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		<title>By: Legend</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-070-cubs-at-tigers/#comment-122119</link>
		<dc:creator>Legend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, you guys are all missing the REAL news, &amp; that of course is Magglios hair cut. Jeez, who cares about changing pitches &amp; fast balls. This is muy importante!!
My Maggs has no hair, waaaa. At least he didn&#039;t grow one of those nasty goatees &amp; shave his head. If I see that combo one more time, I&#039;ll not  be able to stop screaming. Stop it guys, women do not really like that look. I always thought it was a sign of a serial killer anyway. Go Maggs, hair or no hair!! It is hardly like he is th only big name player in a slump. 
Kidding, sort of.
Legend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you guys are all missing the REAL news, &amp; that of course is Magglios hair cut. Jeez, who cares about changing pitches &amp; fast balls. This is muy importante!!<br />
My Maggs has no hair, waaaa. At least he didn&#8217;t grow one of those nasty goatees &amp; shave his head. If I see that combo one more time, I&#8217;ll not  be able to stop screaming. Stop it guys, women do not really like that look. I always thought it was a sign of a serial killer anyway. Go Maggs, hair or no hair!! It is hardly like he is th only big name player in a slump.<br />
Kidding, sort of.<br />
Legend</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-070-cubs-at-tigers/#comment-122002</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it refreshing that we are actually discussing Inge in a positive way.  You are absolutely correct.  He&#039;s never had a season like this so it&#039;s kinda silly for anyone to come out with the &quot;I told you so s...&quot;  He&#039;s not just doing better, he IS better.   Last year when there was more polarization surroundng Inge than the Letterman/Palin fued, when opposing pitchers were pitching him like he &quot;was Babe Ruth&quot;,  Inge refused to work with McClendon, which is absolutely absurd in the extreme.   Simply, Branden Inge was in denial.   Burying his head in the sand may even be, in large part, the reason why so many disgruntled fans hurled so much vitriol his way.   When he finally fessed up that he sucked at the plate (for whatever the reason, be it to assure himself a permanant job at 3rd base or for some other reason) and agressively worked on his approach during the off season, which is what he should have done half-way through the 2007 season, Branden Inge took the first step to become a better player.   Not only has he become that better player, he has also raised the bar for himself, arbuably, to become a marque player if this little run he is on turns out to be the result of mental adjustments and not just a fluke.  

Is it a fluke?  I don&#039;t know.  That&#039;s really the question.   Aside from a slightly different stance at the plate, what I most notice in Branden Inge is mental.  He looks more confident and comfortable at the plate; he takes more pitches, is more patient, and simply waits for his pitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it refreshing that we are actually discussing Inge in a positive way.  You are absolutely correct.  He&#8217;s never had a season like this so it&#8217;s kinda silly for anyone to come out with the &#8220;I told you so s&#8230;&#8221;  He&#8217;s not just doing better, he IS better.   Last year when there was more polarization surroundng Inge than the Letterman/Palin fued, when opposing pitchers were pitching him like he &#8220;was Babe Ruth&#8221;,  Inge refused to work with McClendon, which is absolutely absurd in the extreme.   Simply, Branden Inge was in denial.   Burying his head in the sand may even be, in large part, the reason why so many disgruntled fans hurled so much vitriol his way.   When he finally fessed up that he sucked at the plate (for whatever the reason, be it to assure himself a permanant job at 3rd base or for some other reason) and agressively worked on his approach during the off season, which is what he should have done half-way through the 2007 season, Branden Inge took the first step to become a better player.   Not only has he become that better player, he has also raised the bar for himself, arbuably, to become a marque player if this little run he is on turns out to be the result of mental adjustments and not just a fluke.  </p>
<p>Is it a fluke?  I don&#8217;t know.  That&#8217;s really the question.   Aside from a slightly different stance at the plate, what I most notice in Branden Inge is mental.  He looks more confident and comfortable at the plate; he takes more pitches, is more patient, and simply waits for his pitch.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If gameday is to be believed, Zumaya&#039;s problem last night was location, not pitch selection or speed change. Almost every pitch, regardless of type, was above the belt. Lately he has been all-over-the-place. Last night he wasn&#039;t all-over-the-place enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If gameday is to be believed, Zumaya&#8217;s problem last night was location, not pitch selection or speed change. Almost every pitch, regardless of type, was above the belt. Lately he has been all-over-the-place. Last night he wasn&#8217;t all-over-the-place enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey in Portland Or</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey in Portland Or</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok watchinng the replay of Rayburns homer again and the best part is the Cubs fan beating the wall and yelling NO NO NO!!!! right where the ball went out.   Awesome.  (just too bad it wasn&#039;t the other Chicago team)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok watchinng the replay of Rayburns homer again and the best part is the Cubs fan beating the wall and yelling NO NO NO!!!! right where the ball went out.   Awesome.  (just too bad it wasn&#8217;t the other Chicago team)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bad pitch selection AND bad execution.  

I only saw highlights, but that pitch shouldn&#039;t have been in the strike zone no matter what he threw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bad pitch selection AND bad execution.  </p>
<p>I only saw highlights, but that pitch shouldn&#8217;t have been in the strike zone no matter what he threw.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The true experts only give advice retroactively, when conditions are most favorable for success...</description>
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		<title>By: Andre in Chi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre in Chi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fallout from Zumaya&#039;s &quot;error&quot; in pitch selection is much more a function of game circumstances and, as scotsw points out, the fact that he shook Laird off several times in order to go with his #3 pitch. 

Directed at nobody here in particular, I think in this case some people (especially the WGN announcers) are guilty of a little double-standard when it comes to the basics of pitching re: pitch selection. I constantly hear about how changing the height and speed of pitches are hallmarks of great pitching. I&#039;m not an expert, but if that&#039;s true then I don&#039;t see how you can fault following a steady diet of fast-balls with an off-speed. Maybe he should have gone with the curve, but prior to that hit, I would guess that most &quot;experts&quot; would have been ok with Zumaya dialing down the velocity to throw off Hauf&#039;s timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fallout from Zumaya&#8217;s &#8220;error&#8221; in pitch selection is much more a function of game circumstances and, as scotsw points out, the fact that he shook Laird off several times in order to go with his #3 pitch. </p>
<p>Directed at nobody here in particular, I think in this case some people (especially the WGN announcers) are guilty of a little double-standard when it comes to the basics of pitching re: pitch selection. I constantly hear about how changing the height and speed of pitches are hallmarks of great pitching. I&#8217;m not an expert, but if that&#8217;s true then I don&#8217;t see how you can fault following a steady diet of fast-balls with an off-speed. Maybe he should have gone with the curve, but prior to that hit, I would guess that most &#8220;experts&#8221; would have been ok with Zumaya dialing down the velocity to throw off Hauf&#8217;s timing.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre in Chi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre in Chi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to beat a dead horse deader, or to suggest that my view is better than yours, but...

&quot;fouling off a 100-mph pitch is not an indication that the guy is actually capable of turning on one. Hauffpauir was sitting on a changeup, because that’s the only pitch he had a real prayer of putting in play.&quot;

We&#039;re both making assumptions here, and you know what that leads to! You&#039;re assuming that Hauf&#039; was sitting on a changeup, no way to verify that was the case vs. pure luck. You&#039;re right that the ability to foul a 100mph pitch doesn&#039;t automatically mean that Hauf&#039; could have centered one, but it does indicate the ability to &quot;fight off&quot; his fastball (at least to a degree), which could have led to a series of fouling off heaters, wearing Zumaya out and increasing his chances of mistakes.

I happen to think that there was a chance (maybe not equal) that Hauf&#039; ends up putting a heater in play, just like there was a chance that Zumaya locates his off-speed correctly. I&#039;ll go a step further in assuming, maybe Zumaya was trying to get cute and embarrass Hauf&#039; with the off-speed (in my mind, you look extra silly striking out on off-speed when you&#039;re swinging to hit a fast-ball). 

Either way, hopefully this is a lesson learned in his case, and one that didn&#039;t end up costing the Tigers a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to beat a dead horse deader, or to suggest that my view is better than yours, but&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;fouling off a 100-mph pitch is not an indication that the guy is actually capable of turning on one. Hauffpauir was sitting on a changeup, because that’s the only pitch he had a real prayer of putting in play.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re both making assumptions here, and you know what that leads to! You&#8217;re assuming that Hauf&#8217; was sitting on a changeup, no way to verify that was the case vs. pure luck. You&#8217;re right that the ability to foul a 100mph pitch doesn&#8217;t automatically mean that Hauf&#8217; could have centered one, but it does indicate the ability to &#8220;fight off&#8221; his fastball (at least to a degree), which could have led to a series of fouling off heaters, wearing Zumaya out and increasing his chances of mistakes.</p>
<p>I happen to think that there was a chance (maybe not equal) that Hauf&#8217; ends up putting a heater in play, just like there was a chance that Zumaya locates his off-speed correctly. I&#8217;ll go a step further in assuming, maybe Zumaya was trying to get cute and embarrass Hauf&#8217; with the off-speed (in my mind, you look extra silly striking out on off-speed when you&#8217;re swinging to hit a fast-ball). </p>
<p>Either way, hopefully this is a lesson learned in his case, and one that didn&#8217;t end up costing the Tigers a game.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so a lot of the credit for Inge&#039;s season, it occurs to me, needs to go to...Uncle Smokey himself.  He took holy hell for it here, but the move that had Inge working over the winter with McClendon, and hitting this season with a running start, was the much-maligned naming of Inge as this season&#039;s 3rd baseman at the end of last season...how about that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so a lot of the credit for Inge&#8217;s season, it occurs to me, needs to go to&#8230;Uncle Smokey himself.  He took holy hell for it here, but the move that had Inge working over the winter with McClendon, and hitting this season with a running start, was the much-maligned naming of Inge as this season&#8217;s 3rd baseman at the end of last season&#8230;how about that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if you saw my post below, but:  20 HR 83 RBI .258 .331 434
Those are Inge&#039;s CAREER averages, averaged over 162 games, WHILE PLAYING 3rd base (a bit high because he doesn&#039;t get the avg number of PAs batting low in the order).

I know there is a lot of resistance to the idea of Inge the Catcher at bat=bad, Inge the 3rd B at bat = good...I&#039;m sympathetic to the argument that there SHOULDN&#039;T be such a big difference.  But it&#039;s hard to look at the splits even briefly and not see that there IS a huge difference.  So my reasoning was that if Inge played 3rd all season, and stayed healthy (which normally isn&#039;t a problem, as long as you keep the pillows away), and he was maybe batting 7th instead of 8th or 9th, he figured on 17 or 18 HR, so it took very little optimism to decide 20 HR was a reasonable expectation.

Last season was bad for Inge even when he was playing 3rd--except you can see a couple things stand out.  His stats last season while playing 3rd:  .217 / .331 / .391.  
.217 / .331?? Yep, a lot of walks, 18 in 136 PA (1 / 7.6 PA, vs a career avg of 1/13 overall, 1/11.5 while at 3B) This season the &quot;new and improved&quot; Inge is walking 1 per 9.3 PA...the old dog learned that new trick last season</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you saw my post below, but:  20 HR 83 RBI .258 .331 434<br />
Those are Inge&#8217;s CAREER averages, averaged over 162 games, WHILE PLAYING 3rd base (a bit high because he doesn&#8217;t get the avg number of PAs batting low in the order).</p>
<p>I know there is a lot of resistance to the idea of Inge the Catcher at bat=bad, Inge the 3rd B at bat = good&#8230;I&#8217;m sympathetic to the argument that there SHOULDN&#8217;T be such a big difference.  But it&#8217;s hard to look at the splits even briefly and not see that there IS a huge difference.  So my reasoning was that if Inge played 3rd all season, and stayed healthy (which normally isn&#8217;t a problem, as long as you keep the pillows away), and he was maybe batting 7th instead of 8th or 9th, he figured on 17 or 18 HR, so it took very little optimism to decide 20 HR was a reasonable expectation.</p>
<p>Last season was bad for Inge even when he was playing 3rd&#8211;except you can see a couple things stand out.  His stats last season while playing 3rd:  .217 / .331 / .391.<br />
.217 / .331?? Yep, a lot of walks, 18 in 136 PA (1 / 7.6 PA, vs a career avg of 1/13 overall, 1/11.5 while at 3B) This season the &#8220;new and improved&#8221; Inge is walking 1 per 9.3 PA&#8230;the old dog learned that new trick last season</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good legwork there, Coleman. Clearly he&#039;s better at the plate when playing at 3rd. My point is simply this: He&#039;s never had a season like this, and if you claim you knew all along that he&#039;d have a year this good, I call BS. I think the dude has simply learned to be a better hitter than he ever was before. He&#039;s not just DOING better, he IS better. IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good legwork there, Coleman. Clearly he&#8217;s better at the plate when playing at 3rd. My point is simply this: He&#8217;s never had a season like this, and if you claim you knew all along that he&#8217;d have a year this good, I call BS. I think the dude has simply learned to be a better hitter than he ever was before. He&#8217;s not just DOING better, he IS better. IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the consensus among those of us who hated the changeup call was that Hauffpauir had no prayer of centering the heater. He&#039;s not good enough. Like anyone, I suppose he might have gotten lucky. But fouling off a 100-mph pitch is not an indication that the guy is actually capable of turning on one. Hauffpauir was sitting on a changeup, because that&#039;s the only pitch he had a real prayer of putting in play. Changeups work when the hitter is looking to hit a fastball, so save it for the better hitters who are trying to hit the fastball.

As Zumaya said post-game, Laird knew this, and Zumaya shook him off THREE times when Laird called for heaters or curves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the consensus among those of us who hated the changeup call was that Hauffpauir had no prayer of centering the heater. He&#8217;s not good enough. Like anyone, I suppose he might have gotten lucky. But fouling off a 100-mph pitch is not an indication that the guy is actually capable of turning on one. Hauffpauir was sitting on a changeup, because that&#8217;s the only pitch he had a real prayer of putting in play. Changeups work when the hitter is looking to hit a fastball, so save it for the better hitters who are trying to hit the fastball.</p>
<p>As Zumaya said post-game, Laird knew this, and Zumaya shook him off THREE times when Laird called for heaters or curves.</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is that Inge&#039;s changes this year are more than just a &quot;new swing.&quot; Remember the god-awful strikeouts? Inge at times has been so poor at pitch selection, you think P.T. Barnum must have had him in mind when he made his famous comment about suckers. But not this year -- he&#039;s among team leaders in pitches seen per plate appearance.  AND, this year he&#039;s hitting for both average and power.

If you were expecting Inge to hit for 20 HR AND a .260 average, you were an optimist for sure. He&#039;s exceeded 20 home runs exactly once before in his career, and .260 twice. In the two previous years he batted above .260, he hit 13 and 16 hrs. In short, in the past, Inge has had awful years, years when he&#039;s hit for respectable average, and years he&#039;s hit for respectable power. This is the first year he seems to be putting it all together. His current OPS is more than 100 points higher than any other season, and almost 200 points (!!!) above his career average. That denotes the old dog has learned some new tricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that Inge&#8217;s changes this year are more than just a &#8220;new swing.&#8221; Remember the god-awful strikeouts? Inge at times has been so poor at pitch selection, you think P.T. Barnum must have had him in mind when he made his famous comment about suckers. But not this year &#8212; he&#8217;s among team leaders in pitches seen per plate appearance.  AND, this year he&#8217;s hitting for both average and power.</p>
<p>If you were expecting Inge to hit for 20 HR AND a .260 average, you were an optimist for sure. He&#8217;s exceeded 20 home runs exactly once before in his career, and .260 twice. In the two previous years he batted above .260, he hit 13 and 16 hrs. In short, in the past, Inge has had awful years, years when he&#8217;s hit for respectable average, and years he&#8217;s hit for respectable power. This is the first year he seems to be putting it all together. His current OPS is more than 100 points higher than any other season, and almost 200 points (!!!) above his career average. That denotes the old dog has learned some new tricks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, brother.</description>
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		<title>By: Jerry the Tiger Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry the Tiger Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t be.  I hope none of our pitchers are selected, not because they don&#039;t deserve it but for selfish reasons.  I don&#039;t want any of our guys to get used to the point that it throws them out of whack (or hurt themselves).   I just hope Cabby gets selected as a reserve and be done with it.  Get Cabby one at-bat in the AS game and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be.  I hope none of our pitchers are selected, not because they don&#8217;t deserve it but for selfish reasons.  I don&#8217;t want any of our guys to get used to the point that it throws them out of whack (or hurt themselves).   I just hope Cabby gets selected as a reserve and be done with it.  Get Cabby one at-bat in the AS game and move on.</p>
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