Comments on: Game 94: Twins at Tigers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:06:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97159 Dave BW Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:18:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97159 Coleman -- I'll have you know that I would recognize any Royal that for whatever reason set next to me on a hypothetical Ann Arbor bus, and that ALL Royals games are fun to watch! Okay, the second part of that sentence was a lie. Coleman —

I’ll have you know that I would recognize any Royal that for whatever reason set next to me on a hypothetical Ann Arbor bus, and that ALL Royals games are fun to watch!

Okay, the second part of that sentence was a lie.

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97155 Coleman Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:37:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97155 OK, very funny Vince. But I bet nobody here can find another team, the elimination of whom (retroactively) would effect the top 3 teams of their division so drastically. (I predict this challenge will result in Sean C. not being heard from for hours...) OK, very funny Vince. But I bet nobody here can find another team, the elimination of whom (retroactively) would effect the top 3 teams of their division so drastically.

(I predict this challenge will result in Sean C. not being heard from for hours…)

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97154 Vince in MN Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:31:30 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97154 Just for fun, let's knock out those results between the Tigers and Twins and the Tigers and Sox and Indians too as well. What are we left with? In a one team division: DET.....33-23.....---- Much better. Of course if you eliminate those meaningless IL games the record falls to DET.....20-18.....---- Still good enough for first place though! Playoffs here we come! ;-) Just for fun, let’s knock out those results between the Tigers and Twins and the Tigers and Sox and Indians too as well. What are we left with? In a one team division:

DET…..33-23…..—-

Much better. Of course if you eliminate those meaningless IL games the record falls to

DET…..20-18…..—-

Still good enough for first place though! Playoffs here we come!

;-)

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97152 Vince in MN Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:24:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97152 Coleman, you may be on to something there. I mean the Royals thinking they are playing a NL team, not the conspiracy theory. Coleman, you may be on to something there.

I mean the Royals thinking they are playing a NL team, not the conspiracy theory.

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97150 Coleman Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:59:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97150 "Coleman, another difference between the Tigers and Twins is that the Twins can beat the Tigers, but the Tiger’s can’t beat the Twins." True Vince in Royalbeaterland, and yet reversing the Tigers/Twins results helps the Tigers less then the elimination of the KC Wannabe-Monarchists. Somehow they are 6-0 vs Detroit, and a combined 3-12 against Chicago/Minnesota. I would never suggest any collusion or other nefarious doings at work here--well, actually, I would. Since KC is playing for minimum wage mostly, it wouldn't cost very much to make a difference to them...I'm just saying. (And yes, I realize explaining why they tank doesn't explain why they are good against Det. But how many Royals would you recognize even if they sat next to you on the bus? See what I'm saying? It's an off day, Morneau slaps on some ugly and a KC jersey, who's gonna know he's not whoever's name is on his jersey? Maybe some KC diehards, but are they gonna blow the whistle and ruin their only fun games to watch? It's all entirely plausible). Actually I just thought of a more likely explanation. They see Jim Leyland and half a dozen Marlins, and they think they are playing a National League team, and proceed to give Detroit an AL Central vs NL drubbing... “Coleman, another difference between the Tigers and Twins is that the Twins can beat the Tigers, but the Tiger’s can’t beat the Twins.”

True Vince in Royalbeaterland, and yet reversing the Tigers/Twins results helps the Tigers less then the elimination of the KC Wannabe-Monarchists. Somehow they are 6-0 vs Detroit, and a combined 3-12 against Chicago/Minnesota. I would never suggest any collusion or other nefarious doings at work here–well, actually, I would. Since KC is playing for minimum wage mostly, it wouldn’t cost very much to make a difference to them…I’m just saying.

(And yes, I realize explaining why they tank doesn’t explain why they are good against Det. But how many Royals would you recognize even if they sat next to you on the bus? See what I’m saying? It’s an off day, Morneau slaps on some ugly and a KC jersey, who’s gonna know he’s not whoever’s name is on his jersey? Maybe some KC diehards, but are they gonna blow the whistle and ruin their only fun games to watch? It’s all entirely plausible).

Actually I just thought of a more likely explanation. They see Jim Leyland and half a dozen Marlins, and they think they are playing a National League team, and proceed to give Detroit an AL Central vs NL drubbing…

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97144 Chris in Dallas Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:27:09 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97144 Sheffield for Shields, Price, Kazmir and Longoria sounds fair. He's a future HALL OF FAMER. Sheffield for Shields, Price, Kazmir and Longoria sounds fair. He’s a future HALL OF FAMER.

]]> By: Brian in Tampa http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97141 Brian in Tampa Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:26:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97141 Hey, down here in Tampa everybody is screaming for a right handed bat. Too bad we can't dump Sheff. off in his hometown for something of value. I know the Rays probably don't want that contract for next year, nor his so called attitude. Hey, down here in Tampa everybody is screaming for a right handed bat. Too bad we can’t dump Sheff. off in his hometown for something of value. I know the Rays probably don’t want that contract for next year, nor his so called attitude.

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97139 Sean C. in Illinois Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:18:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97139 I endorse Coleman's solution. One more vote and the motion carries. This is a binding resolution. We're going to the playoffs, baby. I endorse Coleman’s solution. One more vote and the motion carries. This is a binding resolution. We’re going to the playoffs, baby.

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97138 Sean C. in Illinois Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:16:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97138 T, I know what you mean about Sheffield. I wonder if the Tigers could hold on to him and lease him out until he hits with consistency. There ought to be some kind of exchange program for struggling sluggers. Really, though. If it were between a roster spot for Gary or for Clete or Matt, I'd go with one of the young guys. 94 games in, I guess I'm just tired of waiting on him. Call me impatient. T, I know what you mean about Sheffield. I wonder if the Tigers could hold on to him and lease him out until he hits with consistency. There ought to be some kind of exchange program for struggling sluggers.

Really, though. If it were between a roster spot for Gary or for Clete or Matt, I’d go with one of the young guys. 94 games in, I guess I’m just tired of waiting on him. Call me impatient.

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97134 Vince in MN Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:49:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97134 Coleman, another difference between the Tigers and Twins is that the Twins can beat the Tigers, but the Tiger's can't beat the Twins. Coleman, another difference between the Tigers and Twins is that the Twins can beat the Tigers, but the Tiger’s can’t beat the Twins.

]]> By: Coleman http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97122 Coleman Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:28:56 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97122 Sean C: White Sox 12-9 Twins 14-12 Tigers 9-15 Standings in a 3-team league. I have advocated something much more just than the extreme 3-team league solution, which is declaring (retroactively) the Kansas City Royals as not an actual real baseball team. Some of the reasons for this are obvious, some less so, but look at the results: Now vs then: CWS 54 40 -- CWS 49 39 -- MIN 53 42 1.5 DET 47 41 2.0 DET 47 47 7.0 MIN 46 40 2.0 I have been enjoying the complicated discussions, but in a simple sense, the only difference between Detroit and the Twins is that the Twins can beat KC, and we can't... Sean C:
White Sox 12-9
Twins 14-12
Tigers 9-15

Standings in a 3-team league.

I have advocated something much more just than the extreme 3-team league solution, which is declaring (retroactively) the Kansas City Royals as not an actual real baseball team. Some of the reasons for this are obvious, some less so, but look at the results: Now vs then:

CWS 54 40 — CWS 49 39 –
MIN 53 42 1.5 DET 47 41 2.0
DET 47 47 7.0 MIN 46 40 2.0

I have been enjoying the complicated discussions, but in a simple sense, the only difference between Detroit and the Twins is that the Twins can beat KC, and we can’t…

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97120 T Smith Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:14:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97120 Sheff on the 60 day DL is a good option. The minute we send him to the Twins (or any other team for that matter) he's gonna mash -- and I mean mash like only Sheffield can. I just got a feeling. Together, Sean Casey and Craig Monroe have single-handedly cost the Tigers multiple games this year. I really wouldn't enjoy putting Sheffield on that list. But the 60 day DL that was mentioned earlier in the thread is intriguing. Solves a lot of issues.... Sheff on the 60 day DL is a good option.

The minute we send him to the Twins (or any other team for that matter) he’s gonna mash — and I mean mash like only Sheffield can. I just got a feeling.

Together, Sean Casey and Craig Monroe have single-handedly cost the Tigers multiple games this year. I really wouldn’t enjoy putting Sheffield on that list.

But the 60 day DL that was mentioned earlier in the thread is intriguing. Solves a lot of issues….

]]> By: Sean C. in Illinois http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97102 Sean C. in Illinois Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:53:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97102 I'd rather keep Joyce <i>and</i> Thomas if I could. That'a nice complementary pair of reserve outfielders with some promise as potential starters. There's room for Marcus between LF, DH, and 1B. There's room for Gary Sheffield on another team - sending him to the Twins could be a cruel yet funny joke, sorta like Craig Monroe (no, I loved Craig as a Tiger and yes, I know he went to the Cubs first). So who else do I have to get rid of to keep Clete and Matt? There's no room for Larish, so that was easy. So the bench is Inge, Raburn, Santiago, Joyce, and Thomas. While heads are rolling, let's ditch Renteria while we're at it. Bring Hollimon back up. Or keep Larish. Either way. My bench has 5 guys because I'm not counting in the DH as a position. I’d rather keep Joyce and Thomas if I could. That’a nice complementary pair of reserve outfielders with some promise as potential starters. There’s room for Marcus between LF, DH, and 1B. There’s room for Gary Sheffield on another team – sending him to the Twins could be a cruel yet funny joke, sorta like Craig Monroe (no, I loved Craig as a Tiger and yes, I know he went to the Cubs first).

So who else do I have to get rid of to keep Clete and Matt? There’s no room for Larish, so that was easy. So the bench is Inge, Raburn, Santiago, Joyce, and Thomas. While heads are rolling, let’s ditch Renteria while we’re at it. Bring Hollimon back up. Or keep Larish. Either way. My bench has 5 guys because I’m not counting in the DH as a position.

]]> By: Ryan P http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97101 Ryan P Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:12:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97101 I like Clete in left over Joyce. He fields better than him, and has been a bit more consistent this year I think. We have enough hitters in the lineup that can hit home runs, I'd rather have Clete's consistent singles and doubles than Joyce's less-consistent but more powerful hitting. I like Clete in left over Joyce. He fields better than him, and has been a bit more consistent this year I think. We have enough hitters in the lineup that can hit home runs, I’d rather have Clete’s consistent singles and doubles than Joyce’s less-consistent but more powerful hitting.

]]> By: Brian P http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97100 Brian P Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:09:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/game-94-twins-at-tigers/#comment-97100 Putting on my managerial cap, this is how I would handle the Tigers after the break. Sheffield finally hits the 60 day disabled list and we hope he can make a 2009 return. Thames takes his place as the designated hitter. Lineup for the remainder of the season: Granderson, CF Polanco, 2B Guillen, 3B Ordonez, RF Cabrera, 3B Thames, DH Joyce, LF Pudge/Inge, C Santiago/Renteria, SS Zach Miner, provided he's throwing strikes in Toledo, becomes the 5th starter. Nascar (Bonine) simply can't get AL hitters out. Putting on my managerial cap, this is how I would handle the Tigers after the break.

Sheffield finally hits the 60 day disabled list and we hope he can make a 2009 return. Thames takes his place as the designated hitter.

Lineup for the remainder of the season:

Granderson, CF
Polanco, 2B
Guillen, 3B
Ordonez, RF
Cabrera, 3B
Thames, DH
Joyce, LF
Pudge/Inge, C
Santiago/Renteria, SS

Zach Miner, provided he’s throwing strikes in Toledo, becomes the 5th starter. Nascar (Bonine) simply can’t get AL hitters out.

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