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	<title>Comments on: Ramblings on Sheff&#8217;s rehab</title>
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		<title>By: judpma</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-92145</link>
		<dc:creator>judpma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Sheff is  1 for Lakeland...looks ready to me...he did that here</description>
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		<title>By: ez</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91358</link>
		<dc:creator>ez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are still talking about pet peeves, then throw in how many people get &#039;decimate&#039; wrong. Decimate used to mean to destroy 1/10 of. In fact this misunderstanding has become so widespread that the dictionary changed it to mean either completely destroy or the secondary term of to destroy 1/10 of. Overuse by quasi intelligent media has given this term a whole new meaning....

I&#039;d rather listen to the lot speaking here than the meanderings of the media any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are still talking about pet peeves, then throw in how many people get &#8216;decimate&#8217; wrong. Decimate used to mean to destroy 1/10 of. In fact this misunderstanding has become so widespread that the dictionary changed it to mean either completely destroy or the secondary term of to destroy 1/10 of. Overuse by quasi intelligent media has given this term a whole new meaning&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather listen to the lot speaking here than the meanderings of the media any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Monday</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91336</link>
		<dc:creator>Chief Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>atta boy sheff. hope he keeps it up.</description>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91331</link>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer and 2 walks for Sheffield so far tonight.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91330</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many things to try to respond to but for me: I&#039;m fine so long as he&#039;s not languishing in the 3rd spot. that was my biggest point of contention. You can semi-get away with someone being awful in the 8th or 9th spots. But Sheffield, even with the spread between his average and his OBP, was KILLING the lineup in the 3rd spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many things to try to respond to but for me: I&#8217;m fine so long as he&#8217;s not languishing in the 3rd spot. that was my biggest point of contention. You can semi-get away with someone being awful in the 8th or 9th spots. But Sheffield, even with the spread between his average and his OBP, was KILLING the lineup in the 3rd spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91326</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Took me while to get that, tiff. I was thinking you posted a comment for another thread on this one. I&#039;m slow.

BIR has the advantage of using the built-in ambiguity of the R in RBI - is it run? is it runs? - to advantage. Whether you say BIR or BIRs, you can&#039;t go wrong. Plus, it could be pronounced &quot;beer,&quot; always a good thing.

And if y&#039;all can&#039;t go for that, I say we go metric and straighten all those old statistics out. I&#039;m tired of earned and unearned. Runs are runs. I want RPG to replace ERA. And instead of R and RBI, I want SR (Scored Runs) and DR (Driven Runs). In fact, combine the two to be one simple RC (Runs Created) I want K and BB out of here, replaced with simple S and W. I&#039;m not interested in AB and batting averages - out! PA, H, W, RC, and OBP/SLG/OPS. Yeah.

I am your Reform Party candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took me while to get that, tiff. I was thinking you posted a comment for another thread on this one. I&#8217;m slow.</p>
<p>BIR has the advantage of using the built-in ambiguity of the R in RBI &#8211; is it run? is it runs? &#8211; to advantage. Whether you say BIR or BIRs, you can&#8217;t go wrong. Plus, it could be pronounced &#8220;beer,&#8221; always a good thing.</p>
<p>And if y&#8217;all can&#8217;t go for that, I say we go metric and straighten all those old statistics out. I&#8217;m tired of earned and unearned. Runs are runs. I want RPG to replace ERA. And instead of R and RBI, I want SR (Scored Runs) and DR (Driven Runs). In fact, combine the two to be one simple RC (Runs Created) I want K and BB out of here, replaced with simple S and W. I&#8217;m not interested in AB and batting averages &#8211; out! PA, H, W, RC, and OBP/SLG/OPS. Yeah.</p>
<p>I am your Reform Party candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91325</link>
		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or you could just say &quot;risbee.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or you could just say &#8220;risbee.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91323</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking ahead @ some of the pitching matchups for the week...Jonathan Sanchez tonight.  He&#039;s tough.  (Feel free to insert &#039;Dirty Sanchez&#039; jokes here...)   Zito tomorrow afternoon.  Only 6 1/2 years and $100 million left, Giants fans.  The Tigs will miss Peavy in San Diego, and instead draw the three-headed hydra of Baek-Maddux-Wolf.  That&#039;s good. After what they did to Park, it&#039;s obvious that they offer no quarter to Koreans, so the Baek start should be a win.  Maddux could be tough, or he could give up 10 runs in 3 innings (this is the life of a 40+ pitcher).  Wolf is a lefty, so that bodes well.  Be warned, though, cuz he can hit.  I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and say they&#039;ll go 4-1 over the next 5...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking ahead @ some of the pitching matchups for the week&#8230;Jonathan Sanchez tonight.  He&#8217;s tough.  (Feel free to insert &#8216;Dirty Sanchez&#8217; jokes here&#8230;)   Zito tomorrow afternoon.  Only 6 1/2 years and $100 million left, Giants fans.  The Tigs will miss Peavy in San Diego, and instead draw the three-headed hydra of Baek-Maddux-Wolf.  That&#8217;s good. After what they did to Park, it&#8217;s obvious that they offer no quarter to Koreans, so the Baek start should be a win.  Maddux could be tough, or he could give up 10 runs in 3 innings (this is the life of a 40+ pitcher).  Wolf is a lefty, so that bodes well.  Be warned, though, cuz he can hit.  I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb and say they&#8217;ll go 4-1 over the next 5&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel in Seattle</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91322</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg:

&#039;s doesn&#039;t denote plurality... that&#039;s one of my pet peeves. And probably what you were going for. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:</p>
<p>&#8216;s doesn&#8217;t denote plurality&#8230; that&#8217;s one of my pet peeves. And probably what you were going for. <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chief Monday</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91321</link>
		<dc:creator>Chief Monday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheff was hitting a ton better when he started lifting his front leg up more to time the pitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheff was hitting a ton better when he started lifting his front leg up more to time the pitches.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91320</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we should start saying 

R&#039;sBI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should start saying </p>
<p>R&#8217;sBI</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91319</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;irregardless&#039; drives me nuts too.  It&#039;s not a word, and I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s in the dictionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;irregardless&#8217; drives me nuts too.  It&#8217;s not a word, and I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s in the dictionary.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean wrote:

Agreed, Greg. I’d be equally happy if they released him today and made it a moot point so they could get on with better projects than making the lineup a test lab for him.

Bat speed is wonderful. How long do you wait for it to translate into hits when a guy’s 40+? And why is Sheffield consistently given a pass in terms of “if only he was healthy, he would hit”? Players do lose it.

I think you misunderstood my point, I don&#039;t think he should be given a pass.  But people act like it would be a shock if he was productive again.  That&#039;s just silly.  Guillen bending over for ground balls(like he has the past 2 weeks)....not THAT&#039;S shocking.  My only point was that it wouldn&#039;t be a surprise if he did start producing.

Of course players do lose it(I&#039;m guessing that you mean skills deterioration due to old age, not the Milton Bradley type thing) but, I need to see at least SOME evidence of skills detoriation before I believe that&#039;s whats happening.  Just looking at his birthdate and low batting avg. isn&#039;t evidence to me.  What I&#039;m seeing is strong evidence that he&#039;s not healthy, but that he could produce big time if he was.   

I don&#039;t think they should make a lineup a test lab for him either.  How long should they wait for the bat speed to translate to production.....I don&#039;t think you should be prejudice against someone because of their age, so I&#039;d wait just as long I you for anyone else who has MVP type production as their upside.  If he had a slow bat, that would be a different story because it would be evidence that age IS catching up to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean wrote:</p>
<p>Agreed, Greg. I’d be equally happy if they released him today and made it a moot point so they could get on with better projects than making the lineup a test lab for him.</p>
<p>Bat speed is wonderful. How long do you wait for it to translate into hits when a guy’s 40+? And why is Sheffield consistently given a pass in terms of “if only he was healthy, he would hit”? Players do lose it.</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood my point, I don&#8217;t think he should be given a pass.  But people act like it would be a shock if he was productive again.  That&#8217;s just silly.  Guillen bending over for ground balls(like he has the past 2 weeks)&#8230;.not THAT&#8217;S shocking.  My only point was that it wouldn&#8217;t be a surprise if he did start producing.</p>
<p>Of course players do lose it(I&#8217;m guessing that you mean skills deterioration due to old age, not the Milton Bradley type thing) but, I need to see at least SOME evidence of skills detoriation before I believe that&#8217;s whats happening.  Just looking at his birthdate and low batting avg. isn&#8217;t evidence to me.  What I&#8217;m seeing is strong evidence that he&#8217;s not healthy, but that he could produce big time if he was.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they should make a lineup a test lab for him either.  How long should they wait for the bat speed to translate to production&#8230;..I don&#8217;t think you should be prejudice against someone because of their age, so I&#8217;d wait just as long I you for anyone else who has MVP type production as their upside.  If he had a slow bat, that would be a different story because it would be evidence that age IS catching up to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91311</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I&#039;ve never heard &quot;this day of age.&quot; Too funny. I might start using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#8217;ve never heard &#8220;this day of age.&#8221; Too funny. I might start using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/ramblings-on-sheffs-rehab/#comment-91309</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel

I agree, and the point about better pitching was and is well taken.</description>
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<p>I agree, and the point about better pitching was and is well taken.</p>
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