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	<title>Comments on: Tigers sign Thames and Rodney</title>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110561</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose I can see your point.  A K is the best kind of out, though.  Bad things can happen when the ball is put in play...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I can see your point.  A K is the best kind of out, though.  Bad things can happen when the ball is put in play&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Coach Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110548</link>
		<dc:creator>Coach Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think strikeouts negate walks, that&#039;s what I&#039;m trying to say.  An out is an out, whether it&#039;s a K or 6-3...and you don&#039;t get any DPs from a K, which is important after you walk the leadoff batter in the 9th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think strikeouts negate walks, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to say.  An out is an out, whether it&#8217;s a K or 6-3&#8230;and you don&#8217;t get any DPs from a K, which is important after you walk the leadoff batter in the 9th.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110539</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coach:  That&#039;s why they talk about the &lt;i&gt;ratio&lt;/i&gt;.   If a guy is striking out 3 guys for every 1 walk, that means either a) he&#039;s not walking anyone or b) he&#039;s striking out a heck of a lot of guys, which would negate higher walk totals to a degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coach:  That&#8217;s why they talk about the <i>ratio</i>.   If a guy is striking out 3 guys for every 1 walk, that means either a) he&#8217;s not walking anyone or b) he&#8217;s striking out a heck of a lot of guys, which would negate higher walk totals to a degree.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110526</link>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the inconsistent production is reflected in the stats that reflect he is paid accordingly. I guess I&#039;m still confused about the complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the inconsistent production is reflected in the stats that reflect he is paid accordingly. I guess I&#8217;m still confused about the complaint.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken in Las Vegas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110520</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken in Las Vegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris in Dallas,

I for one appreciated the reference to that sandwich which is now unmentionable, as mandated by myself to myself.  It clearly transcends time, gender, race, religion, and now is even in the hall of fame.  Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris in Dallas,</p>
<p>I for one appreciated the reference to that sandwich which is now unmentionable, as mandated by myself to myself.  It clearly transcends time, gender, race, religion, and now is even in the hall of fame.  Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: jud</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110515</link>
		<dc:creator>jud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no one complains about the Rodney money because it is in line ..the only complaint is  the inconsistent production for the $$$$$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no one complains about the Rodney money because it is in line ..the only complaint is  the inconsistent production for the $$$$$</p>
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		<title>By: Mr X</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110512</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the Big 3 would give the Tigers some of that bail-out money so that they can get a real closer.  They&#039;ll probably waste the money on the Lions instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the Big 3 would give the Tigers some of that bail-out money so that they can get a real closer.  They&#8217;ll probably waste the money on the Lions instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Coach Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110511</link>
		<dc:creator>Coach Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Billfer that Rodney got a fair deal.  Sure, we remember the meltdowns, but when you look at the season stats, he is an above-average pitcher.  His opponent&#039;s on-base percentage was about average, but his opponent&#039;s batting average was about 50 points lower than average.  Also, he allowed fewer than average home runs.  And for you strikout fans, he was far above average.  However, strikeouts don&#039;t impress me, especially with a pitcher that walks a lot of guys....think double plays.

You know, something that peeves me about baseball recently is the media&#039;s propensity to use the strikeout to walk ratio.  I say they don&#039;t have anything to do with each other.  A guy that walks too many guys still walks too many guys regardless of how many he strikes out.  I would MUCH rather have a pitcher that walks nobody and strikes out nobody than a guy that walks a ton and strikes out a ton.

I was looking back at the 2006 pitching staff compared to the 2008 pitching staff and the difference is walks.  To a man, the 2006 staff walked fewer than the league average, and the 2008 staff walked more (or roughly equal) than the league average; Lopez and Glover are the exceptions.  Perhaps our new pitching coach can reverse that trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Billfer that Rodney got a fair deal.  Sure, we remember the meltdowns, but when you look at the season stats, he is an above-average pitcher.  His opponent&#8217;s on-base percentage was about average, but his opponent&#8217;s batting average was about 50 points lower than average.  Also, he allowed fewer than average home runs.  And for you strikout fans, he was far above average.  However, strikeouts don&#8217;t impress me, especially with a pitcher that walks a lot of guys&#8230;.think double plays.</p>
<p>You know, something that peeves me about baseball recently is the media&#8217;s propensity to use the strikeout to walk ratio.  I say they don&#8217;t have anything to do with each other.  A guy that walks too many guys still walks too many guys regardless of how many he strikes out.  I would MUCH rather have a pitcher that walks nobody and strikes out nobody than a guy that walks a ton and strikes out a ton.</p>
<p>I was looking back at the 2006 pitching staff compared to the 2008 pitching staff and the difference is walks.  To a man, the 2006 staff walked fewer than the league average, and the 2008 staff walked more (or roughly equal) than the league average; Lopez and Glover are the exceptions.  Perhaps our new pitching coach can reverse that trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110510</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tigers are talking to Isringhausen and Lyon per Jason Beck. I know David Aarsdma has perennial control issues and has more or less sucked but he has a big arm and is young, cheap and available. Red Sox waived him today. He is the kind of guy who could suddenly figure things out. Toledo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tigers are talking to Isringhausen and Lyon per Jason Beck. I know David Aarsdma has perennial control issues and has more or less sucked but he has a big arm and is young, cheap and available. Red Sox waived him today. He is the kind of guy who could suddenly figure things out. Toledo?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110505</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So wait, is KLaw saying Renteria is a hall-of-famer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So wait, is KLaw saying Renteria is a hall-of-famer?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2009/01/tigers-sign-thames-and-rodney/#comment-110504</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, there&#039;s not really a proper thread to post this, but I thought some of my fellow commenters would get a kick out of it.  From a Keith Law chat on ESPN.  The ham sandwich thing is spreading like bird flu:

Oden (Motown): I&#039;ll bide my time hoping that Tram and Lou get inducted together by the Vet&#039;s committee. I know, I am dreaming. Uou are a GM, and I promise you Alan Trammell and his career, or Ozzie Smith and his, who would you select? I gotta go with Tram, the extra O clearly outweighs the (still very good) lesser D. 

 Keith Law: (1:53 PM ET ) I wouldn&#039;t wait on the Vets Committee. One year, they got their Hall ballot confused with their lunch menu and accidentally inducted a ham sandwich to the Hall of Fame. It&#039;s not even the worst selection they&#039;ve ever made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, there&#8217;s not really a proper thread to post this, but I thought some of my fellow commenters would get a kick out of it.  From a Keith Law chat on ESPN.  The ham sandwich thing is spreading like bird flu:</p>
<p>Oden (Motown): I&#8217;ll bide my time hoping that Tram and Lou get inducted together by the Vet&#8217;s committee. I know, I am dreaming. Uou are a GM, and I promise you Alan Trammell and his career, or Ozzie Smith and his, who would you select? I gotta go with Tram, the extra O clearly outweighs the (still very good) lesser D. </p>
<p> Keith Law: (1:53 PM ET ) I wouldn&#8217;t wait on the Vets Committee. One year, they got their Hall ballot confused with their lunch menu and accidentally inducted a ham sandwich to the Hall of Fame. It&#8217;s not even the worst selection they&#8217;ve ever made.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All due respect, I don&#039;t think Verlander (or more appropriately his agent) is going to be clamoring to sign a long term extension coming off a down year.  That just doesn&#039;t make sense for the player.  If he&#039;s going to re-up with the Tigers at any point, it will likely be after this season if the Tigers decide to buy out his arbitration years.

EDIT:  I didn&#039;t realize Verlander was arbitration eligible right now (I thought he had 1 more year).  Maybe the Tigers will do something longer term to get some cost certainty with him.  Perhaps that&#039;s why they&#039;ve been fairly frugal this offseason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All due respect, I don&#8217;t think Verlander (or more appropriately his agent) is going to be clamoring to sign a long term extension coming off a down year.  That just doesn&#8217;t make sense for the player.  If he&#8217;s going to re-up with the Tigers at any point, it will likely be after this season if the Tigers decide to buy out his arbitration years.</p>
<p>EDIT:  I didn&#8217;t realize Verlander was arbitration eligible right now (I thought he had 1 more year).  Maybe the Tigers will do something longer term to get some cost certainty with him.  Perhaps that&#8217;s why they&#8217;ve been fairly frugal this offseason.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to take advantage of Verlander&#039;s crappy season and sign him to a 5/30 contract.

Still don&#039;t get the Rodney hate.  I also hope he&#039;s not closing games in &#039;09, but he&#039;s above league average.  10K/9 and a 1.41 WHIP aren&#039;t terrible.  Really.  Rodney or Fossum?  Rodney or Glover?  Not his fault if he&#039;s the closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to take advantage of Verlander&#8217;s crappy season and sign him to a 5/30 contract.</p>
<p>Still don&#8217;t get the Rodney hate.  I also hope he&#8217;s not closing games in &#8216;09, but he&#8217;s above league average.  10K/9 and a 1.41 WHIP aren&#8217;t terrible.  Really.  Rodney or Fossum?  Rodney or Glover?  Not his fault if he&#8217;s the closer.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or you could look at it from the standpoint that Rodney is a half win to a full win above replacement level. The market is paying $4.8 million per win above replacement level. So Rodney got about what he should have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you could look at it from the standpoint that Rodney is a half win to a full win above replacement level. The market is paying $4.8 million per win above replacement level. So Rodney got about what he should have.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney will save around 50 games so this is an absolute steal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney will save around 50 games so this is an absolute steal</p>
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