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	<title>Comments on: Game 113:  Tigers at White Sox</title>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/08/game-113-tigers-at-white-sox/#comment-102688</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;I’m unaware of studies that compare those eras to the era of today as to the rate of arm injuries and length of a pitchers career and whatnot. &lt;/cite&gt;

That&#039;s because no study has ever found a correlation between innings pitched/pitches per game and injury.  Call me cynical, but I think limiting pitchers to the modern-day work load is more an idea concocted by agents/self-serving pitchers who can stretch out careers and garner fatter, bigger, and longer contracts by pampering their arms and limiting the work load.  In other words, it&#039;s just a numbers game.    

Hence the five-man rotation and limiting pitches per game.  I&#039;m not saying that trotting every pitcher out there 300 innings a year, or 150 - 170 pitches a game is necessarily a good game plan -- but I wouldn&#039;t necessarily be opposed to do so in certain situations, either, if the pitcher was conditioned to do so.  In my view, it&#039;s more a matter of increasing the odds of injury rather than causing injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>I’m unaware of studies that compare those eras to the era of today as to the rate of arm injuries and length of a pitchers career and whatnot. </cite></p>
<p>That&#8217;s because no study has ever found a correlation between innings pitched/pitches per game and injury.  Call me cynical, but I think limiting pitchers to the modern-day work load is more an idea concocted by agents/self-serving pitchers who can stretch out careers and garner fatter, bigger, and longer contracts by pampering their arms and limiting the work load.  In other words, it&#8217;s just a numbers game.    </p>
<p>Hence the five-man rotation and limiting pitches per game.  I&#8217;m not saying that trotting every pitcher out there 300 innings a year, or 150 &#8211; 170 pitches a game is necessarily a good game plan &#8212; but I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be opposed to do so in certain situations, either, if the pitcher was conditioned to do so.  In my view, it&#8217;s more a matter of increasing the odds of injury rather than causing injury.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely recommend it, Ron. The fragrance is beyond belief. Don&#039;t eat it, though (the whole plant is poisonous). Have a ham sandwich instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely recommend it, Ron. The fragrance is beyond belief. Don&#8217;t eat it, though (the whole plant is poisonous). Have a ham sandwich instead.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angel Trumpet flower. Next time I see one, I&#039;ll stick my nose up it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angel Trumpet flower. Next time I see one, I&#8217;ll stick my nose up it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They only stink relative to expectations, Ron. I would characterize their stink as the disappointment you would experience putting your nose up to an Angel Trumpet flower in full bloom one evening only to discover the nondescript yet faintly corrupt odor of a fresh ham sandwich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They only stink relative to expectations, Ron. I would characterize their stink as the disappointment you would experience putting your nose up to an Angel Trumpet flower in full bloom one evening only to discover the nondescript yet faintly corrupt odor of a fresh ham sandwich.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Stephen is saying, and it&#039;s plain as day to me, is that the team stinks worse than an overflowing, open septic tank. They stink worse than that ham sandwich stuck in the cushions of Coleman&#039;s couch since 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Stephen is saying, and it&#8217;s plain as day to me, is that the team stinks worse than an overflowing, open septic tank. They stink worse than that ham sandwich stuck in the cushions of Coleman&#8217;s couch since 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fat officials say that if the rate of obesity continues upward, everyone will be obese in 40 years. 2006, World Series losers; 2007 non playoff team; this year, below .500 team. We should surpass 40 wins in 2012 and hit the zero mark in 2016. Miggy should weigh about 400 lbs. then. Amanda, I miss Meijers. Great store. Dec. 94&#039;, gas was .96/ gal at their station in Southgate. Nation was only 2% obese. I loved their cheesecakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fat officials say that if the rate of obesity continues upward, everyone will be obese in 40 years. 2006, World Series losers; 2007 non playoff team; this year, below .500 team. We should surpass 40 wins in 2012 and hit the zero mark in 2016. Miggy should weigh about 400 lbs. then. Amanda, I miss Meijers. Great store. Dec. 94&#8242;, gas was .96/ gal at their station in Southgate. Nation was only 2% obese. I loved their cheesecakes.</p>
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		<title>By: MCM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line - ya can&#039;t fix this team with sorry ole Leyland at the helm.  He&#039;s too emotionally involved to see the big picture.  I mean, just take a look at him in the dugout - he&#039;s a nervous wreck, no way to set the tone for a winning team. 

So you start with Leyland, then Sheffy and Renteria must be gone for &#039;09.  

This is just the tip of the iceberg but it&#039;s a good starting point if the Tigers are gonna try to regroup for next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line &#8211; ya can&#8217;t fix this team with sorry ole Leyland at the helm.  He&#8217;s too emotionally involved to see the big picture.  I mean, just take a look at him in the dugout &#8211; he&#8217;s a nervous wreck, no way to set the tone for a winning team. </p>
<p>So you start with Leyland, then Sheffy and Renteria must be gone for &#8216;09.  </p>
<p>This is just the tip of the iceberg but it&#8217;s a good starting point if the Tigers are gonna try to regroup for next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rainy Hamilton broke Todd Jones with his carelessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rainy Hamilton broke Todd Jones with his carelessness.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a good post in a very recent game thread listing the toughest losses of 2008. All good choices, but I have to disagree. The 11 shutout losses are what I consider the toughest ones to take, even if they weren&#039;t the &quot;heartbreakers,&quot; and they&#039;re closely followed by a number of games where the pitching allowed 4 runs or less and the Tigers still lost.

There is no way any pitcher in MLB should have been able to shut out this lineup even once. Beat them, sure. Shut them out, no. That is a disgrace. If I wasn&#039;t a general subscriber to the Lemonade Philosophy, the fact that the Tigers could both put up 57 runs in 3 games and also go 11 without scoring even 1 would drive me nuts. If I remember nothing else about 2008, I&#039;ll remember this. 

You can&#039;t even pin it on the loss to injury or the underachievement of one or two guys. General team hittting failure. Even the guys putting up good to very good numbers have a share in that failure. They just haven&#039;t &lt;i&gt;gotten it together&lt;/i&gt; nearly often enough.

I&#039;m not excusing the pitching, the defense, or the bullpen. But it&#039;s the inconsistent hitting that has bugged me the most all season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a good post in a very recent game thread listing the toughest losses of 2008. All good choices, but I have to disagree. The 11 shutout losses are what I consider the toughest ones to take, even if they weren&#8217;t the &#8220;heartbreakers,&#8221; and they&#8217;re closely followed by a number of games where the pitching allowed 4 runs or less and the Tigers still lost.</p>
<p>There is no way any pitcher in MLB should have been able to shut out this lineup even once. Beat them, sure. Shut them out, no. That is a disgrace. If I wasn&#8217;t a general subscriber to the Lemonade Philosophy, the fact that the Tigers could both put up 57 runs in 3 games and also go 11 without scoring even 1 would drive me nuts. If I remember nothing else about 2008, I&#8217;ll remember this. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t even pin it on the loss to injury or the underachievement of one or two guys. General team hittting failure. Even the guys putting up good to very good numbers have a share in that failure. They just haven&#8217;t <i>gotten it together</i> nearly often enough.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not excusing the pitching, the defense, or the bullpen. But it&#8217;s the inconsistent hitting that has bugged me the most all season.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, there you are, Dave BW. Hey, your lemonade story, or parable, or metaphor, or analogy, or whatever it was, was pure lemon genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, there you are, Dave BW. Hey, your lemonade story, or parable, or metaphor, or analogy, or whatever it was, was pure lemon genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the picture seems strange, yet it seems familiar…&quot;

Coleman - Very nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the picture seems strange, yet it seems familiar…&#8221;</p>
<p>Coleman &#8211; Very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stephen:  there&#039;s probably fewer than a dozen people in America that are still talking about the Tigers as contenders any more, so you can really stop arguing that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stephen:  there&#8217;s probably fewer than a dozen people in America that are still talking about the Tigers as contenders any more, so you can really stop arguing that point.</p>
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		<title>By: cib</title>
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		<dc:creator>cib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amidst all this misery here is a sweet story about the &quot;soul of baseball&quot; that you all will enjoy

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080807/SPORTS0104/808070368/1004</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amidst all this misery here is a sweet story about the &#8220;soul of baseball&#8221; that you all will enjoy</p>
<p><a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080807/SPORTS0104/808070368/1004" rel="nofollow">http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb.....70368/1004</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave from Atlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave from Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey man hang in there. you are the only legit Tigers news I can get down here. Been reading everyday for 4 years.  

Thanks for all you do.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey man hang in there. you are the only legit Tigers news I can get down here. Been reading everyday for 4 years.  </p>
<p>Thanks for all you do.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I gaze into my crystal ball, I see a goat--no, it&#039;s a person, yes a baseball player, that&#039;s it...he seems very unhappy..I look closer, yes now I see, it&#039;s the one called Inge, he has lost something...no, it was taken from him...someone important has taken his catchers glove and is wearing it, and the angry one is being told to go behind the shortstop, yes they are telling him, backup shortstop...the picture seems strange, yet it seems familiar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I gaze into my crystal ball, I see a goat&#8211;no, it&#8217;s a person, yes a baseball player, that&#8217;s it&#8230;he seems very unhappy..I look closer, yes now I see, it&#8217;s the one called Inge, he has lost something&#8230;no, it was taken from him&#8230;someone important has taken his catchers glove and is wearing it, and the angry one is being told to go behind the shortstop, yes they are telling him, backup shortstop&#8230;the picture seems strange, yet it seems familiar&#8230;</p>
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