Comments on: Faster than fast – the quickest pitches of 2009 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:59:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Zumaya injured, planet continues to rotate http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-123636 Zumaya injured, planet continues to rotate Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:48:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-123636 [...] hard to say whether the arm pain has played into any of those or not. Zumaya is still throwing the ball hard and the fact he has all his velocity after his litany of injuries is amazing in and of itself. But [...] [...] hard to say whether the arm pain has played into any of those or not. Zumaya is still throwing the ball hard and the fact he has all his velocity after his litany of injuries is amazing in and of itself. But [...]

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122405 billfer Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:37:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122405 Oh, I'm sure he's given up homers on pitches over 100. He throws so many of them that it's bound to happen. I remember the Griffey one, and I remember one against the Orioles last year. It's a reason I'm not upset with him throwing the change-up. Oh, I’m sure he’s given up homers on pitches over 100. He throws so many of them that it’s bound to happen. I remember the Griffey one, and I remember one against the Orioles last year. It’s a reason I’m not upset with him throwing the change-up.

]]> By: Coach Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122360 Coach Jim Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:32:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122360 There are 2 elements to mound work, throwing and pitching. I think the intent of this was supposed to illustrate how dominating Joel can THROW. Simply put, Joel Zumaya has the best arm in the majors. Sure, the pitching part (control/command/deception) can be erratic, but that's true of everyone to some degree. Let's not run the guy out of town like Jason Grilli because he had an off day. I prefer to look forward to his ON days. There are 2 elements to mound work, throwing and pitching. I think the intent of this was supposed to illustrate how dominating Joel can THROW. Simply put, Joel Zumaya has the best arm in the majors. Sure, the pitching part (control/command/deception) can be erratic, but that’s true of everyone to some degree. Let’s not run the guy out of town like Jason Grilli because he had an off day. I prefer to look forward to his ON days.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122345 Keith (Mr. X) Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:15:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122345 Halladay is a pleasure to watch, even when he beats the Tigers. Carpenter is awesome now too, but early in his career he was not nearly this good. He had some poor seasons in Toronto. Santana is probably the best of the bunch. Early in his career, I had doubts that he'd make it as a starting pitcher. I didn't think he had the endurance to go deep into games and I thought he was too injury prone. Man, was I ever wrong. I try not to make assumptions like that anymore about any pitcher. Grienke was not so great early on also. Porcello is just a prodigy. We are lucky to have him. Halladay is a pleasure to watch, even when he beats the Tigers.

Carpenter is awesome now too, but early in his career he was not nearly this good. He had some poor seasons in Toronto.

Santana is probably the best of the bunch. Early in his career, I had doubts that he’d make it as a starting pitcher. I didn’t think he had the endurance to go deep into games and I thought he was too injury prone. Man, was I ever wrong. I try not to make assumptions like that anymore about any pitcher.

Grienke was not so great early on also.

Porcello is just a prodigy. We are lucky to have him.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122344 David Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:39:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122344 LOL How dominant would a rotation of lets say Roy Halladay, Chris Carpenter, Zack Greinke, Rick Porcello and Johan Santana? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6134/splits;_ylt=An7X.5ewHQC_V_V9IJDByLuFCLcF?year=career&type=Pitching Did you realize that in his(Roy's) career he is 12-2 against the Tigers with an ERA of 2.19 in 119 IP and a WHIP of .92? He dominates us the most out of any other AL opponent. LOL

How dominant would a rotation of lets say

Roy Halladay, Chris Carpenter, Zack Greinke, Rick Porcello and Johan Santana?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....e=Pitching

Did you realize that in his(Roy’s) career he is 12-2 against the Tigers with an ERA of 2.19 in 119 IP and a WHIP of .92?

He dominates us the most out of any other AL opponent.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122343 David Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:31:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122343 Oh, I wonder if that has held true for years past... http://www.fangraphs.com/wins.aspx?date=2006-05-20&team=Tigers&dh=0&season=2006 That was one of the biggest hrs he gave up that I was physically present for, it was to Ken Griffy Jr in 2006 (I believe he threw the pitch at 100+ and it went out at 100+ ). It was hit far back near the foul pole in RF. Not sure where I could find data on that, assuming of course that someone had tracked & recorded it. Oh, I wonder if that has held true for years past…

http://www.fangraphs.com/wins......eason=2006

That was one of the biggest hrs he gave up that I was physically present for, it was to Ken Griffy Jr in 2006 (I believe he threw the pitch at 100+ and it went out at 100+ ). It was hit far back near the foul pole in RF.

Not sure where I could find data on that, assuming of course that someone had tracked & recorded it.

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122342 Keith (Mr. X) Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:30:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122342 It sometimes takes a few years of experience for even the best. Roy Halladay had a 10.64 ERA and a 2.20 WHIP back in the year 2000 season when he was 23 years old. He gave up 42 walks and 107 hits in just 67.2 innings. I don't remember Zumaya ever being that terrible. It sometimes takes a few years of experience for even the best. Roy Halladay had a 10.64 ERA and a 2.20 WHIP back in the year 2000 season when he was 23 years old. He gave up 42 walks and 107 hits in just 67.2 innings.

I don’t remember Zumaya ever being that terrible.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122341 billfer Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:50:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122341 I'd take Roy Halladay over pretty much anyone too. I’d take Roy Halladay over pretty much anyone too.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122338 billfer Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:36:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122338 None. He gave up 5 singles on those pitches. None. He gave up 5 singles on those pitches.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122331 David Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:55:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122331 How many were smacked for extra bases? How many were smacked for extra bases?

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122330 David Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:53:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122330 Well said Jud. I'd take Smokey Joe Wood or Roy Halladay (both who threw/throw hard but knew/know how to locate) over a flamethrower any day of the week. Again it isn't how hard you throw that determines your success, it is being able to execute location and being able to play the mental chess game. Velocity is a plus and flashy(oooooooo, ahhhhhhhhhh) but not nearly as crucial as either location and movement. It is the same in fielding. You can have the strongest arm in the world, but if it isn't accurate - it's useless. Well said Jud.

I’d take Smokey Joe Wood or Roy Halladay (both who threw/throw hard but knew/know how to locate) over a flamethrower any day of the week.

Again it isn’t how hard you throw that determines your success, it is being able to execute location and being able to play the mental chess game. Velocity is a plus and flashy(oooooooo, ahhhhhhhhhh) but not nearly as crucial as either location and movement.

It is the same in fielding. You can have the strongest arm in the world, but if it isn’t accurate – it’s useless.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122327 billfer Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:06:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122327 Just to answer the next question, 27 of those 84 pitches were balls, 15 were put in play, 9 were called strikes, 13 fouls, and 18 swinging strkes. Just to answer the next question, 27 of those 84 pitches were balls, 15 were put in play, 9 were called strikes, 13 fouls, and 18 swinging strkes.

]]> By: jud http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122326 jud Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:35:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122326 the difference between Nolan Ryan and Joel Zumaya is not in the arm..its between the ears......... the difference between Nolan Ryan and Joel Zumaya is not in the arm..its between the ears………

]]> By: Keith (Mr. X) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122322 Keith (Mr. X) Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:10:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122322 Well some here might remember Nolan Ryan. He walked over 200 hitters a few times during a single season. In 1972, when Ryan was 24, Zumaya's age, he walked 116 with 137 k's in 152 innings, with a 1.52 WHIP, and a 3.97 ERA. The Mets were stupid as heck and traded him after that season. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I'd hate to see us make the same mistake. Zumaya without question has more potential to dominate than any pitcher in currently in the game. I'm not kidding either. The radar gun proves that. We just got to be patient with him and give him plenty of time to learn his craft. Keep in mind Zumaya has overcome a few major injuries already. The kid is amazing. Well some here might remember Nolan Ryan. He walked over 200 hitters a few times during a single season. In 1972, when Ryan was 24, Zumaya’s age, he walked 116 with 137 k’s in 152 innings, with a 1.52 WHIP, and a 3.97 ERA. The Mets were stupid as heck and traded him after that season. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I’d hate to see us make the same mistake.

Zumaya without question has more potential to dominate than any pitcher in currently in the game. I’m not kidding either. The radar gun proves that. We just got to be patient with him and give him plenty of time to learn his craft. Keep in mind Zumaya has overcome a few major injuries already. The kid is amazing.

]]> By: ian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122320 ian Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:30:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/06/faster-than-fast-the-quickest-pitches-of-2009/#comment-122320 he was clocked at 105 last night but rod said the astros gun was way off. must have freaked out the crowd though..until he walked in a run. he was clocked at 105 last night but rod said the astros gun was way off. must have freaked out the crowd though..until he walked in a run.

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