Game 79: Rockies at Tigers

by billfer on June 27, 2008 · 190 comments

in 2008 Season,Game Post

PREGAME: Ooohhh, subplots abound. There’s that whole Jim Leyland quitting on the Rockies thing, but he’s already made his one statement about that. Plus there is that Jason Grilli commenting on team chemistry thing, and the fact that he pitches awful at Comerica Park.

Of more concern though are the Tigers simultaneous marches to mediocrity and contention. The Tigers are 2 games below the .500 mark and Sunday marks the end of the first half of the season. If Detroit can somehow muster a sweep, they’d be +1 for the first half which isn’t a big deal on its own. But given the struggles of the first 2 months would be a mighty accomplishment.

The Rockies have lost their last 4 and are 15 games below .500. Tonight they send out Ubaldo Jimenez. Jimenz has been on a bit of a roll of late allowing only 3 earned runs in his last 3 starts. He strikes out a fair amount, but walks a batter every other inning.

For the Tigers it will be Eddie Bonine making his 3rd career start. The red flag with Bonine in the early going is that he’s allowed 3 homers in his 12.1 innings. And those innings came at notorious non-homer parks Comerica Park and Petco.

COL @ DET, Friday, June 27, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

Game Time 7:05

POSTGAME: I’d laud the outstanding efforts of Eddie Bonine and Curtis Granderson, but I’m leery. I touted Gary Sheffield’s awesomeness only to see a GIDP and a K in a hitless stat line. Maybe I should just let Bonine’s 8 innings of 1 run ball and 17 ground ball outs speak for themselves. And offensively, how much commentary is required when a player puts together back to back 4 hit games and extends a hitting streak to 15 games? Those kind of accomplishments don’t need to be propped up by some blogger. They stand on their own.

I will just reiterate a statement I made a few days ago. Watching Granderson go to third is a thing of beauty. There is that moment between first and second when you just know he’s going for the triple. It’s all so smooth with perfectly turned angles to the bases that an engineer can appreciate. But there’s still something about that moment when despite the smoothness, there is that one explosive step where he seems to get an extra gear as he braces himself to round second and head to third. Simply a joy to watch.

  • The Tigers plated 7 runs, but it felt like it should have been so much more. Like Wednesday’s game I can’t really bag on an offense that racks up 15 hits and forces a starter to throw over 100 pitches in 4 innings. But this game seemed like it had double digit runs written all over it.
  • Joel Zumaya had a nice outing. Sure there was the double and wild pitch. But a swinging strike out is what we really were looking for. Most important were no walks allowed.
  • Oh yeah. And Clete Thomas reached base 4 more times. That’s not too shabby.
  • Now if only the Twins would lose.
 
 

{ 190 comments }

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 10:20 am

I trust that Grilli’s trend of pitching poorly at Comerica continues. I can’t imagine Clint Hurdle would throw him to the wolves like that, but I expect him to be absolutely abused by Tiger fans if he does.

Dave T. June 27, 2008 at 10:38 am

Lets just hope the rain stays away…with the Tigers playing this well they need to get the games in. (Also I have tix for Saturday)

Kyle J June 27, 2008 at 10:56 am

I hope the fans don’t go overboard in booing Grilli if he makes an appearance. Better to let the past be the past and not send a message to the current players as to how ex-Tigers are treated.

bruce b June 27, 2008 at 11:12 am

with grilli pitching for the visitors, i would hope he gets a standing o as he walks to the mound, i know i’d be excited for that as a tigers fan

Ryan P June 27, 2008 at 11:17 am

Dave – Looks like it should be clearing up right around game-time on Saturday (good thing, I’m going too), but the “strong thunderstorms” in the preceding 3 hours worry me a bit.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 11:24 am

I’m not sure why anyone would boo Grilli in particular. The comments about the clubhouse atmosphere? He was asked some questions and expressed an opinion that wasn’t exactly inflammatory on the face of it. When it became controversial, he made it clear that this had not been his intention. I don’t understand the opinion that players should “shut up” about their old teams. Speak your mind and let others speak theirs.

Grilli had some memorably bad games that obscure the memory of more that were good. It’s not like he was Jose Mesa (my hero) or anything.

Ryan P June 27, 2008 at 11:31 am

I will definitely be cheering if Grilli makes an appearance, in anticipation of the many runs the Tigers will score that inning.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 11:33 am

Well, that’s more like it.

tiff June 27, 2008 at 12:21 pm

i’ll be at the game tonight, weather permitting. I plan to cheer him if the Rockies put him in a tied game situation.

jeremy June 27, 2008 at 12:41 pm

since stats are stats, Jimenez has pitched at home his last 4 starts, where he has been really good. His away stats are awful.

T Smith June 27, 2008 at 12:49 pm

Actually, Grilli has been dominant the past few outings. Something like 1 hit over his past 25 ABs.

If he does pitch this series, let’s just hope his stats regress to their rightful mean.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 1:23 pm

I think the real irony will occur when Grilli comes into the game with a 1-run lead and runners on 2nd and 3rd and one out, and doesn’t allow run. And then retires the side in order the next two innings and we all say, “WTF Grilli?”

cib June 27, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Tiff I’ll be there too.
As for Grilli, if he does make an appearance I just hope that the reaction doesn’t put Detroit as a whole in a bad light, having no class, because that’s what the media always likes to show.
And as for his comments, they might have been inartfully stated, but hey, I think we all suspected that something was not gelling at the beginning of the season at least. Some truth in there, probably.
Let bygones be bygones and let’s concentrate on winning tonight!

cmungs June 27, 2008 at 2:48 pm

I’ll be making an appearance at Comerica as well tonight. First time back in about a month, so I’m hoping the rain holds off.

I heard someone at work mention a possible Polanco suspension for his ejection yesterday. I’m not sure I want him taking any more time off than necessary now that he has his bat going again. Anyone else hear anything?

Ryan P June 27, 2008 at 2:56 pm

Wow, the NYY/NYM doubleheader tonight is played at two different stadiums. First at Yankee, second at Shea. Weird, yet awesome.

How long have they been doing this?

Chris in Dallas June 27, 2008 at 3:06 pm

It would be weirder if one of them was at Shea and the other at Wrigley.

Dave T. June 27, 2008 at 3:07 pm

I hope Grilli strikes the first guy he faces out, then gives up a homer b/c he can only locate his fastball. Which would be pretty typical of the Grill-Master

Dylan June 27, 2008 at 3:14 pm

DRILL ME returns. WOOO. I am pumped to be headed to the game tonight. Hopefully I can see a patented Grilli home run.

Ryan June 27, 2008 at 3:25 pm

Re: Suspension

I’ve been trying to find any word on whether Polanco is to be suspended or not, and have also failed. I think it all depends on if the thrown bat and helmet are judged to have been in the direction of the umpire. I was at the game, but my view of the argument was obstructed, so I can’t say one way or the other. If it’s a really close call, I think the fact that the umpiring was genuinely bad may earn Polanco the benefit of the doubt. I also can’t seem to find any info on a possible Thames suspension. He touched the ump while arguing, and I think that’s an automatic three games. I kinda figured that was why so much effort went into not playing Thames yesterday; they are expecting a suspension and want to get it out of the way ASAP.

Chris in Dallas June 27, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Well, also weighing in each guy’s favor is that they have no track record of lunacy (see Bradley, Milton). I seriously doubt either would be suspended anyway. We would’ve already found out about it, as the league office usually issues suspensions the afternoon after the incedent.

tiff June 27, 2008 at 4:27 pm

checking the doppler, not sure if they’ll get this game in tonight!

K-man June 27, 2008 at 4:39 pm

IMO, the best thing we could do if Mr. Grilli gets to pitch would be to ignore him. Then cheer like hell when he gives up a bomb.

Dave T. June 27, 2008 at 4:42 pm

It is pretty soggy right now in Campus Martius

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Did anybody see the umpire that got suspended for bumping the manager? Talk about bizarro world, but at least it’s a consistent enforcement of the rule by MLB.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 4:47 pm

hey tiff, do you really think they won’t get the game in? it looks pretty clear to the west once the current mess moves on, and the stuff out here in Chicago won’t be there until tomorrow sometime.

I’m really hoping for baseball, I have no plans tonight and I’m looking forward to a quiet evening watching the Tigers win.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 4:50 pm

We need a contingency plan for rainouts and other such events.

In the event of a rainout, I proposes that someone with a simulated computer/video baseball game play out the scheduled game for us. We get to vote on the Tigers lineup first (but not the starting pitcher). The chosen simulator will provide play by play for us. Two advisors will be chosen to make all important game decisions for the Tigers (steal, hit and run, pull the pitcher, substitutions), and if they disagree, it is simulator’s choice.

We should do this on off days, too. In fact, let’s do it all the time. To hell with the real team. We have no voice in what they do, so why should we care?

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 4:52 pm

That’s a dangerous path you’re headed down, Sean. Come back, my man. It’s for your own good.

Chief Monday June 27, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Cubs have the bases full and 1 out. Contreras is about to crap the bed.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 4:55 pm

Just trying to help, Mark. We’ll all be so bummed if they don’t get the game in.

Chief Monday June 27, 2008 at 4:56 pm

Derek Lee bounces into another DP. White Sox up 1 – 0 still.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Or not, Chief. Lee, preparing for his future days as a Tiger, just hit into a 5-4-3 double play. Sox still lead 1-0.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 5:01 pm

I know it, Sean. But I felt I had to pull you in there. Human contact is good. Essential, even.

We all be totally bummed, but I really think they’re playing this game tonight. It might start a little late, but they’re playing.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 5:08 pm

Speaking of Derek Lee and his DP, do guys with good power who don’t strike out a lot and don’t ground into a lot of DPs even exist? Is it simply the downside of being a good line drive hitter that a lot of those would-be line drives turn into ground balls rather than fly balls?

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 5:09 pm

4-0 Sox, turns out Dempster is the one imploding. 2 on, 1 out for the Sox still in the 4th

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Sean, that’s a good question. I can’t think of anybody offhand. The hardest part is finding a power guy who doesn’t strike out much.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 5:14 pm

I caught some of the Cubs game yesterday up to the point where they were down 11-0 to the Orioles. A bit surreal.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 5:15 pm

Swisher hits a slam to officially pummel Dempster out of the game.

8-0 Sox.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 5:20 pm

The Cubs just aren’t themselves lately, I guess. Too bad the Tigers aren’t playing them. Well, we did what we could for them. They’re on their own now. And they did sweep the Sox once already. I guess there’s a limit to their charity.

Chief Monday June 27, 2008 at 5:20 pm

I jinxed the Cubs!

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Yeah, nice going, Chief. How about jinxing the Twins?

tiff June 27, 2008 at 5:30 pm

im downtown it let up raining for a little bit but now its back to looking like armageddon. Rain is supposed to be here til 8.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 5:36 pm

I like this Ubaldo Jimenez. He has a fun name. People looking for baby names should really check out MLB for candidates.

Chief Monday June 27, 2008 at 5:55 pm

The Twins will win their 10th game in a row Tonight. That’s guaransheed.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 5:57 pm

Sean…

While there are and have been some wonderful names (including Wonderful) in MLB, nothing can compete with college football. Perhaps it’s just the critical mass of players, but there have been some great ones.

My wife and I are currently looking at names, and I’m pushing hard for Craphonso or D’Brickashaw… though Eulogio is a strong contender.*

*by “strong contender,” I mean “name I enjoy making fun of”

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Ah, thanks, Chief. Why didn’t we think of this sooner?

Joel, you have a point about the NFL, but I question the authenticity of many of those NFL names. That league will do anything to improve ratings. Stolid and staid MLB, now – them’s the ones to trust. You just can’t make up names like Ubaldo and Eulogio. This has been proven with computer simulations of making up names. A SETI-like networked computer project to this effect has been going on for 7 years now. Not one Ugeth, Jair, or Gorkys has turned up.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 6:13 pm

Joel – Oh, you said college football. Yeah, I can read. Sometimes.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 6:28 pm

So, I made a flippant “cancer” comment in another thread, but what does everyone think of Shawn Chacon?

He’s a decent pitcher (though his stats this year are underwhelming) and would probably be cheap. Would he be worth signing and putting in the #5 spot in the rotation?

Pedro Martinez showed us all how important it is to have a pitcher who doesn’t mind taking down an old man…

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 6:38 pm

OK, maybe “decent” in being generous… but he’s a major league pitcher, and he might be worth a shot. Or not.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Joel – I read the story on the Chacon/Wade incident. From Chacon’s comments, I got the impression he’s a real head case, like most people with that first name in all its variations.

I agree that his stats probably would be cheap. Are the Tigers really that desperate?

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Ooh, look. A post from Title Insurance Agency. Big Tigers fan, goes way back. You can tell because he was browsing Internet.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 6:53 pm

From Beck’s blog:

TIGERS (38-40)

Granderson, CF
Polanco, 2B
Guillen, 3B
Ordonez, RF
Cabrera, 1B
Thomas, LF
Sheffield, DH
Rodriguez, C
Hollimon, SS

ROCKIES (32-47)

Willy Taveras, CF
Scott Podsednik, DH
Matt Holliday, LF
Brad Hawpe, RF
Garrett Atkins, 3B
Jeff Baker, 1B
Chris Iannetta, C
Troy Tulowitzki, SS
Clint Barmes, 2B

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 6:56 pm

I gather from his absence that Renteria must be hurting. Thames, too?

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 7:12 pm

Given that our corner infielders have played a grand total of 50 or so games combined at their respective positions, I would think the top guys in Colorado’s lineup will be bunting for a base hit at some point.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 7:13 pm

Chris, I don’t know what’s up with Renteria, but I think Thomas got the start over Thames because of the at-bats he put together yesterday.

and there’s yet another hit batter in an 0-2 count. Unreal.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Sean:

I think the good Dr. is out because Ubaldo is a righty… Clete’s been pretty good since coming back up, so why not play the platoon split?

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 7:17 pm

That’s probably the only way Tavares and Podsednik can get on. Have the Tigers faced a lineup with 2 speed guys up top who burned Guillen and Cabrera yet? Just asking – I can’t recall any games like this. Could be a new thang.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 7:19 pm

I meant Sean, not Chris. My bad.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Joel – I’m always one to prescribe the good Doctor, but I’m fine with Clete.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 7:21 pm

That’s OK, Mark. Chris was going to steal that post from me anyway.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 7:24 pm

I’m starting to like Ubaldo already…

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Magglio really scuffling right now. I can’t remember the last time he hit a ball hard.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 7:27 pm

I just got MLB.com’s gamecast to work on my work computer, and I discovered “light 3D” mode. It features a batter who looks like one of the hockey players in Strange Brew.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Cabrera drives in a run, making it 2-0. It was only a single, though, because he sucks and doesn’t care about winning.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Jiminez is having the kind of inning Tigers starters were having earlier in the year.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 7:30 pm

Jimenez has a fun fastball. You just don’t know where it’s gonna go!

Forty June 27, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Let’s bust it open!

Anne June 27, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Hey Joel, how about “Tshiminga Biakabutuka”? Played for Michigan some time back. People gave up trying to pronounce either of his names and called him “Touchdown Tim”.

Ryan June 27, 2008 at 7:35 pm

40 pitch first! Anyone else catching the distinct whiff of Grilli time?

Forty June 27, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Cheeseman time!

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Mark, Dave:

It’s Ubaldo. There is no Jimenez here.

Anne:

That is a great one…

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Hey! I can’t believe Gameday works with dial-up – first time I tried it, just for the hell of it. first inning ended about a minute ago – how far behind am I?

Anne June 27, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Two runs in the 1st inning? I guess that’s better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. :)

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 7:41 pm

I was hoping Pudge could manage a DP even with two outs…

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 7:42 pm

I love the NL.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 7:43 pm

Half an inning behind, you are, Sean.

Brian P June 27, 2008 at 7:46 pm

Curtis Granderson is back, ladies and gentlemen. One out, standup triple.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 7:46 pm

‘Half an inning behind, you are, Sean”

Thank you, Future Man Dave. Keep the details coming in case I get impatient with Gameday and want to peek into the days of future past.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 7:48 pm

Once again! Man on third, less than two outs… no runs.

Ryan June 27, 2008 at 7:48 pm

Feel like I oughta throw in James’On Curry and Longar Longar. But yeah, nothing beats Craphonso. Nothing says “you mean the rhythm method doesn’t work?” quite like Craphonso. I feel like names like Jair and Ubaldo and Ugueth are probably semi-normal names somewhere. Craphonso is not.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Into the third, 2-0 Tigers. FSN showed a clip of Granderson in slow motion and Mario slowed down his voice to match. You guys out of state just don’t know what you’re missing.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:02 pm

I hate the way Gameday tells me it’s an out before I know what the play is. Except when the Rockies are up.

The players look like sailors moonlighting as motorcycle cops.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Pudge singles in Cabrera. 3-0. Seven Tigers hits, and U-Ball is up to 76 pitches.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Nice work, Pudge…

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Man, just to point out stuff that happened a while ago, that’s twice that Polanco failed to get the job done tonight. Failed to advance Granderson in the first inning and failed to score him in the second. That’s surprising, usually he’s omney in those spots.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Pudge redeems himself. Ordonez and Sheffield have until the end of the game to do so.

Ubaldo is at 307 pitches through 3. Hammer time.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Bonine’s curve fantastic today

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Omney. i like that, Mark. May i use it?

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Bovine, settin’ ‘em up and knockin’ them down.

Ryan June 27, 2008 at 8:17 pm

C’mon, Sean! After the last two days, doesn’t Sheff have a pass?

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Ground Ball Eddie! Man oh man. Sweet.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Passes are only good between games, Ryan. In game – zero recall, what have you done for me lately, as in the last at bat.

West Coast Tiger June 27, 2008 at 8:20 pm

Tigers who who GIDP

Granderson 1
Polanco 7
Guillen 6
Ordonez 12
Cabrera 7
Sheffield 9
Renteria 10
Inge 1
Thames 1

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:20 pm

Omney is all yours, Sean.

Dyslexic not am I.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Ohhh weee oh. Magglio!

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 8:25 pm

Ordonez with an RBI single. Does he get a pass now? And if so, for how long?

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:26 pm

4 innings in a row with man on 3rd. Pretty cool.

Ordonez is off the hook with RBI single.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Ordonez has a permanent free pass for agreeing to come to detroit when we weren’t good, for the 2007 batting title, and for sending us to the series

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm

Cabrera can’t buy a hit. Out of baseball by the break, more’n likely.

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 8:29 pm

West Coast – you left off Pudge and his 8…

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:31 pm

What a crappy way to lose your no no

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:31 pm

I heard they were planning to release Cabrera after this inning…

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

If he walks a .151 batter to load the bases…

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Do we dfa cabrera or try and trade him from more of a position of strength? He’s clearly finished.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm

Yeah eddie. Since we call him bovine and o’s look like zeroes, can I mooooooooooo whenever he throws up a 0?

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:36 pm

If we can just keep calling up kids from Toledo and Erie, we may not lose another series the rest of the year!

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Nice, Bonine! I’m sorry I ever doubted you.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 8:36 pm

Are you kidding? No team would take Cabrera now that he’s been EXPOSED. We probably couldn’t even convince the Rockies to take him for Grilli.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Wow. Coming back from 3-0 to get the inning-ending DP is way cool. No matter who’s up. Who does this guy think he is, Kenny Rogers or Todd Jones?

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Clete doubles. He is unstoppable.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Oh man, don’t tease me Dave. Cabrera for Grilli would be sah-weet.

No way the Rockies would do that.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Hollimon, slightly more stoppable at the plate. But at least he can field. That bum we got at first can’t do either.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:42 pm

I was really starting to believe in the Thomas-Sheffield clutch duo. That was a painful inning for me.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:43 pm

on Beck’s blog he says that after the game the Tigers are planning ro release Cabrera and then take him out to old Tigers Stadium and shoot him.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:46 pm

Eddie *IS* the cruiser. Mowin’ ‘em down…

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:47 pm

I am absolutely in love with these 3-groundout innings. Moooooo is good, Forty. Could be the start that establishes Mr. Bonine.

Ryan June 27, 2008 at 8:48 pm

If Hollimon can ever figure out this “hitting the ball” thing, I wouldn’t mind watching Guillen-Hollimon-Polanco-Cabrera in the infield for a couple years.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:49 pm

Curtis, despite missing the first couple weeks of the season, still almost has all-star cailber numbers. He HAS to get consideration.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:53 pm

Man, we can turn 1st and 3rd, 0 outs into the end of the inning in record time. 2 pitches.

At least we got a run out of it, but jeeeez.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:53 pm

I like curtis better than whitaker, he’s my tiger!

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 8:55 pm

I think we’re looking at the 1000-run Tigers here. At last. They keep coming at ya! Most unusual, most welcome. Usually it’s a big inning or 2, then sleep. Not lately, not tonight, except for that Cabrera bum and his DFA pal Gary..

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 8:55 pm

I like ‘em all, Forty.

except for Cabrera. He sucks.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:56 pm

Amen mike

Forty June 27, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Coulda gotten a k on 0-2, instead a double :(

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:05 pm

You Future People would already know, but I’m guessing that Eddie’s done for the day? Great job. Wow.

Gameday is so cool. I feel sorry for you people who have to attend the games or watch on TV. Too bad.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:13 pm

After that 7th inning K, let me be the first to question Sheff’s health. I think it’s time for Larish and his more interesting helmet at DH again, except that he’s already coming up to replace Cabrera tomorrow. What to do?

Thomas IS unstoppable. Hey, HE can be the DH, which will get my boy Marcus back in.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:15 pm

Eddie!

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Was that 3 pitch K on Barmes as good as it looked from here? Man. Eddie!

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Is it early to be talking cy young for bonine? Let bg have roy.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:18 pm

I hate it when the Rockies waste my time with their pathetic hits.

Adam June 27, 2008 at 9:21 pm

OH MY GOD! THE METS HAD A FIVE-CYCLE TODAY!

In case anyone doesn’t know what it is, it’s basically one of the rarest things in Baseball. To do it, you have to score 15 runs (and only 15). You have to score 1,2,3,4, and 5 runs in separate innings. The rarest of these is a Five-Cycle in Natural Order.

The Mets almost did it, but instead scored their runs like this: 1,2,3,5,4. Still, it’s freaking awesome.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:22 pm

2 out SB by Tavares, next pitch on 3-1 count, out by Podsednik, Something very satisfying about that sequence.

Adam June 27, 2008 at 9:24 pm

Wow, what a funny triple!

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:24 pm

How much do u love hollimon not lollygagging it!

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:24 pm

If they put 15 on the Yankees, that’s even better still. Hate those guys.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Two standup triples for grandy? I’m hyperventilating!

Adam June 27, 2008 at 9:25 pm

WHAT AN AWESOME TRIPLE! Man, did you see how fast he was going around second? Holy crap.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 9:25 pm

It is so fun watching Granderson play this game. Man I love it.

Adam June 27, 2008 at 9:27 pm

Rod Allen and his mute points.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 9:28 pm

no kidding, Adam. Where’s my mute button?

Joel in Seattle June 27, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Is Hawpe really crappy in right, or were the two 3Bs in a row a coincidence?

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Lol hit it to right, hawpe’s a clown

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Maggs’s last AB in the 8th looked like real good pitching by Vizcaino.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Now entering the zumaya zone

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:37 pm

A bit more old Zumaya, please. I’m not liking this (post-wild pitch).

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Joel must think it’s the world series with that throw to first

Adam June 27, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Strands him like a champ.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Tigers win! 7-1

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Terrific all-around ballgame, great win! Nice to win the first game of the series for the first time in a while. Let’s hope Verlander keeps his good streak going tomorrow.

Adam June 27, 2008 at 9:41 pm

Brewers lead Minny 6-3.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:41 pm

I think I’d like to see a first pitch strike once in a while from Zumaya, but he got it done.

We must agree on Cabrera and Sheffield, but is anyone else headed for DFA postgame?

Adam June 27, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Looks like every other AL Central team might win again tonight. Maybe not Minny.

I hate that when we’re going good, it seems like we’re never able to pick up ground or push other teams back.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Twins down 6-3 to the Brewers in the 5th.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:44 pm

Mark, you might be real close on June. What’s the optimum outcome, 17-9 now? Calling a game or an AB is one thing – getting that close on an entire month…. you might be elected psychic in residence for the entire month of July.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 9:45 pm

This was the shortest Tigers game in seemingly ages

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:46 pm

“I hate that when we’re going good, it seems like we’re never able to pick up ground or push other teams back.”

Hey, it’s only late June, Adam. Bit premature for the standings watch. Let’s get to .500 and beyond first.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Very nice outing by Bonine. I didn’t expect anything like this, to be honest.

I love the way the offense kept coming. I guess I have to let them off the hook for early opportunities to tack on another 4 or so.

Does anyone else have the strange feeling that 2 triples in a row is somehow wrong? Same with a triple and then a HR. It’s like, OK, first you’re supposed to drive in the guy on 3rd with a single, and THEN get your 2nd triple or HR. I feel cheated somehow. But both guys on 3rd got in – how sweet was that?

Forty June 27, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Yeah, the beauty of a division race is we’ll get plenty of chances to give them losses ourselves. And we need to win 90+ to make the playoffs, so let’s just focus on continuing to win.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 9:57 pm

I’m pretty sure the Twins aren’t going to see the same Tigers team they saw last time. It’s a whole new ballgame. I’m even anxious for the next Royals series.

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 9:58 pm

“Strikes Bovine” for Cy Young!

Dave BW June 27, 2008 at 10:01 pm

39 and 40… so close to the .500 chimera.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Well Sean, I still have a couple days left, but I feel good about the way they are playing. That’s all I really care about. I remember saying a few days ago that they needed a 12-4 stretch to finish the month to get to .500 and I was fairly skeptical about it. Yet here they are, with a shot to finish there if they go 2-1.

Amazing.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Oh, and thanks to all who suggested I try Gameday and put up with my blah-blah-blah “can’t do it ’cause of dial-up.” Worked fine, a major advance in potential enjoyment of Tigers games. Of course, the Tigers have to win these games, or else Gameday sucks.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 10:11 pm

Mark, I really thought it was going to be a slow crawl to .500, well after the break. May left me so pessimistic. So much was wrong. Things seem to be coming together for the Tigers now in a way fairly analogous to the improbable wrongness of April-May.

Now about that bullpen…

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 10:14 pm

““Strikes Bovine” for Cy Young”

No kidding. I expected no more than a serviceable performance, 4-5 runs, hoping the bats would again carry the day. It was all there tonight.

Ethan June 27, 2008 at 10:35 pm

JAIR JURRJENS: 8IP 3H 0R

Gorkys is going to the all-star futures game, but even without that, Great trade. I’m betting Jair would be looking pretty good in a Tigers uniform right now.

Never, never trade with the Braves ever again.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 10:37 pm

billfer – Nate Robertson’s line drive rate isn’t significantly higher than it has been in years past. In fact, it’s actually lower than in 2006 when he posted what would be considered his best season (19.4% in ‘08 vs. 20.0% in ‘06). He’s really right in line with his career norm as far as that goes. His main problem would seem to be that his GB rate has plummeted from 46.7% in ‘06 to 41.0% this year. You would think that would lead to a spike in his HR/FB rate, but it’s the opposite (13.2% of his FB were HR in ‘06 vs. 9.6% this year). Again, I have no idea what to make of Robertson other than the fact he’s unlucky a lot with the .340 BABiP.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Yeah but dave’s done a lot more good than bad in his tenure

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Not the Renteria trade again. It’s done. The Tigers don’t need Jair, they don’t need Gorkys. They needed a SS and got pretty much what they bargained for. If Renteria disappoints a little too often… well, unless Jair can play SS, he’s irrelevant as far as that goes.

Adam June 27, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Yep. All Central teams won.

I know, I know. But it would be nice to gain some ground too.

Sean C. in Illinois June 27, 2008 at 11:09 pm

The Twins won again? Well, that does stink. But there’s something to be said for holding ground. And there’s payback to deal out later with certain teams in the division.

Mark in Chicago June 27, 2008 at 11:22 pm

Sean,

Revisiting the Renteria trade will never die. Just accept it, ignore it, and move on.

I’m seriously considering writing out a detailed defense of the trade in word and just cutting and pasting in here every time somebody brings it up.

Forty June 27, 2008 at 11:24 pm

I think there are two parts to every trade: need and valuation. Clearly we got the need right. Valuation just seems skewed to atl’s benefit…I have no issues with edgar, just that we gave too much up.

judpma June 28, 2008 at 1:06 am

wasn’t able to type with you guys tonight //just want to add about the Atlanta trade…if it wasn’t made..maybe no Gallaraga,, maybe no Bonine….maybe no Thomas…would there be a guarantee that JJ and Gorky would have contributed more than Battlestar and Thomas…….who is to say JJ would not be 4-5 with the Tigers….

..I agree with let it die…move on to tomorrow..cause tomorrow could bring us something we didn’t think would happen for quite awhile yet,that elusive .500…one game at a time

West Coast Tiger June 28, 2008 at 3:07 am

Amen to letting the hashing and rehashing of the Trade for Edgar die.

I like Mark’s solution.

ron June 28, 2008 at 9:55 am

Anne, pronouncing Touchdown Tim’s name is one thing, but spelling it correctly is another. I’ll bet you graduated from U of M.

Deaner June 28, 2008 at 9:58 am

Just like Grandy going from first to third, this hitting streak is a beautiful thing!

ron June 28, 2008 at 10:08 am

The Central Division has been lagging all year and now they’re coming back to the pack. I see the wild card coming out of our division now. The Yankees can’t hang with their pitching.

Teymour June 28, 2008 at 10:13 am

If we wouldn’t have made that trade, JJ would have been included in the Miggy and D-Train trade. They obviously asked for our best 5 prospects, JJ would have been third.

ron June 28, 2008 at 10:18 am

Is it true that Inge aggravated his injury by bending over his baby’s crib and changing his/her diaper or something like that?

ron June 28, 2008 at 10:24 am

Obviously, we are systematically moving around the bases backwards to trash our team. Last year it was Inge, this year Edgar and Polly next year.

Vince in MN June 28, 2008 at 10:48 am

I am guardedly optimistic, but the real test will come next week when they start playing MLB teams again. Over the last ten games (and I’m pretty sure beyond, but am too lazy to check) exactly 2 AL teams have losing records (CLE, TOR). The Royals (9-1!) and Twins! (10-0!) have the best records in baseball over that time.

Like bilfer, I still see some missed opportunities with the offense, and not only in last night’s game. They have been getting some officiating breaks of the type that were going the other way earlier in the season. And, for me anyway, the jury is still out with the bullpen, although the rotation appears to have come together even with the loss of Bonderman.

Fortunately Leyland hasn’t been much of a negative factor, but how much can a manager screw up when playing AAAA opposition?

vtfanmv5 June 28, 2008 at 11:09 am

I still can’t believe how quick Grandy raised his average. Just a few weeks ago…struggling around .230…and now nearly .300! Don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone pull it up that fast.

David G. June 28, 2008 at 11:59 am

Ron, I guess you don’t believe in the Rays? They are still well up on even the Twins for the WC if they don’t win the AL East.

I am going to the Saturday and Sunday games in Baltimore 3 weeks from today. And I sure I hope I see a Granderson triple. And since I am staying in the same hotel as the team, I hope I see him in person as well.

West Coast Tiger June 28, 2008 at 1:44 pm

I saw the MLB power rankings and they have the Twins 3rd and the Tigers 16th. I will have to research how they come up with that.

West Coast Tiger June 28, 2008 at 1:47 pm

David C.

How do you know in what hotel they are staying? My kid wanted to go when they were in town the las couple of weeks and I didn’t research it in time.

ron June 28, 2008 at 1:59 pm

I believe in the Rays. I don’t believe in the Red Sox.

ron June 28, 2008 at 2:05 pm

David G. park yoursef outside the elevators. The Orioles ain’t gonna be no pushover either.

Chief Monday June 28, 2008 at 2:47 pm

IMO, JJ is probably the best thing to leave the Tigers since Jeff Weaver. Weaver had a better track record and was even a better pitcher than JJ though.

tiff June 28, 2008 at 4:34 pm

great game, kind of quiet crowd, but the game went by so fast and there was rarely any drama there wasn’t anything to get too riled up about I guess. Grandy running to third is a beautiful thing, and LOVED the back to back triples, mostly because Hollimon got denied his other triple with the Cardinals and because it would’ve been a double but the guy lost the ball for a second and he straight hustled.

We were a little bummed about Magglio dropping the ball for Bonine’s no-no, but it was still a nicely pitched game. No walks!

Very funny about DFA Cabrera. If we’re still speaking in opposites.

T Smith June 28, 2008 at 6:18 pm

Obviously, we are systematically moving around the bases backwards to trash our team. Last year it was Inge, this year Edgar and Polly next year.

I will never trash talk Polly. I don’t care what kind of slump he goes in. Make fun of his head size, yes. Trash talk, no. He’s just that good.

Also, Sheff has a lot of good will deposited in the bank right now. He single-handedly won at least one, and probably two games for the Tigers against the Redbirds. That’s a lot of pop-ups and GIDP he has to withdrawal, folks, before you hear this fan grumbling.

I’m also an equal opportunity complainer. Once Renteria or Inge (more so Renteria — I really have no gripe with Inge these days) carry the team on their backs a couple games, a la Gary Sheffield, I’ll lay off them, too. Hasn’t happened. Renteria has done nothing but hurt the team (which has nothing to do with the JJ trade. I evaluate Renteria based on his play — not on the trade/cost). Holliman made at least two plays last night Renteria doesn’t make. I think the Tigers are a better team with Holliman at SS.

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