Comments on: Game 2009.063: Tigers at Pirates http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:59:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: jud http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121080 jud Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:06:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121080 I don't think hardly any of this is Leyland's fault...I don't like some of the things he does like the lineup today but it isn't his fault the guys aren't producing ..so stick to your opinion and don't type my opinion. In fact you can keep playing your .075 hitting catcher for all I care! I don’t think hardly any of this is Leyland’s fault…I don’t like some of the things he does like the lineup today but it isn’t his fault the guys aren’t producing ..so stick to your opinion and don’t type my opinion.
In fact you can keep playing your .075 hitting catcher for all I care!

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121078 Keith (Mr. X) Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:21:04 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121078 In the 1st inning, Rod Allen said Santiago bunted on his own. I wonder if that was true. In the 1st inning, Rod Allen said Santiago bunted on his own. I wonder if that was true.

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121051 Coleman Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:01:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121051 Remember the good old days when "a waste of salary money" meant Inge getting $4.5 mil, with $6 mil in the future? (and even at his worst, he actually saved a roster spot by allowing the team to go with one fewer position player and at times with no backup catcher). By the way he is now the only Tiger to start every game this season. Remember the good old days when “a waste of salary money” meant Inge getting $4.5 mil, with $6 mil in the future? (and even at his worst, he actually saved a roster spot by allowing the team to go with one fewer position player and at times with no backup catcher). By the way he is now the only Tiger to start every game this season.

]]> By: ian (seattle) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121033 ian (seattle) Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:27:56 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121033 And that happened supposedly after Greinke gave him some tips during a trip to KC..but you cant argue it coincided with Dane's return to the team. Anyways, people are calling for Dane to be shipped out..but the fact is he calls A GREAT game, and has a superb arm...not every position player needs to bring a big bat. Not so long about Shortstops were defense only. This lineup should have enough RBI power from the rest of the players...if someone like Dane is doing 2/3rds of his job really well, you can forgive his quiet bat. Unless youre Jud, and then you expect everything from everyone and want to fire Leyland anytime something goes wrong :D And that happened supposedly after Greinke gave him some tips during a trip to KC..but you cant argue it coincided with Dane’s return to the team.

Anyways, people are calling for Dane to be shipped out..but the fact is he calls A GREAT game, and has a superb arm…not every position player needs to bring a big bat. Not so long about Shortstops were defense only.

This lineup should have enough RBI power from the rest of the players…if someone like Dane is doing 2/3rds of his job really well, you can forgive his quiet bat.

Unless youre Jud, and then you expect everything from everyone and want to fire Leyland anytime something goes wrong :D

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121028 Keith (Mr. X) Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:10:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121028 I'd agree with dropping Willis though. We don't need the drama anymore. I have little confidence that he'll be any good in a Tiger uniform. He needs a fresh start somewhere else. I’d agree with dropping Willis though. We don’t need the drama anymore. I have little confidence that he’ll be any good in a Tiger uniform. He needs a fresh start somewhere else.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121025 Keith (Mr. X) Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:57:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121025 You're probably right that he won't beat the Tigers. I won't argue with that. If Willis is released though, I bet many teams would be willing to take their chances with him. The Yankees are still throwing Wang with his 14+ ERA. You’re probably right that he won’t beat the Tigers. I won’t argue with that. If Willis is released though, I bet many teams would be willing to take their chances with him. The Yankees are still throwing Wang with his 14+ ERA.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121024 David Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:54:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121024 I agree. Answer me this though. Right now what do the bad multi year (at least signed through/option for 2010) contracts look like? Is the following a fair list? Willis Ordonez Robertson Bonderman Guillen And how much $$$ is a given for those guys who don't - outside of Maggs have a good change of decent production. I agree.

Answer me this though.

Right now what do the bad multi year (at least signed through/option for 2010) contracts look like? Is the following a fair list?

Willis
Ordonez
Robertson
Bonderman
Guillen

And how much $$$ is a given for those guys who don’t – outside of Maggs have a good change of decent production.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121022 David Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:51:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121022 Yea but what if they fall off the table like they did in 2005, 2006, 2007 and last year in the second half to miss the playoffs? Yea but what if they fall off the table like they did in 2005, 2006, 2007 and last year in the second half to miss the playoffs?

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121021 Keith (Mr. X) Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:50:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121021 From what I hear, Verlander "magically" got better when he turned into a mean son of a beach the day he's pitching. He won't talk to anyone or even smile before a game. He's pitching like he's pissed off at everyone. It really has nothing to do with Dane. He'd pitch the same way with an old rubber tire standing behind home plate. From what I hear, Verlander “magically” got better when he turned into a mean son of a beach the day he’s pitching. He won’t talk to anyone or even smile before a game. He’s pitching like he’s pissed off at everyone. It really has nothing to do with Dane. He’d pitch the same way with an old rubber tire standing behind home plate.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121020 David Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:49:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121020 I agree that some of it is Dane. But I think if you remember each pitch start by start you should remember that all he was lacking in April was his control - he was pumping balls right over the heart of the plate - and wasn't able to execute. His velocity was there, his bite on his curve was there, just not his control. Plus I love Hawaii and like Hawaiians, so I'm all for keeping Dane. Also his first dominant start in this recent stretch was against the Yanks with Laird. Really though any catcher they get (outside of trading for Mauer or Martinez) is not going to be much of an upgrade offensively over anything we've got. If JV feels even slightly better with Pineapple besides the dish - I'd def. keep him there. I agree that some of it is Dane.

But I think if you remember each pitch start by start you should remember that all he was lacking in April was his control – he was pumping balls right over the heart of the plate – and wasn’t able to execute.

His velocity was there, his bite on his curve was there, just not his control.

Plus I love Hawaii and like Hawaiians, so I’m all for keeping Dane.

Also his first dominant start in this recent stretch was against the Yanks with Laird.

Really though any catcher they get (outside of trading for Mauer or Martinez) is not going to be much of an upgrade offensively over anything we’ve got.

If JV feels even slightly better with Pineapple besides the dish – I’d def. keep him there.

]]> By: stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121019 stephen Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:43:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121019 Mr. X, I will buy you box seats if Willis comes back and beats the Tigers for another team this year. It ain't gonna happen. He'd probably sit out and try again in 2010 and/or go back to the weaker National League. Mr. X, I will buy you box seats if Willis comes back and beats the Tigers for another team this year. It ain’t gonna happen. He’d probably sit out and try again in 2010 and/or go back to the weaker National League.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121017 Keith (Mr. X) Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:39:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121017 It's a pickle. Glad it's not up to me to decide. I just hope we're not dumpster diving for someone like Casey Fossum again. That wouldn't be a step forward at all. I'd be happier with Dolsi or some other young gun given a chance. Almost every team needs pitching though. I'd hate to have Willis or Robertson comeback and beat us in a big game. It's a pickle. It’s a pickle. Glad it’s not up to me to decide. I just hope we’re not dumpster diving for someone like Casey Fossum again. That wouldn’t be a step forward at all. I’d be happier with Dolsi or some other young gun given a chance. Almost every team needs pitching though. I’d hate to have Willis or Robertson comeback and beat us in a big game. It’s a pickle.

]]> By: stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121016 stephen Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:36:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121016 As most folks know, I'm a pessimist at heart, but this division is so weak The Tigers could win the division at 84-78. Of course, I wouldn't like their chances in the playoffs, but the 73 Mets, the 87 Twins, and the 06 Cards were barely above .500, good hot and won pennants. There, you have my one optimistic post of the summer. As most folks know, I’m a pessimist at heart, but this division is so weak The Tigers could win the division at 84-78. Of course, I wouldn’t like their chances in the playoffs, but the 73 Mets, the 87 Twins, and the 06 Cards were barely above .500, good hot and won pennants.

There, you have my one optimistic post of the summer.

]]> By: ian (seattle) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121014 ian (seattle) Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:28:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121014 Im suggesting that the catcher has some influence over the game that HE is calling..and since Justin was struggling before Dane came into this season (he is wild, and gets anxious) that its not a far stretch to think Dane- like most Hawaiins, brought a calm persona to the field that helped JV keep focused on the game at hand. And then I think its also not impossible that Laird talked to Dane and payed attention to their success and started implementing into his games with JV. If you think Justin magically got better after a couple crappy starts just because he is so awesome, then I wonder how you can explain last season. Laird has winning % with JV just over 50% this year, whereas Dane is undefeated for him..so if you want to keep blasting me for suggesting theory that works with facts that back it up, then feel free. Its a free country. Im suggesting that the catcher has some influence over the game that HE is calling..and since Justin was struggling before Dane came into this season (he is wild, and gets anxious) that its not a far stretch to think Dane- like most Hawaiins, brought a calm persona to the field that helped JV keep focused on the game at hand.

And then I think its also not impossible that Laird talked to Dane and payed attention to their success and started implementing into his games with JV.

If you think Justin magically got better after a couple crappy starts just because he is so awesome, then I wonder how you can explain last season.

Laird has winning % with JV just over 50% this year, whereas Dane is undefeated for him..so if you want to keep blasting me for suggesting theory that works with facts that back it up, then feel free. Its a free country.

]]> By: Dave http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121012 Dave Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:10:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/game-2009-063-tigers-at-pirates/#comment-121012 Man, this is looking grim. With the disintegration of Willis and Bonderman and to a slightly lesser extent, Galarraga, what had the potential to become a formidable rotation is in turmoil. We have no idea what to expect from Rodney from one appearance to the next. And we can't buy a run. I can't believe I'm writing this about a first place team. Thank God it's a long season and we play in the AL Central. Its time to release Willis and Robertson - there's nothing there. They have big contracts but that doesn't seem to impress opposing hitters too much. We know they can't get outs - maybe somebody else can. Man, this is looking grim.

With the disintegration of Willis and Bonderman and to a slightly lesser extent, Galarraga, what had the potential to become a formidable rotation is in turmoil. We have no idea what to expect from Rodney from one appearance to the next. And we can’t buy a run.

I can’t believe I’m writing this about a first place team. Thank God it’s a long season and we play in the AL Central.

Its time to release Willis and Robertson – there’s nothing there. They have big contracts but that doesn’t seem to impress opposing hitters too much. We know they can’t get outs – maybe somebody else can.

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