Comments on: Game 2009.002: Tigers at Blue Jays http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Mr. X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112804 Mr. X Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:21:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112804 London- So you would have already given up on Lyon? Good luck trying to find a pitcher that doesn't get roughed up. London- So you would have already given up on Lyon? Good luck trying to find a pitcher that doesn’t get roughed up.

]]> By: Londontigerfan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112797 Londontigerfan Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:22:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112797 Whats the big deal with using Perry. I don't buy the line, its he's MLB debut. The kid made the team because he has talent. Lets see what he can do. He's projected as a set-up guy or Closer. What are we waiting for a 10 run lead to make sure he can throw. Just an excuss, he should have been used last night instead of Lyon or after Lyon blew the lead. We need a K or ground ball, Perry should have been the guy. Whats the big deal with using Perry. I don’t buy the line, its he’s MLB debut. The kid made the team because he has talent. Lets see what he can do. He’s projected as a set-up guy or Closer. What are we waiting for a 10 run lead to make sure he can throw. Just an excuss, he should have been used last night instead of Lyon or after Lyon blew the lead. We need a K or ground ball, Perry should have been the guy.

]]> By: greg http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112796 greg Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:14:03 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112796 @ David I pretty much agree, just offering a little Leyland perspective.....not that it's healthy to do that. @ David

I pretty much agree, just offering a little Leyland perspective…..not that it’s healthy to do that.

]]> By: Mr. X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112795 Mr. X Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:30:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112795 WHY LEAVE HIM IN AFTER HE GIVES UP A WALK AND THEN A HIT? 1) Nobody was warming up. 2) Who do you want to throw with the bases loaded and only 1 out? Not Rodney. Not Perry for his MLB debut. Not Robertson because we'll need him Thursday. Not Bonine because he just threw 2.1 innings the day before. Not Rincon because he's not available. Who then? Fact is there was no other good options. Lyon is the best relief pitcher we have in that situation. WHY LEAVE HIM IN AFTER HE GIVES UP A WALK AND THEN A HIT?
1) Nobody was warming up.
2) Who do you want to throw with the bases loaded and only 1 out? Not Rodney. Not Perry for his MLB debut. Not Robertson because we’ll need him Thursday. Not Bonine because he just threw 2.1 innings the day before. Not Rincon because he’s not available. Who then? Fact is there was no other good options.

Lyon is the best relief pitcher we have in that situation.

]]> By: Andre in Chi http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112794 Andre in Chi Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:25:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112794 Ah yes, the Tigers are 0-2 so lets leave no blame-rocks unturned. Who hasn't been covered yet? Bat-boys? Stadium vendors? Parking lot assistants? Apparently, when you're 0-2, everyone is to blame and everyone is a scrub. Just keep in mind that this team of under-achieving, over-paid, waivers-in-waiting that was assembled and managed by the dumbest front-office in baseball could easily be leading the division in July. tigerfan, Careful how you use "we" in combination with asinine comments. Ah yes, the Tigers are 0-2 so lets leave no blame-rocks unturned. Who hasn’t been covered yet? Bat-boys? Stadium vendors? Parking lot assistants? Apparently, when you’re 0-2, everyone is to blame and everyone is a scrub. Just keep in mind that this team of under-achieving, over-paid, waivers-in-waiting that was assembled and managed by the dumbest front-office in baseball could easily be leading the division in July.

tigerfan,

Careful how you use “we” in combination with asinine comments.

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112793 Chris in Dallas Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:25:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112793 Seeing Jurrjens pitch well yesterday made me throw up in my mouth a little. Seeing Jurrjens pitch well yesterday made me throw up in my mouth a little.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112792 David Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:19:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112792 The biggest mistakes Dombrowski has made has been some of his hires and his long term deals off of career years. DD's strategy has been to 1) sign/trade for injured/injury prone FA and get 2) "overpriced" draft picks and 3) use his draft as trading pieces 1) Pudge, Sheffield, Ordonez, Guillen 2) Perry, Porcello, Miller, Maybin, Verlander 3) Cabrera, Jackson, Rentaria Oh and Leyland wasn't all bad yesterday - he used Everett to bunt Inge to third after that double...I liked that...That was about it. <b> Mr. X he did have it. The hr that Rolen hit was a mislocated fastball right down the pike. The guy(Jackson) was dominating. You tell me the Blue Jays would have taken Roy out if he was pitching like that? Or Ozzie would have taken Buehrle or Floyd or Danks out? Or Gardenhire would have taken Santana or any other pitcher out? Fine take him out. Fine. Lets go with that. STILL WHY LEAVE LYON IN AFTER HE BLOWS IT, Fine lets go with that, show you've got super confidence in him after he blows the game and Inge comes back and let him start the ninth. WHY LEAVE HIM IN AFTER HE GIVES UP A WALK AND THEN A HIT? Guy couldn't do crap and he just let him loose. OK walk the guy to load the bases and set up a force. Lets go with that... If this guy is anything like Todd Jones (and it looked like much worse yesterday) then he is a here it is hit it type guy. IN THAT SITUATION WITH BASES LOADED 1 OUT BOTTOM 9, YOU WANT A STRIKE OUT ESPECIALLY WHILE PLAYING ON TURF!! So the D can play in its regular spot and you don't have to worry about getting a double play, or them hitting it deep (which they did. Lyon IS NOT a strike out pitcher...</b> To be honest I think Leyland is an IDIOT. @Greg Yea maybe he thinks "long-term" by resting guys... But what's the point? If they don't start winning now there will be no "long-term". He'll be canned after this year and they won't go at all let alone LONG into the post season. In baseball DURING A GAME, if you want to be any damn good IMO you have to think SHORT TERM and try hard as hell to win every game. After the game is over that is when you try and look at the big picture and shake off a loss or w/e. The biggest mistakes Dombrowski has made has been some of his hires and his long term deals off of career years.

DD’s strategy has been to 1) sign/trade for injured/injury prone FA and get 2) “overpriced” draft picks and 3) use his draft as trading pieces

1) Pudge, Sheffield, Ordonez, Guillen

2) Perry, Porcello, Miller, Maybin, Verlander

3) Cabrera, Jackson, Rentaria

Oh and Leyland wasn’t all bad yesterday – he used Everett to bunt Inge to third after that double…I liked that…That was about it.

Mr. X he did have it. The hr that Rolen hit was a mislocated fastball right down the pike. The guy(Jackson) was dominating. You tell me the Blue Jays would have taken Roy out if he was pitching like that? Or Ozzie would have taken Buehrle or Floyd or Danks out? Or Gardenhire would have taken Santana or any other pitcher out?

Fine take him out. Fine. Lets go with that. STILL WHY LEAVE LYON IN AFTER HE BLOWS IT, Fine lets go with that, show you’ve got super confidence in him after he blows the game and Inge comes back and let him start the ninth.

WHY LEAVE HIM IN AFTER HE GIVES UP A WALK AND THEN A HIT?

Guy couldn’t do crap and he just let him loose.

OK walk the guy to load the bases and set up a force. Lets go with that…

If this guy is anything like Todd Jones (and it looked like much worse yesterday) then he is a here it is hit it type guy. IN THAT SITUATION WITH BASES LOADED 1 OUT BOTTOM 9, YOU WANT A STRIKE OUT ESPECIALLY WHILE PLAYING ON TURF!! So the D can play in its regular spot and you don’t have to worry about getting a double play, or them hitting it deep (which they did. Lyon IS NOT a strike out pitcher…

To be honest I think Leyland is an IDIOT.

@Greg

Yea maybe he thinks “long-term” by resting guys… But what’s the point?

If they don’t start winning now there will be no “long-term”. He’ll be canned after this year and they won’t go at all let alone LONG into the post season.

In baseball DURING A GAME, if you want to be any damn good IMO you have to think SHORT TERM and try hard as hell to win every game. After the game is over that is when you try and look at the big picture and shake off a loss or w/e.

]]> By: Mr. X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112791 Mr. X Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:52:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112791 DD got us Bonderman, Guillen, Polanco, Cabrera, Galaragga, Jackson, Laird, and Anderson. Drafted Porcello, Verlander, Perry( and maybe Granderson?) DD got us Bonderman, Guillen, Polanco, Cabrera, Galaragga, Jackson, Laird, and Anderson. Drafted Porcello, Verlander, Perry( and maybe Granderson?)

]]> By: Steve http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112790 Steve Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:50:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112790 Cody Ross is still available in Florida. Cody Ross is still available in Florida.

]]> By: tigerfan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112789 tigerfan Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:25:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112789 We all including me want to lay the blame on Leyland but how about Dombrowski taking some of the heat. Someone remind me who we gave up to the Marlins ( Andrew Miller/Cameron Maybin ) for Dontrelle Willis what a joke and Miguel Cabrera got a good bat but fielding still questionable. And Atlanta we send ( Jurrgiens/Infantae ) and we get Edgar Rentarina and some guy whose 1st name I can't remember last name McCann a pitcher I know you have to give to get but it seems like we give and get less back. We all including me want to lay the blame on Leyland but how about Dombrowski taking some of the heat. Someone remind me who we gave up to the Marlins ( Andrew Miller/Cameron Maybin ) for Dontrelle Willis what a joke and Miguel Cabrera got a good bat but fielding still questionable. And Atlanta we send ( Jurrgiens/Infantae ) and we get Edgar Rentarina and some guy whose 1st name I can’t remember last name McCann a pitcher I know you have to give to get but it seems like we give and get less back.

]]> By: Mr. X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112788 Mr. X Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:25:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112788 Ok, maybe not a miracle, but the odds were against us with just 1 out. Ok, maybe not a miracle, but the odds were against us with just 1 out.

]]> By: Joel in Seattle http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112787 Joel in Seattle Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:19:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112787 Mr. X: I wouldn't consider a ground ball or a strikeout with a batter like Barajas to be "miracles." How many times have the Tigers failed to convert that situation? Mr. X:

I wouldn’t consider a ground ball or a strikeout with a batter like Barajas to be “miracles.” How many times have the Tigers failed to convert that situation?

]]> By: Mr. X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112786 Mr. X Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:49:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112786 Tyler- Everett miscalculated. He saw that Lyon threw a 75 mph breaking pitch so he took a few steps to his right thinking that the hitter would pull the ball. That ground ball should of ended the inning. Lyon then threw a curve ball below the knees that Hill somehow hit and somehow cleared the fence with. He must of been looking curve ball because that pitch would of been in the dirt had he not hit it. Props should go to Toronto hitters for grinding it out in the 9th. Lyon got Vernon Wells to flyout, then Lind worked a 9 pitch at bat for a walk that set up the inning. That was a key battle that Lind won. It wasn't like it was a 4 pitch walk or something. It could of easily of went Lyon's way. Then Rolen singled to right field. It was pretty much over right there and then since the winning run was on 3rd and there was only 1 out. We would of needed a miracle then. Tyler- Everett miscalculated. He saw that Lyon threw a 75 mph breaking pitch so he took a few steps to his right thinking that the hitter would pull the ball. That ground ball should of ended the inning.

Lyon then threw a curve ball below the knees that Hill somehow hit and somehow cleared the fence with. He must of been looking curve ball because that pitch would of been in the dirt had he not hit it.

Props should go to Toronto hitters for grinding it out in the 9th. Lyon got Vernon Wells to flyout, then Lind worked a 9 pitch at bat for a walk that set up the inning. That was a key battle that Lind won. It wasn’t like it was a 4 pitch walk or something. It could of easily of went Lyon’s way. Then Rolen singled to right field. It was pretty much over right there and then since the winning run was on 3rd and there was only 1 out. We would of needed a miracle then.

]]> By: ron http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112785 ron Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:28:17 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112785 If we lose tonite, there could be close to 300 posts on this site. Misery loves company. If we lose tonite, there could be close to 300 posts on this site. Misery loves company.

]]> By: Mr. X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112784 Mr. X Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:24:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/04/game-2009002-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-112784 Jackson's command was gone. He fell behind on the count to every hitter he faced in the 8th. Rolen crushed a 3-1 fastball into the seats. Overbay hit a bullet at Inge on 3-2 count. Then Barajas popped up a 2-0 fastball. The lefty hitter Snider was up next and we know what he can do. Putting Seay in at that time was the wise thing to do. Jackson’s command was gone. He fell behind on the count to every hitter he faced in the 8th. Rolen crushed a 3-1 fastball into the seats. Overbay hit a bullet at Inge on 3-2 count. Then Barajas popped up a 2-0 fastball. The lefty hitter Snider was up next and we know what he can do. Putting Seay in at that time was the wise thing to do.

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