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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I disagree that FA SP is a bad place to spend money.  Don't spend a ton of money there, I agree, and at least 2/5 of the rotation should probably be young, home grown, and cheap, but I see no problem with signing a great FA pitcher if he's available.  Think about when the D'Backs signed Randy Johnson for a then-huge $55 million/4 year deal.  He won the Cy each year.  He was an expensive FA SP but without him the D'Backs wouldn't have been good.  Having one of those guys in the rotation isn't an awful idea.  I agree, it shouldn't be more than that (see Yankees, last year: Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina), but to get a truly top flight pitcher, even if he takes a ton of money to get, isn't a bad idea.  I think there are only a few guys worth that these days: Sabathia, Halladay, Webb, Santana, maybe Peavy, maybe Beckett.  A few more years and the likes of Verlander and Lincecum will likely be in that group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I disagree that FA SP is a bad place to spend money.  Don&#8217;t spend a ton of money there, I agree, and at least 2/5 of the rotation should probably be young, home grown, and cheap, but I see no problem with signing a great FA pitcher if he&#8217;s available.  Think about when the D&#8217;Backs signed Randy Johnson for a then-huge $55 million/4 year deal.  He won the Cy each year.  He was an expensive FA SP but without him the D&#8217;Backs wouldn&#8217;t have been good.  Having one of those guys in the rotation isn&#8217;t an awful idea.  I agree, it shouldn&#8217;t be more than that (see Yankees, last year: Clemens, Pettitte, Mussina), but to get a truly top flight pitcher, even if he takes a ton of money to get, isn&#8217;t a bad idea.  I think there are only a few guys worth that these days: Sabathia, Halladay, Webb, Santana, maybe Peavy, maybe Beckett.  A few more years and the likes of Verlander and Lincecum will likely be in that group.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris--that is a good point.

However, I would take issue with your characterization of Santana.  I think he is a bit more than an "expensive innings eater." 

And DET followed this approach....but they traded away Jurrjens, Miller, Trahern, etc.  I think the bullpen is looking solid for the future, but I am worried about the rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8211;that is a good point.</p>
<p>However, I would take issue with your characterization of Santana.  I think he is a bit more than an &#8220;expensive innings eater.&#8221; </p>
<p>And DET followed this approach&#8230;.but they traded away Jurrjens, Miller, Trahern, etc.  I think the bullpen is looking solid for the future, but I am worried about the rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"does anyone think that DD may use the Pudge/Sheffield/Rogers money (assuming they are not re-signed) and go after a top free agent SP (among other needs…1B/3B, C, etc)?"

I sure hope not. 

Teams like the As and the Twins show us time and time again that you build effective pitching staffs from within or with trades for young prospects. Both of these franchises load up with young talent in their farm systems, and they then let the law of averages do the rest. And when they do get their guy, they ride him until the contract is up, trade him for more prospects, or simply let them go. And then they let one of those other sucker teams spend tons of money and prospects doing it. It is absolutely brilliant for the little guy. David is making Goliath small before kicking his ass.

For any GM to feel that they can get their ace with a big time, expensive veteran signing, I have only two words: Barry Zito. .....And even Johan Santana is nothing more than an expensive innings eater. The Mets can only hope that those innings are as good as the ones he provided on the cheap. Santana is still pretty good, but we are seeing a lot of young guys recently brought up in the past year or two who are performing as good or better than Santana, and for much cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;does anyone think that DD may use the Pudge/Sheffield/Rogers money (assuming they are not re-signed) and go after a top free agent SP (among other needs…1B/3B, C, etc)?&#8221;</p>
<p>I sure hope not. </p>
<p>Teams like the As and the Twins show us time and time again that you build effective pitching staffs from within or with trades for young prospects. Both of these franchises load up with young talent in their farm systems, and they then let the law of averages do the rest. And when they do get their guy, they ride him until the contract is up, trade him for more prospects, or simply let them go. And then they let one of those other sucker teams spend tons of money and prospects doing it. It is absolutely brilliant for the little guy. David is making Goliath small before kicking his ass.</p>
<p>For any GM to feel that they can get their ace with a big time, expensive veteran signing, I have only two words: Barry Zito. &#8230;..And even Johan Santana is nothing more than an expensive innings eater. The Mets can only hope that those innings are as good as the ones he provided on the cheap. Santana is still pretty good, but we are seeing a lot of young guys recently brought up in the past year or two who are performing as good or better than Santana, and for much cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that's just it.  Given that Cliff Lee had an awesome 2005, followed by a mediocre 2006, then a 2007 demotion, then a Cy Young-type 2008, I don't see how anyone could legitimately predict consistent good pitching down the road from him.  They could probably get a Haren-sized haul (pitching well, affordable contract) for him right now from a team that wants to win right now, and I kind of think that if they have given up on this year, they'd be fools not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s just it.  Given that Cliff Lee had an awesome 2005, followed by a mediocre 2006, then a 2007 demotion, then a Cy Young-type 2008, I don&#8217;t see how anyone could legitimately predict consistent good pitching down the road from him.  They could probably get a Haren-sized haul (pitching well, affordable contract) for him right now from a team that wants to win right now, and I kind of think that if they have given up on this year, they&#8217;d be fools not to.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this helps DET near term, but I am more worried about the Tigers satrting pitching next year and beyond.

does anyone think that DD may use the Pudge/Sheffield/Rogers money (assuming they are not re-signed) and go after a top free agent SP (among other needs...1B/3B, C, etc)?

they will have JV and hopefully a healthy Bonderman...Galarraga has looked good.  nate is Nate...a #4-5 at best.  Porcello...who knows when he will arrive?

the Jurrjens trade obviously looks worse in the rear view mirror, but no sense crying over spilt milk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this helps DET near term, but I am more worried about the Tigers satrting pitching next year and beyond.</p>
<p>does anyone think that DD may use the Pudge/Sheffield/Rogers money (assuming they are not re-signed) and go after a top free agent SP (among other needs&#8230;1B/3B, C, etc)?</p>
<p>they will have JV and hopefully a healthy Bonderman&#8230;Galarraga has looked good.  nate is Nate&#8230;a #4-5 at best.  Porcello&#8230;who knows when he will arrive?</p>
<p>the Jurrjens trade obviously looks worse in the rear view mirror, but no sense crying over spilt milk.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think Lee is going anywhere.  They're probably banking on an '09 rotation of Lee-Carmona-Laffey-Westbrook-Sowers/Miller/Fifth Starter X, which should probably be decent.  If they finally hit Grady Sizemore in the three hole and Victor Martinez figures out how to hit a "home run", The Tribe should be contenders in '09.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Lee is going anywhere.  They&#8217;re probably banking on an &#8216;09 rotation of Lee-Carmona-Laffey-Westbrook-Sowers/Miller/Fifth Starter X, which should probably be decent.  If they finally hit Grady Sizemore in the three hole and Victor Martinez figures out how to hit a &#8220;home run&#8221;, The Tribe should be contenders in &#8216;09.</p>
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		<title>By: Anson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would make sense to trade Lee while he is playing great and try to get the most value for him but the Indians have him signed for next year and an option in 2010. 
Regardless, I'd like to see him traded just so there is the chance that Cleveland fans might become so livid that they light the Cuyahoga on fire again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would make sense to trade Lee while he is playing great and try to get the most value for him but the Indians have him signed for next year and an option in 2010.<br />
Regardless, I&#8217;d like to see him traded just so there is the chance that Cleveland fans might become so livid that they light the Cuyahoga on fire again.</p>
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		<title>By: David G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With his contract status, Lee if probably more valuable to the Indians if they hold him.  Given the market for top-notch SP and assuming he remains one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With his contract status, Lee if probably more valuable to the Indians if they hold him.  Given the market for top-notch SP and assuming he remains one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With this having gone down, I can't help but wonder if Cliff Lee is next.  With this season a wash, it may be in their interest to get a big package for Lee while his value is sky high.  If they think Sowers and Laffey can be long-term contributors, and they can get a top notch pitching prospect and a couple other guys, it makes sense to let him go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With this having gone down, I can&#8217;t help but wonder if Cliff Lee is next.  With this season a wash, it may be in their interest to get a big package for Lee while his value is sky high.  If they think Sowers and Laffey can be long-term contributors, and they can get a top notch pitching prospect and a couple other guys, it makes sense to let him go.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's basically an 11 week rental of Sabathia to the Brewers.  Since Cleveland isn't going anywhere this year, it makes no sense to pay a fortune to a player who is just going to leave at the end of the year anyway.  Laporta, meanwhile, will be under club control for six years - it's just a sound swap of contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s basically an 11 week rental of Sabathia to the Brewers.  Since Cleveland isn&#8217;t going anywhere this year, it makes no sense to pay a fortune to a player who is just going to leave at the end of the year anyway.  Laporta, meanwhile, will be under club control for six years - it&#8217;s just a sound swap of contracts.</p>
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