Comments on: Nate Robertson to DL, Ni called up http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:08:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122456 Coleman Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:29:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122456 If last season wasn't such a disaster, it would have at least been somewhat amusing that Sheffield managed to get on base fairly often (via the walk)...the opposing pitchers had to know as well as we did that he couldn't hit anything, yet still the idea of throwing one down the pipe to him made them shudder...there was something so ingrained from previous encounters that it over-ruled what their senses were telling them... And to Sheffield's credit, once he got on base, he ran the bases well, perhaps as well as he had any time the last 10 seasons...it's just the guy couldn't swing the bat.... As far as Nate goes--if this is really what is going on--I'm not so sure it's all that obvious when something "special" is wrong with your arm vs the normal aches you feel every time you pitch... If last season wasn’t such a disaster, it would have at least been somewhat amusing that Sheffield managed to get on base fairly often (via the walk)…the opposing pitchers had to know as well as we did that he couldn’t hit anything, yet still the idea of throwing one down the pipe to him made them shudder…there was something so ingrained from previous encounters that it over-ruled what their senses were telling them…

And to Sheffield’s credit, once he got on base, he ran the bases well, perhaps as well as he had any time the last 10 seasons…it’s just the guy couldn’t swing the bat….

As far as Nate goes–if this is really what is going on–I’m not so sure it’s all that obvious when something “special” is wrong with your arm vs the normal aches you feel every time you pitch…

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122453 Keith (Mr. X) Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:55:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122453 I just wonder how long Nate has had the numbness in his fingers from this elbow thing? I hate it when players hide injuries and are ineffective because of the injury. It really pisses me off that Nate didn't have this taken care of sooner. I was a big fan of his, but now I'm very disappointed in him. That's what made me change tunes about Gary Sheffield. He was playing for selfish reasons last season when he was obviously hurting the team. I just wonder how long Nate has had the numbness in his fingers from this elbow thing? I hate it when players hide injuries and are ineffective because of the injury. It really pisses me off that Nate didn’t have this taken care of sooner. I was a big fan of his, but now I’m very disappointed in him.

That’s what made me change tunes about Gary Sheffield. He was playing for selfish reasons last season when he was obviously hurting the team.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122452 Keith (Mr. X) Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:48:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122452 All I said is we need 6 solid innings from our 5th starter during the stretch run. It doesn't have to Nate, but he is a candidate for the spot if he comes back when the rosters expand. All I said is we need 6 solid innings from our 5th starter during the stretch run. It doesn’t have to Nate, but he is a candidate for the spot if he comes back when the rosters expand.

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122447 T Smith Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:00:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122447 I never implied his condition was a season-ending calamity, nor that he is phsyically or mentally incapable of recovery from whatever ails him, be it a cyst, a tired armed, apathy from losing his starting position, etc. I also prefer not to assume whether this little stint is mere window dressing or not, contrary to previous comments in this tread. How should I know what the hell's going on with him? I'm not a doctor, so I'm afraid I can't render a professional medical opinion on the matter. All I'm saying is, in response to Mr. X, that it would be hard to get "six solid innings" out of him when he's hard pressed to record a single out. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I never implied his condition was a season-ending calamity, nor that he is phsyically or mentally incapable of recovery from whatever ails him, be it a cyst, a tired armed, apathy from losing his starting position, etc. I also prefer not to assume whether this little stint is mere window dressing or not, contrary to previous comments in this tread. How should I know what the hell’s going on with him? I’m not a doctor, so I’m afraid I can’t render a professional medical opinion on the matter. All I’m saying is, in response to Mr. X, that it would be hard to get “six solid innings” out of him when he’s hard pressed to record a single out. That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less.

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122439 Coleman Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:03:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122439 Now that you bring this up, I recall one of the topics that came and went for a while last season was, was there something wrong with the medical personnel on the Tigers, considering how often players seem to end up diagnosed far after the effects of their injuries were apparent...I know the pitching coach has been changed, have there been any other changes in this respect? Of all the various angles of the Dontrelle situation, is it possible that one of them is that the Tigers, far from playing the DL list, are actually ahead of the curve in diagnosing something here? I don't really have an opinion either way, but this seems worth considering. And, as scotsw pointed out, is it possible they have found a physical reason for Nate's ineffectiveness, and if so is this something they would have found in the past? (I know the topic of insurance has been mentioned; isn't it also the case however that acknowledging a medical problem with a player limits you in some cases? As in, you can't cut them?). Now that you bring this up, I recall one of the topics that came and went for a while last season was, was there something wrong with the medical personnel on the Tigers, considering how often players seem to end up diagnosed far after the effects of their injuries were apparent…I know the pitching coach has been changed, have there been any other changes in this respect?

Of all the various angles of the Dontrelle situation, is it possible that one of them is that the Tigers, far from playing the DL list, are actually ahead of the curve in diagnosing something here? I don’t really have an opinion either way, but this seems worth considering.

And, as scotsw pointed out, is it possible they have found a physical reason for Nate’s ineffectiveness, and if so is this something they would have found in the past?

(I know the topic of insurance has been mentioned; isn’t it also the case however that acknowledging a medical problem with a player limits you in some cases? As in, you can’t cut them?).

]]> By: scotsw http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122438 scotsw Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:41:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122438 So in your professional medical opinion, this player, who has often thrown more than 200 innings in a single season, is now physically incapable of recovery? How tragic. I wasn't aware that small cysts requiring minor surgery were season-ending calamities. The other way to look at this news is that Nate's sudden ineffectiveness has a medical explanation. It's extraordinarily cynical to assume that because Nate has been less effective this year, and increasingly so, this trip to the DL is merely window dressing. Isn't it equally plausible -- in fact, more likely -- that this cyst has affected his arm? I'm just sayin'. As always, I'm glad this is a decision being made by experts of the non-armchair variety. So in your professional medical opinion, this player, who has often thrown more than 200 innings in a single season, is now physically incapable of recovery? How tragic. I wasn’t aware that small cysts requiring minor surgery were season-ending calamities.

The other way to look at this news is that Nate’s sudden ineffectiveness has a medical explanation. It’s extraordinarily cynical to assume that because Nate has been less effective this year, and increasingly so, this trip to the DL is merely window dressing. Isn’t it equally plausible — in fact, more likely — that this cyst has affected his arm? I’m just sayin’.

As always, I’m glad this is a decision being made by experts of the non-armchair variety.

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122425 T Smith Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:44:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122425 He can't get a single out. How is he going to give us 6 solid innings? He can’t get a single out. How is he going to give us 6 solid innings?

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122421 Vince in MN Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:32:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122421 Perhaps the insurance option doesn't kick in in the event of death. Or does it? Perhaps the insurance option doesn’t kick in in the event of death.

Or does it?

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122416 Coleman Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:46:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122416 Yes, very early-60's type thing, Nate would never expect it...hmm, and that long rain delay against the Brewers, who would have given a second thought to old Uncle Smokey strolling around with his umbrella, joking around with the relief pitchers, poking one in the arm to punctuate a punchline...and good for him too, for refusing the lethal-dose option... Yes, very early-60’s type thing, Nate would never expect it…hmm, and that long rain delay against the Brewers, who would have given a second thought to old Uncle Smokey strolling around with his umbrella, joking around with the relief pitchers, poking one in the arm to punctuate a punchline…and good for him too, for refusing the lethal-dose option…

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122414 Vince in MN Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:33:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122414 Perhaps Nate succumbed to the old poison-tipped umbrella technique. During the cold war days the Russians used this successfully on several occasions to eliminate dangerous agents and the like. If it is true that Nate refused an optional assignment (see Detroit Tigers Thoughts blog, June 21), which forced JL and DD to keep him on the 25-man roster, then this may have been the only way they could get him off the team. Who is Nate's room mate by the way? Perhaps Nate succumbed to the old poison-tipped umbrella technique. During the cold war days the Russians used this successfully on several occasions to eliminate dangerous agents and the like. If it is true that Nate refused an optional assignment (see Detroit Tigers Thoughts blog, June 21), which forced JL and DD to keep him on the 25-man roster, then this may have been the only way they could get him off the team. Who is Nate’s room mate by the way?

]]> By: Brian P http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122410 Brian P Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:08:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122410 The Mud Hens were dominated by Snell today. 17 strikeouts. 3 each for Sizemore, Thomas, and Larish. Yeesh. The Mud Hens were dominated by Snell today. 17 strikeouts. 3 each for Sizemore, Thomas, and Larish. Yeesh.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122407 billfer Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:40:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122407 Reports are a cyst which will be excised this week in Detroit. Reports are a cyst which will be excised this week in Detroit.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122406 billfer Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:40:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122406 Well, insurance does pick up some cost for players who are injured if the contract is insured. My understanding though is that the premiums aren't cheap and the deductibles are substantial, so for a 2 month stay on the DL insurance wouldn't be a factor. It is more of a guard against a lost season (or a big chunk of season like Bonderman). Well, insurance does pick up some cost for players who are injured if the contract is insured. My understanding though is that the premiums aren’t cheap and the deductibles are substantial, so for a 2 month stay on the DL insurance wouldn’t be a factor. It is more of a guard against a lost season (or a big chunk of season like Bonderman).

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122401 Keith (Mr. X) Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:12:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122401 I hope somebody we try from Toledo steps up. Odds are 1 of the 3 between French, Dolsi, and Ni will be OK, but the other 2 will probably bomb out. I'm on board with everyone to put Miner back in the rotation. His spot in the pen is easier to fill than the 5th starters spot. I hope somebody we try from Toledo steps up. Odds are 1 of the 3 between French, Dolsi, and Ni will be OK, but the other 2 will probably bomb out.

I’m on board with everyone to put Miner back in the rotation. His spot in the pen is easier to fill than the 5th starters spot.

]]> By: Ryan P. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122399 Ryan P. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:50:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/nate-robertson-to-dl-ni-called-up/#comment-122399 Figaro sent to Toledo, French is up and will start against Minny. Figaro sent to Toledo, French is up and will start against Minny.

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