Game 2009.032: Tigers at Twins

PREGAME: It is merely coincidence that Dontrelle’s first takes place alongside the Lost Season Finale right? It isn’t a harbinger of things to come right? Headline writers won’t be able to point to some combination of Lost Season or Finale to describe this game right?

Well, here’s hoping that Dontrelle Willis maybe visited the island and his control problems have been cured. Willis is making his season debut as his DL (anxiety disorder) stint concluded after starts for Lakeland, Erie, and Toledo . Each stop saw an improvement in command over what we witnessed last year. Still his combined 26.7 innings pitched saw 9 walks, 3 homers, 16 K’s, and 23 hits so he wasn’t exactly dominating.

I have no idea what to expect tonight. I’m rooting for Willis, not only as a Tigers fan but because he seems to be one of the good guys.

Lefty Glen Perkins is on the mound for the Twins. There was a time when the Tigers hammered lefty pitching. That time isn’t now. Perkins started the year with 3 straight 8 inning outings where he allowed a total of 4 runs. Since then he hasn’t recorded an out in the 7th and has allowed at least 4 runs each game.

Detroit vs. Minnesota – May 13, 2009 | MLB.com: Gameday

POSTGAME: This game deserves more analysis than what I’m about to offer up, but it’s 1 a.m. and I’m grumpy. Bringing Brandon Lyon out for the last inning was stupid. Leaving him in was beyond stupid. It’s almost hard to believe that a guy that is used to throwing 1 to 2 innings hung a curve ball on pitch number 60. Unless Nate Robertson was on life support this was incredibly freaking stupid.

Information coming in that Robertson is injured and Lucas French is on his way from Toledo. This news makes the above paragraph, well, misguided would be an understatement. You can backtrack on various pitcher usage through the game and look for things that could be done differently, but there is a point where you can’t plan for a 14 inning game.

191 Comments

  1. Ryan P.

    May 13, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Hmm. 2 hours of Lost…Dontrelle…going to be a tough night.

  2. Joel in Seattle

    May 13, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    LOL…

    Vote for your favorite Lost character/Tigers player equivalents!

    I’m hoping that Willis = Desmond (the only character with a remotely happy ending so far)

    • Kyle J

      May 13, 2009 at 3:16 pm

      I vote/hope for Willis = Locke. Miraculous resurrection from the dead, with bonus mojo.

      • Joel in Seattle

        May 13, 2009 at 3:18 pm

        I’d put him as Locke if he pulled an Ankiel and came back as a power-hitting position player. :)

  3. David

    May 13, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Whats the definition of a “good guy”? I’m rooting for him too, but not expecting too much. Considering we’ve got the streaking JV going tomorrow I’d like a series win with extra pickles. I wouldn’t mind if he walked Mauer every time he gets up. Possibly Morneau also.

    Over the last seven days Mauer is 11 for 19(.579 BA) with 9 RBI. His OPS is nearly 1.800 .

  4. Brian P

    May 13, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    As I read this, I kept associating “Lost Season” with 2008 and “Finale” with our last game against Minnesota. Woops.

  5. Matt

    May 13, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    I got a bad feeling about tonight.

    Honestly, I just can’t picture D-train coming out and delivering a dominant performance. God, I hope I’m wrong.

  6. Brian P

    May 13, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Bonderman will start his rehab assignment this Saturday.

  7. greg

    May 13, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    David –

    Good Guy – a man,boy, or fellow, who is morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious, or simply of a favorable character or tendency .

  8. David

    May 13, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Greg aren’t morals subjective? Same with virtue.

    Personally I don’t care if Dtrain is an ahole if he can pitch. If he can’t that is just another strike against him, no pun intended.

    • Eric Cioe

      May 13, 2009 at 4:55 pm

      Kant certainly doesn’t think that morals are subjective. Well, he would probably say that there are permutations among societies, but that the categorical imperative, “never treat others as means only, always also as ends,” or “only act on that maxim that can be universalized,” is constant.

      Virtue is harder, I think.

      • Mark in Chicago

        May 13, 2009 at 5:33 pm

        This blog has reached new levels, as Eric introduces Kant into the conversation.

        Smartest baseball blog on the web. Hands down.

        • Brian P

          May 13, 2009 at 5:48 pm

          There was talk of Locke above. I was wondering how John Locke had anything to do with baseball. Again, my lack of Lost familiarity shames me.

      • David

        May 13, 2009 at 8:46 pm

        Yea I’d rather go with Nietzsche and Sartre. Not Kant.

  9. David

    May 13, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Bryan P I lol’d at your first comment. I don’t watch LOST, so I almost associated it with Dtrain’s career before I read the rest of the sentence.
    :D

  10. Dylan

    May 13, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    I’m rooting for D-Train as well. It’s either going to be a nice story or a sad story. The next month or so probably will make or break the rest of his career.

  11. stephen

    May 13, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but tonight is literally the most important night of Dontrelle Willis’s young life. A muddling performance is all he needs, but if he goes 2 innings, five walks, four hits etc the chances of this ending well are not great. He just has to go five innings and be competitive. I hope it happens.

    • Dylan

      May 13, 2009 at 7:33 pm

      Now that will definitely help his anxiety issues… But it’s the flat out truth.

  12. Mr. Jimmy

    May 13, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I will be rooting very hard for D-Train tonight. FWIW, I think it does matter whether someone is a “good guy” or not. I could not root for someone like Barry Bonds, not because of the steroid issue, but because he just seems like a big jerk.

  13. Mark in Chicago

    May 13, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Dontrelle had some big-time nerves going and struggles in the first inning or two. If that happens and he can settle down, maybe that’s a good sign.

    Basically, he needs something positive to happen tonight.

  14. MCM

    May 13, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    How ’bout the Tiger bats coming alive tonight to support and boost D-Train’s confidence – nothing like a few runs in the first to help squelch Dontrelle’s inevitable early inning jitters.

  15. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    I hope Willis pitches well, just so that some fans will give the Tigers a 2nd chance. I’d think that the winning 1st place record and the 3.92 team ERA would be redemption enough, but it isn’t.

    Whatever the outcome, I hope it’s a good game. Not sure what I’ll be watching yet, but whatever happens, happens.

  16. mcb

    May 13, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Well I guess only Perkins gets an inside strike tonight.

  17. Dylan

    May 13, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Sigh. Leadoff walk. Come on Dontrelle.

  18. Brian P

    May 13, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Dontrelle is absolutely getting squeezed inside.

  19. ouchudied

    May 13, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    There ya go, Dontrelle.

  20. Dylan

    May 13, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    So D-Train started out around 88 then it seems like he just let it loose and is throwing 93-95. Nerves at first? Thinking too hard about throwing a strike? Just pitch D-Train.

  21. mcb

    May 13, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I hate the twins.

  22. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 13, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Goodness Maggs. This isn’t 2007. Take a pitch.

    Has anyone looked at first pitch stats in a while? I’d love to be able to see what our stats are for the first and second pitch as a team.

  23. charlie

    May 13, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    2 innings-16 pitches. perkins can pitch into the 14 th inning at this rate. sigh. ok dtrain settle down…good luck

  24. Jeff

    May 13, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    What’s sad is that he is throwing strikes (22/14), especially when you consider those two strike threes that weren’t called. One crushed ball and two weak singles and he’s in deep doo-doo. I’m more worried about his psyche than anything else right now.

  25. mcb

    May 13, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    No consistency from ump.

  26. David

    May 13, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    He’s been pumping too many fastballs. Looks like Todd Jones.

    And I wish he would have pitched around Justin like I said before the game :(

  27. Jeff

    May 13, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    If they’re going to jump on the first pitch, I’d prefer it if they’d swing at pitches that are grooved, not just ones that might be called strikes. This isn’t a game of PONG.

  28. mcb

    May 13, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    We do not come into any game with a plan for our hitters. Just go up there and swing away.

  29. charlie

    May 13, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    this game was never really about our hitting…it was about willis and things haven’t been so bad considering. it would be nice to see a couple of 1-2-3 innings before he’s done ofr the night.

  30. billfer

    May 13, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Tigers are down 3-0, but Willis has not been the weakest link so far. Cabrera playing first with his head up his butt and an offense that has seen 24 pitches in 3 innings. I don’t hate first pitch swinging, but this is freakin pathetic.

  31. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 13, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    I mean, the first pitch thing has to be coming from the hitting coach. I’m not gonna argue with a first place perch, but it seems that we could make adjustments depending on the pitcher.

  32. Brian P

    May 13, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    A 10 pitch inning! Success!

  33. billfer

    May 13, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Wow, they took some pitches and good stuff happened. Where would we be without Adam Everett’s offense?

    • Mark in Chicago

      May 13, 2009 at 9:24 pm

      It’s sad that you have to say that, billfer.

  34. Nick S

    May 13, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    I don’t think d-train did bad, but he didn’t do great either. I agree he did throw a lot of fast balls. At least he threw strikes.

    If somebody other then Maggs had been in right that one ball would have been caught. Then Miggy missed that catch.

  35. mcb

    May 13, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    I agree; we can’t hang this one on Willis if we don’t come back. He deserves another start.

  36. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Um Larish, it’s called moving the runner over, give it a try…

  37. Andrew in Toronto

    May 13, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    If Leyland had kept Willis in for one more batter, he’d be in line for his first win as a Tiger now.

  38. mcb

    May 13, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Inge moved him over :-)

  39. Joey in Portland OR

    May 13, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    CRUSHED! Atta boy Bran!

  40. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Not watching the game, but attaboy Inge!! Lost is just too good not to watch.

  41. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    INGE!!! Binge dings one!

  42. David

    May 13, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    INGE!!!

    And yes Cabrera sucks at first. He is horrible.

    And it is sad that Everett is outhitting Ordonez, I hope that isn’t the case come mid-July.

  43. stephen

    May 13, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Man, I know everyone is trying to be nice about Willis but this isn’t the Special Olympics. He had ten baserunners in 4 2/3 innings. That is not success by any stretch of the imagination.

    • Mr. X

      May 13, 2009 at 10:17 pm

      He threw strikes though and only gave up 2 walks. IMO, he deserves to pitch on this team more than Brandon Lyon.

  44. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    But Willis ended up out pitching Perkins. How about that.

  45. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 13, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Nice 4 pitch walk, keep ‘em guessing Miner. Now drop the hammer!

  46. stephen

    May 13, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Re: Lost. It’s now season five and they’re still on the island, right? Now there’s a narrative arc!

  47. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 13, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Can someone explain to me why we pitched out (according to gameday) with a guy on 3rd? Were they really worried that Span was gonna steal home?

  48. Mark in Chicago

    May 13, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    At least the White Sox lost (man I enjoy saying that).

  49. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 13, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Miggy gets a first pitch exemption.

    • Coleman

      May 13, 2009 at 10:53 pm

      Actually I have been following the pitch count stats, and they don’t all confirm initial impressions.

      For instance not only is Maggs swinging at fewer 1st pitches than usual, but he has so far a career-high Pitches/Plate Appearance average.

      Maggs 1st pitch swing % 2009: 34% 2008 41% 2007 40% career: 37%
      Maggs PPA: 2009: 3.96 (3rd best on DET) 2008: 3.52 2007: 3.68 career: 3.56

  50. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Wow. I just turned the game back on for a second and Miggy hits a 3 run bomb.

  51. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Now THAT’S how to break out of a slump! Inge-Cabrera, Slumpbuster Brothers!

  52. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Ooh is Uncle Smokey steaming!!

  53. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 13, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    That ump is gonna get disciplined for that crap.

  54. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Leyland must want to catch the rest of Lost too!

  55. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Leyland is the Smoke Monster?

  56. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Larish!!

  57. Jim

    May 13, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Who the hell is Paul Schrieber and why is he touching Magglio?

  58. Mark in Chicago

    May 13, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    ummmmmmmmm what just happened?

  59. David G.

    May 13, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    This is actually a fun game but I can only flip over during commercials unless I want to watch in non-HD and miss Lost. Not a huge fan of the latter but it’s mildly entertaining and the wife watches.

  60. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Arby’s BABY!

  61. Vanguy

    May 13, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Wild game – Go Tigers!

  62. Mike R

    May 13, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    I have said it before, and I’ll say it again: Umpires instigate wayyyyyy too much in the Major Leagues.

  63. David G.

    May 13, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    I thought his strike zone was pretty poor when Dontrelle was in the game. Not sure how much it impacted things cause it looked to me like DW no longer has an out pitch or anything effective offspeed but I definitely thought he got hooked on a few pitches.

  64. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    @David yeah, Lost was a dilemma for me too but I had to see the Willis start. I’ll probably either download the former later or watch it on ABC.com

    Don’t tell me what happens.

  65. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    So far Willis has had the best pitching line in this game.

  66. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    What’s all this then? Lifting Seay mid-AB? McClendon is crazier than the Smoke Monster.

    • Chris

      May 13, 2009 at 10:56 pm

      Was that some kind of strategic move? I would think it would be a disadvantage for the hitter, so long as Zumaya was going to throw strikes.

      • Adam

        May 13, 2009 at 10:58 pm

        And it turned out that way. Bobby looked flabbergasted though.

  67. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    INGE: 4 PA, 3AB, 3H, 1BB, 1HR, 2RBI

  68. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Oh man. I don’t want Rodney to pitch. Thinking about it makes me nauseous.

    • Adam

      May 13, 2009 at 11:13 pm

      Never freaking mind.

  69. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    OMG. The Lost ending was unreal.

  70. Joey in Portland OR

    May 13, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Crud. I was hoping 9 would be enough!

  71. Mike R

    May 13, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    So, what do we have to do to get Joel to re-learn his change-up? It was voted BEST IN THE ORGANIZATION by Baseball America in 2005. It’s been abandoned. Given his lack of consistency with the breaking ball (in terms of throwing it for strikes), why not go with the change-up?

  72. Chris

    May 13, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    God I hate the twins. Kubel, Mauer, Morneau, Crede: I’d like to kick each one of them in the teeth.

    • Adam

      May 13, 2009 at 11:52 pm

      Go get your anger issues worked out somewhere else.

  73. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Willis still has the best line.

  74. David G.

    May 13, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Save Big Money at Menard’s.

  75. David G.

    May 13, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    Wow, what do you do with Inge here? Almost have to bunt but I doubt they will.

  76. Mr. X

    May 13, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Talk about a lucky DP.

  77. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Dang. Rodney’s going to pitch anyway.

    Prepare for a walk-off. Not that I want that.

  78. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    That single was practically a bunt, he just stuck his bat out over the plate and the next thing you know the ball’s bouncing into CF…I guess that’s the other side of the 101mph pitch coin…

  79. David G.

    May 13, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Ok, boys, let’s get some runs w/ the top of the order.

  80. David G.

    May 13, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    I take it the offending comment was deleted.

  81. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    I say send Santiago out to PH for Sardine-head…

    • Chris

      May 13, 2009 at 11:40 pm

      I agree. If you need a back-up catcher to Laird, you always have Inge.

  82. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    “It’s funny he would swing at the 1st pitch…” No, Rod, actually NOT FUNNY AT ALL.
    Why not Santiago there?

    It must be Laird’s impressive game yesterday…
    AB1: K (3 pitches)
    AB2: Popup RF (1 pitch)
    AB3: Groundout to P (1 pitch)
    AB4: *Lifted for PH*
    (0-3, 1K…5 pitches total!)

    So Lloyd picks him the pinch-hitter tonight?? 1-pitch groundout, who woulda thought??

    If you don’t want to use your last guy on the bench, then why not just leave Sardine-head in?

    • Chris

      May 13, 2009 at 11:51 pm

      …pretty boneheaded… pinch hitting with the guy who is in the biggest slump on the team.

  83. Tim D

    May 13, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    So what’s the consensus on Willis? Did he have anything on the ball? Did he have to take something off to get it over? Did he have any rhythm, challenge the hitters? If he could be just crappy it would be an improvement. Any Lakelandites see Bondo throw Monday? Who will check out his rehab? Will he be in GR Saturday?

    • Adam

      May 13, 2009 at 11:51 pm

      He’ll pitch again next trip. Good movement on pitches, some tough-luck hits. Up to 94.

    • billfer

      May 13, 2009 at 11:54 pm

      Different guy than last year. He was going after guys, throwing 93ish. When he was missing, it was for the most part around the zone, not all over the place.

    • Mr. X

      May 14, 2009 at 12:09 am

      There was some zip on his fastball when I was watching. His composure was good. He didn’t pounce around like a nutcase. His leg kick wasn’t all over the place either. He actually looked like a normal pitcher out there. Now that he got this game under his belt, I think he’ll do much better the next time out.

  84. Ryan P.

    May 13, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    I cannot stand this Metrodome camera angle. I can’t wait until I never have to see it again.

    • Mike R

      May 14, 2009 at 12:36 am

      I much, much prefer it. Lets you see the break on a pitcher’s pitch from both LH and RH’s.

  85. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Oh great, Rod just jinxed us for tomorrow too…”and Verlander, he could go 9-innings tomorrow, he’s that good right now…”

    • Adam

      May 13, 2009 at 11:53 pm

      Yeah, not at the Dome. IT WOULD BE AWESOME THOUGH.

  86. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    OK, who else just had a momentary, uncomfortable WS ’06 flashback?

  87. Coleman

    May 13, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    OK, for the love of Milt Cuyler, DON’T hit the GIDP ball please!

    • Coleman

      May 14, 2009 at 12:00 am

      Nevermind….@!#**!

      I guess Miggy must have caught it from Carlos before he hit the DL…

  88. Adam

    May 13, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Woo Brandon Lyon. Yeah, we’re going to pull this one out.

  89. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:01 am

    I’ve only been watching since the 8th inning but…this ump sure has a…special…strike zone.

  90. Vince in MN

    May 14, 2009 at 12:01 am

    Must be about gum time, don’t yu think?

  91. Chris

    May 14, 2009 at 12:02 am

    This sucks

  92. Joey in Portland OR

    May 14, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Lyon is in, the suspense is over of who is going win.

  93. David G.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Well, having the lead was fun while it lasted. Don’t like our chances with Lyon pretty much in control till futher notice.

  94. Chris

    May 14, 2009 at 12:06 am

    … remember how he was suppose to be our closer?… Man, that would not have been a good idea.

  95. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 12:13 am

    Get this out, we win the game.

  96. Andrew in Toronto

    May 14, 2009 at 12:13 am

    Royals losing 7-1 now, at least.

  97. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:19 am

    I’ve about had it with these double plays.

  98. billfer

    May 14, 2009 at 12:22 am

    A second inning of Lyon hasn’t been a recipe for success this year. But Nate is the only one left in the pen.

  99. ouchudied

    May 14, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Nice pick there, Miggy.

  100. David G.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Very, very frustrating. Inge up twice in a marginal bunting situation was aggravating cause that’s a D’ed if you do D’ed if you don’t. But just made a nice play.

    • Coleman

      May 14, 2009 at 12:29 am

      And Inge almost never hits into the GIDP either, so you know it’s a bad omen when he does it (he had 4 last season in 407 PA).

  101. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Mmmmkay, that one scared me.

  102. David G.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Sit Down, Gomez.

  103. David

    May 14, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Wow this is a long game. I want to hear what Leyland has to say in the postgame.

    • ouchudied

      May 14, 2009 at 12:29 am

      “That one lasted about a whole damn pack”

  104. David G.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Nice. But I guess it’s down to Nate.

  105. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:32 am

    YEAH GRANDY. You guys better freaking score him.

  106. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 12:32 am

    GRANDY!

  107. Mr. X

    May 14, 2009 at 12:33 am

    Watching Lyon pitch is just exhausting. We got lucky to leave him in that long and the game not being over yet. On another note, I miss Leyland. He sure does manage a better game than Gene Lamont.

    WTG Granderson!!!

  108. ouchudied

    May 14, 2009 at 12:33 am

    Grandy!!!

    Can’t believe its his first triple of the year, guess he’s just been smashing homers.

  109. Coleman

    May 14, 2009 at 12:33 am

    I guess Laird is conserving energy…total pitches seen yesterday: 3 AB, 5 pitches.
    Today: 2 AB, 2 pitches.

  110. billfer

    May 14, 2009 at 12:35 am

    Ummmm. How is Nate not warming up? Lyon’s over 30 pitches, and those last 3 balls were hammered. Don’t hang the guy out to dry.

  111. Mike R

    May 14, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Agree with Bill. How is Nate not warming up?

  112. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Ach, c’mon Polly…

  113. Adam

    May 14, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Get Nate! WTF McClendon?

  114. Joe S

    May 14, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Great. Bases juiced, Lyon on the mound. Not good.

  115. Coleman

    May 14, 2009 at 12:58 am

    Oh yippee and it comes down to bases loaded with @!##*! Crede up…

  116. Joe S

    May 14, 2009 at 12:58 am

    Yup.

  117. Mr. X

    May 14, 2009 at 12:59 am

    Who is managing this? Give me a break. Lyon was so used up.

  118. billfer

    May 14, 2009 at 12:59 am

    You can’t hang this on Lyon. This is on Mclendon. Having lyon out there was idiotic.

    • Adam

      May 14, 2009 at 1:00 am

      Or on Leyland getting himself tossed. Gotta defend that though.

  119. jud

    May 14, 2009 at 12:59 am

    where’s Nate ????????

  120. Joe S

    May 14, 2009 at 1:00 am

    The pitching was mis-managed. Lyon should have never been in that position. Ugh I am so frustrated right now. I can’t believe I stayed up to watch Crede do that to us again.

  121. jud

    May 14, 2009 at 1:00 am

    poor coaching hey someone wake jimmiy up back there

  122. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 1:00 am

    Did the site go down for everyone, or just me? That was weird. Terrible time for it to come back up.

    • Ryan P.

      May 14, 2009 at 1:03 am

      Yeah, it went down.

  123. brad

    May 14, 2009 at 1:00 am

    what the crap! worst part is that this highlight will be replaying on sportscenter for the next few days.

  124. Mr. X

    May 14, 2009 at 1:01 am

    Tigers need to hire a bench coach for these situations. I can’t figure out why we don’t have one. This was the worst piece of managing I’ve ever witnessed.

  125. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 1:02 am

    That’s the stupidest &^$#ing thing I’ve seen all season. WHY would you let one of your weakest relievers, having already thrown a ton of pitches, when the last three batters CRUSHED the ball, come out for another inning. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I don’t even know what to say. You suck, McClendon. &*^$ing pathetic.

    • Adrian from Toronto

      May 14, 2009 at 1:10 am

      now we know why McClendon is the HITTING coach…what a moron…and as a side note, Nate is in like the biggest doghouse ever right now

  126. Vanguy

    May 14, 2009 at 1:03 am

    Lyon’s * 60th * pitch sails over the fence for a 14-10 Twins win.

  127. Vince in MN

    May 14, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Jim Leyland and his inability to handle a pitching staff. Where have we seen this before?

    • billfer

      May 14, 2009 at 1:06 am

      This was Mclendon. But stupid regardless.

    • Mr. X

      May 14, 2009 at 1:07 am

      Leyland was ejected back in the 7th inning.

  128. Kris in SJC

    May 14, 2009 at 1:05 am

    What a vote of non-confidence in Robertson.

    Gave this one away – he has sucked previous to this – but this was completely unfair to Lyon

  129. Adrian from Toronto

    May 14, 2009 at 1:07 am

    I agree with Billfer WHY WAS LYON out there

    oh man this stings

    if JV loses tomorrow …. :(

  130. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 1:08 am

    No big deal guys, just one game. Entertaining as hell. Willis was better than expected, he may be able to win a few games for us this year.

    Offense looked good. Nathan won’t be avail tomorrow for JV’s masterpiece. Min always gets us.

  131. Mr. X

    May 14, 2009 at 1:09 am

    At least we didn’t balk in the winning run. That would of hurt even more.

  132. Eric Cioe

    May 14, 2009 at 1:09 am

    Word is on the back channels that Robertson got injured today, and Luke French is on his way up. That certainly explains 60 pitches from Lyon. Pretty gutty outing, if you ask me. He pitched real well for about 40 of those pitches, too.

  133. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 1:10 am

    Wow, great sources Eric.

  134. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 1:11 am

    If Lyon was the last available reliever, it was still mismanaged. Rodney should have been asked to throw another inning.

    • Adrian from Toronto

      May 14, 2009 at 1:14 am

      NO! your kidding right?

      • Ryan P.

        May 14, 2009 at 1:24 am

        I’m no fan of Rodney’s, but I’d rather see 2 from Rodney and 2 from Lyon than 1 from Rodney and 3 from Lyon. A third inning from an average reliever is never, ever good.

  135. Lee Panas

    May 14, 2009 at 1:12 am

    The source was a relative of a Tigers player over at motownsports. He’s usually pretty reliable.

    • Adrian from Toronto

      May 14, 2009 at 1:15 am

      why French? isn’t he a starter?

      • Lee Panas

        May 14, 2009 at 1:18 am

        He started in the minors but I think he projects more as a reliever in the majors.

  136. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 1:15 am

    So now we know that a) Lee and Eric have few skeletons in their closet and are willing to use their full names, or b) made up their names (genius) and c) drink on Wednesday nights.

  137. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 1:15 am

    c) drink together that is.

  138. Mike R

    May 14, 2009 at 1:16 am

    If Nate is hurt, that would definitely explain it. If he’s not hurt, McClendon should have to cough up his pay check for the game to a charity or something.

  139. Eric Cioe

    May 14, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Lee and I go way back. We grew up together in an Eastern European country.

  140. Kris in SJC

    May 14, 2009 at 1:19 am

    I hate Joe Crede as much as I hate the Twins.

    The magic of 2006 – we put a severe beating on the Twinkies. If I take this as a proxy…well I don’t want to go there.

  141. jud

    May 14, 2009 at 1:20 am

    if Robertson was indeed hurt I would have put Inge in to throw

    and like Ryan posted why didn’t Rodney go two…new pitching coach and everything and they still can’t get it right…You know Jimmy was sitting on a stool 5 feet from Mc Clendon calling the shots around the corner…or he was on a run to the drug store getting a pack of smokes…either way this sucked

  142. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Liars. Those aren’t EE names. Though I do appreciate the drinking on a Wed. If you guys make it down to Dallas, I’ll buy you several rounds and tell you about my Ernie Harwell 1984 tape that I found in a used car once.

  143. Mr. X

    May 14, 2009 at 1:39 am

    Nate hasn’t pitched in a game for 8 days. Why are they just discovering that he’s injured right now? Nate could of been DL’d before they DFA’d Rincon.

  144. Kevin in Austin (now Dallas)

    May 14, 2009 at 2:02 am

    Just to clarify, Nate got injured during a pen session?

    (BTW – props to DTW and the users, best Tigers info avail)

  145. David

    May 14, 2009 at 2:25 am

    Yea Inge shoulda pitched. Leaving Lyon out there was crazy, even if Nate is injured. And why would you only throw Rodney 1 inning?

    It was a darn good game though. Besides the losing.

    I called the Granny btw. It was hilarious. I’m like “oh here is fu**ing Crede, I bet he hits a Granny.” :D

  146. David

    May 14, 2009 at 2:28 am

    I’d like a win tomorrow Justin please. I’ll take a winning 4-3 road trip.

  147. Ryan

    May 14, 2009 at 2:31 am

    Why didn’t we put in a starter? That might sound a bit crazy, but at the same time, losing a game like this could start a huge skid.

    • Adrian from Toronto

      May 14, 2009 at 2:34 am

      last year it would have, but this is 2009, i hope to god ur wrong

  148. Eric Cioe

    May 14, 2009 at 2:40 am

    Verlander absolutely has to pitch 7 innings tomorrow. The bullpen’s going to be Luke French and Fernando Rodney. Miner might be available in a pinch, I guess. Probably not Perry.

  149. David

    May 14, 2009 at 5:37 am

    Hey Eric I was just looking at Motown Sports, and saw you have a s-load of posts. What is the difference between that and here…anything? Or do a lot of the guys overlap? I’ve never posted there, it looks interesting.

    • Eric Cioe

      May 14, 2009 at 11:05 am

      Different animals. Billfer does a great job on this blog, and it’s the one I read the most of the Tigers blog, though I also like Lee’s and Eddie’s. Motown Sports game threads are pretty dumb, but there are a lot of cool people there, and we have some good discussions. I’m sure you’ll find friends there.

  150. scotsw

    May 14, 2009 at 9:00 am

    A point:

    The pitching staff’s efficiency sucked last night. The Tigers averaged over 20 pitches/inning — a total of 255 pitches in under 13 innings. Too many full counts, and not enough Ks or double plays.

    Willis and Zumaya were the best, I thought. Willis threw 53 of 87 pitches for strikes, and probably got jobbed on a handful of others. Zumaya was left in a long time, but put 33 of 47 over for strikes.

    Stat of the game: Tigers pitchers notched 5 strikeouts in over 13 innings; The Twins got 11.

  151. scotsw

    May 14, 2009 at 9:03 am

    FYI, the Twins threw 188 pitches vs. the Tigers’ 255.

  152. Ryan P.

    May 14, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Just saw Leyland’s ejection from last night, I just thought it was over balls and strikes. I hope Schrieber gets suspended for touching (pushing, rather) Magglio. A player would be suspended for much less.

  153. Davtigerfan

    May 14, 2009 at 9:37 am

    Is Nate hurt? I can’t find any info to confirm this.

  154. scotsw

    May 14, 2009 at 9:48 am

    The press reports really downplayed Schrieber’s touch on Maggs — he didn’t just “guide” him or direct him. He pushed against his back. Not proper with any player, but that’s a former batting champ there, and some respect should be shown. I felt you could see from the Ump’s reaction when Maggs stops after that shove that he knew he crossed a line. On top of all that, Schrieber called two outside pitches for strikes on Maggs that at-bat, and probably knew it.

    Good for Jimmuh chewing him out like that.

  155. greg

    May 14, 2009 at 10:47 am

    David – lol, you asked for a definition I was just trying to help out.
    ;-)

    Morals are not subjective, but the accurate assessment of morality for those with finite knowledge is subjective.(Actually, the accurate assesment of ANYTHING for those with finite knowledge is subjective)

    You wrote: Personally I don’t care if Dtrain is an ahole if he can pitch.

    If he’s on my fantasy baseball team, I’m 100% on board. However, all else being equal, I’d prefer good guys to have success over bad guys, though I’m not going to lose any sleep either way.

    I haven’t read Kant since college, so I can’t comment on that one. Though I’ll take Sarte or Camu over Nietzsche any day. Especially Sarte in his last days when he became a theist.

    • Chris in Dallas

      May 14, 2009 at 11:48 am

      Camus and Sartre are decent, but Kirkegaard has the highest VORP.