vs. lefties in the leadoff spot to be able to understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the other one)</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/08/game-2009-128-rays-at-tigers/#comment-128898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on the situation.  The chance of scoring at least one run for the *average* hitter, man on first, nobody out, decreases when you bunt.  And that assumes 100% success on a bunt.  And the average number of runs scored, as you note, decreases as well.  That&#039;s why bunting a guy over from 1st to 2nd when an *average or above average hitter* is at the plate is NOT a good one-run strategy.

Of course this is different when you have a below average hitter (pitcher, Sardinha, Everett) at the plate.

Now the 1st and 2nd, nobody out situation, the chances of scoring at least one run slightly increase when you bunt successfully (again, assuming 100% success, and, on the other hand, no throwing errors).  But again, the average number of runs scored decreases.

So as a late inning one-run strategy, a bunt makes sense for a bunting-type hitter when it&#039;s 1st/2nd, nobody out.  If it&#039;s Cabrera at the plate, it makes no sense.  If it&#039;s tie game, man on first, nobody out, 7th inning, Laird up, I&#039;d think about it.  If it&#039;s Thames at the plate, no way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on the situation.  The chance of scoring at least one run for the *average* hitter, man on first, nobody out, decreases when you bunt.  And that assumes 100% success on a bunt.  And the average number of runs scored, as you note, decreases as well.  That&#8217;s why bunting a guy over from 1st to 2nd when an *average or above average hitter* is at the plate is NOT a good one-run strategy.</p>
<p>Of course this is different when you have a below average hitter (pitcher, Sardinha, Everett) at the plate.</p>
<p>Now the 1st and 2nd, nobody out situation, the chances of scoring at least one run slightly increase when you bunt successfully (again, assuming 100% success, and, on the other hand, no throwing errors).  But again, the average number of runs scored decreases.</p>
<p>So as a late inning one-run strategy, a bunt makes sense for a bunting-type hitter when it&#8217;s 1st/2nd, nobody out.  If it&#8217;s Cabrera at the plate, it makes no sense.  If it&#8217;s tie game, man on first, nobody out, 7th inning, Laird up, I&#8217;d think about it.  If it&#8217;s Thames at the plate, no way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the number of runs scored after a bunt declines, but the chances of scoring any runs increases.  I&#039;ll be looking through my old Bill James Baseball abstracts tonight to get the exact data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the number of runs scored after a bunt declines, but the chances of scoring any runs increases.  I&#8217;ll be looking through my old Bill James Baseball abstracts tonight to get the exact data.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith (Mr. X)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith (Mr. X)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate pitched good.  Miner pitched well also.  I sure am glad we didn&#039;t give up on those guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate pitched good.  Miner pitched well also.  I sure am glad we didn&#8217;t give up on those guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad. I was just looking at the gamecast.

Bunting leads to fewer runs than swinging away. So it&#039;s especially bad when your hitter who is least likely to do something positive is coming up next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad. I was just looking at the gamecast.</p>
<p>Bunting leads to fewer runs than swinging away. So it&#8217;s especially bad when your hitter who is least likely to do something positive is coming up next.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the other one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  Would you have Cabrera bunt in a 1st/2nd nobody out situation in the 1st inning of a 0-0 game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  Would you have Cabrera bunt in a 1st/2nd nobody out situation in the 1st inning of a 0-0 game?</p>
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		<title>By: Mith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn&#039;t have Laird bunt.  He was clearly bunting for a hit.

As for Everett, I will never fault moving guys to 2nd and 3rd with one out in a close game.  It&#039;s a smart play, but it obviously didn&#039;t work this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t have Laird bunt.  He was clearly bunting for a hit.</p>
<p>As for Everett, I will never fault moving guys to 2nd and 3rd with one out in a close game.  It&#8217;s a smart play, but it obviously didn&#8217;t work this time.</p>
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		<title>By: ouchudied</title>
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		<dc:creator>ouchudied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Game James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Game James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes there&#039;s a fine line between prophetic and voicing reason from experience.

Either way, nice call Coleman. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes there&#8217;s a fine line between prophetic and voicing reason from experience.</p>
<p>Either way, nice call Coleman. <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having Laird and Everett bunt in the 3rd inning are two ill-advised moves in themselves. But to compound the foolishness by doing it ahead of the hitter in your lineup least likely to succeed (Granderson)? Unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having Laird and Everett bunt in the 3rd inning are two ill-advised moves in themselves. But to compound the foolishness by doing it ahead of the hitter in your lineup least likely to succeed (Granderson)? Unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: ouchudied</title>
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		<dc:creator>ouchudied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats about the only way Granderson is going to get a hit off of a lefty. I hope he tries to steal a bag here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats about the only way Granderson is going to get a hit off of a lefty. I hope he tries to steal a bag here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Leyland is a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Leyland is a fool.</p>
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