Comments on: Tigers get Washburn http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kevin in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125297 Kevin in Dallas Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:10:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125297 This is why you have a farm system. We just traded a guy that started the year outside our top 30 prospects, a guy who has 5 career starts, for a guy with 292 career starts, in the midst of arguably his best year with a 1.29 career whip. And people are complaining? I LOVE the deal. This is why you have a farm system. We just traded a guy that started the year outside our top 30 prospects, a guy who has 5 career starts, for a guy with 292 career starts, in the midst of arguably his best year with a 1.29 career whip. And people are complaining? I LOVE the deal.

]]> By: Kevin in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125290 Kevin in Dallas Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:01:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125290 under under

]]> By: RPS http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125215 RPS Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:04:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125215 But it wasn't that bad. No one expected Edwin to be this far above league average. At the same time, how high a ceiling does Matt Joyce really have? I don't ever see him as more than a 2 or 3 WAR guy. It's a mistake to have that firm line between who is a prospect and who is a finished product. A couple years of MLB experience never mean that a 25 or 26 year old can't break through. In this situation, I don't think a slightly below average starter with the stuff to be a lot more was a bad gamble for the price. On Washburn, the major advantages are that : A) We have a good idea what his ceiling and floor look like. We have no idea what French's current floor looks like. With Galarraga and Porcello in the rotation, a little more certainty is nice. B) Right now, Washburn is going to go much deeper into games and keep innings out of the bullpen, which, while adequate, is not a strength. Certainly, he's due for regression. His HR/FB is like 6% or so, right? A WHIP around 1.30 or 1.35 is still nothing to sneeze at. I'm not crazy about this trade. I don't hate it either. Stats are good. Take Cameron's writings with a grain of salt. Washburn was clearly a fan-unfavorite in Seattle. No matter how rational you try to be, that's gonna creep in. But it wasn’t that bad. No one expected Edwin to be this far above league average. At the same time, how high a ceiling does Matt Joyce really have? I don’t ever see him as more than a 2 or 3 WAR guy. It’s a mistake to have that firm line between who is a prospect and who is a finished product. A couple years of MLB experience never mean that a 25 or 26 year old can’t break through. In this situation, I don’t think a slightly below average starter with the stuff to be a lot more was a bad gamble for the price.

On Washburn, the major advantages are that :

A) We have a good idea what his ceiling and floor look like. We have no idea what French’s current floor looks like. With Galarraga and Porcello in the rotation, a little more certainty is nice.

B) Right now, Washburn is going to go much deeper into games and keep innings out of the bullpen, which, while adequate, is not a strength.

Certainly, he’s due for regression. His HR/FB is like 6% or so, right? A WHIP around 1.30 or 1.35 is still nothing to sneeze at.

I’m not crazy about this trade. I don’t hate it either. Stats are good. Take Cameron’s writings with a grain of salt. Washburn was clearly a fan-unfavorite in Seattle. No matter how rational you try to be, that’s gonna creep in.

]]> By: Crickets in Kansas City, Rest of AL Central Busy | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125214 Crickets in Kansas City, Rest of AL Central Busy | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:04:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125214 [...] The Detroit Tigers acquired LHP-Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners in exchange for LHP-Luke French and LHP-Mauricio Robles.  For some quick reactions, click here and here. [...] [...] The Detroit Tigers acquired LHP-Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners in exchange for LHP-Luke French and LHP-Mauricio Robles.  For some quick reactions, click here and here. [...]

]]> By: Skip http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125213 Skip Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:03:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125213 I too think it odd that the M's got so little. It was reported that they asked the yanks for Chamberlain and Hughes! I guess they either lowered their expectations or it was another one of Jon Heyman's BS reports... I too think it odd that the M’s got so little.
It was reported that they asked the yanks for Chamberlain and Hughes!
I guess they either lowered their expectations or it was another one of Jon Heyman’s BS reports…

]]> By: Don http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125212 Don Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:00:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125212 For some reason this parallel came to mind: 3 years removed from World Series, Tigers trade for experienced pitcher. They make the postseason, but languish in the division for years afterward. Past is not prologue, is it? And if so, does Inge == Trammell? Just a bit of fluff before the game... For some reason this parallel came to mind:
3 years removed from World Series, Tigers trade for experienced pitcher. They make the postseason, but languish in the division for years afterward. Past is not prologue, is it? And if so, does Inge == Trammell?

Just a bit of fluff before the game…

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125210 Keith (Mr. X) Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:22:44 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125210 You crack me up. This was a very one sided trade that does nothing but benefit the Tigers. Washburn has been a stud this year and has the playoff experience that we very much needed from a pitcher. I still can't believe Seattle would trade him and for so little. Then just think about the asking price there was for Roy Halladay. The Tigers made out like bandits. You crack me up. This was a very one sided trade that does nothing but benefit the Tigers. Washburn has been a stud this year and has the playoff experience that we very much needed from a pitcher. I still can’t believe Seattle would trade him and for so little. Then just think about the asking price there was for Roy Halladay. The Tigers made out like bandits.

]]> By: Joey in Portland Or http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125209 Joey in Portland Or Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:10:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125209 Jake Peavy sir, I no longer care for you. And I'm sure I will come to hate you soon enough! Jake Peavy sir, I no longer care for you. And I’m sure I will come to hate you soon enough!

]]> By: amason http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125208 amason Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:09:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125208 hope i am wrong(and I don't claim to be doing much of an analysis here either). And to clarify I don't think we necessarily lost out but don't see a huge improvement. hope i am wrong(and I don’t claim to be doing much of an analysis here either). And to clarify I don’t think we necessarily lost out but don’t see a huge improvement.

]]> By: Mike Rogers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125207 Mike Rogers Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:05:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125207 Pegging Luke French as Wil Ledezma when French is so young is ridiculous. I think the benefit was marginal at best. Pegging Luke French as Wil Ledezma when French is so young is ridiculous. I think the benefit was marginal at best.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125205 Keith (Mr. X) Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:56:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125205 I'm just thrilled right now. Can't wait for the Tigers pregame. I’m just thrilled right now. Can’t wait for the Tigers pregame.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125204 Keith (Mr. X) Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:49:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125204 This is a major upgrade to our rotation. Comparing French to Washburn is quite ridiculous. Better off comparing Luke French to someone like Wil Ledezma next time. This year, Washburn has been just as good as Cliff Lee or Johan Santana. This is a major upgrade to our rotation. Comparing French to Washburn is quite ridiculous.

Better off comparing Luke French to someone like Wil Ledezma next time.

This year, Washburn has been just as good as Cliff Lee or Johan Santana.

]]> By: Mike Rogers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125201 Mike Rogers Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:39:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125201 I'll go on the limb and say it: I don't think Jarrod Washburn is an upgrade. Add in the cost, the likelihood of him accepting arbitration, and the age component and I don't like the deal. I’ll go on the limb and say it: I don’t think Jarrod Washburn is an upgrade. Add in the cost, the likelihood of him accepting arbitration, and the age component and I don’t like the deal.

]]> By: Andre in Chi http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125198 Andre in Chi Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:29:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125198 Yeah, hopefully Cameron's article in May holds true: (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/peavy-to-the-white-sox) "For his career, Peavy has a 3.73 K/BB rate at Petco, and he’s allowed one home run every 56.3 plate appearances while pitching at home. On the road, his K/BB is 2.54, and he allows one home run every 30.8 plate appearances. The vast expanse of the outfield in San Diego not only turns long fly balls into outs, but it allows Peavy to be more aggressive with his pitch selection and challenge hitters with pitches he can’t get away with in stadiums that aren’t as forgiving. Away from Petco, hitters have put up a .245/.316/.419 line against him, which certainly isn’t bad, but also isn’t ace-like." Yeah, hopefully Cameron’s article in May holds true: (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-white-sox)

“For his career, Peavy has a 3.73 K/BB rate at Petco, and he’s allowed one home run every 56.3 plate appearances while pitching at home. On the road, his K/BB is 2.54, and he allows one home run every 30.8 plate appearances. The vast expanse of the outfield in San Diego not only turns long fly balls into outs, but it allows Peavy to be more aggressive with his pitch selection and challenge hitters with pitches he can’t get away with in stadiums that aren’t as forgiving. Away from Petco, hitters have put up a .245/.316/.419 line against him, which certainly isn’t bad, but also isn’t ace-like.”

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125197 Keith (Mr. X) Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:16:15 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/tigers-get-washburn/#comment-125197 Great move for the White Sox. They now have a legit chance at competing IF Peavy can get his arm back into shape after a near 2 month layoff. It's a great move for next year and the years to come too. Peavy's current contract- $11 million in 2009. $15 million in 2010 $16 million in 2011 $17 million in 2012 club option for $22 million in 2013, or a $4 million buyout. Great move for the White Sox. They now have a legit chance at competing IF Peavy can get his arm back into shape after a near 2 month layoff. It’s a great move for next year and the years to come too.

Peavy’s current contract-
$11 million in 2009.
$15 million in 2010
$16 million in 2011
$17 million in 2012
club option for $22 million in 2013, or a $4 million buyout.

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