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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/07/all-star-break-discussion-1-pitching-coach/#comment-97249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel:

Absolutely. I really, really want it to happen but I don&#039;t know how likely it is. If it ever did occur, it&#039;d be from a team like the A&#039;s, Red Sox, DBacks, Indians, or another team along those lines. It&#039;d be a very interesting thing to see happen if it ever does. I don&#039;t know if it will, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel:</p>
<p>Absolutely. I really, really want it to happen but I don&#8217;t know how likely it is. If it ever did occur, it&#8217;d be from a team like the A&#8217;s, Red Sox, DBacks, Indians, or another team along those lines. It&#8217;d be a very interesting thing to see happen if it ever does. I don&#8217;t know if it will, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel in Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:

Oh, I understand that. I&#039;m just curious what the big free-agent pitchers would think. I think a guy like Roy Halladay would welcome the challenge of pitching 40 games a year. Teams would theoretically be willing to pay more for pitchers that are going to play in a quarter of their games rather than just a fifth.

I think it could actually make teams more attractive to some top-of-the-line guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>Oh, I understand that. I&#8217;m just curious what the big free-agent pitchers would think. I think a guy like Roy Halladay would welcome the challenge of pitching 40 games a year. Teams would theoretically be willing to pay more for pitchers that are going to play in a quarter of their games rather than just a fifth.</p>
<p>I think it could actually make teams more attractive to some top-of-the-line guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, if they&#039;re groomed within your organization they have no choice. For instance, Justin Verlander would have no choice in the matter or not because he&#039;s not FA eligible for another 3 years after this season. And, like I said, it&#039;d have to an organizational change, not just one at the major league level. It&#039;d have to go straight on down through your rookie league teams. So, if kids are coming up through that system, they&#039;ll get used to it and if they still don&#039;t like it, they&#039;re kind of stuck due to the Major League service time rule.

The only thing would be pitchers in the draft might be hesitant to sign, but money talks. Meet their price tag and they&#039;ll pitch 150 times a year so long as they get their paychecks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, if they&#8217;re groomed within your organization they have no choice. For instance, Justin Verlander would have no choice in the matter or not because he&#8217;s not FA eligible for another 3 years after this season. And, like I said, it&#8217;d have to an organizational change, not just one at the major league level. It&#8217;d have to go straight on down through your rookie league teams. So, if kids are coming up through that system, they&#8217;ll get used to it and if they still don&#8217;t like it, they&#8217;re kind of stuck due to the Major League service time rule.</p>
<p>The only thing would be pitchers in the draft might be hesitant to sign, but money talks. Meet their price tag and they&#8217;ll pitch 150 times a year so long as they get their paychecks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel in Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike R:

re: 4-man rotation, do you think such a move would entice or repel the best pitchers? I think many of them would be hesitant to put that much wear on their arm, but I think some of the best guys would love the chance to go for a 30-win season. I&#039;d be interesting to see if someone could do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike R:</p>
<p>re: 4-man rotation, do you think such a move would entice or repel the best pitchers? I think many of them would be hesitant to put that much wear on their arm, but I think some of the best guys would love the chance to go for a 30-win season. I&#8217;d be interesting to see if someone could do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve in Sweatervest Commonwealth: &quot;Josh Hamilton is friggin amazing… for those watching the HR Derby right now… 28 HR in the FIRST round - ridiculous!&quot;

Yes...and yet, that still works out to the specatators paying 23.00 per BP HR...

That reminds me, did anyone see Reggie Jackson&#039;s comment about the HR derby (&quot;how is it a home run derby without ryan howard and ken griffey jr? that&#039;s like a dunk contest without michael jordan.&quot;  

1: Reggie, you&#039;ve mellowed!  You KNOW you wanted to say BARRY BONDS, I KNOW you did!!!  Ryan Howard, Ken Griffey, Barry Bond! I almost heard you say it!! But you&#039;re on the MLB payroll for this thing at the same time aren&#039;t you?...that&#039;s OK, it will be worth it to be able to look at the tricks the candlelight plays on Bud&#039;s hairpiece at Ruth&#039;s Chris Steakhouse (BTW:  what a dumbass name for a restaurant...can ANYONE figure out the grammer happening there??).

2. Um, dude--you haven&#039;t watched a slam-dunk competition in a LONG time have you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve in Sweatervest Commonwealth: &#8220;Josh Hamilton is friggin amazing… for those watching the HR Derby right now… 28 HR in the FIRST round &#8211; ridiculous!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;and yet, that still works out to the specatators paying 23.00 per BP HR&#8230;</p>
<p>That reminds me, did anyone see Reggie Jackson&#8217;s comment about the HR derby (&#8220;how is it a home run derby without ryan howard and ken griffey jr? that&#8217;s like a dunk contest without michael jordan.&#8221;  </p>
<p>1: Reggie, you&#8217;ve mellowed!  You KNOW you wanted to say BARRY BONDS, I KNOW you did!!!  Ryan Howard, Ken Griffey, Barry Bond! I almost heard you say it!! But you&#8217;re on the MLB payroll for this thing at the same time aren&#8217;t you?&#8230;that&#8217;s OK, it will be worth it to be able to look at the tricks the candlelight plays on Bud&#8217;s hairpiece at Ruth&#8217;s Chris Steakhouse (BTW:  what a dumbass name for a restaurant&#8230;can ANYONE figure out the grammer happening there??).</p>
<p>2. Um, dude&#8211;you haven&#8217;t watched a slam-dunk competition in a LONG time have you?</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel in Ichiroville: &quot;I think it’s the high knees when he breaks off one of those great runs from scrimmage…&quot;

Yeah, those were the days.  Now it&#039;s the hineys that break off when they try to get a great run from scrimmage...

(Just double-checking--Scrimmage IS in mid-state Pennsylvania, right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel in Ichiroville: &#8220;I think it’s the high knees when he breaks off one of those great runs from scrimmage…&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, those were the days.  Now it&#8217;s the hineys that break off when they try to get a great run from scrimmage&#8230;</p>
<p>(Just double-checking&#8211;Scrimmage IS in mid-state Pennsylvania, right?)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in OH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in OH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Hamilton is friggin amazing... for those watching the HR Derby right now... 28 HR in the FIRST round - ridiculous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Hamilton is friggin amazing&#8230; for those watching the HR Derby right now&#8230; 28 HR in the FIRST round &#8211; ridiculous!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want Rick Peterson. Someone who works with people who knows how the body works. Peterson&#039;s into the biomechanical way of pitch (things that rated Tim Lincecum&#039;s delivery as very good rather than &#039;herky-jerky&#039; that scared a ton of teams off of him in the 05 draft).

I&#039;d also like to employ the same system that the Red Sox have with Papelbon and I believe they use it for all of their pitchers. It deals with arm strength. They&#039;ve got a dude who asks papelbon, for instance, how his arm feels on a scale of 1-5 or 1-10. He&#039;ll answer, say, a 7. Then they&#039;ll run tests to actually grade out his arm for that day and if it&#039;s below a certain number, he&#039;s off limits. If it&#039;s not, he&#039;s good to go. This is especially useful when it comes to back-to-back-to-back outings and things of that ilk.

And this is a pipe-dream since it&#039;d take having to adjust an entire organization&#039;s training and philosophy, but I&#039;d like to try out the 4-man rotation that Baseball Prospectus (i think it&#039;s them) says maximizes the teams talents. It&#039;d allow for another bench player or bullpen arm. And that type of rotation would give each pitcher more innings and keep them on an absolute strict 100-110 pitch count that couldn&#039;t be exceeded for it to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want Rick Peterson. Someone who works with people who knows how the body works. Peterson&#8217;s into the biomechanical way of pitch (things that rated Tim Lincecum&#8217;s delivery as very good rather than &#8216;herky-jerky&#8217; that scared a ton of teams off of him in the 05 draft).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to employ the same system that the Red Sox have with Papelbon and I believe they use it for all of their pitchers. It deals with arm strength. They&#8217;ve got a dude who asks papelbon, for instance, how his arm feels on a scale of 1-5 or 1-10. He&#8217;ll answer, say, a 7. Then they&#8217;ll run tests to actually grade out his arm for that day and if it&#8217;s below a certain number, he&#8217;s off limits. If it&#8217;s not, he&#8217;s good to go. This is especially useful when it comes to back-to-back-to-back outings and things of that ilk.</p>
<p>And this is a pipe-dream since it&#8217;d take having to adjust an entire organization&#8217;s training and philosophy, but I&#8217;d like to try out the 4-man rotation that Baseball Prospectus (i think it&#8217;s them) says maximizes the teams talents. It&#8217;d allow for another bench player or bullpen arm. And that type of rotation would give each pitcher more innings and keep them on an absolute strict 100-110 pitch count that couldn&#8217;t be exceeded for it to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I would certainly emphasize as a pitching coach is &lt;b&gt;throw your fastball&lt;/b&gt;.  I hated to see Verlander in the early part of the year get two strikes on a guy and automatically go to the curveball or changeup.  If a guy is 0-2, make him chase a fastball up or a fastball away.  This is one of the few things I really like about how Josh Beckett pitches - he uses his fastball as an outpitch an awful lot.  Verlander has started doing that more this year, and it has paid off.

I don&#039;t necessarily buy into the basic &quot;throw strikes&quot; philosophy, because lots of pitchers do that and get hammered (Silva).  My thing would be - get ahead, then expand the zone, then make them chase.  Bonderman and Rogers are very good at this.

As far as how long to leave a guy in for - I&#039;d let him show me how long he can be effective.  Every pitcher is different.  Dan Haren runs out of gas at 105 pitches.  CC Sabathia is just getting started at 70.  For Verlander, I wouldn&#039;t have any problem with him averaging 110-115 pitches per start, unless he shows signs of fatigue.  Bonderman doesn&#039;t seem to be up to that workload, but I&#039;d try and get his arm to be a little more resilient in Spring Training and have him throw 105-110 every time out.  Of course, when Bonderman is right he can make 100 pitches go a long way because he doesn&#039;t walk many people.  He&#039;s exactly what you want out of a #2 guy, just like Haren or James Shields - to efficiently give you 6 or 7 quality innings, every time out.  For the ace, it&#039;s different - take as many pitches as you need, but dominate for 6 or 7 innings.

I&#039;d also really shoot for getting 200 innings out of the top two guys in the rotation at the very least.  When healthy, there is no reason Verlander and Bonderman shouldn&#039;t combine for 420 innings of 4.00 ball with 400 strikeouts.

Every pitcher on the staff, including bullpen guys, would be working on or already posses a put-away changeup.  Not the Josh Beckett/A.J. Burnett throw it 5 times a game at nearly the speed of the fastball changeup, but one with 8-10 mph difference and movement.  That&#039;s part of the reason I was so bummed to see Bonderman go down this year, because he had made that change - throwing more fastballs, more changeups, and fewer sliders.  Get ahead with the fastball, put away with any of them.  

So basically, I&#039;d do this:

Get more innings out of my best pitchers
Try to have them be more efficient by using their fastballs more
Don&#039;t pull a guy at 100 pitches if he&#039;s got gas left and has shown it won&#039;t affect him
Skip the fifth starter if there were an off day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I would certainly emphasize as a pitching coach is <b>throw your fastball</b>.  I hated to see Verlander in the early part of the year get two strikes on a guy and automatically go to the curveball or changeup.  If a guy is 0-2, make him chase a fastball up or a fastball away.  This is one of the few things I really like about how Josh Beckett pitches &#8211; he uses his fastball as an outpitch an awful lot.  Verlander has started doing that more this year, and it has paid off.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily buy into the basic &#8220;throw strikes&#8221; philosophy, because lots of pitchers do that and get hammered (Silva).  My thing would be &#8211; get ahead, then expand the zone, then make them chase.  Bonderman and Rogers are very good at this.</p>
<p>As far as how long to leave a guy in for &#8211; I&#8217;d let him show me how long he can be effective.  Every pitcher is different.  Dan Haren runs out of gas at 105 pitches.  CC Sabathia is just getting started at 70.  For Verlander, I wouldn&#8217;t have any problem with him averaging 110-115 pitches per start, unless he shows signs of fatigue.  Bonderman doesn&#8217;t seem to be up to that workload, but I&#8217;d try and get his arm to be a little more resilient in Spring Training and have him throw 105-110 every time out.  Of course, when Bonderman is right he can make 100 pitches go a long way because he doesn&#8217;t walk many people.  He&#8217;s exactly what you want out of a #2 guy, just like Haren or James Shields &#8211; to efficiently give you 6 or 7 quality innings, every time out.  For the ace, it&#8217;s different &#8211; take as many pitches as you need, but dominate for 6 or 7 innings.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also really shoot for getting 200 innings out of the top two guys in the rotation at the very least.  When healthy, there is no reason Verlander and Bonderman shouldn&#8217;t combine for 420 innings of 4.00 ball with 400 strikeouts.</p>
<p>Every pitcher on the staff, including bullpen guys, would be working on or already posses a put-away changeup.  Not the Josh Beckett/A.J. Burnett throw it 5 times a game at nearly the speed of the fastball changeup, but one with 8-10 mph difference and movement.  That&#8217;s part of the reason I was so bummed to see Bonderman go down this year, because he had made that change &#8211; throwing more fastballs, more changeups, and fewer sliders.  Get ahead with the fastball, put away with any of them.  </p>
<p>So basically, I&#8217;d do this:</p>
<p>Get more innings out of my best pitchers<br />
Try to have them be more efficient by using their fastballs more<br />
Don&#8217;t pull a guy at 100 pitches if he&#8217;s got gas left and has shown it won&#8217;t affect him<br />
Skip the fifth starter if there were an off day</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Monday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That just throw strikes philosophy wouldn&#039;t work for the Tigers.  Are pitchers need to nibble the corners, take chances on walking hitters, so that they can get easy outs.

Minnesota pitchers pitch to contact, but that wouldn&#039;t work so well with the Tigers pitchers because We don&#039;t have great defense.   Are pitchers need to rely on hitters hitting bad pitches into double plays or hitting into easy pop fly outs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That just throw strikes philosophy wouldn&#8217;t work for the Tigers.  Are pitchers need to nibble the corners, take chances on walking hitters, so that they can get easy outs.</p>
<p>Minnesota pitchers pitch to contact, but that wouldn&#8217;t work so well with the Tigers pitchers because We don&#8217;t have great defense.   Are pitchers need to rely on hitters hitting bad pitches into double plays or hitting into easy pop fly outs.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitting and pitching coaches at the ML level are a mystery to me in terms of what kind of and how much impact they can have on a staff or even individual player. Coaches, for the most part, have to deal with the material at hand, and how they deal with it involves variables which may prove to be successful in one case and fail in another. How much of this is due to the coach and his approach and how much to the player is anybody&#039;s (at least from where we sit) guess. Adding an additional BIG variable to the equation is that of player development at the lower levels, which of course involves a philosophy which could well precede and be quite different than that of any pitching coach. By example compare the Tigers penchant for many years of drafting pitchers who could throw the ball over the backstop at 100MPH but rarely find the strike zone (e.g. Matt Anderson), to the hated Twins who have drafted for quite some time now mostly pitchers with average fastballs but good-excellent control (e.g. Blackburn, Slowey, Baker - all in the Brad Radke mold). The Twins, obviously, have a system in place which is consistent from draft to developemont to MLB and it has served them well. I&#039;m not sure the Tigers are as far advanced with the long-term plan (remember the disastrous Randy &quot;Radar&quot; Smith era is not that long ago), but of course i don&#039;t know this; it&#039;s just a guess on my part based on hearsay and those minor league system ratings we read about in the sports mags from tiime to time. Anyway, I guess my pont is that for a pitching coach to have any chance of success, I would think that, despite being gifted as a teacher and having  willing  students, his particular philosophy has to match up with the organization&#039;s successful one as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitting and pitching coaches at the ML level are a mystery to me in terms of what kind of and how much impact they can have on a staff or even individual player. Coaches, for the most part, have to deal with the material at hand, and how they deal with it involves variables which may prove to be successful in one case and fail in another. How much of this is due to the coach and his approach and how much to the player is anybody&#8217;s (at least from where we sit) guess. Adding an additional BIG variable to the equation is that of player development at the lower levels, which of course involves a philosophy which could well precede and be quite different than that of any pitching coach. By example compare the Tigers penchant for many years of drafting pitchers who could throw the ball over the backstop at 100MPH but rarely find the strike zone (e.g. Matt Anderson), to the hated Twins who have drafted for quite some time now mostly pitchers with average fastballs but good-excellent control (e.g. Blackburn, Slowey, Baker &#8211; all in the Brad Radke mold). The Twins, obviously, have a system in place which is consistent from draft to developemont to MLB and it has served them well. I&#8217;m not sure the Tigers are as far advanced with the long-term plan (remember the disastrous Randy &#8220;Radar&#8221; Smith era is not that long ago), but of course i don&#8217;t know this; it&#8217;s just a guess on my part based on hearsay and those minor league system ratings we read about in the sports mags from tiime to time. Anyway, I guess my pont is that for a pitching coach to have any chance of success, I would think that, despite being gifted as a teacher and having  willing  students, his particular philosophy has to match up with the organization&#8217;s successful one as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Monday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want a pitching coach who is given guaranteed time to work and grow with the entire pitching staff.  The more time a pitching coach gets to learn his staff, the better the pitching coach will be.  Merely changing pitching coaches can only hurt the team because you&#039;re back to square 1 if you do that.  I feel the same way about a manager and the rest of the coaching staff.  

These men basically do the same thing forest rangers do, they need to learn the layout of the land.  If you switch forest rangers every year or every other year, you&#039;ll have nobody who knows the parks intricacies and secrets.

If you keep the same coaching staff for 3+ years you&#039;ll finally have guys who know  and have learned their talent inside and out.  The only problem with LJ and crew is that they are old.  We can&#039;t keep them here for 10+ years.  

My philosophy about baseball is that almost any philosophy or coaching method can work if it is given time and players with talent.   Coaches can help make that talent shine.  

Galarraga credits his success this year because of what Chuch Hernandez told him.  Chuck simply said. &quot;trust your pitches&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want a pitching coach who is given guaranteed time to work and grow with the entire pitching staff.  The more time a pitching coach gets to learn his staff, the better the pitching coach will be.  Merely changing pitching coaches can only hurt the team because you&#8217;re back to square 1 if you do that.  I feel the same way about a manager and the rest of the coaching staff.  </p>
<p>These men basically do the same thing forest rangers do, they need to learn the layout of the land.  If you switch forest rangers every year or every other year, you&#8217;ll have nobody who knows the parks intricacies and secrets.</p>
<p>If you keep the same coaching staff for 3+ years you&#8217;ll finally have guys who know  and have learned their talent inside and out.  The only problem with LJ and crew is that they are old.  We can&#8217;t keep them here for 10+ years.  </p>
<p>My philosophy about baseball is that almost any philosophy or coaching method can work if it is given time and players with talent.   Coaches can help make that talent shine.  </p>
<p>Galarraga credits his success this year because of what Chuch Hernandez told him.  Chuck simply said. &#8220;trust your pitches&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Vince.  I&#039;d also like to add that I hate managers who are slaves to the Jerome Holtzman rule, which is all of them.  That being the rule for what constitutes a save.  Use your best relievers in the highest leverage situations, which doesn&#039;t necessarily mean the 9th inning with a 3 or less run lead.  And for goodness sake, don&#039;t be afraid to use a guy for (gasp) more than three outs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Vince.  I&#8217;d also like to add that I hate managers who are slaves to the Jerome Holtzman rule, which is all of them.  That being the rule for what constitutes a save.  Use your best relievers in the highest leverage situations, which doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean the 9th inning with a 3 or less run lead.  And for goodness sake, don&#8217;t be afraid to use a guy for (gasp) more than three outs.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel in Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s the high knees when he breaks off one of those great runs from scrimmage...

Sorry, that was lame. I&#039;m just out of my element when the discussion gets technical, and I miss baseball already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s the high knees when he breaks off one of those great runs from scrimmage&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry, that was lame. I&#8217;m just out of my element when the discussion gets technical, and I miss baseball already.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, I agree.  Which is why I said...

&lt;blockquote&gt;You’re the manager/general manager. What are you looking for in a coach?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I agree about Roger Craig, but what is it about him that makes him an attractive choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince, I agree.  Which is why I said&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>You’re the manager/general manager. What are you looking for in a coach?</p></blockquote>
<p>And I agree about Roger Craig, but what is it about him that makes him an attractive choice?</p>
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