Comments on: Tigers agree to terms with Adam Everett http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Smoking Loon http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109460 Smoking Loon Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:53:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109460 I like him already. His face is perfect for Samara's TigerCat illustrations. I like him already. His face is perfect for Samara’s TigerCat illustrations.

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109457 Chris in Dallas Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:32:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109457 You will all like Adam Everett when the team ERA falls by at least a half a run. You will all like Adam Everett when the team ERA falls by at least a half a run.

]]> By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109456 Dave BW Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:27:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109456 Andre -- To me, the Laird and Everett acquisitions are kind of like the Suez Crisis... oh crap, sorry. Andre –

To me, the Laird and Everett acquisitions are kind of like the Suez Crisis… oh crap, sorry.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109451 Mark in Chicago Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:53:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109451 The Minnesota Twins have been making a playoff push year after year with guys like Nick Punto and Alexi Casilla in their lineup. Oh and Adam Everett. Carlos Gomez got 577 ABs for them last year and posted a 258/296/360 line. Not good. They are regularly near the bottom of baseball in home runs; they compete largely because of defense and pitching. The Tigers have plugged two holes defensively at minimal cost, and now have some wiggle room to work with on the pitching side of things. I would take Granderson, Cabrera, Ordonez, Guillen and even Sheffield over Mauer and Morneau any day. I'm not saying the Tigers will win the division, but they are a better team now than they were last year. That's all we can ask for. The Minnesota Twins have been making a playoff push year after year with guys like Nick Punto and Alexi Casilla in their lineup. Oh and Adam Everett. Carlos Gomez got 577 ABs for them last year and posted a 258/296/360 line. Not good. They are regularly near the bottom of baseball in home runs; they compete largely because of defense and pitching. The Tigers have plugged two holes defensively at minimal cost, and now have some wiggle room to work with on the pitching side of things. I would take Granderson, Cabrera, Ordonez, Guillen and even Sheffield over Mauer and Morneau any day.

I’m not saying the Tigers will win the division, but they are a better team now than they were last year. That’s all we can ask for.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109445 billfer Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:31:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109445 But by getting adequate players for cheap, that leaves more money for pitching. The Tigers have several holes to fill and a limited budget to do it on. I do expect Everett to be the worst offensive shortstop in the league, but I don't expect him to be the worst shortstop in the league by a large margin. It would be nice to have stars and 5 tool players at every position but that ain't ever gonna happen. I'm not saying DD didn't create the circumstances, but would you have rather risked Renteria back at $9 million (I actually would have)? Many wouldn't. And looking at Renteria's 2 year deal after the fact isn't fair either because does he still get that same deal if a team surrenders a first or second rounder? Maybe, but it's far from a given. But by getting adequate players for cheap, that leaves more money for pitching. The Tigers have several holes to fill and a limited budget to do it on.

I do expect Everett to be the worst offensive shortstop in the league, but I don’t expect him to be the worst shortstop in the league by a large margin. It would be nice to have stars and 5 tool players at every position but that ain’t ever gonna happen.

I’m not saying DD didn’t create the circumstances, but would you have rather risked Renteria back at $9 million (I actually would have)? Many wouldn’t. And looking at Renteria’s 2 year deal after the fact isn’t fair either because does he still get that same deal if a team surrenders a first or second rounder? Maybe, but it’s far from a given.

]]> By: Tbone http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109444 Tbone Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:33:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109444 I'm not entirely enthused by either of these guys. Yes they fill holes but unless they have career years they will not be difference makers. Pitching remains our greatest need. I’m not entirely enthused by either of these guys. Yes they fill holes but unless they have career years they will not be difference makers. Pitching remains our greatest need.

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109443 Coleman Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:32:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109443 I am also concerned about the scarcity of infield backup, especially considering the range that Inge and Everett have. Unless they employ unusual positioning, clearly there will be times when they both occupy the same space which often leads to injury. I am also concerned about the scarcity of infield backup, especially considering the range that Inge and Everett have. Unless they employ unusual positioning, clearly there will be times when they both occupy the same space which often leads to injury.

]]> By: Andre in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109435 Andre in Chicago Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:11:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109435 "Dombrowski was the one who created the circumstances." stephen, you're right only in so far as he made the trades. plenty of improbable things happened after the trades to leave the Tigers where they finished last year. i don't think you can argue much in the way of the Tigers needing to improve on last years offensive numbers. while they weren't where many thought (and hoped) they would be, the team was hardly anemic in the run scoring dept. you can argue that they were inconsistent, but that's not the same as saying they didn't have the offensive talent to compete. on the other hand, defense was an issue. DD seems to have addressed this need adequately (assuming everett is/stays healthy), while not giving up too much in terms of money or prospects. i've learned not to look at the team with rose-colored glasses after last year, but i think that we're closer to contention now than we were before these deals and that they were probably some of the best considering. and stephen, please, as a french-man i must ask you to limit your Napolean -Russia references...it pains us greatly to be reminded of that defeat. also, try to steer clear of Waterloo, and most of the 20th century...ok all the 20th century. “Dombrowski was the one who created the circumstances.”

stephen, you’re right only in so far as he made the trades. plenty of improbable things happened after the trades to leave the Tigers where they finished last year. i don’t think you can argue much in the way of the Tigers needing to improve on last years offensive numbers. while they weren’t where many thought (and hoped) they would be, the team was hardly anemic in the run scoring dept. you can argue that they were inconsistent, but that’s not the same as saying they didn’t have the offensive talent to compete. on the other hand, defense was an issue. DD seems to have addressed this need adequately (assuming everett is/stays healthy), while not giving up too much in terms of money or prospects.

i’ve learned not to look at the team with rose-colored glasses after last year, but i think that we’re closer to contention now than we were before these deals and that they were probably some of the best considering.

and stephen, please, as a french-man i must ask you to limit your Napolean -Russia references…it pains us greatly to be reminded of that defeat. also, try to steer clear of Waterloo, and most of the 20th century…ok all the 20th century.

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109434 Vince in MN Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:02:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109434 Mike R, Thanks a lot on finding the runs predicted data. For some strange reason I had a feeling that you would have this at your fingertips! Looking at the final figures, what really surprised me was not so much that the Twins (+40) overachieved along with the Rangers (+46), while the other 12 teams underachieved, but that the Yankees (-165) and Athletics (-187) flopped by as much as they did. The Tigers (-87) actually don't look that bad in comparison. All those shutouts early on probably contributed to an exaggerated sense of offensive aenemia. On the other hand, they did score about 90 of those runs in five games, the bullpen blew about 30 games or so, and who could forget the time Leyland showed up dressed in a Lloyd McClendon suit when he was supposed to be serving his suspension (the cigarette gave him away). 2008 really was a strange year. Mike R,
Thanks a lot on finding the runs predicted data. For some strange reason I had a feeling that you would have this at your fingertips!

Looking at the final figures, what really surprised me was not so much that the Twins (+40) overachieved along with the Rangers (+46), while the other 12 teams underachieved, but that the Yankees (-165) and Athletics (-187) flopped by as much as they did. The Tigers (-87) actually don’t look that bad in comparison. All those shutouts early on probably contributed to an exaggerated sense of offensive aenemia.

On the other hand, they did score about 90 of those runs in five games, the bullpen blew about 30 games or so, and who could forget the time Leyland showed up dressed in a Lloyd McClendon suit when he was supposed to be serving his suspension (the cigarette gave him away). 2008 really was a strange year.

]]> By: stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109432 stephen Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:19:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109432 @billfer- I hear you, but praising this move is like congratulating Napolean on saving 10% of the French Army on his retreat from Moscow. Dombrowski grossly overpaid for Renteria, refused to offer arbitration so there's no draft picks, and now signs a guy who hit .213 and if he starts will probably be the worst offensive shortstop in the AL. I guess you could say he did the best under the circumstances, but Dombrowski was the one who created the circumstances. @billfer- I hear you, but praising this move is like congratulating Napolean on saving 10% of the French Army on his retreat from Moscow. Dombrowski grossly overpaid for Renteria, refused to offer arbitration so there’s no draft picks, and now signs a guy who hit .213 and if he starts will probably be the worst offensive shortstop in the AL. I guess you could say he did the best under the circumstances, but Dombrowski was the one who created the circumstances.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109430 billfer Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:22:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109430 @stephen - but when the best available offensive shortstops are rafael furcal and edgar renteria, what do you want the Tigers to do? Furcal is out of the Tigers price range, and the organization thinks that Iorg is at least a 4 tool player in the minors so they don't want to block him. Renteria nobody wants. So instead they could go give up prospects from a depleted system for Jack Wilson who projects to be all of a half win better than Everett in total contribution for what purpose? An empty .270 batting average? @stephen – but when the best available offensive shortstops are rafael furcal and edgar renteria, what do you want the Tigers to do? Furcal is out of the Tigers price range, and the organization thinks that Iorg is at least a 4 tool player in the minors so they don’t want to block him. Renteria nobody wants. So instead they could go give up prospects from a depleted system for Jack Wilson who projects to be all of a half win better than Everett in total contribution for what purpose? An empty .270 batting average?

]]> By: stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109429 stephen Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:17:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109429 Firstly, Mike it Ct, best avatar ever! If anyone has not seen Conan's old timey baseball skit you best go to youtube and check it out. I agree that Everett is a great fielder and Laird is decent, but I just don't see the signing of someone who is possibly the weakest hitter in the American League, if he's a regular, and a Gregg Zaun clone for catcher as a reason for rejoicing. Yeah, they're cheap and I guess that's great, but I'm looking for a playoff team, not a 4th place team. And if someone can point me to a recent AL champion with a slick-fielding National League left side of an infield, where it's quite possible that Inge and Everett will combine for an OBA below .300, let me know. This team just seems a collection of two or three tool players with the exception of Granderson. You just can't win with a passel of one dimensional players whether they are great offense players or great defensive players. Firstly, Mike it Ct, best avatar ever! If anyone has not seen Conan’s old timey baseball skit you best go to youtube and check it out.

I agree that Everett is a great fielder and Laird is decent, but I just don’t see the signing of someone who is possibly the weakest hitter in the American League, if he’s a regular, and a Gregg Zaun clone for catcher as a reason for rejoicing. Yeah, they’re cheap and I guess that’s great, but I’m looking for a playoff team, not a 4th place team.
And if someone can point me to a recent AL champion with a slick-fielding National League left side of an infield, where it’s quite possible that Inge and Everett will combine for an OBA below .300, let me know. This team just seems a collection of two or three tool players with the exception of Granderson. You just can’t win with a passel of one dimensional players whether they are great offense players or great defensive players.

]]> By: Mike in CT http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109428 Mike in CT Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:03:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109428 Hate to double post (want to check if the avatar thing worked). The infield defense should be a lot better, but that outfield on the other hand. Granderson can't cover the entire territory, because Magglio is average at best and who knows what or how long Guillen can last in left. Of course, this time last year they were trying to sell us that Jacque Jones was a defensive upgrade and we all know how that turned out. Hate to double post (want to check if the avatar thing worked).

The infield defense should be a lot better, but that outfield on the other hand. Granderson can’t cover the entire territory, because Magglio is average at best and who knows what or how long Guillen can last in left.

Of course, this time last year they were trying to sell us that Jacque Jones was a defensive upgrade and we all know how that turned out.

]]> By: Mike in CT http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109427 Mike in CT Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:54:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109427 Agree on these cheapies better free up money for a Kerry Wood type, but even that move would need some insurance because a pen headed by Wood-Rodney-Zumaya probably has more DL time than service time. Agree on these cheapies better free up money for a Kerry Wood type, but even that move would need some insurance because a pen headed by Wood-Rodney-Zumaya probably has more DL time than service time.

]]> By: Steve http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/12/tigers-agree-to-terms-with-adam-everett/#comment-109424 Steve Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:28:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3641#comment-109424 Billfer, Watched the Video, it was good. I agree.......... value comes in different packages. Lets see how it goes with the back end. Jim will have to manage the rest. I hope that these guys get timely hits even if they dont carry a hitting type bat. Is Thames the right guy on the bench to keep a rally going? He has power for sure but what about just getting on base to keep a rally going. A decent closer can fill a lot of gaps. I hope our new found happiness is not just for being happy that we made a move, but for moves that worked. ie lots of moves last year and not all were really happiness flowing gems in July. Thanks again for the Blog. For a Tigers fan its really great. The Tigers start off in Toronto next year including a day game so a night game followed by a day game at the begining of the season is looking great and something to look forward to. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night Steve PS We asked Santa to have a poster to compete with Loon AAAAAHHHHHHHHHhhhh ;) Billfer,

Watched the Video, it was good.
I agree………. value comes in different packages. Lets see how it goes with the back end. Jim will have to manage the rest. I hope that these guys get timely hits even if they dont carry a hitting type bat. Is Thames the right guy on the bench to keep a rally going? He has power for sure but what about just getting on base to keep a rally going.

A decent closer can fill a lot of gaps.

I hope our new found happiness is not just for being happy that we made a move, but for moves that worked. ie lots of moves last year and not all were really happiness flowing gems in July.

Thanks again for the Blog. For a Tigers fan its really great.
The Tigers start off in Toronto next year including a day game so a night game followed by a day game at the begining of the season is looking great and something to look forward to.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night

Steve

PS We asked Santa to have a poster to compete with Loon AAAAAHHHHHHHHHhhhh ;)

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