Game 106: Tigers at Indians

by billfer on July 29, 2008 · 250 comments

in 2008 Season,Game Post

PREGAME: After a lackluster effort the Tigers can hopefully muster some offense against Matt Ginter. You may remember Ginter as a former Tigers pitcher and an accomplished banjo player. The Indians picked him up and he’s allowed just 3 runs in 2 starts with no walks.

Armando Galarraga takes the ball for Detroit. He had that whole perfect game thing going on in his last start against the Royals. I was hoping he’d get it just so I could see if he was capable of smiling. He’s faced Cleveland twice and has 10 K’s against 2 walks in 12.1 innings.

DET @ CLE, Tuesday, July 29, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

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POSTGAME: The Whipping Boys came through again tonight. The triumvirate of Edgar Renteria, Gary Sheffield, and Brandon Inge all had 2 out RBI doubles tonight, and Inge added 2 run homer as well. Actually every one had a hit or two tonight, but those 3 came up with 7 of the 8 RBI. Considering Chris Guccione’s dynamic strike zone everyone fared well.

Armando Galarraga fared okay, but wasn’t quite as sharp as his past outing – which would be quite tough to do in all fairness. The bullpen kind of got the job done, but man – those freakin walks.

 
 

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stephen July 29, 2008 at 6:43 pm

banjo playing pitcher takes on banjo hitters.
It’s just like the irresistable force meeting the immovable object.

Dave BW July 29, 2008 at 6:56 pm

Come on, Armando, do it for the fantasy team!

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 7:03 pm

“banjo playing pitcher takes on banjo hitters”

Oh yeah? Wait’ll they see our new closer, Steve Martin

Forty July 29, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Let’s do it today fellas. One series at a time.

Dave BW July 29, 2008 at 7:11 pm

Peralta is the slowest SS alive

Forty July 29, 2008 at 7:13 pm

I’m glad that the break leyland gave the team is making all the infield line drives be not directly at fielders today.

mcb July 29, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Bad bad dp. It is getting painful.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 7:15 pm

Spoke too soon, dp

mcb July 29, 2008 at 7:22 pm

Texeira to Angels. They are a lock for WS. Crap. Great guy – went to HS with him in Baltimore. Too bad we could not land him. Move Cabrera to dh, ditch Gary.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Yeah tex is good

mcb July 29, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Nice shot for Miggy

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 7:26 pm

that was a missile from Miggy.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 7:33 pm

That’s really sad, hafner’s dad just died

Dave BW July 29, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Yeah, this can’t be the greatest year of his life

Forty July 29, 2008 at 7:41 pm

Little reversal of yesterday’s luck – broken bat blooper, couple grounders where they aint in the first…

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 8:00 pm

At least we’ve put up a run against deliverance dude.

Chief Monday July 29, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Renteria doing us good.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 8:13 pm

Good for Renteria; besides, the Ham Sandwich is no longer available.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 8:14 pm

This guy was doing OK against us until he ran into the Renteria/Inge buzzsaw

Ryan July 29, 2008 at 8:15 pm

It’s now official: Renteria > Sheffield.
Maybe if everyone on the team got together, they could manually pull Sheff’s oblique. PleasePleasePlease let this be the last series of him as DH.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Renteria’s the man, he’s a shortstop jerking doubles every which way. VORP that.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 8:17 pm

“Maybe if everyone on the team got together, they could manually pull Sheff’s oblique”

I think offer him a pillow to sit on, that seems to work…

Ryan July 29, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Over the last week or so, Renteria is really looking like the guy I thought he was at the beginning of the season.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:21 pm

Shapiro was in the booth for the last inning on STO. He’s a really impressive guy.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:23 pm

Remember when we thought our lineup would be like this every day, with no breaks even at the bottom of the order. All the “OMG they have Hall of Famer Pudge Rodriguez and he might bat 8th or 9th!” talk. It’s definitely more fun!

mcb July 29, 2008 at 8:34 pm

Sheff needs to go the way of Todd Jones…

Anson July 29, 2008 at 8:34 pm

Did Edgar read the blog? Did he take offense to possibly being traded for a ham sandwich? Is this some sort of clue to give him a nick with some sort of variation of ham?

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:36 pm

ooh maggs missed a hanger there

mcb July 29, 2008 at 8:38 pm

Yeah he did

mcb July 29, 2008 at 8:40 pm

Bad call on that Strike out. Hope it does not cost him the batting title

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:40 pm

ump rung up sheff with no appeal earlier as well…don’t know why you wouldn’t just always let first base make that call.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:43 pm

all right matty, nail this 3-1

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:44 pm

man, rincon just drilled the black there twice in a row

mcb July 29, 2008 at 8:44 pm

Joyce has to swing. Can’t leave the bat on your shoulder

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 8:46 pm

Both of those pitches to joyce were slightly off the plate.

mcb July 29, 2008 at 8:48 pm

When Sheff puts a good swing on it – not much lately – the ball goes. How does he pull that? Down and away.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:49 pm

And now Rincon’s exactly where he didn’t want to be: pitching to Edgar Renteria with RISP.

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 8:50 pm

That ball Sheff hit might’ve been the hardest hit ball all night — quite the feat with the Renteria double and that laser Miggy hit earlier to make it 1-0.

Ryan In Brooklyn July 29, 2008 at 8:51 pm

Billfer might have to bring back the “Whipping Boys Powers – ACTIVATE!” graphic. RBI doubles for Renteria, Inge and Sheff!

mcb July 29, 2008 at 8:52 pm

Sheff’s ball got to the wall faster than Miggy’s

Forty July 29, 2008 at 8:52 pm

perhaps a bit premature, but with the angels no hitting the sox and the tigers up 5, looks like by the end of the day we’ll be only 5 losses back of the WC.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 8:56 pm

Ryan in B-town: “Billfer might have to bring back the “Whipping Boys Powers – ACTIVATE!” graphic. RBI doubles for Renteria, Inge and Sheff!”

Just wait till the appearance of the new set-up guy, Todd Jones…

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Chris Guccione is absolutely BRUTAL behind the plate tonight.

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Hey! The batters have shown up all day!. Nice to see Shef put one on the wall and make up for that first at bat where he looked so weak.

Ryan In Brooklyn July 29, 2008 at 9:06 pm

Coleman: I predict Jonesy strikes out the side in the 8th on 9 pitches.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:08 pm

Surprised Grandy didn’t get rung up with no appeal there

And in hindsight it would have been preferable

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Cleveland announcers have mentioned that Guccione is a rookie ump…….he sure looks it too! Some of his calls have been erratic as can get.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:12 pm

no hitter through 8 for lackey!

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:13 pm

They’ll probably have to pull Galarraga once he plunks one of their sluggers as payback for Inge…

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:18 pm

I don’t really think Galarraga has looked that good today…lots of hard hit balls, few hung breaking balls that guys just missed…

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:19 pm

Anyone else starting to feel very nervous?

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:22 pm

Nervous? Why, just cause baseballs are flying around like popcorn in a Jiffy Pop bag?

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Stranding inherited runners is both solid and sexy

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:24 pm

God I hope Ellsbury bunts to break up the no no

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Luckily we countered with the potent Dolsi-Inge battery (season ERA 0.00).

mcb July 29, 2008 at 9:32 pm

We have to be leading the universe in dp’s. Would be nice if the pen gets 9 up, 9 down.

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Pedroia singled to break up the No-no. ESPN then quit showing it and seconds later Youkilis hit a 2-run bomb to make it 6-2 LAA.

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:34 pm

So far this year, this is where the trouble comes. I have a Lorazepam that I might take. My doctor ordered it to reduce anxiety for an MRI. But now would be a better time.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:36 pm

You would think that a team with very little speed that plays station to station baseball and has lots of right handed power bats would hit into lots of dps…

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Well, there you have it. Sexy Freddy is coming apart.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Nah, Freddy’s just getting a little retribution for his buddy Inge.

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:38 pm

More amazingly predictable incompetence from the Tiger pen!

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Forty: “lots of right handed power bats.” But you may not predict Renteria to lead the pack…

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm

And Mediocrity Bordering On Downright Bad strikes again.

mcb July 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Dolsi has not looked good recently.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Clearly they are setting up Cleveland for the triple play…

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Billfer, you know a lot more about this team than I do. Why don’t they get some other pitchers that can throw strikes? I mean, even if the hitters can hit it, at least you have a chance to play it. Do these guys eve practice throwing the ball in the strike zone?

Vince in MN July 29, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Forty:
And you would be correct. That is 95 GDPs now.

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:42 pm

I am trying not to get angry, or be cynical, but I really feel strongly this game is already lost.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Time to play possum…

Chris July 29, 2008 at 9:42 pm

this bullpen has been giving games away…. Quite a disappointment

Jeff July 29, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Dolsi has not looked good recently.

His peripherals were always pretty questionable. The sample size has grown.

Zoom warming up, so who’s the closer tonight?

Vince in MN July 29, 2008 at 9:44 pm

They say that hitting a round ball with a round bat is one of the most difficult things to do in sports. Apparently just throwing the damn thing is more difficult for some.

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Freddy Dolsi has thrown exactly 10 innings coming into tonight without a walk or a hit allowed. Out of 31.2 IP.

Edit: Sky, how is that not cynical?

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Questionable Peripherals: not sexy.

mcb July 29, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Nice to see stranded runners

Tbone July 29, 2008 at 9:50 pm

Zu-Zu is the new sexy.

ron July 29, 2008 at 9:50 pm

Nice job.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Pen has not allowed any runs, inherited or otherwise, to score tonight.

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Twins are coming back………..putting the Chisox on their heels.

Vince in MN July 29, 2008 at 9:54 pm

So, now that Jones isn’t the closer anymore, is he the new setup guy?

“Questionable Peripherals” is too long for a nickname, let’s just call Dolsi “Gil”.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 9:55 pm

So still, thanks to Zumaya:

Dolsi-Inge battery, season ERA 0.00.

Oh, also: Zumaya-Inge season ERA: 0.00

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:56 pm

So Coleman, are you saying Inge is the pair of lingerie to Dolsi’s sexiness?

sky July 29, 2008 at 9:58 pm

All I saw, Mike, was Dolsi started off the inning with a walk and hit batter. That’s not very good relief work even if no one ends up scoring. And by the way, he was pulled for Fossum who did the job.

ron July 29, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Sky, it’s ok to be cynical and angry. That lorazepam is good stuff. Take it now and you’ll be sleeping by the ninth inning.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Joyce you’re not going to steal second and you’re scaring me. Get your butt back to the bag.

sky July 29, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Inge comes through again!

billfer July 29, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Billfer, you know a lot more about this team than I do. Why don’t they get some other pitchers that can throw strikes? I mean, even if the hitters can hit it, at least you have a chance to play it. Do these guys eve practice throwing the ball in the strike zone?

Dave Dombrowski and his staff have a preference for high velocity/stuff guys who they hope that can be harnessed to throw strikes. It’s a philosophy thing.

I’m sure they work on a variety of things between games and during spring training. One thing I’m sure isn’t a point of emphasis is throwing balls out of the strike zone.

As a side note, the Tigers reliever who most frequently throws strikes (though less frequently this year) is Todd Jones so take that for what it’s worth.

ron July 29, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Ingy!

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Still, sky. You can’t preface something as “not being cynical” and then follow it up with a cynical statement like that, haha.

sky July 29, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Wonderful to see a guy they do not expect pull that off on them!

Restores optimism………

sky July 29, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Sorry, Mike, ….you’re right about Zumaya, and he looked very good.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:01 pm

I guess Inge didn’t like getting hit with that pitch?

billfer July 29, 2008 at 10:02 pm

He actually was pulled for Fossum who got Grady on a ground ball.

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 10:03 pm

yeah, I edited my post immediately as I forgot that he did bring in fossum to face Sizemore, it was my mistake. Sky, you were right.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:09 pm

I’m saying Inge brings along a Peripheral or two himself sometimes…

The best part about checking out stats on the Baseball Reference page is things like this… included on the list of “most similar” pitchers to Joel Zumaya:

Aubrey Gatewood, Ron Klimkowski, Ed Hanyzewski, Manuel Corpas, John Urrea, and Dave DeBusschere. Dave DeBusschere??

Forty July 29, 2008 at 10:09 pm

Jones in the ninth I’m guessing…

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:10 pm

Forty: “Joyce you’re not going to steal second and you’re scaring me. Get your butt back to the bag.”

And a good thing his butt was back on the bag when Inge went long….

Forty July 29, 2008 at 10:11 pm

how many of john urrea’s friends know his name means pee? most guys with ridiculous names know it early on. you know boof bonser and jimmy gobble had it rough in third grade. but i can just imagine john having that “noooooooooooooo!” moment in 9th grade bio when he realized what his name meant (minus an r).

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:13 pm

I would be disappointed if Manuel Corpas wasn’t built Fernando Valenzuela-like…

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 10:14 pm

If they think Zumaya’s breaking ball is what is hurting his arm, then why don’t they eliminate it from his repertoire and go with the change-up?

Directly from his bio on MLB.com:

…Named the second-best prospect in the Tigers organization and 10th-best prospect in the Eastern League following the season by Baseball America…Rated as possessing the best changeup in the Tigers organization following the season by Baseball America.

THROW THE CHANGE-UP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Pisses me off.

Forty July 29, 2008 at 10:17 pm

Mike R – I’ve been annoyed by that for a long while. If his change was ever that good, to go with his plus plus fastball (frequently hear his fastball and santana’s change as the definition of 80 on the 80-20 scale), how is he not one of the best relievers in the game?

billfer July 29, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Rough night for Maggs. He gets screwed on the strike out call, and then hits a screamer right at the 2nd baseman missing out on a rbi

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:23 pm

That change up they are talking about is partly a product of that fastball though; take some of the steam out of the fastball and the change is not so unhittable. So I think before his velocity was back (is it yet?) the change isn’t the pitch it was before…

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 10:24 pm

Coleman, there’s not much more velocity to add when he’s hitting 97 at the bottom of his fastball velocity.

Also, there was an article on the hardball times that suggested that a change up in the middle 80′s that was 6-ish MPH slower than the heater is actually the most effective.

Edit: here’s the article.

Tbone July 29, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Questionable use of your tired closer with a 4-run lead. Then again, I recall a certain game last year when our other closer came in the 9th with a 4-run lead.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Zumaya’s change-up in ’06 was hitting 90-92.

I see ol’ Cap Askew is gonna give it a go in the 9th…

Tony July 29, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Rodney getting squeezed

ron July 29, 2008 at 10:29 pm

It’s the new Rodney with the straight hat and a handsome dude he is. Now if Magglio would cut that damn ugly hair and we’ll look like a real baseball team.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:30 pm

My comment was something of a question though. Is Zumaya’s fastball back to where it’s consistently 97+ ?

Mike R July 29, 2008 at 10:31 pm

Oh, sorry Coleman, I guess I didn’t read that as a question. Zumaya’s velocity is not the problem at all, he’s in the upper 90′s. Control is a different animal, though. It’s upper 90′s with no idea where it’s going.

Also, where’d you see that his change up in 06 was 90-92?

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:32 pm

Magglio’s hair? Dude…
(the Inge weird-beard however seems expendable…)

I just wish I had thought of the name Cap Askew earlier in the season…

ron July 29, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Oh man , he crooked it between the second and third batter.

Tbone July 29, 2008 at 10:34 pm

That was fugly, but much needed. Two more must wins ahead!

Forty July 29, 2008 at 10:35 pm

Nah, Ron, I think we just need some bleached goatees…

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Mike R: it was in one of the pre-World Series pieces, maybe one of the rain-delay fillers. And to go with it they had a clip of Tigers watching him pitch and someone (I forget who) elbows Kenny Rogers and says look at that, 92! His change-up! and Kenny shrugs and says, “whatever” which cracked me up at the time…

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:38 pm

It was very ambitious yet unfortunate that in the WS Zumaya decided to work on his knuckleball while fielding bunts…

Chris July 29, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Mark Teixeira traded to the Angels instead of the D-backs…. Oh well. The Tigers will have to face him in the ALCS instead of the World Series…:)

sky July 29, 2008 at 10:47 pm

One thing you are certainly right about, Billfer, is that Jones can throw strikes. We always knew he would do that at least. Somehow he lost his deceptiveness, or whatever he was doing to get his pop-ups and ground -outs.

My beef with our relievers is too many walks and pitches no where near the zone. I understand emphasizing velocity, but look at Gallaraga. He overpowers no one, but he keeps hitters from putting anything on the ball. Elroy Face used to do that many years ago with nothing but junk and went 18-1 in one season. What command he had, though. And that is the name of the game: control and command.

Coleman July 29, 2008 at 10:48 pm

“Mark Teixeira traded to the Angels instead of the D-backs”

I think it’s one of those deals where they’re gonna “flip” him to another team, I’m guessing something like Teixeira for Renteria/Larish/Jones.

(That’s my penance for any earlier pessimism).

RudeMood19 July 29, 2008 at 11:01 pm

that’s the optimism i like to hear lol

Sean C. in Illinois July 29, 2008 at 11:02 pm

“It was very ambitious yet unfortunate that in the WS Zumaya decided to work on his knuckleball while fielding bunts…”

Ooooh. Burn. Joel sees that, you’re toast, dude.

RudeMood19 July 29, 2008 at 11:02 pm

twins win 5.5 back

Sean C. in Illinois July 29, 2008 at 11:34 pm

Whipping Boy Powers Activate again! Uncanny.

Tigers have won 6 of their last 9. Why don’t I feel giddy? White Sox series hangover, that’s why.

My impression of tonight’s game:

INDIANS (in Towely voice): Wanna score some runs?
TIGERS: Oh no, we really shouldn’t.
INDIANS: Come on.
TIGERS: Are you sure? OK, 1 or 2 can’t hurt.
INDIANS: Tell you what – for every run you score, you can leave another 2 on base.
TIGERS: Really? Wow… well, if that’s how you’re gonna be…
INDIANS: Knock yourselves out.
TIGERS: Say, you wanna score some, too?
INDIANS: Oh no, we really shouldn’t.
TIGERS: Come on.
INDIANS: Well… is it OK if we cash in on every opportunity, then, as long as we fall a bit short?
TIGERS: Knock yourselves out.
INDIANS: Cool. But you know, you’re making it kind of hard for us to fall short.
TIGERS: Say. how would you like a come from behind win instead? Normally, we prefer to lose the heartbreakers at home, but we’re still kind of tired, and -
INDIANS: Yeah, well, we’re kind of tired too.
TIGERS: But wait – we’ll give you Rodney in the 9th, even Jones if you want him! Walk-offs are fun… or so we’ve heard.
INDIANS: We were thinking more like Cliff Lee domination tomorrow and the walk-off on Thursday, if you don’t mind. More soul-destroying that way, if you know what we mean.
TIGERS: Sounds like a plan. See you tomorrow.
INDIANS: See ya. Wouldn’t wanna be ya. Well, actually we would.

Sean C. in Illinois July 29, 2008 at 11:45 pm

Dave BW

“I’ve discovered a new family of chemicals!” came from misspelling basically as basicalyl. Which resembles chemical names like isopropyl, et al. Also has the base thing (acid/base) going for it.

Hope that doesn’t tarnish its glory. If nothing else, it was spontaneous and uncontrived.

Chris July 29, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Sean, the Tigers did a sufficient job with scoring opportunities tonight.

But I did like your little dialog thingy… funny.

Sean C. in Illinois July 29, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Chris

You’re right. But my reaction comes from a combination of being a glass half empty kind of guy and the desire to see the Tigers put the serious hurt on when the scoring opportunities were being served up on a platter. I wanted a stomping of the Indians to wipe the shutout from memory.

I can’t complain about a win, but sometimes I still do.

T Smith July 30, 2008 at 12:18 am

I’m more apt to complain about our new closers inability to consitently find the strike zone. Not so good.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 12:28 am

That’s one thing that’s hard to like about these Tigers, how they sometimes get into an almost sleepwalking mode, and all go cold together (which I guess is how they can score so many runs and still be shut out more than anyone). Fair or not I think Edgar represents this malaise to a lot of fans (a spot he took over from Cabrera)…for all his many faults, I have to admit appreciating that Sheffield at least gives the impression he is pissed off and frustrated at his performance. And I do think that’s one plus also to having Inge in the line-up. And mostly Pudge also. They don’t have that sleepwalking vibe.

(also, while I’m mostly teasing with the pitcher-catcher stats, I do really think there may be something in the higher HPB ratio when Inge is catching)

stephen July 30, 2008 at 12:31 am

i am going to just express my gratitude that the tigers won and leave it at that.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 12:59 am

It’s nice to read of the gratitude of the grateful;
one grows weary of the hatitude of the hateful.

Mike R July 30, 2008 at 1:13 am

Stephen, I’m not satisfied with your gratitude of them winning. I need some dooms-day scenario from you, pleassseee!

Ryan Cal July 30, 2008 at 1:45 am

Tomorrow, we have to win. Just somehow, someway, find a way to beat Cliff Lee. Nate Robertson will have to not be a bum for one day. Tough, especially against the Indians.

Regardless, if we win, it’ll be because of our offense. We need to be high energy tomorrow. Send runners going. Hit and run. Draw walks. Step in to the strike zone and get hit if you have to! If we don’t get Lee out of there by the 6th inning, we’re probably going to lose.

And with Carmona pitching on Thursday, we might be f’ed then too.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 1:49 am

Coleman: “also, while I’m mostly teasing with the pitcher-catcher stats, I do really think there may be something in the higher HPB ratio when Inge is catching”

OK, here’s why, at least against Cleveland.

# games Inge has caught against Cleveland: 4.
# HBP in games Inge has caught vs Cleveland: 7 (yes, 7).
# times CLE HBP has followed DET HBP: 3.
# times HBP has followed CLE HR: 1 (Garko, 6/9).
# times I think CLE suspects Inge has been calling for HPB and nails him: 1.
# times CLE batter that CLE thinks Inge called hit on (see June 9) gets HBP to lead off inning by a Tiger pitcher that previously had career 0 HBP: 1

well, you get my point…

Chris July 30, 2008 at 2:40 am

, I’m not satisfied with your gratitude of them winning. I need some dooms-day scenario from you, pleassseee!

We need Chief Monday to counter-balance Stephan

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 5:14 am

I don’t know what game everyone else was watching here.

Galarraga had a perfect game going for the 1st 3 innings. Then when Galarraga was losing it, Dolsi came in and slammed the door shut. The rest of the pen wasn’t nearly as perfect, but they got the job done.

The Tigers hitting was excellent in the clutch. We scored 8 runs on 14 hits and 2 walks. 50% of our baserunners scored in this game. MLB average is about 37%.

Anyways, Galarraga cements his 9th win. ROY honors would be his if the season ended Today.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 5:39 am

The White Sox pitching has crapped the bed once again. Their pitching has been terrible in 15 out the last 17 games. In that span, they’ve surrendered 111 runs. That’s the sound of the toilet flushing on their season.

That sound should be familiar to all of us here, that’s what the Tigers did last season. Last year, from July 20th to Aug 5th we gave up 118 runs in 17 games. We didn’t know it at the time, but that was where the 2007 season ended for the Tigers.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 8:39 am

It occurs to me that the most consistent aspect of the Tigers game through 106 games has been – believe it or not – the starting pitching.

The most improved aspect as compared to April-May has been the hitting, especially in its consistency. There has also been improvement in the defense.

There have been times when the bullpen seemed like it was going to be OK, but overall, the pen is the most worrisome component heading into the part of the season where it’s harder to make up losing games they should have won.

Pardon me, but 2 months of mostly good news has whetted my appetite for a better record than 2 games over .500. That’s not pessimism, exactly. Restless discontent, maybe. As sson as .500 seems like a done deal, you want more.

T Smith July 30, 2008 at 10:12 am

This outcome of this game was fairly perdictable from the outset and a very good bet for a Tigers victory. Tigers generally mash against pitchers like Ginter and Galarraga came thru, more or less on par. The real test is how the team will fare tonight against Cliff Lee. If they really are contenders, they are going to have to defeat the good pitchers — the Cliff Lees, the Lackeys, the Lincecums of the world. Cuz no matter how you slice it, those are the kind of pitchers we’ll be facing in the playoffs — if we are fortunate enough to get there in the first place. If they can win tonight, we’ll talk some more.

Had the Tigers lost this game, I’m sure more attention would have been drawn to the fact that Chris Guccione was absolutely horrible. Horrible. The third strike call on Maggs (without the benefit of an appeal) wasn’t even close to a swing — wasn’t even close to a quarter of a swing, ditto on Sheff’s checked-swing-called third strike — and on the other side, a couple guys virtually swung through the ball yet won the appeal. I’m also beginning to think some of these umpires are collaberating on an early retirement for Gary Sheffield. I can’t believe some of the strikes they ring up on him.

Kudos to Renteria — a rare two out RBI double. More of the same from Sheff.

F-Rod is still a mess. I may be too harsh a critic, but as far as I’m concerned, you can’t have erratic command and hope to save tight games on a consitent basis.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 10:34 am

I’ve now given up hope on the Tigers. Even if they make the postseason, nobody is stopping that Angels juggernaut. Unless they make the decision to start Jeff, er, Jered Weaver every game.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 10:37 am

Chief: Go back through the archives on this site. I’m pretty sure about a month ago I posted that the White Sox pitching was due for a correction. I might have even used the phrase ‘crap the bed’. I like being right sometimes. Although to be fair they’re still in 1st place. Albeit tenuosly.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 11:05 am

Cliff Lee will be tough to beat. He hasn’t given up a HR in his last 7 starts.

He’s 14-2, with a 2.29 ERA, with a 6 to 1 K to Walk Ratio. Statistically, he’s probably the best pitcher in baseball this season.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 11:36 am

More 2008 pitching stats:

FULL COUNTS % BF

Verlander 13.7% (14 K, 22 BB, 2 of 10 hits for XB, .590 OPS)
Rogers 12.8% (9 K, 27 BB, 5 of 14 hits for XB, 1.100 OPS)
Galarraga 12.5% (16 K, 14 BB, 3 of 8 hits for XB, .662 OPS)
Robertson 10.6% (12 K, 11 BB, 4 of 11 hits for XB, .826 OPS)

Chris (in Dallas), there was really more to be found in the stats I posted yesterday in the Todd Jones thread than your brief comment indicated. Not that I expect you or anyone to pore over them or anything, just that there’s some stuff of interest I’ll get to if I can today.

It appears to me that AG isn’t the lucky one. Kenny Rogers is. How is he not getting hammered? I’ll have to check into his 2006 stats to see if he was living this dangerously back then.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 11:39 am

Yeah, you could make the case that Lee has been the best pitcher in the AL this year, if not all of baseball. On the other hand, you can also make the case that Robertson has been the worst pitcher in the AL (if not for the existence of Livan Hernandez – why the Twins don’t replace him with Liriano is unfathomable at this point. Or Carlos Silva – don’t worry Seattle fans, only 3 years and $36 million left).

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 11:42 am

Sean: Rogers pretty much always lives dangerously. He’s the very definition of a “crafty” lefty. Or as he’s described himself, a “chuck and duck” guy. Fortunately for us, he seems to be able to induce pop ups and double plays when he needs them. Most of the time you might call this luck, but he’s been doing it for such a long time I’d say it’s a skill on his part.

ron July 30, 2008 at 11:52 am

The reason you can’t feel giddy over a win or even winning baseball for seven weeks is because this 140 million dollar ballclub is still 2 games over .500 with two thirds of the season gone. They have played horrible the first two months and really good the last two months. Will they cycle backwards ala last August, will they continue their good play thru Sept. or will they spin their wheels and hope the two teams in front of them falter or they slip in as the WC against the likes of Boston and NY. and others as of this date. When you play .500 ball for two straight years, why would you think they’re capable of anything else?

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 12:00 pm

Good point about Rogers, Chris.

Sorry, I have pitching on the brain (hey, it beats pitching in the toilet):

2008 LEFTY/RIGHTY SPLITS (OPS)

TEAM RHP v RHB .654
TEAM RHP v LHB .788
TEAM LHP v RHB .826
TEAM LHP v LHB .794

Robertson .839 righty, .836 lefty
Rogers .848 righty, .799 lefty
Galarraga .470 righty, .825 lefty
Verlander .656 righty, .681 lefty

The phrase righty tighty, lefty loosey occurs to me. Verlander and at least some of the bullpen must account for any effectiveness against LHB. Sure isn’t the southpaws in the rotation.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Chris, a casual persusal of Rogers’s 2006 and 2007 splits reveals that he simply pitched much better then, a good deal less dangerously (at least as statistically indicated). Not surprising. But he was almost as bad at yielding walks rather than strikeouts on a full count (2:1), something he’s always been lousy at according to his career splits. He’s up to 3:1 now. Yikes.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 12:23 pm

Cliff Lee’s middle name is Phifer.

David G. July 30, 2008 at 12:23 pm

I always like our chances against tough-ish lefties like Cliff Lee. It’s the journeyman righties that keep me awake at night.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 12:25 pm

With a guy like Rogers you have to kind of take that into context. Earlier in his career he actually had, you know, stuff to work with so he was less inclined to give in on a full count than he is nowadays. We’ll call this the Frank Tanana Principle.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 12:29 pm

When you play .500 ball for two straight years, why would you think they’re capable of anything else?

Little known fact: The Tigers are 237-193 in the Jim Leyland Era. This equates to a .551 winning percentage.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 12:33 pm

Sean: What you also may not have known is that Cliff Lee posted a .322/.378/.491 batting line for the 1925 Tribe, back when he in the outfield. It’s true – you can even look it up.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Ron: What is Chicago’s winning pct over the last 2 years? It’s 160 – 166. Enough said.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 12:47 pm

In 1984, I still remember all the pessimistic fans saying that the Tigers 35-5 start and 104 wins for the season were all for nothing if they don’t win the world series.

So many fans didn’t warm up to the Tigers until after they won the World Series.

In 2006, those same fans never warmed up to the team and were saying that we couldn’t beat the Yankees in the playoffs. Well we did.

This year, same story.

Ryan P July 30, 2008 at 12:54 pm

This year they have not only not done anything remarkable, but they’ve been underachieving and remarkably average.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 1:08 pm

Ryan: I think being shut out 11 times and still managing to be 3rd in the league in runs scored while sporting a +31 run differential is pretty remarkable. I can’t remember any team of recent vintage pulling that off.

Honestly there’s room for optimism going forward. Maybe not Chief-level optimism, but optimism nonetheless. First of all, they’re only 5.5 games out of 1st, which is hardly insurmountable. Also, since the start of June this is a team with a 31-20 record and a +49 run differential which is encouraging. During that span, the pitching has improved (3.90 June ERA, 4.16 in July) and the offense has been more consistent, scoring 4 or more runs in 38 of 51 games during that stretch. As is always the case in baseball, you can’t expect instant results – you can see that this team is slowly but surely moving in the right direction. We’ll have to wait and see if it’s enough.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 1:10 pm

A sketch of Cliff Lee, turning to the splits I’ve been looking at recently for Tigers starters:

FIRST PITCH: STRIKE 55.3%, BALL 34.7%, IN PLAY 10.0%=.919 OPS with 6 of 21 hits for XB

AFTER 2 STRIKES: .444 OPS, 13 of 54 hits for XB

FULL COUNT % BF: 9.6%, 14 K, 9 BB, .896 OPS with 4 of 12 hits for XB

Lee gets hammered on 2-0 counts. Too bad this situation is so rare for him – 2.0% of BF. As for Tigers hitters, they see 2-0 counts only 2.2% of the time themselves. Don’t know whether 2-0 is a rare count overall or just a rare one for a team with a hitting approach like Detroit.

It’s been a while since Lee gave up a HR. He wasn’t especially sharp against Detroit on June 9, though. The infamous Dontrelle Willis start. The Tigers could have gotten to him more and didn’t. Maybe they were disheartened by the disastrous start to that game – quite a hill to climb. Polly was all over him, but Marcus looked foolish and Miggy didn’t seem to have a clue, either, that time. Inge was 0 for 2 but took him to the outfield both times, good 5 and 6 pitch AB. Don’t know why Lee left after 5, exactly. 8 baserunners but only 2 runs. It would be nice if he left after 5 this time, as well.

The Tigers were 26-37 after that. They’re 28-15 since. Lee may, no, WILL be in for a different team this time (Sheff, Rodriguez, a hot Renteria – and maybe Inge could start in LF? OK, not really). Marcus will catch up to him and add some correction to that absurd HR/IP ratio. Renteria will presumably lead off again.

Ryan P July 30, 2008 at 1:11 pm

I have no doubt that this team is improving and has improved, but they are quickly running out of time to catch up from their early suckage.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 1:13 pm

“This year, same story.”

What?? The Tigers have beaten the Yankees in the ALDS again? That’s fantastic news. Where have I been? Man, it sure is hot for October, though.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 1:22 pm

“I think being shut out 11 times and still managing to be 3rd in the league in runs scored while sporting a +31 run differential is pretty remarkable.”

I’ll try not to beat this dead horse any more, but the above is remarkable in ways both good and bad. As we all know.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 1:24 pm

The Tigers have evolved very much during the season. The team was still raw in April/May. Guys like Cabrera, Guillen, and Inge were learning new positions. Granderson was hurt. Galarraga was vouching for a rotation spot. Willis was DOA. Right Field was unclaimed. The guys in bullpen were waiting for Zumaya and Rodney to reclaim their spots. So much was unsettled earlier in the season. Now things have settled down. That is the difference.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Chris: Same story in that many people are prepared to give up and lose. People here just don’t seem to believe that Detroit can win anything, not now, not in 2006, and not in ’84.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Chis: A little known fact about the current Cleveland ace, back in his early days as a crappy-fielding outfielder: In 1924, Lee played for the now-defunct TOT team in the National League and put up numbers ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to those who he put up later in the year dividing time between the Philles and Reds. What are the odds?

At the tender age of 116, Cliff Lee is finallly living up to his potential, throwing harder than ever (age builds strength sometimes – just ask Roger), and is on a course to become the 4th oldest Cy Young Award winner ever, after Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, and Clemens.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 1:37 pm

“Same story in that many people are prepared to give up and lose.”

Well, I don’t see so much of that here. Mostly it’s people looking at the Tigers with a critical and justifiably skeptical eye. You don’t have to be a Pollyanna to care or have hope.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 1:39 pm

Sean: Inge is starting at 3B tonight – I read that in the notes section of the AP article about last night’s game. Apparently Guillen was messing with Porno Gil’s Tabasco remedy and will need the night off. OK I made that last part up. I can’t remember why Lee got lifted after 5 last time around, either. He was only at 88 pitches by that point…

David G. July 30, 2008 at 1:43 pm

“Galarraga was vouching for a rotation spot”

I am pretty sure you mean “Vying”.

Pollyanna July 30, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Well, I don’t see so much of that here. Mostly it’s people looking at the Tigers with a critical and justifiably skeptical eye. You don’t have to be a Pollyanna to care or have hope.

Please. The griping and second guessing starts as soon as the starting lineup is posted. To me that’s equivalent to giving up.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 1:56 pm

Good news about Inge starting against Lee, I think. It would be nice to have Gorilla’s Uncle in the lineup, too, but you can’t have everything.

Don’t get me started on Porno Gil’s Tabasco, Chris. I’d get the hook from Billfer in 5 seconds flat.

On a more serious, totally-baseball note: I used to like Tabasco till I realized it was so vinegary. Practically nothing but vinegar. Nothing against vinegar, but it’s shown me nothing to warrant a starting condiment job. I think it’s more of a role player, good as a late-inning replacement on fries or for the occasional start against salads. Despite putting up really good numbers in the Cooked Spinach With Butter League.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Griping and second guessing are the same as giving up? That can’t be who I think it is.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Yeah Tabasco is low on the hot sauce depth chart. Though his cousin Green Tabasco is a starter, hitting cleanup.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 2:09 pm

Chris in Dallas: ” Rogers pretty much always lives dangerously. He’s the very definition of a “crafty” lefty. Or as he’s described himself, a “chuck and duck” guy. Fortunately for us, he seems to be able to induce pop ups and double plays when he needs them.”

It’s worth pointing out that he is helped by having an extra infielder when he pitches–himself; 7 of the double plays he has induced have been turned by himself. (I’m not sure what the record is, but it would be worth looking up…7 ties the most Kenny has ever had). So in a sense when Kenny pitches he is covering a bit for whatever infield deficiencies we may have…

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 2:14 pm

Chris in Dallas: “Sean: Inge is starting at 3B tonight”

Well that guarantees us at least one baserunner, when Inge gets the Rib Ball….

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Hopefully Joyce will take up Tabasco as a favorite condiment; I think Tabasco Matt (with the implied cat reference) would be a killer nickname…

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 2:35 pm

‘Tabasco Matt’

As always, I’ve got an anagram for that. ‘Bat Coma Stat’. This is something that the SABR folks need to invent for when the Tigers offense does that thing it does where it forgets that you’re allowed to cross home plate.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 3:43 pm

Then there’s Renteria’s Orange Bat Coma Stat, otherwise known as Bat Coma Stat–O, Anger!

stephen July 30, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Chief Monday, you have moved into rubber room territory. People didn’t think the Tigers could win in 1984? Who are these people? Team started 35-5. Pretty sure 99.6% of the world thought Tigers could win in 1984. Seriously, you could be an economist for the Bush White House.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Coleman: I’ve done some research. Renteria uses Louisville Slugger’s GIDP model bat. It’s made of maple, with a grains of despair.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 4:22 pm

stephen- Most who followed Joe Falls or Mitch Album. They’d be telling us fans not to get too excited because we didn’t win anything yet. To me that’s rubbish. I believe you have to enjoy the moment as it happens.

Anyways, here’s a thought- why not try Eddie Bonine as a closer? He wasn’t a good starter, but maybe as closer he’d work out better.

Brian P July 30, 2008 at 4:29 pm

I’ve been comment dormant for a couple weeks. I’ve been listening to the Ticket here at work, and they’re announcing Pudge has been traded to the Yankees.

Hmm.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 4:32 pm

Pudge to the Yankees. Geez.

stephen July 30, 2008 at 4:36 pm

PUDGE TO YANKEES, BREAKING NEWS…

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 4:37 pm

Hmm, Kathy was calling that one here 2 days ago…

If that’s true I think it means 1) we’ve waved the white flag, and if
Farnsworth is part of the deal 2) we’re pissed off and are going to start beating teams. Literally. Bloodthirsty Chris will be happy…

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 4:37 pm

Hopefully they gave us Joba Chamberlain for him. In my dreams.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Thanks for the heads-up on Pudge, Brian P. I’m kind of shocked. Yankees? Can we make them take Sheffield back, too?

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Maybe it’s not too late…hey! Dave! it’s SHEFF! Sheff to the Yankees! S-H-E-F-F-I-E-L-D…Dave?

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Sweet trade. Farnsworth is just what the doctor ordered. Now we got are closer back.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 4:41 pm

Now is the point where I officially have to get banned from the site for the day. What the f*$&?

Jerkwheat July 30, 2008 at 4:42 pm

/kicks lifeless bullpen in the crotch

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 4:42 pm

So I take it that Sardini is are back-up catcher now, with Inge being full-time behind the plate.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Anyhoo, now that I got that out of my system. Geez. Just when I was warming up to Pudge….

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 4:44 pm

You’re right, Coleman. I’m sure it’s all just a big misunderstanding.

Or maybe Pudge was traded to the Yankees FOR the REAL Sheffield, held incommunicado for almost 20 months now. It was a funny practical joke, but the Yankees just couldn’t suppress the laughter any more.

We’ll have the last laugh when they discover they didn’t get the real Pudge, either.

Farnsworth? Uh…..

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 4:46 pm

Farnsworth is going to wear a mask and tights and when he pitches it will be pay-per-view reality show called Chin Music, that’s how Illitch is going to recoup some of the money he squandered this year…

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 4:46 pm

Yeah, Chris. I was back in Pudge’s corner, too, fair weather friend that I am.

Jeff July 30, 2008 at 4:47 pm

I cannot find any way to defend this deal.

The Yankees are a team against whom the Tigers might be competing for a wild card. THey have a huge hole at catcher, so the Tigers just filled it for them. And in exchange the Tigers get a guy who combined Rodney and Zumaya’s worst traits.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Maybe Inge was part of the trade, too? Tigers pulling the goalie, going for broke.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 4:48 pm

I’m worried about Inge, he could really get burnt out tonight sprinting from behind the plate to field grounders at third, especially with all that gear on…

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 4:50 pm

I was thinking, why did they trade Farnsworth to the Pirates for nothing just to get him back from the Yankees for something? Then I remembered – that was Bautista.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 4:51 pm

Breaking News: the Yankees actually traded Farnsworth for Fudge: 6 different flavors, delivered directly from Mackinac Island; originally the Yankees were demanding the Tigers’ Ham Sandwich for Farnsworth, but when it became clear the Ham Sandwich was no longer on the table they relented and agreed upon the Fudge.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 4:54 pm

The Yankees have been trying to give away Farnsworth for a year-and-a-half with no takers…does DD get a luxury box in the New Yankee Stadium or something?

Palmcroft July 30, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Maybe this is Leyland yelling “I sweat bullets every time F-Rod throws 100 pitches in an inning.” If it’s not Leyland’s anxiety, how does this deal make any flippin’ sense??

They’re planning on going deep into the playoffs with Verlander/Galarraga/Minor?? They must think so, otherwise you go for the draft-choices by letting Pudge sign elsewhere.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 4:55 pm

“but when it became clear the Ham Sandwich was no longer on the table”

Yeah, and whose fault was that? I’m looking right at you, big daddy.

Chris in Nashville July 30, 2008 at 4:57 pm

I’m sure people will dog on Pudge…but he’s still better than 90% of the catchers in the league. I know he certainly has his issues, but we are going to be regretting this one for a while I fear.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 4:57 pm

I think it’s a good trade. It helps us more, more than hurts us. We get the bullpen help that we needed and Farnsworth will probably be our closer.

Farnsworth is a Free Agent after the season just like how Pudge is.

Dave BW July 30, 2008 at 4:57 pm

On some level, it makes sense, I… guess: trade a 30 something reliever with no upside for a 30 something catcher with no upside. But really, how could this be the best deal the Tigers could have achieved?

tiff July 30, 2008 at 4:58 pm

isn’t it a little early for April Fools?

Don’t WE now have a hole at catcher? And at leadership, and face of the organization?

Kyle FARNSWORTH???

tiff July 30, 2008 at 4:59 pm

just because there’s a trade deadline doesn’t mean you NEED to make a trade, DD.

Ryan P July 30, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Great move.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 5:01 pm

Palmcroft- We’ll still get draft choices if Farnsworth signs elsewhere after the season, won’t we?

Joel in Seattle July 30, 2008 at 5:02 pm

The Tigers tradit for The Pr0f3ss0r?

At the very least, it will be great to read the dugout on this trade…

eyedar July 30, 2008 at 5:02 pm

This is nuts. We’re COMPETING with the Yankees. I don’t understand why we would do this.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:03 pm

If Farnsworth shows up in uniform tonight, I take back my prediction that Inge is gonna get one in the ribs…

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 5:05 pm

The implications of acquiring Farnsworth? Guesses:

1) Dolsi to Toledo.

2) Zumaya’s gonna be a starter, beginning… now? Stretching out… in Toledo? Or Detroit in long relief, and Fossum DFA?

3) Jones is gonna be dealt.

4) Maybe RODNEY is on the block.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:05 pm

“This is nuts. We’re COMPETING with the Yankees. I don’t understand why we would do this.”

Unless…oh man, this could be brilliant…what if Pudge is a double-agent? And suppose this is followed by trades to Boston, Minnesota, etc…one of our double-agents on each wild card competitor…this could work

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:06 pm

Although more probable would be: nuts

Kurt July 30, 2008 at 5:06 pm

YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!

Please tell me the reports of “straight up” aren’t accurate.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 5:07 pm

Atleast this is a great sign that the Tigers aren’t quitting or having a fire sale. They are playing for the stretch run this season. If they got prospects in return for Pudge I’d be pissed.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:08 pm

“Please tell me the reports of “straight up” aren’t accurate”
I believe they are, DD was seen ordering several “straight up” before he made the deal…

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 5:08 pm

Oh now I get it. The trade was actually for Professor Farnsworth. The Futurama guy. In that case, good deal. His smelloscope should come in handy. I only hope there is a PTBNL, which will undoubtedly be Bender.

Anson July 30, 2008 at 5:09 pm

News just in, the Detroit also received a ham sandwich in the deal.

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 5:10 pm

The implications of deaing Pudge? Guesses:

1) Carlos Guillen will be asked to move to catcher, and he’ll agree to it, of course. Marcus Thames, “a natural third baseman” (JL), takes over at the hot corner.

2) A deal for another catcher in the works? How? Who?

3) Inge at C for the remainder of his contract (“his bat looks pretty good for a catcher, eh?”)?

4) Sardinha – still with the organization, I presume – called up?

Joel in Seattle July 30, 2008 at 5:10 pm

Chief – that’s a good point. I don’t know that Farney will be considered a class A FA.

I kinda’ like Farnsworth, and I can find no fathomable defense for this trade. Pudge had to bring future value, because this lineup (which hasn’t exactly been consistent in lighting up the scoreboard) is worse with him out of it.

Do the Tigers bring up another catcher who has some offensive upside (like Ryan or even Skelton) to try him out?

Dave BW July 30, 2008 at 5:11 pm

The true rationale for this deal is that now thousands of fans will have to buy new t-shirts to replace their obsolete Pudge ones.

Kathy July 30, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Ham sandwich? We already got a ham……..Chef!

Forty July 30, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Could we have gotten Edwar Ramirez? Seems like given Pudge’s pretty solid offensive year at CATCHER that he’d be worth more to a team that’s definitely in the playoff hunt and has no catcher. Farnsworth at 6MM per year seems like a pretty low valuation for Pudge…even if it does address a need on our end.

Dave BW July 30, 2008 at 5:13 pm

You know… the more I think about this silly season, the more I like this trade. The insanity of the situation is just perfect.

btw I gather that NY will be covering some or most of the Professor’s salary. But who knows???

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:13 pm

“News just in, the Detroit also received a ham sandwich in the deal.”

This makes sense, since Detroit has been a sandwich short since yesterday

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 5:15 pm

Robertson goes to Texas for Laird. DD has been working those phones….

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 5:15 pm

“I believe they are, DD was seen ordering several “straight up” before he made the deal…”

AFTER the deal. He was shaken by the experience of blacking out for several hours, then coming to and finding out about the trade in the Free Press just like everyone else.

Joel in Seattle July 30, 2008 at 5:17 pm

For real, Chris? Do you have a link?

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:18 pm

There could be a lot we don’t know. Maybe Pudge swiped Skipper’s last carton of smokes and wouldn’t give them back…

Anson July 30, 2008 at 5:19 pm

I think DD is just trying to amass as many ham sandwiches as possible because Ilitch is out of money and needs to feed Miggy.

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Joel: That was idle speculation on my part.

Vince in MN July 30, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Well, that’s one down. Now if DD could just get rid of Rogers, Sheffield, Renteria, Jones, and Leyland before the trading deadline, we would stand a good chance of looking good for next year already (addition by subtaction). But my guess is that they are still suffering under the delusion that there is a chance to make the playoffs this year, so none of those deals will get done.

The immediate repercussions are that Dolsi probably goes down (unless they DFA Jones) and Sardhina comes back up to be the backup to our new No. 1 catcher, Brandon Inge.

Mark in Chicago July 30, 2008 at 5:20 pm

“Robertson goes to Texas for Laird. DD has been working those phones….”

Whoa, he sure has. And he’s gotten HOSED in both deals.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Thames and Galarraga back to Texas for Saltamacchia?

Sean C. in Illinois July 30, 2008 at 5:22 pm

“Robertson goes to Texas for Laird. DD has been working those phones….”

Man, you had me going there, Chris. I like that trade better.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:22 pm

Girardi said of Pudge, “he’s hitting over .290, and I think he’s hot.” See what I mean, there’s stuff we don’t know…

Anson July 30, 2008 at 5:23 pm

I think Ilitch just went crazy and told DD to do a firesale even though its only the middle of the season. The only weird thing is Ilitch demanded that DD get nothing of value in return.

Joey the K in Portland OR July 30, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Maybe DD is remembering how Farns pitched in Detroit a few years ago, and discounting everything since…

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 5:24 pm

I didn’t realize Girardi and Pudge had a groovy thing going…

Anson July 30, 2008 at 5:25 pm

Hmmm Coleman I wonder what Leyland thinks of Farnsworth?

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:28 pm

“Hmmm Coleman I wonder what Leyland thinks of Farnsworth?”

I think unknowingly Farnsworth will represent his anger; I think Leyland secretly wants to see some body-slamming to express his frustration with this season…think Leyland=Bruce Banner, Farnsworth=Hulk.

Chief Monday July 30, 2008 at 5:28 pm

Actually, Farnsworth has been lights out since Joba Chamberlain moved out of the pen.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Hmm, actually that thought even fits with the idea that Inge has been calling for knockdown pitches this season, and Pudge not. Leyland is now free to let his bloodthirsty demons run amok.

(The preceeding does not represent my true opinions; it is merely meant to entertain and hopefully calm Bloodthirsty Chris)

Chris in Dallas July 30, 2008 at 5:36 pm

I’m pretty sure the Tigers are planning a brawl very shortly. That is the only reason this deal might make sense.

Kathy July 30, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Coleman, thanks for the shout out. Yea, I did kinda call it. With Jorge gone, you know they’d want someone like Pudge and he’d love being there. I’ll miss him, though.

Mark in Chicago July 30, 2008 at 5:41 pm

This trade is inexplicable.

1) you are helping your competitor fill a hole, while subsequently creating one of your own. Inge is not an upgrade over pudge.

2) If the Robertson-Laird deal is legit (Chris? Anything?), you fill the catching hole but then plan to run ….??? out there to pitch in his spot? D-Train? Yikes.

3) If you knew you could get Laird and were comfortable having Willis (or some other) in your rotation, is Farnsworth the best reliever you could have gotten for pudge? Especially when the entire planet knows Florida is interested in pudge? No chance for a 3-team deal here?

If the plan is to run Inge and Sardinha out there, then, I dunno, we’re just…. ugh.

Coleman July 30, 2008 at 5:46 pm

Chris in Dallas: they are already flirting with one tonight…I think Cleveland intentionally hit Inge last night; I think Cleveland thinks Detroit intentionally hit Garko June 9 the AB after his HR, and I’m sure they think Inge called for Dolsi to nail Garko in the 8th inning last night. If the umpires are smart they warn everybody the first time anything happens tonight…

I don’t think the Tigers will start anything though, but I do think they would retaliate…

Palmcroft July 30, 2008 at 5:55 pm

If it does mean Zumaya as starter, well then HALLELUJAH!! He would give us a great one-two punch to take into the playoffs for years and years to come with Verlander. Throw in Porcello, this team could do great things.

The problem is that Farnsworth is a rental, so Zumaya needs to be ready to start soon or this trade is all about 2009.

And yes, Chief, I dunno is Farnsworth is valuable enough to bring quality draft picks if he signs elsewhere.

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