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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/game-119-blue-jays-at-tigers/#comment-103345</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spoke with a couple diehard Mets fans today — they think the Mets will want to claim Sheffield. They need a corner outfielder.&quot;

Encouraging, T, even if it&#039;s only opinion. I&#039;m sure Gary would be all over going back to New York, especially across town. Anyone the Mets have the Tigers could actually use? Seems to me the deal would be be &quot;pay for some of him and he&#039;s yours.&quot; Even the Mets can&#039;t be &lt;i&gt;desperate&lt;/i&gt; for Sheffield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spoke with a couple diehard Mets fans today — they think the Mets will want to claim Sheffield. They need a corner outfielder.&#8221;</p>
<p>Encouraging, T, even if it&#8217;s only opinion. I&#8217;m sure Gary would be all over going back to New York, especially across town. Anyone the Mets have the Tigers could actually use? Seems to me the deal would be be &#8220;pay for some of him and he&#8217;s yours.&#8221; Even the Mets can&#8217;t be <i>desperate</i> for Sheffield.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can’t believe I didn’t think of this earlier.&quot;

Well, at least we have someone to blame now. You.</description>
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<p>Well, at least we have someone to blame now. You.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In thinking about Zumaya and the rest of the bullpen, I have a new theory:

1) Players acquired by the Detroit Lions almost universally end up (a) underperforming, (b) getting injured, or (c) dying.

2) Clearly, some sort of curse hovers over Ford Field.

3) The Tigers&#039; bullpen is the area of Comerica Park located nearest to Ford Field.

I think Dombrowski should call the Ghost Busters to determine whether the other-worldly bubble of negative energy that surrounds Ford Field extends just far enough to encapsulate the bullpen.

In fact, this theory can be extended further.  This season, we&#039;ve had poor performance from the guys who play on the half of the field nearest Ford Field (Jacque Jones, Renteria, Guillen in the field--plus Sheffield, who spends most of his time in the dugout).  Meanwhile, the guys furthest from that side of the stadium have performed quite well (Ordonez, Cabrera, Polanco).

I can&#039;t believe I didn&#039;t think of this earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In thinking about Zumaya and the rest of the bullpen, I have a new theory:</p>
<p>1) Players acquired by the Detroit Lions almost universally end up (a) underperforming, (b) getting injured, or (c) dying.</p>
<p>2) Clearly, some sort of curse hovers over Ford Field.</p>
<p>3) The Tigers&#8217; bullpen is the area of Comerica Park located nearest to Ford Field.</p>
<p>I think Dombrowski should call the Ghost Busters to determine whether the other-worldly bubble of negative energy that surrounds Ford Field extends just far enough to encapsulate the bullpen.</p>
<p>In fact, this theory can be extended further.  This season, we&#8217;ve had poor performance from the guys who play on the half of the field nearest Ford Field (Jacque Jones, Renteria, Guillen in the field&#8211;plus Sheffield, who spends most of his time in the dugout).  Meanwhile, the guys furthest from that side of the stadium have performed quite well (Ordonez, Cabrera, Polanco).</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I didn&#8217;t think of this earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoke with a couple diehard Mets fans today -- they think the Mets will want to claim Sheffield.  They need a corner outfielder.

If that deal happens, I somehow get the feeling the Mets will dupe DD into acquiring Aaron Heilman as part of the package.   One thing&#039;s for sure: he&#039;d fit right into the Tiger&#039;s bullpen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoke with a couple diehard Mets fans today &#8212; they think the Mets will want to claim Sheffield.  They need a corner outfielder.</p>
<p>If that deal happens, I somehow get the feeling the Mets will dupe DD into acquiring Aaron Heilman as part of the package.   One thing&#8217;s for sure: he&#8217;d fit right into the Tiger&#8217;s bullpen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/game-119-blue-jays-at-tigers/#comment-103326</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Interestingly, I think he’s better coming in with a clean slate. Put a runner in scoring position, and that run is as good as on the board.&quot;

My research on this is old, but I have no doubt that the above is only more true now. Unfortunately, I think it&#039;s true more or less across the board for the Tigers bullpen. Which may account for &quot;leaving them in too long.&quot; Might as well hope the current fire burns out, rather than throwing more gasoline on it. Especially with the price of gas these days. Save it for the next inning.

Is Jimmy Gobble back from the DL and available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interestingly, I think he’s better coming in with a clean slate. Put a runner in scoring position, and that run is as good as on the board.&#8221;</p>
<p>My research on this is old, but I have no doubt that the above is only more true now. Unfortunately, I think it&#8217;s true more or less across the board for the Tigers bullpen. Which may account for &#8220;leaving them in too long.&#8221; Might as well hope the current fire burns out, rather than throwing more gasoline on it. Especially with the price of gas these days. Save it for the next inning.</p>
<p>Is Jimmy Gobble back from the DL and available?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking around to see which contenders might be interested in Sheffield. How depressing. Only the Rays, Marlins, and Mets seem like possibilities.</description>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;but anyone should be just as able to come on and get that one out.&lt;/cite&gt;

One would think.  But if I were partying with Ken in LV, I wouldn&#039;t&#039;ve bet on it.   Interested to know how many inheirited runners Z has allowed.   

Interestingly, I think he&#039;s better coming in with a clean slate.  Put a runner in scoring position, and that run is as good as on the board.

There was a lot of goodwill left from 2006, but that tank is officially empty as far as I&#039;m concerned.  I&#039;m done giving Joel Zumaya the benefit of the doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>but anyone should be just as able to come on and get that one out.</cite></p>
<p>One would think.  But if I were partying with Ken in LV, I wouldn&#8217;t've bet on it.   Interested to know how many inheirited runners Z has allowed.   </p>
<p>Interestingly, I think he&#8217;s better coming in with a clean slate.  Put a runner in scoring position, and that run is as good as on the board.</p>
<p>There was a lot of goodwill left from 2006, but that tank is officially empty as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  I&#8217;m done giving Joel Zumaya the benefit of the doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or the fact that he simply isn&#039;t going to reach it this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or the fact that he simply isn&#8217;t going to reach it this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe it has something to do with him being a collosal jerk.&quot;

Or not playing in Boston. Just yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe it has something to do with him being a collosal jerk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or not playing in Boston. Just yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyobdy notice that when Man-Ram was approaching 500 HR there was a daily update on ESPN, but virtually nothing has been reported on Sheffield&#039;s approach?

Maybe it has something to do with him being a collosal jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyobdy notice that when Man-Ram was approaching 500 HR there was a daily update on ESPN, but virtually nothing has been reported on Sheffield&#8217;s approach?</p>
<p>Maybe it has something to do with him being a collosal jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Don’t forget, we’ll get to see Gary Sheffield (hopefully) hit his 500th career home run.&#039;

Yes. Sadly, I&#039;ll be unaware of this event for a day or two, since I only pay attention to games in progress involving the Tigers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Don’t forget, we’ll get to see Gary Sheffield (hopefully) hit his 500th career home run.&#8217;</p>
<p>Yes. Sadly, I&#8217;ll be unaware of this event for a day or two, since I only pay attention to games in progress involving the Tigers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there, just got back and we all want to puke. 

Great night for a game, great game until Z (BS) comes in. How about we put him and Leyalnd on Waivers too. This is too much. Leave Seay in and let the guy pitch out. 

While DD has done us well the Edger trade for JJ is not working out. Edger cant hit and we need a pitcher.

Have a great night guys............

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there, just got back and we all want to puke. </p>
<p>Great night for a game, great game until Z (BS) comes in. How about we put him and Leyalnd on Waivers too. This is too much. Leave Seay in and let the guy pitch out. </p>
<p>While DD has done us well the Edger trade for JJ is not working out. Edger cant hit and we need a pitcher.</p>
<p>Have a great night guys&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... things seemed to be going so well there for a while. Can&#039;t fault the Whipping Boys - 5 for 11, 3 RBI, 3 R, 2 HR, 2 2B. 1 BB and only 1 K, and an utterly insane 1 LOB. This only happens when the scorn we heap upon them reaches fever pitch, so let&#039;s keep it up. Can we add Zumaya to the Whipping Boys? Stat-wise, he&#039;s earned the promotion.

Ken, you ramblin&#039;, gamblin&#039; man - what are the odds Zumaya goes on the DL when Jones comes off? The Tigers use of the DL with pitchers this season suggests that it&#039;s a kinder, gentler of saying, you suck, so go away for a while, we&#039;ll just tell them you&#039;re hurt and have been hurting, saving face all around.

I&#039;m glad to have been educated on the finer points of waivers - I was one of the people exaggerating its significance. But I still think both the Tigers and Sheffield would be happier parting company, and find the suggestion that a deal for Sheffield may already have been in the works since just before the July deadline interesting.

Zach Miner! And no comments above on his fine quality start, oddly enough. Miner is, like, the new Armando Galarraga or something. If he keeps this up the rest of the way, I hope he comes into 2009 &quot;it&#039;s your spot to lose now&quot; and doesn&#039;t get jerked around again. He&#039;s a pretty bright spot in dismal Tigers times.

Someone tell Matt Joyce that he did the wrong Marcus Thames impersonation. And where was Miguel, now that I expect him to be the savior every game? What a weird line, 0 for 4 with 0 LOB. 

That bullpen. Wow, what a headache. But as far as Zumaya coming in for Seay goes, yeah, I can understanf the frustration when there&#039;s only one out to go and when Seay has been the lone consistent performer in the bullpen of late, but anyone should be just as able to come on and get that one out.

2 RHB due up, but Seay is better against RHB. However, Scutaro had a HR (!) and a walk in 3 PA vs. Seay. Scutaro is mostly helpless against power pitchers.  So, despite Scutaro having had a single in 1 PA vs, Zumaya, enter the power pitcher. Makes sense. Also, Alex Rios was hitless with a walk and 2 K in 5 PA vs. Zumaya. Too bad Zumaya blew it, but it was Zumaya, not Leyland. As far as I can tell, Zumaya didn&#039;t lose it until Barajas, and he was pulled immediately thereafter. Anyone else earlier would have been just another crapshoot, and I don&#039;t think Farnsworth against Lind inspired any sighs of relief until the ball was actually caught. The Tigers just don&#039;t have that go-to guy in the pen. There&#039;s nobody this year, despite all that seeming latent talent. (Hey, paired anagrams, how about it!) 

Seeing Zumaya blowing the the tight situations again and again reminds me of Cruceta earlier, except that Zumaya has actually been through the fire before. He may be well on his way to proving he&#039;s no bullpen guy. The talk about making him a starter doesn&#039;t seem so crazy to me any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; things seemed to be going so well there for a while. Can&#8217;t fault the Whipping Boys &#8211; 5 for 11, 3 RBI, 3 R, 2 HR, 2 2B. 1 BB and only 1 K, and an utterly insane 1 LOB. This only happens when the scorn we heap upon them reaches fever pitch, so let&#8217;s keep it up. Can we add Zumaya to the Whipping Boys? Stat-wise, he&#8217;s earned the promotion.</p>
<p>Ken, you ramblin&#8217;, gamblin&#8217; man &#8211; what are the odds Zumaya goes on the DL when Jones comes off? The Tigers use of the DL with pitchers this season suggests that it&#8217;s a kinder, gentler of saying, you suck, so go away for a while, we&#8217;ll just tell them you&#8217;re hurt and have been hurting, saving face all around.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to have been educated on the finer points of waivers &#8211; I was one of the people exaggerating its significance. But I still think both the Tigers and Sheffield would be happier parting company, and find the suggestion that a deal for Sheffield may already have been in the works since just before the July deadline interesting.</p>
<p>Zach Miner! And no comments above on his fine quality start, oddly enough. Miner is, like, the new Armando Galarraga or something. If he keeps this up the rest of the way, I hope he comes into 2009 &#8220;it&#8217;s your spot to lose now&#8221; and doesn&#8217;t get jerked around again. He&#8217;s a pretty bright spot in dismal Tigers times.</p>
<p>Someone tell Matt Joyce that he did the wrong Marcus Thames impersonation. And where was Miguel, now that I expect him to be the savior every game? What a weird line, 0 for 4 with 0 LOB. </p>
<p>That bullpen. Wow, what a headache. But as far as Zumaya coming in for Seay goes, yeah, I can understanf the frustration when there&#8217;s only one out to go and when Seay has been the lone consistent performer in the bullpen of late, but anyone should be just as able to come on and get that one out.</p>
<p>2 RHB due up, but Seay is better against RHB. However, Scutaro had a HR (!) and a walk in 3 PA vs. Seay. Scutaro is mostly helpless against power pitchers.  So, despite Scutaro having had a single in 1 PA vs, Zumaya, enter the power pitcher. Makes sense. Also, Alex Rios was hitless with a walk and 2 K in 5 PA vs. Zumaya. Too bad Zumaya blew it, but it was Zumaya, not Leyland. As far as I can tell, Zumaya didn&#8217;t lose it until Barajas, and he was pulled immediately thereafter. Anyone else earlier would have been just another crapshoot, and I don&#8217;t think Farnsworth against Lind inspired any sighs of relief until the ball was actually caught. The Tigers just don&#8217;t have that go-to guy in the pen. There&#8217;s nobody this year, despite all that seeming latent talent. (Hey, paired anagrams, how about it!) </p>
<p>Seeing Zumaya blowing the the tight situations again and again reminds me of Cruceta earlier, except that Zumaya has actually been through the fire before. He may be well on his way to proving he&#8217;s no bullpen guy. The talk about making him a starter doesn&#8217;t seem so crazy to me any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zumaya has 4 blown saves in only 21 appearances. That is staggering... miserable. It is definitely time to send him to Toledo. His cache with the fanbase has to be almost completely gone. The myth of Zumaya has been exposed. Goodbye Guitar Hero, box mover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zumaya has 4 blown saves in only 21 appearances. That is staggering&#8230; miserable. It is definitely time to send him to Toledo. His cache with the fanbase has to be almost completely gone. The myth of Zumaya has been exposed. Goodbye Guitar Hero, box mover.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget, we&#039;ll get to see Gary Sheffield (hopefully) hit his 500th career home run. AWESOME!</description>
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