Comments on: The one about the bullpen last night http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Dave in New Have(n) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112916 Dave in New Have(n) Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:25:04 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112916 It's slender, but here's an argument for leaving Lyon in: With the score tied heading into the bottom of the ninth, there is a prospect of extra innings. With Bonine not available, Seay used up, and Robertson likely limited to an inning, perhaps Leyland was starting to think he ought to conserve arms. After all, if it went, say 12 innings and was still tied, it could have blown up the bullpen for the rest of series -- and everybody would be criticizing Leyland for wasting two arms on two outs back in the eighth. It’s slender, but here’s an argument for leaving Lyon in:

With the score tied heading into the bottom of the ninth, there is a prospect of extra innings. With Bonine not available, Seay used up, and Robertson likely limited to an inning, perhaps Leyland was starting to think he ought to conserve arms. After all, if it went, say 12 innings and was still tied, it could have blown up the bullpen for the rest of series — and everybody would be criticizing Leyland for wasting two arms on two outs back in the eighth.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112912 David Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:51:37 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112912 WOW CHECK THIS OUT!!! http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/04/08/angels.fan.death.ap/index.html 27 year old fan was killed Opening Day Angels A's WOW CHECK THIS OUT!!!

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]]> By: Bunt singles: Is bullpen help on the way? » Mack Avenue Tigers : A Detroit Tigers Blog http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112908 Bunt singles: Is bullpen help on the way? » Mack Avenue Tigers : A Detroit Tigers Blog Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:29:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112908 [...] remember where I saw the stat. If he came out in the ninth, he should have been replaced. (Detroit Tigers Weblog) Sphere [...] [...] remember where I saw the stat. If he came out in the ninth, he should have been replaced. (Detroit Tigers Weblog) Sphere [...]

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112907 Vince in MN Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:29:38 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112907 Okay, the consensus of opinion seems to be that this loss gets chalked up to Leyland. Let's try and keep a running count on when a critical decision either helps win or costs a defeat. Jimbo is 0-1 so far. Okay, the consensus of opinion seems to be that this loss gets chalked up to Leyland. Let’s try and keep a running count on when a critical decision either helps win or costs a defeat. Jimbo is 0-1 so far.

]]> By: Travis http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112901 Travis Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:13:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112901 "5. Why leave Lyon out there in the 9th? I’ve got nothing. This was stupid. Even if you let him start the inning, when he continues to struggle why not go get him. Ridiculous. Yup - Epic win! or in our case loss…" I am totally with you, Dave, and everyone else on point 5 as well as the rest of this post. Nice work, Bilfer. “5. Why leave Lyon out there in the 9th? I’ve got nothing. This was stupid. Even if you let him start the inning, when he continues to struggle why not go get him. Ridiculous.

Yup – Epic win! or in our case loss…”

I am totally with you, Dave, and everyone else on point 5 as well as the rest of this post. Nice work, Bilfer.

]]> By: Sam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112892 Sam Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:45:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112892 Bilfer, I couldn't agree with you more! good work. -Sam Bilfer,

I couldn’t agree with you more! good work.

-Sam

]]> By: Ryan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112827 Ryan Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:28:03 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112827 Oh. It's 5. All good questions, but the first four are, let's say, a matter of opinion. None of those are terrible, just questionable. 5 is terrible, and it's the exact terrible that happens over and over and over with Leyland. More than the IBBs, more than the lineup shuffle, this is why I can't stand his managing. I don't blame Lyon, just like I didn't blame Jones last year when he was allowed to go forty pitches with nothing. There is NO excuse to bring Lyon back after the eighth he had. None. Oh. It’s 5. All good questions, but the first four are, let’s say, a matter of opinion. None of those are terrible, just questionable. 5 is terrible, and it’s the exact terrible that happens over and over and over with Leyland. More than the IBBs, more than the lineup shuffle, this is why I can’t stand his managing. I don’t blame Lyon, just like I didn’t blame Jones last year when he was allowed to go forty pitches with nothing. There is NO excuse to bring Lyon back after the eighth he had. None.

]]> By: Mr. X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112817 Mr. X Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:27:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112817 Hindsight is always 20/20. Hindsight is always 20/20.

]]> By: Scott http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112812 Scott Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:01:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112812 once again (just like last year), defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory. I watched Perry in spring training; he looked good to me. This guy Lyon: get him outta here! What a joke! I bought a DirecTV baseball package for $179 - if this is what I have to look forward to, I've wasted my $ big-time. And it remains to be seen if Rodney can throw strikes or not; he couldn't last year. Another loss for the 'blowpen'........ once again (just like last year), defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory. I watched Perry in spring training; he looked good to me. This guy Lyon: get him outta here! What a joke! I bought a DirecTV baseball package for $179 – if this is what I have to look forward to, I’ve wasted my $ big-time. And it remains to be seen if Rodney can throw strikes or not; he couldn’t last year. Another loss for the ‘blowpen’……..

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112809 David Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:51:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112809 <b> 5. Why leave Lyon out there in the 9th? I’ve got nothing. This was stupid. Even if you let him start the inning, when he continues to struggle why not go get him. Ridiculous. </b> Yup - Epic win! or in our case loss... 5. Why leave Lyon out there in the 9th? I’ve got nothing. This was stupid. Even if you let him start the inning, when he continues to struggle why not go get him. Ridiculous.

Yup – Epic win! or in our case loss…

]]> By: Anaaki http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112808 Anaaki Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:49:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112808 Also, to argue against the whole "too much pressure" for Perry excuse, Leyland had said that if we went into 10 innings, he was going to put Perry in (Beck's blog). As for leaving Lyon in, the response I got from Beck was this: " Leyland: "We were asking a guy who was a closer last yr and some thought maybe our closer this year to get 1 out in the 8th inning." " Makes no sense to me, but I guess that's our answer. Also, to argue against the whole “too much pressure” for Perry excuse, Leyland had said that if we went into 10 innings, he was going to put Perry in (Beck’s blog).

As for leaving Lyon in, the response I got from Beck was this:
” Leyland: “We were asking a guy who was a closer last yr and some thought maybe our closer this year to get 1 out in the 8th inning.” ”

Makes no sense to me, but I guess that’s our answer.

]]> By: Mr. Jimmy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112805 Mr. Jimmy Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:24:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112805 In complete agreement with you, Billfer. I was not happy when Perry didn't start the ninth. Funny thing is, my head almost exploded when he brought in Zumaya in a 3-1 game in the 2006 season opener. But after Lyon gave up that homer, I had no problem with Perry coming in. At that point, I would've been happy to see Dombrowski come in. In complete agreement with you, Billfer. I was not happy when Perry didn’t start the ninth. Funny thing is, my head almost exploded when he brought in Zumaya in a 3-1 game in the 2006 season opener. But after Lyon gave up that homer, I had no problem with Perry coming in. At that point, I would’ve been happy to see Dombrowski come in.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/the-one-about-the-bullpen-last-night/#comment-112802 Jeff Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:12:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3943#comment-112802 Agree with your take, Bill. Jackson was pitching fantastically because he was getting ahead of batters. Then he started falling behind hitters and it was time to yank him. I'm still mystified why Lyon was out there for the 9th inning too. Agree with your take, Bill. Jackson was pitching fantastically because he was getting ahead of batters. Then he started falling behind hitters and it was time to yank him. I’m still mystified why Lyon was out there for the 9th inning too.

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