Comments on: Managing Verlander’s Workload http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Game 133: Indians at Tigers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-104682 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Game 133: Indians at Tigers Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:19:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-104682 [...] walks and hit by pitches combined with the hits. And the fact he threw 115 pitches in 6 innings (which doesn’t bode well for his next start either).* *And in case you’re keeping track of such things, Verlander threw 114 pitches in his last [...] [...] walks and hit by pitches combined with the hits. And the fact he threw 115 pitches in 6 innings (which doesn’t bode well for his next start either).* *And in case you’re keeping track of such things, Verlander threw 114 pitches in his last [...]

]]> By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Game 133: Indians at Tigers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-104681 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Game 133: Indians at Tigers Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:19:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-104681 [...] walks and hit by pitches combined with the hits. And the fact he threw 115 pitches in 6 innings (which doesn’t bode well for his next start either).* *And in case you’re keeping track of such things, Verlander threw 114 pitches in his last [...] [...] walks and hit by pitches combined with the hits. And the fact he threw 115 pitches in 6 innings (which doesn’t bode well for his next start either).* *And in case you’re keeping track of such things, Verlander threw 114 pitches in his last [...]

]]> By: scotsw http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103973 scotsw Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:47:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103973 All the statistics and such are interesting, but for me it's much simpler: The outing after his 130-pitch marathon, Verlander looked like crap. He looked like wet toast. And that was exactly what I expected, and awaited that start with trepidation. Now, it could be chance that he pitched so poorly after throwing all day, but I doubt it. Throwing 130 hard pitches fatigues an arm -- heck, throwing 100 fatigues an arm. THAT'S WHY THEY REST FOR 4 DAYS. I think the fact is, unless you're a soft-tossing knuckleballer, 130 pitches is just too many, unless you're in the post-season. All the statistics and such are interesting, but for me it’s much simpler: The outing after his 130-pitch marathon, Verlander looked like crap. He looked like wet toast. And that was exactly what I expected, and awaited that start with trepidation.
Now, it could be chance that he pitched so poorly after throwing all day, but I doubt it. Throwing 130 hard pitches fatigues an arm — heck, throwing 100 fatigues an arm. THAT’S WHY THEY REST FOR 4 DAYS.

I think the fact is, unless you’re a soft-tossing knuckleballer, 130 pitches is just too many, unless you’re in the post-season.

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103426 Sean C. in Illinois Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:33:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103426 "in about three weeks there won’t be any Nud Hens left they will be called the Detroit Nudgers' Right you are, and I'm looking forward to it. September is a fun month, whether you're in the race or not. “in about three weeks there won’t be any Nud Hens left they will be called the Detroit Nudgers’

Right you are, and I’m looking forward to it. September is a fun month, whether you’re in the race or not.

]]> By: Mat http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103380 Mat Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:20:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103380 You're right to gripe. 130 pitches in that situation is a stupid risk to take. The potential costs vastly exceeding the benefits of keeping him in there that long. Hopefully it doesn't matter, but there is no reason to take chances like that, under the circumstances. You’re right to gripe. 130 pitches in that situation is a stupid risk to take. The potential costs vastly exceeding the benefits of keeping him in there that long. Hopefully it doesn’t matter, but there is no reason to take chances like that, under the circumstances.

]]> By: judpma http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103378 judpma Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:18:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103378 in about three weeks there won't be any Nud Hens left they will be called the Detroit Nudgers in about three weeks there won’t be any Nud Hens left they will be called the Detroit Nudgers

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103371 Sean C. in Illinois Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:56:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103371 Hey, Nud Hens! I like that. Some typos are too good to correct. Hey, Nud Hens! I like that. Some typos are too good to correct.

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103370 Sean C. in Illinois Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:55:44 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103370 "Are all of my posts started with “I wouldn’t be surprised…”? Jeez.'" Ha. Yeah, you are rather fond of the phrase, I guess. Wouldn't be surprised if you used it again. Beltran? Huh? Well, I've lost track of Beltran. I'm sure it makes sense. No sense in rushing Cruceta back again for this season, no matter how well he's doing with the Nud Hens. “Are all of my posts started with “I wouldn’t be surprised…”? Jeez.’”

Ha. Yeah, you are rather fond of the phrase, I guess. Wouldn’t be surprised if you used it again.

Beltran? Huh? Well, I’ve lost track of Beltran. I’m sure it makes sense. No sense in rushing Cruceta back again for this season, no matter how well he’s doing with the Nud Hens.

]]> By: Brian P http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103367 Brian P Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:43:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103367 Are all of my posts started with "I wouldn't be surprised..."? Jeez. Anyway. Zumaya just hit the 15 day DL. Francis Beltran up. Why not Cruceta? No options left? Are all of my posts started with “I wouldn’t be surprised…”? Jeez.

Anyway. Zumaya just hit the 15 day DL. Francis Beltran up. Why not Cruceta? No options left?

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103365 Sean C. in Illinois Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:38:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103365 Thank you, Brian. It was hard to figure why he wasn't/isn't hitting RHB/LHB more evenly, as in 2007, unless he just wasn't going inside on lefties. Or - as I take from your suggestion - that maybe he overthrows lefties more often. Thank you, Brian. It was hard to figure why he wasn’t/isn’t hitting RHB/LHB more evenly, as in 2007, unless he just wasn’t going inside on lefties. Or – as I take from your suggestion – that maybe he overthrows lefties more often.

]]> By: Brian P http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103362 Brian P Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:21:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103362 The 0 hit LHB doesn't surprise me. When Verlander wildly misses with the fastball, he seems to let it go early, causing it to fly out to the right. The 0 hit LHB doesn’t surprise me. When Verlander wildly misses with the fastball, he seems to let it go early, causing it to fly out to the right.

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103348 Sean C. in Illinois Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:10:17 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103348 I was looking at Verlander's platoon splits 2006-2008. Interesting oddities with HBP data (highlight: <i>ZERO</i> LHB plunked in both 2006 and 2008) and associated slight to moderate correlations. I found the following stranger still: IN-PLAY GROUNDBALL % - GDP RATE - GROUNDBALL BABIP 2006 41.3% - 1 every 37 BF - .220 2007 42.5% - 1 every 87 BF - .275 2008 41.8% - 1 every 68 BF - .271 I was looking at Verlander’s platoon splits 2006-2008. Interesting oddities with HBP data (highlight: ZERO LHB plunked in both 2006 and 2008) and associated slight to moderate correlations.

I found the following stranger still:

IN-PLAY GROUNDBALL % – GDP RATE – GROUNDBALL BABIP

2006 41.3% – 1 every 37 BF – .220
2007 42.5% – 1 every 87 BF – .275
2008 41.8% – 1 every 68 BF – .271

]]> By: Brian P http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103327 Brian P Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:14:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103327 This would be interesting to track throughout his career with a larger sample size. Perhaps a linear trend would indeed develop. I wouldn't be surprised if Verlander misses his next start. Halladay threw 130 in his last start, and since the Blue Jays are out of contention, he is being skipped this Thursday. I would like to see the Tigers do the same thing with Verlander. It's time to seriously start thinking for next year. This would be interesting to track throughout his career with a larger sample size. Perhaps a linear trend would indeed develop.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Verlander misses his next start. Halladay threw 130 in his last start, and since the Blue Jays are out of contention, he is being skipped this Thursday. I would like to see the Tigers do the same thing with Verlander. It’s time to seriously start thinking for next year.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103322 Kathy Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:59:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103322 Won't even pretend to understand all of it, but get your drift. It would be great if Justin could be more efficient with his pitches so it wouldn't get elevated by the 5th inning. Maybe his arm isn't meant to throw more than 90 or 100 pitches. Won’t even pretend to understand all of it, but get your drift. It would be great if Justin could be more efficient with his pitches so it wouldn’t get elevated by the 5th inning. Maybe his arm isn’t meant to throw more than 90 or 100 pitches.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/managing-verlanders-workload/#comment-103308 Jeff Molby Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:37:15 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/?p=3148#comment-103308 Great analysis. Great analysis.

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