Comments on: Tigers looking at Wood? http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009 Review || xbox 360 || Tiger Woods PGA Tour | I Like My Web Golf News .com http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-111517 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009 Review || xbox 360 || Tiger Woods PGA Tour | I Like My Web Golf News .com Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:08:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-111517 [...] Tigers looking at Wood?I like the idea of Kerry Wood as a Tiger the way some people liked the idea of Rafael Statistics (94) Tiger History (43) Trade Rumors (45) Trades (25) Uncategorized (1001) [...] [...] Tigers looking at Wood?I like the idea of Kerry Wood as a Tiger the way some people liked the idea of Rafael Statistics (94) Tiger History (43) Trade Rumors (45) Trades (25) Uncategorized (1001) [...]

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]]> By: Winter Meeting Eve Rumor Roundup http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109286 Winter Meeting Eve Rumor Roundup Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:43:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109286 [...] As mentioned Friday, it looks like the Tigers and the Mets are both interested in former Cubs closer Kerry Wood. The Mets however favor K-Rod which would work in the Tigers favor. But Buster Olney says that the Mets will throw offers out to multiple closers and the first that accepts will get the gig. Nice to be in a buyers marker. [...] [...] As mentioned Friday, it looks like the Tigers and the Mets are both interested in former Cubs closer Kerry Wood. The Mets however favor K-Rod which would work in the Tigers favor. But Buster Olney says that the Mets will throw offers out to multiple closers and the first that accepts will get the gig. Nice to be in a buyers marker. [...]

]]> By: Smoking Loon http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109282 Smoking Loon Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:38:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109282 "Loon, why don’t you just MARRY Hoffman?!?" Dave, I think I'll just make him my heterosexual life partner. We can double-date with you and Greinke. Seriously, I've been more interested in guys like J.J. Putz and Matt Capps than Hoffman or Wood. I like the idea of Kerry Wood as a Tiger the way some people liked the idea of Rafael Furcal as a Tiger. A wondrous dream with too many risks. I support bringing in Trevor Hoffman the way I'd support bringing in Adam Everett. Low risk, no trade required, fits the immediate need. “Loon, why don’t you just MARRY Hoffman?!?”

Dave, I think I’ll just make him my heterosexual life partner. We can double-date with you and Greinke.

Seriously, I’ve been more interested in guys like J.J. Putz and Matt Capps than Hoffman or Wood. I like the idea of Kerry Wood as a Tiger the way some people liked the idea of Rafael Furcal as a Tiger. A wondrous dream with too many risks. I support bringing in Trevor Hoffman the way I’d support bringing in Adam Everett. Low risk, no trade required, fits the immediate need.

]]> By: Smoking Loon http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109281 Smoking Loon Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:31:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109281 rings Bonderman as closer: What about his well-known 1st inning hang-up, though? He's not known for being cool as a cucumber in pressure situations, either. I should talk, though. I'm in favor of either getting Zumaya ready to start or trading him and being done with it ("it" being the endless waiting for health and a return to form, much like the Cub' travails with Messr. Wood). rings

Bonderman as closer: What about his well-known 1st inning hang-up, though? He’s not known for being cool as a cucumber in pressure situations, either. I should talk, though. I’m in favor of either getting Zumaya ready to start or trading him and being done with it (“it” being the endless waiting for health and a return to form, much like the Cub’ travails with Messr. Wood).

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109280 billfer Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:16:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109280 @rings - Yes someone took the mound, but the Tigers had one of the worst staffs in the majors so I don't know that's a valid argument. I guess I'd prefer to see Robertson tried as a closer before Bonderman. @david - The Tigers have about $25- 30 million to fill 15 roster spots with over $100 million already committed to just 10 players this year. And that doesn't include Justin Verlander who will get arbitration this year. They just don't have the money to go and get a lot of players. @rings -

Yes someone took the mound, but the Tigers had one of the worst staffs in the majors so I don’t know that’s a valid argument. I guess I’d prefer to see Robertson tried as a closer before Bonderman.

@david -
The Tigers have about $25- 30 million to fill 15 roster spots with over $100 million already committed to just 10 players this year. And that doesn’t include Justin Verlander who will get arbitration this year. They just don’t have the money to go and get a lot of players.

]]> By: rings http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109278 rings Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:34:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109278 David - Bonderman didn't start nearly all of last year, and magically, we found someone to take the bump each year, including a guy (Galaragga), who we'd never heard of, who turned out pretty good and another (Minor) we'd forgotten about who managed just fine. Are you DEPENDING on Bonderman this year??? If we are, then our chances are probably already slim...we're already counting on JV to rebound, Nate to rebound, Bonderman to be healthy and rebound, Minor and Galarraga to have good seasons again and Willis to suddenly regain his form? There's a lot of "ifs" there and most of them will not happen. If fact, one can probably guarantee that we'll have a couple new starters before 2009 is over. That said, the rotation, while not great, did not hurt us last year nearly as much as the lack of a bullpen did. My point is, that Bonderman has been a starter for 6 years now and has never managed to stay completely healthy for a season, has never turned his potential into consistent performance...and will be paid more and more as a starter going forward after his current contract is done. As a homegrown Tiger, many fans will disagree with me, but I don't think he'll EVER be more than a #3 type guy at best as a starter, who'll always battle inconsistency and injury. On the other hand, his lack of a third pitch does not hurt him as a closer and it has the potential to be less taxing on his arm. He repertoire is classic closer stuff with a fastball and lethal slider. IF he can focus enough to make his pitches in pressure situations, which I think he could, he has potential to be more consistent and a very good, if not outstanding, reliever. David – Bonderman didn’t start nearly all of last year, and magically, we found someone to take the bump each year, including a guy (Galaragga), who we’d never heard of, who turned out pretty good and another (Minor) we’d forgotten about who managed just fine. Are you DEPENDING on Bonderman this year??? If we are, then our chances are probably already slim…we’re already counting on JV to rebound, Nate to rebound, Bonderman to be healthy and rebound, Minor and Galarraga to have good seasons again and Willis to suddenly regain his form? There’s a lot of “ifs” there and most of them will not happen. If fact, one can probably guarantee that we’ll have a couple new starters before 2009 is over. That said, the rotation, while not great, did not hurt us last year nearly as much as the lack of a bullpen did.
My point is, that Bonderman has been a starter for 6 years now and has never managed to stay completely healthy for a season, has never turned his potential into consistent performance…and will be paid more and more as a starter going forward after his current contract is done. As a homegrown Tiger, many fans will disagree with me, but I don’t think he’ll EVER be more than a #3 type guy at best as a starter, who’ll always battle inconsistency and injury.
On the other hand, his lack of a third pitch does not hurt him as a closer and it has the potential to be less taxing on his arm. He repertoire is classic closer stuff with a fastball and lethal slider. IF he can focus enough to make his pitches in pressure situations, which I think he could, he has potential to be more consistent and a very good, if not outstanding, reliever.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109274 David Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:12:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109274 Rings if Bondo's a closer - who in Ty Cobb will start? Plus if you have any stock in what DD and Leyland say (hmmmm....) He is pretty much been given a starting spot along with AG and JV We need SP, plus if he's a closer usually his only inning is his first inning ;) If pitchers were actually good as they were in Ty Cobbs day they'd go the whole game - no closers usually How can guys nowdays pitch 150-160 innings and get 33 starts? Plus these 5 man rotations - what a bunch of homer happy babies Rings if Bondo’s a closer – who in Ty Cobb will start?

Plus if you have any stock in what DD and Leyland say (hmmmm….) He is pretty much been given a starting spot along with AG and JV

We need SP, plus if he’s a closer usually his only inning is his first inning ;)

If pitchers were actually good as they were in Ty Cobbs day they’d go the whole game – no closers usually

How can guys nowdays pitch 150-160 innings and get 33 starts?

Plus these 5 man rotations – what a bunch of homer happy babies

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109273 David Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:05:29 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109273 Why not get Wood and Hoffman both? Wood can start, Hoffman can close In reality - which is where we all live - we've gotten rid of Rogers salary, Jones, Pudges/Farnsworth, Rentarias...granted some are going up slightly Granderson, Willis and some down Guillen But still, we should be able to spend the 8mil on Rogers and 7mil on Jones and try to get another starter and closer for ~ that much, maybe use more and divert less to SS and pick up a guy like (or even) Adam Everett for less If all they do is pick up a closer and don't do anything to the starting pitching this team is in trouble, at least one solid possible starter would help solidify a very shaky rotation in my mind. Plus we've got to see what happens with the Big Three, and the economy... If you are just looking at Wood vs Hoffman for closer its tough. Hoffman is more of a pitcher - but he is also ancient/old/close to death choose your adjective... Wood probably has more stuff and is much younger and should be able to "produce" for awhile sans injury.... Still we've got to wait and see what direction this team is headed in... IF I ASKED YOU RIGHT NOW - how many quality starts would Bonderman, Verlander or Galaraga throw would you have a good educated guess? What is Willis going to be - control or no? Or Robertson - is he finally going to be decent after the ASB or is he going to flail once more? Is Zumaya going to be healthy for a full season? How about Rodney? Where does Miner fit in? Is he the fourth or fifth starter? That's just the pitching.... But, as we all know pitching is what wins - IMO if they don't go out and get AT LEAST two "good" (not great) but "good" pitchers one for both the rotation and the pen (hopefully more) in my opinion they are cooked! Why not get Wood and Hoffman both?
Wood can start, Hoffman can close

In reality – which is where we all live – we’ve gotten rid of Rogers salary, Jones, Pudges/Farnsworth, Rentarias…granted some are going up slightly Granderson, Willis and some down Guillen

But still, we should be able to spend the 8mil on Rogers and 7mil on Jones and try to get another starter and closer for ~ that much, maybe use more and divert less to SS and pick up a guy like (or even) Adam Everett for less

If all they do is pick up a closer and don’t do anything to the starting pitching this team is in trouble, at least one solid possible starter would help solidify a very shaky rotation in my mind.
Plus we’ve got to see what happens with the Big Three, and the economy…

If you are just looking at Wood vs Hoffman for closer its tough.

Hoffman is more of a pitcher – but he is also ancient/old/close to death choose your adjective…

Wood probably has more stuff and is much younger and should be able to “produce” for awhile sans injury….

Still we’ve got to wait and see what direction this team is headed in…

IF I ASKED YOU RIGHT NOW – how many quality starts would Bonderman, Verlander or Galaraga throw would you have a good educated guess?

What is Willis going to be – control or no? Or Robertson – is he finally going to be decent after the ASB or is he going to flail once more? Is Zumaya going to be healthy for a full season? How about Rodney?

Where does Miner fit in? Is he the fourth or fifth starter?

That’s just the pitching….

But, as we all know pitching is what wins – IMO if they don’t go out and get AT LEAST two “good” (not great) but “good” pitchers one for both the rotation and the pen (hopefully more) in my opinion they are cooked!

]]> By: rings http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109271 rings Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:00:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109271 Convert Bonderman into a closer. He's already under contract, he has the perfect arsenal, its better for his arm and he can throw harder in shorter stints. Convert Bonderman into a closer.
He’s already under contract, he has the perfect arsenal, its better for his arm and he can throw harder in shorter stints.

]]> By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109270 Dave BW Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:17:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109270 Loon, why don't you just MARRY Hoffman?!? Loon, why don’t you just MARRY Hoffman?!?

]]> By: Smoking Loon http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109269 Smoking Loon Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:14:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109269 You're right, Andre - Wood at $8MM now could be a bargain compared to where things might go. Then again, if economic uncertainty is really going to put a damper on the free spending in MLB this offseason, maybe the bidding war for closers is going to have a lower ceiling than we think. I don't know what the best strategy is for a team in that case. Wait it out, don't move too soon? Let the spenders overspend and then snap up the bargains? Aside from the money issues, I'd still have to go with... Hoffman. As a better fit for the Tigers projected 2009-2010 situation. You’re right, Andre – Wood at $8MM now could be a bargain compared to where things might go. Then again, if economic uncertainty is really going to put a damper on the free spending in MLB this offseason, maybe the bidding war for closers is going to have a lower ceiling than we think. I don’t know what the best strategy is for a team in that case. Wait it out, don’t move too soon? Let the spenders overspend and then snap up the bargains?

Aside from the money issues, I’d still have to go with… Hoffman. As a better fit for the Tigers projected 2009-2010 situation.

]]> By: ivantopumpyouup http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109268 ivantopumpyouup Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:33:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109268 I can get down with Kerry Wood. As long as they give him the kind of contract Pudge and Magglio got with injury clauses. I can get down with Kerry Wood. As long as they give him the kind of contract Pudge and Magglio got with injury clauses.

]]> By: Andre in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109265 Andre in Chicago Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:38:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109265 Loon, i agree with you that, at the moment, Hoffman seems to be a better move @ 7mil. i think the rest of the market might think so too, which is why i'm possibly counter intuitive in my reasoning to get Wood now @ 8mil. more teams are likely (?) to be in the market for Hoffman right? so our chances might not be as good at getting the best value. preemptively going for Wood now might cost an extra 1mil, but less teams are likely bidding, and once Hoffman is snapped up, Wood's price goes up as the number of suitors goes up, right? Loon,

i agree with you that, at the moment, Hoffman seems to be a better move @ 7mil. i think the rest of the market might think so too, which is why i’m possibly counter intuitive in my reasoning to get Wood now @ 8mil.

more teams are likely (?) to be in the market for Hoffman right? so our chances might not be as good at getting the best value. preemptively going for Wood now might cost an extra 1mil, but less teams are likely bidding, and once Hoffman is snapped up, Wood’s price goes up as the number of suitors goes up, right?

]]> By: Smoking Loon http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109264 Smoking Loon Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:11:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-looking-at-wood/#comment-109264 "The Tigers have finally begun to listen to me.' If that's true, tell them to go get Blanco, too, unless he's already resigned with the Cubs. The Wood news is good news. If the Tigers can sign their way instead of trade their way to improvement in the Three True Areas, I'm all for it. However, I don't think Wood is $8MM a year good. Hoffman (still available, presumably?) at $7MM for one year is more sensible than that, I think. “The Tigers have finally begun to listen to me.’

If that’s true, tell them to go get Blanco, too, unless he’s already resigned with the Cubs.

The Wood news is good news. If the Tigers can sign their way instead of trade their way to improvement in the Three True Areas, I’m all for it. However, I don’t think Wood is $8MM a year good. Hoffman (still available, presumably?) at $7MM for one year is more sensible than that, I think.

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