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Game 97: Tigers at Orioles

PREGAME: It will be Nate Robertson and Daniel Cabrera. Cabrera isn’t on pace to walk over 100 batters for the first time in history. But he’s still walking 4 batters per nine innings. Cabrera typically posted above average K’s numbers in his career, but now he’s only fanning 5 per nine innings.

DET @ BAL, Saturday, July 19, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

Game Time 7:05

POSTGAME: Worst loss of the year. Blown lead. Blown comeback. Blown call. Blown season.

Posted by on July 19, 2008.

Categories: 2008 Season, Game Post

129 Responses

  1. Please, oh please, let Daniel Cabrera hit Sheff with a pitch like he did last April 30th.

    That was one heck of an entertaining game, plus it got Sheff’s bat going for the next 3 months until he got hurt. I usually don’t like it when a batter tries to show up the pitcher, but the way those two were glaring at each other, how fired up everyone got, was so cool.

    Now I gotta go to MLB.com and try to find video of it…

    by Rick G on Jul 19, 2008 at 3:32 pm

  2. Here’s a page that has a link to the video

    by Rick G on Jul 19, 2008 at 3:48 pm

  3. Larish at third

    by Russ on Jul 19, 2008 at 5:03 pm

  4. Inge is sporting a shaved head. Maybe it is because it is 1000 degrees! Sitting in section 49 roasting.

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 6:53 pm

  5. Will Larish be better than Munson? Just a thought.

    by Russ on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:05 pm

  6. GO MIGGY!

    by Amanda on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:13 pm

  7. LARISH!!!!

    by Russ on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:16 pm

  8. Now Larrish hits a homer!! Awesome start to the game hope this keeps up :)

    by Amanda on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:17 pm

  9. Wow! 6-0. only 1 out still in the 1st.

    by Chief Monday on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:17 pm

  10. Nate come on!

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:30 pm

  11. Cabrera hit a 3-run homer that should now count as a 2-run after that totally incompetent play at first costing an extra run.

    It is hard to feel secure with this team even when they start with a big inning. When will the starters learn not to throw BP pitches over the middle of the plate?

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:32 pm

  12. Both Cabrera’s look like great fielders, huh?

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:36 pm

  13. Nate Robinson is the Rex Grossman of pitchers

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:46 pm

  14. Nate seems to be struggling right out of the gate, but hopefully he finds his groove as he escapes innings without damage

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 7:52 pm

  15. Let’s get Aquilino warming up please

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:05 pm

  16. Three straight hits…. Yea, it’s Aquilino time

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:09 pm

  17. I like Nate, but he’s been awful lately. As in 2008.

    by Chris Y. on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:13 pm

  18. Is there anyone out there foolish enough to have thought this was not going to happen?….LOL.

    It was as predictable as could be………

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:13 pm

  19. This is absolutely horrible. Baltimore is not a good hitting team.

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:15 pm

  20. Good thing Drombrowski had the foresight to lock Nate up before he could hit the open market. He might have been worth $15 million per year with a bidding war.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:15 pm

  21. Now we see why this Tiger season is doomed… Really poor talent levels at key positions. Nate Robinson isn’t proving himself to be good enough to be a #5 starter. Trouble is, he is supposed to be our #4 starter.

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:16 pm

  22. Three straight hits…. Yea, it’s Aquilino time

    At least the Tigers have been kind enough to provide both left-handed and right-handed batting practice pitchers for the Orioles tonight.

    by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:20 pm

  23. Just like that, a five run lead GONE!!!!!!!

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:20 pm

  24. Up until this year, Nate has been a more than respectable #4/#5 starter with a penchant for bad luck.

    It’s just this year his stuff looks flat. I think his numbers overall, and esp. vs. LHB really show just how bad he’s been.

    by Chris Y. on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:20 pm

  25. Jeez…this is just pitiful. There’s nothing more to say. Okay, one more thing. The Orioles already have 11 hits in three innings.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:21 pm

  26. Chris, you are right on. Go back to the games earlier in the year and ead my comments if they are still there. This is not a good team and certainly unworthy of playoff consideration.

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:21 pm

  27. ERRRRR….It’s Cassey time

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:23 pm

  28. I think this game marks the turning point where the Tigers become sellers @ the deadline. This team is going nowhere.

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:24 pm

  29. Y’all remember that major screw up by Miguel Cabrera in the bottom of the first? Y’all think it might make a difference now?

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:25 pm

  30. Tigers are going to need another touchdown in order to win this one.

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:27 pm

  31. It’s tough to win games with only two above average defenders — Granderson and Polanco.

    Renteria can’t move. Magglio has had a nightmare covering the ground in Camden. And Cabrera, they can invent a new way to describe that first inning play, because ‘gaffe’ isn’t strong enough.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:30 pm

  32. Note the following:

    1) Detroit has paid large amounts of money for players that have not really produced as expected, (Willis, Renteria, and to a lesser extent, Cabrera.but he screws up at first as much as he helps with the bat)
    2) They have no really good infielders besides Polanco (except when Inge is at 3rd)
    3) Relief pitchers are probably the worst in the league; totally inept at getting out of trouble, or preventing further damage.
    4) No one seems to know how to run the bases or bunt.

    The teams that always, always, always, beat us, and have the real respect of the others in the league (Twins, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels) are not weak in these areas.

    The whole picture of this team is of an non-cohesive group of very talented individuals who are quite unpredictable functioning as a team.

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  33. I personally think this team has plenty of talent to throw their hat in the ring for 162.

    Underperformance and injury have certainly played major roles, and I doubt most of the MLB media and the hoards of Tigers fans who had high expectations for this team were all on crack.

    This team may or may not be good enough to win the number of games needed to make the playoffs, but tonights performance will only be 1/162 for that result.

    by Chris Y. on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  34. This is a Piston level meltdown

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:34 pm

  35. This performance by Nate was inexcusable. He was given a 7 runs for support and was tagged for 7 runs as he was chased out after an awful 2.1 innings.

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:34 pm

  36. I hate to be this kind of fan, but I’m an inning from shutting this nightmare off and saving myself some stress.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:35 pm

  37. Why is everyone so harsh? The Tigers are only human, of flesh and blood they’re made. They can come back! It’s
    still early! And they can start a 10 game winning streak! Keep the faith!

    by stephen on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:36 pm

  38. Stephen, if they come back and win this, you name a charity and I will donate $50.00 to it.

    This criticism is not meant to belittle the team as human beings. It is meant to point out what they are like as a baseball team. It is really amazing how players in the 60′s could get paid percent of what thee guys make, but you never saw them lose leads like this. This team has done it several times this year.

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:43 pm

  39. You know it’s a bleak night when stephen is the cheerleader on the board.

    Let’s get the bats going and pull this one out! I’m thinking 13-11?

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:45 pm

  40. The people in Detroit will awaken to realize that pizza money can not guarantee a champion any more than car money can. You can not buy champion teams.

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:45 pm

  41. Tigers as a team seam to be doing everything they can to hand over a W to Cabrera after 7 runs is put up… unbelievable as he has struggled so mightily.

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:46 pm

  42. Just got home! Did I miss anything?

    by K-man on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:46 pm

  43. sky, I’m sure you could find countless examples of teams blowing big leads in ANY era.

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:46 pm

  44. I guess what makes this so disgusting is that after the top of the 1st inning when the Tigers got a 6 run lead, I had a very strong feeling in my gut that they would still lose this game. I have not missed an inning all year and this is just the way they are. Frankly, it’s getting to a point where I wish I had not paid for my MLB tv subscription. I could be watching first run movies on demand with that money.

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  45. It’s only a game. I’m sure they are trying their hardest.

    by stephen on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:51 pm

  46. Edgar needs to be DFA’d

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:53 pm

  47. Ryan, I am thinking in particular of the Tigers in 68 and those years. I can not remember it ever happening with the frequency it has happened to this team this year. Detroit has done it several times already this season and come close many other times.

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:53 pm

  48. But my point is that this is not a winning TEAM! It is a collection of talented individuals! There is a difference! Even Leyland said yesterday that this is his problem!

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:54 pm

  49. I missed the first inning. But I have to admit, when I tuned in and it was 6-0, my first thought was of the Minnesota game from earlier in the year.

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 8:55 pm

  50. Cleatprints.. Author unknown.

    Last night Leyland had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the bases with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life; leads blown, players left unmotivated. For each scene, Leyland noticed two sets of cleatprints in the basepaths: one belonged to Leyland, the other to the Lord.

    After the last season of Leyland’s life flashed before him, he looked back at the cleatprints on the basepaths. He noticed that at many times along the path the 2008 season, especially at the very lowest and saddest times, there was only one set of cleatprints.

    This really troubled Leyland, so he asked the Lord about it. “Lord, you said once I decided to follow you, You’d walk with me all the way. But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life, there was only one set of cleatprints. I don’t understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me.”

    The Lord replied, “My son, my precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of suffering, when you could see only one set of cleatprints, it was then that I fired you.”

    by stephen on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:00 pm

  51. “You can not buy champion teams.”

    Tell that to the Boston Red Sox.

    No you cannot buy a championship team when you have a GM signing up mediocre players for long term contracts. It is amazing to me that we all know how Nate Robertson isn’t going to surprise anyone and have a better than average year. Yet Dombrowski seems to be so compelled to commit to him for a long time. It’s as if he was saying that he is not interested in having an outstanding pitching staff. That mediocre is good enough. Nobody will ever take that guy’s job away by being better. Not if Dombrowski has his way.

    And then of course he trades away one of our best pitching prospects for a lousy shortstop that we did not need. Good move, because who knows? That pitcher had upside and we can’t let Nate Robertson lose his job. We can’t have better.

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:00 pm

  52. I’ll always be skeptical of the “chemistry” argument (i think that’s what you’re getting at sky). I just don’t see how that has anything to do with Nate Robertson sucking wind tonight. Followed by Aqualino doing a fine Nate Robertson sucking wind impression. I know Nate hasn’t been great by any stretch this year, but he’s usually good for 6IP and 5 runs. That wouldn’t look so bad right now.

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:04 pm

  53. Rod Allen is confident baby. Believe in Rod Allen.

    by Dylan on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:09 pm

  54. Obviously this game is far from over, but it is going to go down to the end, and the Tigers have not fared well this year on the road with small leads in late innings.

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:10 pm

  55. Crooked hat or Jones to blow it?

    by mcb on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:18 pm

  56. Tigers get a field goal but they really needed a touchdown. Well, they do have another quarter left to either kick a couple more or to push it in the endzone.

    and then, if only our defense can stop the bleeding…… D-FENSE, D-FENSE, D-FENSE!!!!

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:23 pm

  57. ….And then I look at the scoreboard only to see that the Vikings have a hefty 12 point lead in the 4th quarter. That damn Adrian Peterson.

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:27 pm

  58. I agree with sky. I don’t think chemistry has anything to do with it either. This team is just poorly constructed (DD’s fault): too slow (on he bases and in the field), guys playing out of position (or new positions), too many DH types, too much reliance on veterans at the expense of youth and poorly managed.

    by Vince in MN on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:29 pm

  59. “Crooked hat or Jones to blow it?”

    Looks like crocked hat is going to not let Jones have a chance.

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:30 pm

  60. So…Fernando Rodney is now available…that would net the Tigers, what? a couple spare balls, maybe a new pitching machine?

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:33 pm

  61. Crooked Helmet stuffs the running back at the goal line on 4th down…. nice…. And we see that the Chiefs are beating up on the Bears………

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:36 pm

  62. Wow – we really got the sunshine crew in effect here tonight.

    mcb – “Crooked hat or Jones to blow it?”

    sky – “I guess what makes this so disgusting is that after the top of the 1st inning when the Tigers got a 6 run lead, I had a very strong feeling in my gut that they would still lose this game.”

    Chris – “Looks like crocked hat is going to not let Jones have a chance.”

    Vince – ” This team is just poorly constructed (DD’s fault)…”

    With friends like you guys…

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:38 pm

  63. Hit-and-run with Renteria, who can’t run? Great strategy. Brilliant.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:41 pm

  64. And with Inge at the plate – who’s more than likely to swing and miss (or in this case – miss the sign and not even bother to swing).

    (OK, I guess I’m on the downer crew, too).

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:43 pm

  65. “Hit-and-run with Renteria, who can’t run? Great strategy. Brilliant.”

    ..and then you had Inge, who can’t hit……

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:43 pm

  66. I thought Renteria was hobbling, so why is he running. Hey Jim, how about pinch-running in Santiago if you want to do that play.

    by Vince in MN on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:43 pm

  67. There’s no being a downer with bad baseball theory.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:45 pm

  68. Ryan:
    Sometimes the truth hurts.

    by Vince in MN on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:47 pm

  69. Yeah Vince. And it hurts all the more with a boneheaded managerial call like the old “hit and run with the one-legged man”.

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:50 pm

  70. Leyland is an idiot.

    by Vince in MN on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:54 pm

  71. That fan got jacked up, wow!

    by jason on Jul 19, 2008 at 9:59 pm

  72. zumaya impressive.

    by jason on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:18 pm

  73. Zumaya and Rodney both quite impressive.

    by billfer on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:19 pm

  74. Predictions for Jones?

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:22 pm

  75. ooh, ooh! jones is not getting ready for the 9th!

    by jason on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:22 pm

  76. Wow, I wasn’t going to predict that he wouldn’t come in. But that is indeed what I would prefer!

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:24 pm

  77. Everybody take a deep breath…

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:28 pm

  78. unreal.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:30 pm

  79. I, like everyone else I’m sure, wanted Zoom in there for the 9th rather than Jones. Sometimes stuff happens.

    by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:30 pm

  80. speechless…

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:32 pm

  81. A meatball is a meatball, no matter hw fast it is.

    by Vince in MN on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:32 pm

  82. I just realized, both the batter, Markakis, and the pitcher, Zumaya, have long sleeves on. ugh.

    by jason on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:35 pm

  83. I love all of you guys and I say this as a blog-friend but you all have the “man-love” for Zumaya! If Jones serves that one up, it’s the death penalty, when Zumaya does it, it’s “oh well, stuff happens!!” :-)
    Personally, I am always worried when he’s out there because he goes from good to bad like falling off a cliff. But fortunately I’m back to pre-2006 mode where I don’t expect anything and if they win I am pleasantly surprised. It makes it much easier to get thru the week.
    ‘night all!

    by cib on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:38 pm

  84. To me Zumaya out there means nothing like oooh he’s the new closer. It means Leyland is playing for extra innings…

    by Coleman on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:46 pm

  85. Who’s pitching the bottom of 10?

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:46 pm

  86. If Jones serves that one up, it’s the death penalty, when Zumaya does it, it’s “oh well, stuff happens!!”

    My point, of course, was that I’d rather pitch Zumaya in that situation than Todd Jones. I thought that would give the team a better chance at winning. Given their numbers so far this year and Zumaya’s easy 8th inning, I’d still make the same decision.

    Instead of posting something 20-20 hindsight like “ohmigod why did they have Zoom throw a second inning, Leyland’s such a dimwit”, I owned up to my preference.

    But, as I said, stuff happens.

    by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:47 pm

  87. Ryan in Brooklyn (Brooklyn??): “And with Inge at the plate – who’s more than likely to swing and miss (or in this case – miss the sign and not even bother to swing).”

    I’m thinking Inge doesn’t miss the sign…I mean, dude is catcher, right? I say it’s 50-50- Inge gets the sign, but can’t do anything about getting the bat on the ball, or oh wait, we forgot to give the batter the sign (see LaMont, Gene: Wacky Times Behind 3rd, My Life as a Coach).

    by Coleman on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  88. damn…sheff actually hit it too hard, if that was possible.

    polanco definitely safe on replay. that kind of night.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  89. jason in brooklyn (OK I made up the Brooklyn part): “I just realized, both the batter, Markakis, and the pitcher, Zumaya, have long sleeves on. ugh.”

    If they got married, and hyphenated their names, I bet they would be the only Zumaya-Markakises on the planet, don’t you think?

    by Coleman on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  90. Horrible call by the ump. I can understand anticipating something and making an out call, but normally you anticipate the guy scoring when the throw’s off a few feet

    Who cares, never mind, this loss hurts . . .

    by Jeff on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  91. ROBBED!

    I’m now in favor of replay.

    Just got @##$$%

    by West Coast Tiger on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  92. I just want to know if that son of a bitch umpire will get called on that by anyone!

    by sky on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm

  93. gutted…and gary thorne coming close to hawk harrelson-level annoying status. go back to hockey, guy.

    by Mike in CT on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm

  94. Coleman – if Lamont goofed the sign, that means Renteria was running (hobbling) on his own. Doubtful.

    Oh, and Freddy is not so solid (or sexy).

    good night.

    by Ryan in Brooklyn on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm

  95. I don’t think replay would have helped us. Aren’t they talking about just doing replays for disputed HRs?

    by jason on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:56 pm

  96. Can we please put an end to this nonsense about these guys taking the division this year.

    by Vince in MN on Jul 19, 2008 at 10:57 pm

  97. Oh, nothing personal Jeff, I just think everyone went thru the beginning of the season expecting Zumaya to magically make it all better, and now that he’s back the expectation is that he’ll always be perfect. I’m just not a big fan of his and I do not see him as future closer. Not claiming to have the answers, though, I’m as frustrated and puzzled as the next gal.

    by cib on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:00 pm

  98. Ryan: it used to be sometimes, at least back in my day, different guys were in charge of getting the signs to the various players…e.g. someone on the bench gives the sign, the 3rd base coach relays it to the batter and the 1st base coach relays it to the runner (or visa-versa, or both relay fake signs, or etc etc). I don’t seriously think LaMont forgot to give the sign. Yet I also don’t think it is likely Inge missed it. So who knows what happened. But yeah, of all the bad things you could say about Renteria–quite unlikely he was running on his own cause he felt like it.

    by Coleman on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:02 pm

  99. That was a killer!

    by Kathy on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:10 pm

  100. WCT: “ROBBED! I’m now in favor of replay.”

    For what it’s worth, Jim “Old School Smoking Man Curmudgeonly Stick-In-The-Mud” Leyland is one of the big replay proponents. But as somebody already pointed out, it wouldn’t have helped tonight.

    Also: it’s hard to garner much sympathy for the bad call that 1) contributes to you LOSING 11 – 10, and 2) Losing on a HR by a guy named LUKE (note: no World Series winner ever lost an extra inning game on a HR by a guy named Luke).

    by Coleman on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:19 pm

  101. Cleatprints.. Author unknown.

    Last night Leyland had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the bases with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life; leads blown, players left unmotivated. For each scene, Leyland noticed two sets of cleatprints in the basepaths: one belonged to Leyland, the other to the Lord.

    After the last season of Leyland’s life flashed before him, he looked back at the cleatprints on the basepaths. He noticed that at many times along the path the 2008 season, especially at the very lowest and saddest times, there was only one set of cleatprints.

    This really troubled Leyland, so he asked the Lord about it. “Lord, you said once I decided to follow you, You’d walk with me all the way. But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life, there was only one set of cleatprints. I don’t understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me.”

    The Lord replied, “My son, my precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of suffering, when you could see only one set of cleatprints, it was then that I fired you.”

    by stephen on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:30 pm

  102. This season officially blows…… Back to poor performances in clutch, game deciding situations… Back to May baseball…. Back to below 500… Back to fighting Cleveland and KC for bottom of the AL Central.

    The Orioles have been killing this team with home runs… one after another, after another

    by Chris on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:45 pm

  103. “Cleatprints.. Author unknown.”

    According to Wackipedia the author is Grilli, Jason.

    Strangely enough, he appears to have no middle name. If the Tigers had noticed that they could have saved themselves much grief. No middle name is worse than Common First Name Spelled Weird (although not quite as bad as Two First Names).

    by Coleman on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:46 pm

  104. Coleman:

    Your comments about the name “Luke” compel me to mention that my brothers and I referred to Matt Nokes almost exclusively as “Luke” due to his resemblance (at least to pre-adolescent eyes) to Luke Skywalker.

    That is all…

    by Joel in Seattle on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:52 pm

  105. OK, I admit I made up the statistic about game winning HRs in extra innings by guys named Luke. I admit it because a random voice in my head just said, “Luke Appling.” The guy probably only had about 50 HR, but with my luck at least one of them was probably an extra inning game winner. So Sean C or whoever is looking it up can relax now.

    On the brighter side, I did learn that one of the players that is a “similar batter” to Luke “Not Appling” Scott is “Lou Skizas,” who I now know is also known as “The Nervous Greek” and actually played for the Tigers in 1958. (Since nobody seems to have reclaimed the nickname from him, I’m assuming the Greeks are generally either not a nervous or not a baseball-playing sort). Also similar to: Matt Stairs. For the love of Bill Fahey, we got beat by a kind of nervous, Greek version of Matt Stairs…

    by Coleman on Jul 19, 2008 at 11:58 pm

  106. I still think the Cleveland loss was worse…

    by Tbone on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:02 am

  107. “I still think the Cleveland loss was worse…”

    I think the only loss that was worse was the Kansas City one. And the other Kansas City one. And the other Kansas City one. And the other Kansas City one. And also: the other Kansas City one. And worst of all: the other Kansas City one.

    by Coleman on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:07 am

  108. Tigers are 11 games under v. Min and KC, and 10 games over against the rest of MLB.

    by Kevin in Austin on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:20 am

  109. OK I feel better now…not about the game–we still lost, and got beaten not only by a guy named Luke, but by one with the Two Last Name thing (Luke Scott…Scott, Luke…or is it Scott Luke?). I rashly jumped to conclusions and assumed nobody named Luke ever came to any good in baseball, then I remembered Luke Appling (as in Luke “Hall of Fame” Appling you dumb Luke-hater!).

    But then I looked up his stats (my HR estimate of 50 was actually quite a bit high) and saw his full name and thought aha! For he may have gone by Luke Appling, but damned if he wasn’t born LUCIUS BENJAMIN APPLING. I’ll eat my hat, or if I’m not wearing one, I’ll buy one and then eat it, if “Luke” Scott (or is it Scott Luke?) was born “Lucius Bartholemew Scott” or anything redeeming like that.

    Actually it is sort of sad knowing “Old Aches & Pains” (one of Appling’s two nicknames) had to go through his career as Luke rather than Lucius, due to the strong prejudice at the time against all things Ancient Roman.

    (His other nickname, to drop the other shoe as they say, was “Luscious Luke,” and now I think I don’t really want to read anything more about that era for a while…)

    by Coleman on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:25 am

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    by That blows » Mack Avenue Tigers : A Detroit Tigers Blog on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:29 am

  111. Kevin in Ivinsville:

    “Tigers are 11 games under v. Min and KC, and 10 games over against the rest of MLB.”

    If only that were the extent of it! For in addition to plagueing the Tigers, the Royals tend to mail it in vs. the Twins and White Sox. Thus their record against the AL Central:

    CWS 2 – 6
    MIN 2 – 7
    DET 6 – 0
    CLE 4 – 4

    Note they seem to play fair against Cleveland, so the Tri Ebb have only themselves to blame. But the Tigers hardly have a chance with KC sweeping them, and then turning around and handing games to Min and Chi like that. Hopefully Bud Selig will do something about it.

    by Coleman on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:49 am

  112. “Blown season”? Jeez, Billfer, you sound like the worst dregs on MTS when you say crap like that.

    And if it is a “blown season” (which I consider an impossibility if they are playing meaningful games into September), at least a part of it has something to do with Willis being in A-Ball and Bonderman being out for the season and Nate imploding. It’s really hard to win when 3/5 of your rotation going into the year isn’t there or might as well not be.

    by Eric Cioe on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:31 am

  113. One of the things that used to make me sad back in the day, before I was mature enough to manipulate statistics and ridicule players’ names, was looking at the various lists of league leaders and seeing…no Tigers. That is why Cecil Fielder was such a godsend: the Tigers sucked only slightly less, but hey when you opened the Sports section you at least got to see under HR Leaders “Fielder DET.”

    So it’s a bit deflating to look at aforementioned lists now…for the Tigers are few and far between, though the lists have multiplied.

    Tonight I was scrolling through the leaders page on the Baseball Reference site and a couple of DET’s caught my eye…alas, the category was Grounded Into Double Plays. Still, Ordonez and Renteria are representing us quite well, tied with Vlad, Derek Jeter, and each other for 2nd with 14. (One surprise: that means Pudge isn’t even in the top 2 on the Tigers?).

    by Coleman on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:37 am

  114. This is it guys, I hate to say this, I really do, but I don’t think it’s happening.

    We just can’t win games we must win. We’re missing some sort of “x-factor.”

    In 2006 we did, last year in the first half we did. This year, no.

    This team will go down as one of the most under-achieving teams of all time.

    The post game analysis sums it up.

    by RudeMood19 on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:47 am

  115. Eric Cioe:
    “And if it is a “blown season” (which I consider an impossibility if they are playing meaningful games into September), at least a part of it has something to do with Willis being in A-Ball and Bonderman being out for the season and Nate imploding.”

    I don’t know if I’d say the difference between Nate this year and Nate last year counts as an “implosion.” But I do think not enough is made of the loss of Bonderman–he was the number 2 starter after all, not just some guy on the DL.

    Still, I think I think your point shows there are some obvious explanations for the Tigers not doing as well as expected, but even so…that leaves them still not doing as well as expected.

    The phrase ‘blown season” might be a bit dramatic, but it seems like billfer has been very level-headed all along about the Tigers’ chances; but even some of the more optimistic arguments have been saying, wait until after the all-star break before you start worrying about how they are doing. Well, we are there now.

    It would be dumb to say it’s hopeless or the season’s over or any of that; but I’d say at this point it would be generous to say that the odds of playing meaningful games in September or not is more than 50/50.

    by Coleman on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:55 am

  116. “This team will go down as one of the most under-achieving teams of all time.”

    This is the one thing I don’t agree with…because they are so underachieving based on such overblown expectations.

    Disappointing? Sure. Historically bad? Ehhh…

    by Coleman on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:58 am

  117. “We just can’t win games we must win. We’re missing some sort of ‘x-factor.’”

    They’re called good, healthy starting pitchers.

    by Eric Cioe on Jul 20, 2008 at 2:04 am

  118. “We’re missing some sort of ‘x-factor.”

    And yet we DO have Smoking Man…

    by Coleman on Jul 20, 2008 at 2:19 am

  119. I guess I should be glad I had to miss this one tonight? I’m with Erik Cioe that we’ve definitely had more than our share of set-backs, but even watching the highlights I (yes, even I, Mike R.) got that acid-y taste in the back of my throat. Bill’s postgame seems to succinctly wrap it up.

    by Mike R on Jul 20, 2008 at 2:40 am

  120. I’m in agreement with Bill — worst loss of the year. I think the season may be a vast psychological experiment designed to discover the optimum collection of components for fan frustration.

    by Dave BW on Jul 20, 2008 at 8:08 am

  121. I have to agree with Billfer. You know how for the whole season now we’ve been saying “THIS is the game that will turn it around!!” after a win – well, this is the game that turned it around the other way, stalled it, buried it, whatever. Like I said, back in pre-06 mode now, just hoping for good weather and someone else buying the beer when I have tickets, anything more is a bonus.

    by cib on Jul 20, 2008 at 8:50 am

  122. I hate to keep saying it: The Tigers have only one good starter, Verlander, and only one more good starter in the minors, Porcello. End of Story, End of Season. Galaraga and Rogers often pitch well enough to keep the team close if the Tigers happen to hit the other guy. Robertson is not good and just cannot be allowed to take the mound much longer. Willis is continually horrible. Bonderman is a .500 pitcher who has enough tease to get something in return on a trade, but not for much longer — Billy Beane long ago saw the limitations of Mr. Bonderman.

    The trade of JJ before the season had a bigger impact than the MC trade on this and the next few seasons. Drombowski’s failure to evaluate pitching talent, unlike Theo Epstein or Billy Beane, has turned this team into the Texas Rangers.

    THE TIGERS DON’T HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH PITCHING. THEY ARE, THEREFORE, NOT A GOOD TEAM. Forget the underachieving stuff, they are achieving at exactly the level an all-bat no-pitching old team should be achieving: .500.

    They need to trade Maggs for a top-level no. 2 starter and a quality pitching prospect that might project as a no.4-5 in a year or two. That should be DD’s top priority for the next ten days. See what’s in front of your eyes! In fact, throw in Sheff, Pudge, and Renteria for nothing. Get younger and get pitchier ASAP!

    by Palmcroft on Jul 20, 2008 at 9:25 am

  123. Hopefully this team is disassembled by next weekend. Ship out Magglio, Pudge, Rogers, Robertson, Guillen, some young guys, whatever it takes. This team isn’t going to win.

    by Ryan P on Jul 20, 2008 at 10:38 am

  124. Eric – I’m not saying that the injuries aren’t a problem. Of course they are. I’m not assigning blame or anything like that. But whether it’s injuries or underperformance the season has been a huge disappointment.

    The Tigers dug too big of a hole to be pissing away the games they are supposed to win. There will definitely be losses and I’m talking less about the opponent, but the fact that during the course of the game the Tigers had it in control and blew it.

    At the same time, selling everyone would be dumb as well. This team’s window isn’t closed. Selling some (Pudge, Rogers if he consents) players who won’t be likely back next year makes sense. But Magglio is still owed too much money to fetch much in return. Blowing up a good but underperforming team isn’t an answer, it’s an overreaction. That means you don’t plan on contending next year, and the Tigers most certainly do.

    by billfer on Jul 20, 2008 at 11:13 am

  125. I meant to say Minnesota, not Cleveland. The opener in that last series with the Twins was a game that they lost a big lead late and blew a nice starting performance. This game was a blown close game late with a crappy starting performance.

    Still not good, but in my book the Twins loss was worse.

    by Tbone on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:23 pm

  126. I think the saddest thing is that there are so many candidates for worst loss of the year. The thing about yesterday was that if they held on and won it would have been one of the better wins of the year, so that made losing, especially in that manner, that much worse.

    by Jeff on Jul 20, 2008 at 12:51 pm

  127. Magglio and Bonderman to the Rays for David Price, with the Tigers paying 1/3 Magglio’s salary. ESPN just reported that the Rays are looking for a right-fielder who hits right-handed, they’re getting killed by LH pitchers.

    by Palmcroft on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:01 pm

  128. your an idiot they even want bonderman…i love bobby seay’s pine tar so easily seen on his cap!!!

    by eRiCG on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:11 pm

  129. No name calling.

    And the pine tar is obvious and not effective.

    by billfer on Jul 20, 2008 at 1:41 pm

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