Comments on: Recapping the first workouts http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: scotsw http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111021 scotsw Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:40:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111021 I'm sorry if my previous post asking Billfer to keep feeding us his usual great stuff offended anyone, especially the extra-sensative Ken in Vegas. In the future, I'll try not to encourage him any further (publicly, at least... Secretly, I'll continue wishing for hourly DTW updates). I have a suggestion for an ultra-easy post for Biller: Challenge your readers to name the Tigers' roster leaving Spring Training, including the rotation and bullpen... All 25 guys. I leave it up to Billfer to propose an appropriate prize. I’m sorry if my previous post asking Billfer to keep feeding us his usual great stuff offended anyone, especially the extra-sensative Ken in Vegas. In the future, I’ll try not to encourage him any further (publicly, at least… Secretly, I’ll continue wishing for hourly DTW updates).

I have a suggestion for an ultra-easy post for Biller:

Challenge your readers to name the Tigers’ roster leaving Spring Training, including the rotation and bullpen… All 25 guys. I leave it up to Billfer to propose an appropriate prize.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111020 Mark in Chicago Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:42:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111020 Chris and Dave BW, I too recall that chat, and Doc was in fact the comparison KLaw made. If I recall correctly, KLaw had originally thought Porcello would rack up the K's, but after seeing him pitch he began to think he would be more of a groundball machine in the mold of Peavy-Halladay-Zambrano. With a mid-90's fastball and plus changeup, I have a feeling Porcello will be able to dig up a K if he needs one. As you said Dave, I'm not sure it was a ceiling comparison as much as style or results. Chris and Dave BW,

I too recall that chat, and Doc was in fact the comparison KLaw made. If I recall correctly, KLaw had originally thought Porcello would rack up the K’s, but after seeing him pitch he began to think he would be more of a groundball machine in the mold of Peavy-Halladay-Zambrano. With a mid-90′s fastball and plus changeup, I have a feeling Porcello will be able to dig up a K if he needs one. As you said Dave, I’m not sure it was a ceiling comparison as much as style or results.

]]> By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111018 Dave BW Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:39:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111018 Chris -- I saw that chat too -- I'm pretty sure Law meant in terms of style rather than ceiling. Chris –

I saw that chat too — I’m pretty sure Law meant in terms of style rather than ceiling.

]]> By: Steve http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111017 Steve Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:13:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111017 Billfer nice to hear from you.................... Good to be busy with a job that pays. Good call on DavidB, I hope the guys gets some help. There has to be something deep there that is broken. All good stuff on the pitchers. I agree competition in camp will be good to their heads on straight right from the start. Heres one guy hoping for a good start so they are not dragging the bag after April. Does anyone know about ticket availability? Last year they were impossible. Ready, Bring it in ............... One....... Two ..........Three....... TEAM 44 days until the Opener in TO. Hard to imagine as its 26 degrees here. The Rogers Center in Toronto is a great stadium to visit for a roadie. Especially in April with a dome. We have been there many times and had a great time in the City. Plenty of things to do there if you go for a few days. There are lots of decently priced hotels walking distance from the park. Lets go TIGERS !!! Steve Billfer nice to hear from you……………….. Good to be busy with a job that pays. Good call on DavidB, I hope the guys gets some help. There has to be something deep there that is broken.

All good stuff on the pitchers. I agree competition in camp will be good to their heads on straight right from the start. Heres one guy hoping for a good start so they are not dragging the bag after April.

Does anyone know about ticket availability? Last year they were impossible.

Ready, Bring it in …………… One……. Two ……….Three……. TEAM

44 days until the Opener in TO. Hard to imagine as its 26 degrees here. The Rogers Center in Toronto is a great stadium to visit for a roadie. Especially in April with a dome. We have been there many times and had a great time in the City. Plenty of things to do there if you go for a few days. There are lots of decently priced hotels walking distance from the park.

Lets go TIGERS !!!

Steve

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111016 Chris in Dallas Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:52:38 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111016 I recently saw the question posed (I think it was an ESPN chat or something) about Porcello. It was something along the lines of is his ceiling more like Brandon Webb or Roy Halladay. The moderator (I think Law) said Doc. I could probably live with that. I'm too lazy to look up the link, but it happened - I swear. I recently saw the question posed (I think it was an ESPN chat or something) about Porcello. It was something along the lines of is his ceiling more like Brandon Webb or Roy Halladay. The moderator (I think Law) said Doc. I could probably live with that. I’m too lazy to look up the link, but it happened – I swear.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111015 Mark in Chicago Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:26:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111015 Agree, Mr. X (man of mystery?). The nice thing about Perry is that he's pretty polished considering he was drafted out of college, so he maybe won't need a ton of innings at the minor league level. I have to think that if there's injury or ineffectiveness in the bullpen (almost a certainty, frankly) he gets the call in June or July. I'm fine with Porcello logging some innings at Erie and Toledo all year. No sense rushing a kid with the kind of stuff everybody raves about. Agree, Mr. X (man of mystery?). The nice thing about Perry is that he’s pretty polished considering he was drafted out of college, so he maybe won’t need a ton of innings at the minor league level. I have to think that if there’s injury or ineffectiveness in the bullpen (almost a certainty, frankly) he gets the call in June or July.

I’m fine with Porcello logging some innings at Erie and Toledo all year. No sense rushing a kid with the kind of stuff everybody raves about.

]]> By: Mr X http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111014 Mr X Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:11:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111014 That is nice news about Porcello. This pitching staff will look better when we add guys like him and Ryan Perry to the mix when they are ready. I wouldn't mind seeing them this season, even if it's before September. That is nice news about Porcello. This pitching staff will look better when we add guys like him and Ryan Perry to the mix when they are ready. I wouldn’t mind seeing them this season, even if it’s before September.

]]> By: dead rabbit http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111013 dead rabbit Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:15:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111013 Apparently DavidB never read my analysis on Bonderman. Take a hike buddy, there is only room for one resident super villain. Apparently DavidB never read my analysis on Bonderman. Take a hike buddy, there is only room for one resident super villain.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111011 Mark in Chicago Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:06:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111011 Nate and Dontrelle <i>should</i> be nervous. Maybe pushing them will generate some positive results. Competition is a good thing. Nate and Dontrelle should be nervous. Maybe pushing them will generate some positive results. Competition is a good thing.

]]> By: Rick G http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111010 Rick G Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:18:09 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111010 From <a href="http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2009/02/tigers_rick_porcello_shows_off.html" rel="nofollow">mlive.com</a> this morning... Leyland is not ruling out Porcello breaking camp with his team. "If he makes it, fine," Leyland said. "If he doesn't, he's not very far away." Usual spring training bluster of course, but if I'm Nate or Dontrelle, I'm starting to get a little more nervous... The article also says Zumaya is looking good so far. There's also an article about Cale Iorg, good stuff. From mlive.com this morning…

Leyland is not ruling out Porcello breaking camp with his team.

“If he makes it, fine,” Leyland said. “If he doesn’t, he’s not very far away.”

Usual spring training bluster of course, but if I’m Nate or Dontrelle, I’m starting to get a little more nervous…

The article also says Zumaya is looking good so far. There’s also an article about Cale Iorg, good stuff.

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111007 Chris in Dallas Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:19:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111007 Speak for yourself, Ken. Speak for yourself, Ken.

]]> By: Ken in Vegas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111006 Ken in Vegas Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:53:37 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111006 scottsw- some people have a life. Go start your own blog. scottsw- some people have a life. Go start your own blog.

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111005 Chris in Dallas Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:31:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111005 FWIW, Zumaya started 73 games, logging just under 400 innings in the minors as a starter. It's not that the idea is farfetched - I think that he's proven (when healthy) that he can handle the bullpen thing quite well so you don't mess with success. FWIW, Zumaya started 73 games, logging just under 400 innings in the minors as a starter. It’s not that the idea is farfetched – I think that he’s proven (when healthy) that he can handle the bullpen thing quite well so you don’t mess with success.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111004 billfer Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:31:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111004 Sorry that things have been so sparse on my part as of late. The day job, the one that is 95% of my income has been incredibly demanding lately and that will continue for a few more weeks. I'll do what I can when I can. I wish I could promise more than that. Regarding Zumaya, his curve is pretty good and drops off the table. But like with Rodney he needs to locate his fastball to make the other pitches effective. Also, he has a change-up that he used as a starter in the minors. He just got away from it pitching an inning or two at a time. @scotsw Sorry you're not getting your money's worth. I'll try to do better. Sorry that things have been so sparse on my part as of late. The day job, the one that is 95% of my income has been incredibly demanding lately and that will continue for a few more weeks. I’ll do what I can when I can. I wish I could promise more than that.

Regarding Zumaya, his curve is pretty good and drops off the table. But like with Rodney he needs to locate his fastball to make the other pitches effective. Also, he has a change-up that he used as a starter in the minors. He just got away from it pitching an inning or two at a time.

@scotsw
Sorry you’re not getting your money’s worth. I’ll try to do better.

]]> By: Andre in Chi http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111003 Andre in Chi Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:17:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/02/recapping-the-first-workouts/#comment-111003 Mr X cheer up, your ideas are THAT far fetched. Zumaya did start in the minors, if i'm not mistaken. using him in the rotation is only slightly more far fetched than say, using him for an entire season. with Zumaya, its mainly the injuries that limit him, i think. as others have mentioned, he did seem to be developing multiple tools. hopefully he'll have an injury free season that will allow us to speculate as to what his endurance is and whether he has the tools. Mr X

cheer up, your ideas are THAT far fetched. Zumaya did start in the minors, if i’m not mistaken. using him in the rotation is only slightly more far fetched than say, using him for an entire season. with Zumaya, its mainly the injuries that limit him, i think. as others have mentioned, he did seem to be developing multiple tools. hopefully he’ll have an injury free season that will allow us to speculate as to what his endurance is and whether he has the tools.

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