Comments on: Game 2009.059: Tigers at White Sox

By: Coleman

Coleman — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:41:24 +0000

Obviously nothing wrong with the logic that doubles/triples/HRs are good-but then again, that’s what the SLG% measures. And walks are good; they are also already accounted for in OBP. And the steals part doesn’t seem to add much; at least it couldn’t help Mickey Mantle to measure up to the great Adam Dunn, or help Rickey Henderson reach Jason Giambi levels…

By: Jason

Jason — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:10:54 +0000

So we’re talking about everything BUT the dominant outing by Verlander. What a treat to watch. He made good hitters look foolish. He pitched like Jack Morris did, taking the ball and going all nine innings. We’ve got to appreciate what we have.

It is hard to suggest a good lineup for this team. Here’s my attempt:

1. Granderson
2. Ordonez
3. Thames
4. Cabrera
5. Inge
6. LF of the day
Bottom three of Laird, Polanco, and Everett.

By: David

David — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:09:31 +0000

http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....avg1.shtml

Those are the all time leaders for SecA.

It isn’t the most valuable stat, but important nonetheless.

Yea, it rewards guys who hit a lot of doubles/triples/hrs and get walks/steals

By: Coleman

Coleman — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:27:03 +0000

I haven’t learned to appreciate the Secondary Average thing yet…which doesn’t mean I won’t at some point. It seems to give similar ratings to very dissimilar hitters for what to me are very different results. Mostly the guys who get good numbers are ones who get tons of walks, and/or steal a lot of bases, and/or hit a lot of home runs and not so many singles. Are Inge and Granderson really so much better than the rest of the Tigers? Although neither can compete with the likes of the great Coco Crisp, or Jason Varitek, or Jason Giambi, who could really use a secondary average actually cause his primary one’s broke (.214).

By: jb61973

jb61973 — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:46:21 +0000

With the numbers that Strieby is putting up you will eventually be able to get much more in return than Aubrey Huff.

By: Jerry the Tiger Fan

Jerry the Tiger Fan — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:59:51 +0000

Do you guys think Baltimore would trade Huff for a prospect like Strieby? He could DH here and Baltimore is rapidly falling out of contention and might be sellers real soon. Huff is a left-handed hitter with some power that could beef up our weak lineup a bit. Streiby will never play here as Cabrera is blocking his path to the bigs in Detroit.

By: Coleman

Coleman — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:34:26 +0000

As far as burners go, I’d say Anderson burns most. So far this season he has scored a run every 7.9 PA; Ordonez has scored a run every 8.4 PA. That’s a difference of 2 runs. Obviously if Anderson were on base more the advantage would be greater; but that’s the whole point…

By: Coleman

Coleman — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:11:36 +0000

The Tigers are 7th in the league at scoring runs, 9th in # of baserunners…so, to be simplistic, the offense could use an improvement in getting on base more than an improvement at getting their baserunners home.

By: Neal

Neal — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:52:26 +0000

Best reason of all to have Maggs bat leadoff: 0% chance of him having a GIDP to start the game.

By: Jerry the Tiger Fan

Jerry the Tiger Fan — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:51:24 +0000

I don’t know Brian, but we need to address this lineup. We can’t keep counting on Verlander and Jackson to be uber-studs every time out. There will be nights where we need to score five or six runs when they are pitching (not to mention when Porcello, Willis, and Galaragga pitch) and this lineup is so weak right now that six seems like a daunting number. We need another dangerous bat (preferably a left-handed bat with some pop). I’m not sure who will be available come trade deadline time, but DD has got to beef this lineup up a bit to contend all the way thru September.

By: David

David — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:47:49 +0000

Sorry I should have said – his OB% doesn’t mean nearly as much because

1) He is not a burner
2) It doesn’t include many extra base hits

His SecA (Secondary Average) is .199 …which is horrible

His Runs Created is also horrible.

By: jb61973

jb61973 — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:13:56 +0000

David you do realize that his OBP does absolutely matter whether he has spped or not becasue every time he gets on base, is a time that he did not make an out. ANd he cannot score without getting on base. Everyone would like to see a higher slg% for Ordonez, but to say that his OBP doesn’t matter becasue he is not a threat to steal is nothing short of ignorant.

By: David

David — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:37:02 +0000

His OP% doesn’t mean much because he isn’t even fast.

He isn’t a stealing threat and usually doesn’t go from first to third on a single.

No pop and no speed.

Still right now I’d play it like this and stick him in the two hole and move Poly down

Just based on performance and doing this very quick –

Granderson
Ordonez
Inge
Cabrera
Thomas
Thames
Everett
Polanco
Laird

Whatever they do, Inge should be hitting much higher than in the 6 hole. And Poly should be “demoted”

By: Adrian from Toronto

Adrian from Toronto — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:05:57 +0000

when did Rick Porcello split up with Scott Boras?

By: Skip

Skip — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:36:31 +0000

Thanks billfer!!
Really happy with their picks
(although Matzek would have been nice)