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	<title>Comments on: Game 2009.083: Royals at Tigers</title>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123174</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless he&#039;s too busy looking for Sammy Spanish to help out in the bullpen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless he&#8217;s too busy looking for Sammy Spanish to help out in the bullpen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123172</link>
		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jb,

Point taken, but since Pudge left and Bad Inge has been replaced by Good Inge, the cringe-inducing swing-and-miss seems a lot less frequent to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jb,</p>
<p>Point taken, but since Pudge left and Bad Inge has been replaced by Good Inge, the cringe-inducing swing-and-miss seems a lot less frequent to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123165</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since his last start against us (7 starts ago), Grienke has a 3.88 ERA and 55 hits allowed in 46 innings with 39 K&#039;s.  He is not the superhuman freak from the beginning of the year (although he&#039;s still very good).  The offense seems to be much better at home, so I think we&#039;ll get him for a couple runs but a win is a very tall order.

I&#039;m sure Jimmuh is telling French &quot;you aren&#039;t pitching against Grienke, you&#039;re facing the Royals hitters&quot; over and over....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since his last start against us (7 starts ago), Grienke has a 3.88 ERA and 55 hits allowed in 46 innings with 39 K&#8217;s.  He is not the superhuman freak from the beginning of the year (although he&#8217;s still very good).  The offense seems to be much better at home, so I think we&#8217;ll get him for a couple runs but a win is a very tall order.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Jimmuh is telling French &#8220;you aren&#8217;t pitching against Grienke, you&#8217;re facing the Royals hitters&#8221; over and over&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ternt</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ternt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets offer them Willis and see if they bite.</description>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123158</link>
		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were combined strikeout/GIDP over under at 12, I&#039;d take over--he seems to get us for at least 3 or 4 of those.  8 seems a bit low for strikeouts; I figure Inge and Thames for 2 apiece, Clete will bat 3rd and get 1 or 2 (and a GIDP), Cabrera, Everett/Santiago, Ordonez, Laird, at least 3 there...and Polanco will double twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were combined strikeout/GIDP over under at 12, I&#8217;d take over&#8211;he seems to get us for at least 3 or 4 of those.  8 seems a bit low for strikeouts; I figure Inge and Thames for 2 apiece, Clete will bat 3rd and get 1 or 2 (and a GIDP), Cabrera, Everett/Santiago, Ordonez, Laird, at least 3 there&#8230;and Polanco will double twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123157</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Too many hungry players, and not enough good ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Too many hungry players, and not enough good ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job avoiding the sweep boys.
Haha. 
So Greinke&#039;s strikeout total tomorrow.. over or under 12?
I&#039;ll go out on a limb and say that he only strikes out 8, but still gets the shutout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job avoiding the sweep boys.<br />
Haha.<br />
So Greinke&#8217;s strikeout total tomorrow.. over or under 12?<br />
I&#8217;ll go out on a limb and say that he only strikes out 8, but still gets the shutout.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post of the night goes to Charlie. Inappropriate, but I&#039;m still laughing. 

I gotta give JL credit on how he&#039;s managed Lyon. I was ready to release him a month ago, now he&#039;s indispensable. JL has done a great job of easing him into pressure situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post of the night goes to Charlie. Inappropriate, but I&#8217;m still laughing. </p>
<p>I gotta give JL credit on how he&#8217;s managed Lyon. I was ready to release him a month ago, now he&#8217;s indispensable. JL has done a great job of easing him into pressure situations.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney did pitch two perfect innings on Friday night... which speaks to my point that he is valuable in the bullpen (albeit more so in non-save situations).  

And of course I&#039;d always rather take a W feeling sick to my stomach instead of an L or two under more comfortable circumstances, but to clarify my point:  

Just because you hit black on the roulette table 18 times in a row doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re gonna hit black the next 18 times.   In my estimation, Rodney closing a tight game is analogous to hitting black on a standard roulette table, whereas the top six or seven closers in game recording a save are more analogous to hitting anything on the table but green.

I&#039;d still rather be playing on a table I&#039;ve hit green on a couple times (even if it means that table has produced a loss or two), given that table provides the latter odds at recording saves, rather than play on the table with the former odds where I have miraculously hit black 18 times in a row.  In any case, I would never wish for a loss for the sake of my blood pressure, but I hope this has nonetheless clarified what I was trying to say.

Also to clarify -- to speak to Mark from Chicago&#039;s post -- I don&#039;t mean to imply at all that Lyon, Zumaya, or anyone else in the pen is more apt than Rodney to be closer.  And perhaps Rodney is the best option we have, but that fact alone doesn&#039;t make him an adequate closer.  It only means there is hole (or potential hole) in the team that hasn&#039;t necessarily hurt the team....yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney did pitch two perfect innings on Friday night&#8230; which speaks to my point that he is valuable in the bullpen (albeit more so in non-save situations).  </p>
<p>And of course I&#8217;d always rather take a W feeling sick to my stomach instead of an L or two under more comfortable circumstances, but to clarify my point:  </p>
<p>Just because you hit black on the roulette table 18 times in a row doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re gonna hit black the next 18 times.   In my estimation, Rodney closing a tight game is analogous to hitting black on a standard roulette table, whereas the top six or seven closers in game recording a save are more analogous to hitting anything on the table but green.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d still rather be playing on a table I&#8217;ve hit green on a couple times (even if it means that table has produced a loss or two), given that table provides the latter odds at recording saves, rather than play on the table with the former odds where I have miraculously hit black 18 times in a row.  In any case, I would never wish for a loss for the sake of my blood pressure, but I hope this has nonetheless clarified what I was trying to say.</p>
<p>Also to clarify &#8212; to speak to Mark from Chicago&#8217;s post &#8212; I don&#8217;t mean to imply at all that Lyon, Zumaya, or anyone else in the pen is more apt than Rodney to be closer.  And perhaps Rodney is the best option we have, but that fact alone doesn&#8217;t make him an adequate closer.  It only means there is hole (or potential hole) in the team that hasn&#8217;t necessarily hurt the team&#8230;.yet.</p>
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		<title>By: jb61973</title>
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		<dc:creator>jb61973</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scot, I&#039;m just saying that the Tigers swing at bad pitches early in counts way more than i would like.  I would argue that if they looked at more pitches they would hit more HRs and overall, become better hitters.  They would also likely get to the opponents&#039; bullpen much earlier in games which could only be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scot, I&#8217;m just saying that the Tigers swing at bad pitches early in counts way more than i would like.  I would argue that if they looked at more pitches they would hit more HRs and overall, become better hitters.  They would also likely get to the opponents&#8217; bullpen much earlier in games which could only be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you shoulda had him mark this one :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you shoulda had him mark this one <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123149</link>
		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dog marked a post on our walk today.</description>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123148</link>
		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all those losers on the team, and all those holes, that team is never going to win the division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all those losers on the team, and all those holes, that team is never going to win the division.</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123147</link>
		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jb,

If we&#039;re scrutinizing batters on a pitch-by-pitch basis, and microscoping each instance where a guy &quot;should&quot; or &quot;shouldn&#039;t&quot; swing, maybe that&#039;s a sign of a failure to understand the sport.

Every hitter who ever picked up a bat has offered at pitches he can&#039;t hit. Happens to absolutely everyone. You can&#039;t call each instance a &quot;mistake.&quot; The goal is to not fail approximately 1/3 of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jb,</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re scrutinizing batters on a pitch-by-pitch basis, and microscoping each instance where a guy &#8220;should&#8221; or &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t&#8221; swing, maybe that&#8217;s a sign of a failure to understand the sport.</p>
<p>Every hitter who ever picked up a bat has offered at pitches he can&#8217;t hit. Happens to absolutely everyone. You can&#8217;t call each instance a &#8220;mistake.&#8221; The goal is to not fail approximately 1/3 of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/07/game-2009-083-royals-at-tigers/#comment-123145</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My prediction: Lyon becomes the closer in the 2nd half

Mark this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My prediction: Lyon becomes the closer in the 2nd half</p>
<p>Mark this post.</p>
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