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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-101397</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make that 13.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100780</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scotsw:  Agreed.  The team is really &quot;only&quot; saving around $2.5 million in the deal though, since they&#039;ve already paid Pudge $8.6 mil (of $13 mil) and the Yankees have already paid Farnsworth $3.6 mil (of $5.5 mil).  Anyway, my only qualm is the fact that so many college relievers were drafted in the early rounds, presumably with an eye to them contributing *this* season.  You would think they could&#039;ve drafted for another position of need instead (C, SS) if the plan was to trade for a veteran bullpen guy.  All in all it&#039;s really kind of a wash, especially if Inge continues tonking HR all over the place.  If Farnsworth pitches his way into Type A status, all the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scotsw:  Agreed.  The team is really &#8220;only&#8221; saving around $2.5 million in the deal though, since they&#8217;ve already paid Pudge $8.6 mil (of $13 mil) and the Yankees have already paid Farnsworth $3.6 mil (of $5.5 mil).  Anyway, my only qualm is the fact that so many college relievers were drafted in the early rounds, presumably with an eye to them contributing *this* season.  You would think they could&#8217;ve drafted for another position of need instead (C, SS) if the plan was to trade for a veteran bullpen guy.  All in all it&#8217;s really kind of a wash, especially if Inge continues tonking HR all over the place.  If Farnsworth pitches his way into Type A status, all the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100774</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video is worse.  He was crying.  Not very intimidating I must say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video is worse.  He was crying.  Not very intimidating I must say.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The audio of Farnsworth&#039;s press conference is brutal.  Sounds like the dude is going to jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The audio of Farnsworth&#8217;s press conference is brutal.  Sounds like the dude is going to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobber</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100770</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call this irrational (it is), but I was savoring a Yankees team without a number one catcher. 

It&#039;s just that right now it&#039;s disappointing it was the Tigers who helped them out, whatever happens through September.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call this irrational (it is), but I was savoring a Yankees team without a number one catcher. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that right now it&#8217;s disappointing it was the Tigers who helped them out, whatever happens through September.</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
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		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, ok... Maybe not &quot;cash-strapped,&quot; but the Tigers are certainly overextended on salary, and I&#039;m sure that the disappointing performance this year had DD looking for ways to save some $.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, ok&#8230; Maybe not &#8220;cash-strapped,&#8221; but the Tigers are certainly overextended on salary, and I&#8217;m sure that the disappointing performance this year had DD looking for ways to save some $.</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100701</link>
		<dc:creator>scotsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh good lord, settle down ladies... 

Have you actually been paying attention to Dave Dombrowski? I have to believe that this is Step 1 in a plan that has a couple steps. They aren&#039;t giving up on 2008, that&#039;s obvious. And there had been plenty of trade rumors about Pudge, since we all knew he wasn&#039;t coming back next year. That wasn&#039;t really a secret, given his declining production and high cost.

When I saw Posada had season-ending surgery, I told my wife on Tuesday that meant Pudge was going to the Yankees. That&#039;s right: I called it. I thought it would net us a prospect at shortstop, but Farnsworth makes sense.

The key to this deal is the $6 million or whatever this saves us in salary. It was a BUSINESS decision which did not hurt the ballclub&#039;s chances in any meaningful way. Farnsworth is an above-average reliever. Everyone seems to want Cy Young in every deal.

Someone explain this to me: How can it be that getting rid of Farnsworth was &quot;giving up&quot; in 2005, and getting Farnsworth back is &quot;giving up&quot; or a &quot;terrible&quot; deal in 2008? That&#039;s nutty.

We lose a little offense from the catcher, we gain a + bullpen arm with playoff experience who is pitching well right now. It also sets the table for another move, and it saves a cash-strapped organization several million bucks.

I think this move just recognizes that a playoff spot is a longshot, and our real need is pitching, not offense. As evidenced by tonight&#039;s 14-12 circus show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh good lord, settle down ladies&#8230; </p>
<p>Have you actually been paying attention to Dave Dombrowski? I have to believe that this is Step 1 in a plan that has a couple steps. They aren&#8217;t giving up on 2008, that&#8217;s obvious. And there had been plenty of trade rumors about Pudge, since we all knew he wasn&#8217;t coming back next year. That wasn&#8217;t really a secret, given his declining production and high cost.</p>
<p>When I saw Posada had season-ending surgery, I told my wife on Tuesday that meant Pudge was going to the Yankees. That&#8217;s right: I called it. I thought it would net us a prospect at shortstop, but Farnsworth makes sense.</p>
<p>The key to this deal is the $6 million or whatever this saves us in salary. It was a BUSINESS decision which did not hurt the ballclub&#8217;s chances in any meaningful way. Farnsworth is an above-average reliever. Everyone seems to want Cy Young in every deal.</p>
<p>Someone explain this to me: How can it be that getting rid of Farnsworth was &#8220;giving up&#8221; in 2005, and getting Farnsworth back is &#8220;giving up&#8221; or a &#8220;terrible&#8221; deal in 2008? That&#8217;s nutty.</p>
<p>We lose a little offense from the catcher, we gain a + bullpen arm with playoff experience who is pitching well right now. It also sets the table for another move, and it saves a cash-strapped organization several million bucks.</p>
<p>I think this move just recognizes that a playoff spot is a longshot, and our real need is pitching, not offense. As evidenced by tonight&#8217;s 14-12 circus show.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey C.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100567</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrible.  Absolutely terrible.

I hope I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrible.  Absolutely terrible.</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100535</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I had the exact same reaction. &quot;Who else did we get?&quot;

Dumb. Thanks for getting the worse end of the deal with Brian Cashman, Mr. Dombrowski. I&#039;m so disenchanted with this front office lately. So frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I had the exact same reaction. &#8220;Who else did we get?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dumb. Thanks for getting the worse end of the deal with Brian Cashman, Mr. Dombrowski. I&#8217;m so disenchanted with this front office lately. So frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: West Coast Tiger</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100474</link>
		<dc:creator>West Coast Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See thought he was going to throw a wild pitch on the IBB</description>
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		<title>By: Pat in Carolina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat in Carolina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two most exciting Tiger moments of my adult life are in this order:

1) Magglio&#039;s homerun

2) The signing of Pudge.

I think having Pudge on the trade block was smart, but not to move him to get a Jason Grilli clone.  When you make a trade at the trade deadline it is either to win now or win later, this was win neither.

Does anyone get the feeling that after some brilliant moves early on, Dombrowski has gotten a little too trigger happy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two most exciting Tiger moments of my adult life are in this order:</p>
<p>1) Magglio&#8217;s homerun</p>
<p>2) The signing of Pudge.</p>
<p>I think having Pudge on the trade block was smart, but not to move him to get a Jason Grilli clone.  When you make a trade at the trade deadline it is either to win now or win later, this was win neither.</p>
<p>Does anyone get the feeling that after some brilliant moves early on, Dombrowski has gotten a little too trigger happy?</p>
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		<title>By: West Coast Tiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>West Coast Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Inge could come in and pitch to himself.</description>
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		<title>By: West Coast Tiger</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/pudge-traded-for-farnsworth/#comment-100460</link>
		<dc:creator>West Coast Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been away and have to say I never received so many phone calls and emails as today.  I have to say I was devastated at first.  Pudge is part of the Tiger Family.  I think he is/was the most competitive guy on the team.  My feeling is they felt he was going to leave at the end of the year and my guess is he won&#039;t be a Yankee next year either.

In order to get a quality pitcher they needed to fill a desperate need for someone else.  I predicted this after Posada went on the DL.  (Not the Farnsworth part).

Pudge we will miss you.  My kids are at camp and are going to be so upset when they get home.

Mark in Chicago

I thought Sean Casey was the most popular guy in the clubhouse.   (Let&#039;s not go there)  

Chemistry is a tough subject</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been away and have to say I never received so many phone calls and emails as today.  I have to say I was devastated at first.  Pudge is part of the Tiger Family.  I think he is/was the most competitive guy on the team.  My feeling is they felt he was going to leave at the end of the year and my guess is he won&#8217;t be a Yankee next year either.</p>
<p>In order to get a quality pitcher they needed to fill a desperate need for someone else.  I predicted this after Posada went on the DL.  (Not the Farnsworth part).</p>
<p>Pudge we will miss you.  My kids are at camp and are going to be so upset when they get home.</p>
<p>Mark in Chicago</p>
<p>I thought Sean Casey was the most popular guy in the clubhouse.   (Let&#8217;s not go there)  </p>
<p>Chemistry is a tough subject</p>
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		<title>By: JoJo Sun Devil</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoJo Sun Devil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS TRADE SUCKS!!!

I have always been under the school of thought that even if a catcher hits .180, if he catches the pitching staff outstanding, you don&#039;t trade him.  In fact you pay him.  He is like a coach on the field and your leader.

When the Tigs initially signed Pudge, the Tigs won 75 games.  Pudge was upset and told management that when he thought they were trying to build a winner.  They did.  That energetic leadership is what will be missed.

Inge might be ok as the everyday catcher, but I like the idea of leaving Inge at third, put Guillen back at short, Polanco at second, Cabrera at first, and send Renteria packing.

Farnsworth is an ok addition.  It probably means him in the 7th or 8th, Zumaya in the ninth and the end of the Todd Jones era, but wow...

I have always thought of Pudge as the corvette that the pitching staff rides in, and now we just sold the corvette.  
It&#039;s a sad day to be a Tigers fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS TRADE SUCKS!!!</p>
<p>I have always been under the school of thought that even if a catcher hits .180, if he catches the pitching staff outstanding, you don&#8217;t trade him.  In fact you pay him.  He is like a coach on the field and your leader.</p>
<p>When the Tigs initially signed Pudge, the Tigs won 75 games.  Pudge was upset and told management that when he thought they were trying to build a winner.  They did.  That energetic leadership is what will be missed.</p>
<p>Inge might be ok as the everyday catcher, but I like the idea of leaving Inge at third, put Guillen back at short, Polanco at second, Cabrera at first, and send Renteria packing.</p>
<p>Farnsworth is an ok addition.  It probably means him in the 7th or 8th, Zumaya in the ninth and the end of the Todd Jones era, but wow&#8230;</p>
<p>I have always thought of Pudge as the corvette that the pitching staff rides in, and now we just sold the corvette.<br />
It&#8217;s a sad day to be a Tigers fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in 'the ATL'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave in 'the ATL'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read through all these posts and Jeff makes the best point, Pudge was a HUGE leader on this team amongst his Latino peers.  I hope DD factored this into the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read through all these posts and Jeff makes the best point, Pudge was a HUGE leader on this team amongst his Latino peers.  I hope DD factored this into the equation.</p>
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